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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Sabre on May 04, 2005, 02:27:54 PM
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This will be a (nearly) pure Russian-vs-German set up. Set up was designed for balance, and not necessarily to accurately portray an exact time period.
Terrain: Baltic Map
Radar: CT standard
Downtimes: Ack/radar/fuel/ammo/troops 30 minutes; hangers 15 min; town 45 min
Capture Requirement: 20 troops.
Plane Set:
Russian (Bishop) –
La-5, Yak-9T, P-40E (lend-lease, and besides, I like it:D), Boston-III, A-20, IL-2, C-47, all the M-s, T-34.
Germany (Knights) –
109F, 109G-2, 190A-5, 190F-8, 110G-2, Ju57, Ju88, C-47, all the M-s, Pnzr-IV, Tiger (limited bases).
Notes:
I’ll include PT boats where there are nearby waterways that support them. I'll only have about a half dozen bases on each side with a/c or vehicles available. All other bases will be long to the Rooks (neutral), and have nothing available except ground guns available to anyone. Capture them if you wish (but not the last two, as it will reset and pork the arena), but be advised that the only good it will do is for landing and refuel/re-arming.
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I'm not familiar with the Ju57 is it a newly modeled fighter? :D you are missing the FW190 A8.
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Originally posted by storch
I'm not familiar with the Ju57 is it a newly modeled fighter? :D you are missing the FW190 A8.
(http://www.azhacker.com/images/Ju57.jpg)
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Doh! I meant the Stuka. As for the 190A-8, I thought about putting it in, but thought it would be too much for the Russian planes to handle. I'm willing to listen to any reasonable arguments to the contrary, however.
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Yay!!
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going to be wall to wall La5's vs...well nobody.
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Originally posted by Sabre
I'm willing to listen to any reasonable arguments to the contrary, however.
Oh jeez this is gonna hurt.:D
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Originally posted by Schaden
going to be wall to wall La5's vs...well nobody.
I'm not afraid of LA5's, bring 'em on!
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Originally posted by Schaden
going to be wall to wall La5's vs...well nobody.
Pfffft. Right. The Yak is far more dangerous than a La-5. The La-5 driver has 3 opportunities. One for a HO attepmt. One to cherry pick someone else as he runs away from the missed HO. And one to kiss his butt goodbye if the 109 catches him before he can get back to his buddies or the ack.
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La5 pwns everything in the LW set. Not everyone runs with it. :)
The A-5 is clearly superior to the A-8 in flight performance, and the 110G-2 has better guns, but I dont see any reason to leave the A-8 out if the LW guys want it.
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actually I was going to suggest (at the risk of derision from the ackllieds) to add the G6 for a better speed balance. this seems to be a '43 set up and the G6 was a 1943 aircraft. if you wanted to the A8 could also be shoe horned in. we have nothing that will catch the La5 in your currently planned set up so it would be another week of chasing ackllieds. that's why I didn't play this week at all, I'm tired of running after fights all the time.
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A-8 could well be in or out depending on the time frame but 109G-6 was on the Eastern front already before the first LA-5FNs so it should be in the set IMO. It arrived to the units in the early '43.
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109G-2 is faster than the G-6 Storch, its only a few MPH but its faster. If you want a speedier plane the F-8/A-8 is the next fastest LW plane after the D-9, and the F-8 is already in there. I dont care one way or the other, just saying...
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If you're going to include lend lease; where's the spits and Hurris??
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Originally posted by Seeker
If you're going to include lend lease; where's the spits and Hurris??
relegated to the training bases due to obsolence.
:D
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include G6 and everyone fly high LW rides against 3-4 vulchees in La5 (I can think of one really big group in particular;)
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Good setup, Sabre. Don't change a thing....well, maybe get rid of that Ju57.....:p
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T-34 is incapable of stopping a Tiger and nearly so of the Panzer.
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Karnak, I've got mixed feelings regarding the tanks selected. The Tiger is indeed tough to handle, and I plan to ask Skuzzy to perk it. It does in deed take a number of T-34's to stop a Tiger, but the same can be said for the Pnzr-IV. It was not uncommon for a Tiger to have a 6 or 7 to 1 kill ratio against T-34's. If the Tiger becomes too much of a problem in the set up, I'll restric it further or simply take it out. In the mean time, I'll try to place it at a base where it can only be used defensively, for all practical purposes. As for the T-34 vs. the Pnzr-IV, the T-34 has an edge in first-shot survivability against the IV, but the IV usually gets in two shots for every one of the T-34's. Pretty much a wash there as far as I can see.
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Mmm ... and use Tempests to simulate P-39s.
(KIDDING ... but, actually, there oughta be something to simulate P-39s ... except perhaps the P-39 is one of the most unsimulatable?)
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Fly the yakasaurus at 75% throttle and imagine your in a cobra...
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Sabre,
I mean that the T-34, as modeled in AH, cannot kill a Tiger. It is physically impossible for it to do so.
Take a T-34 offline and go hammer on the Tiger drone. Any angle, any range.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Sabre,
I mean that the T-34, as modeled in AH, cannot kill a Tiger. It is physically impossible for it to do so.
Take a T-34 offline and go hammer on the Tiger drone. Any angle, any range.
tour 63-- ma stats
T-34 has 13 Kills of Tiger I
Tiger I has 1753 Kills of T-34
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Originally posted by soda72
tour 63-- ma stats
T-34 has 13 Kills of Tiger I
Tiger I has 1753 Kills of T-34
see there, you CAN kill tigers with a T34!!! why are you ackllieds whining so much?
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Karnak... if you would just learn how to fly this wouldn't be an issue, you stay outa GV's and I'll stay out of a Tiger... problem solved, have a nice day!
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You can knock out the tracks on a Tiger, and get the kill when he towers. Thats about it.
I agree on the G-6. I'd rather have it any day than the G-2. I dont care which one is faster, the G-6 is much more survivable. It matches up well with the firepower on the Laffer. Those peashooters on the G-2, along with the horrible ballistics means you spend your entire fight dodging HO attempts and doing nothing but scratching the other guy's paint (if you even hit him).
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Keep it as is, I'll take a G-2 over a G-6 any day of the week unless they unpork the 30mm...
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Originally posted by Karnak
Sabre,
I mean that the T-34, as modeled in AH, cannot kill a Tiger. It is physically impossible for it to do so.
Take a T-34 offline and go hammer on the Tiger drone. Any angle, any range.
yep
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I have tried the experiment off-line, and was able to first wond the Tiger, then kill it. Yes, it took quite a few shots, but event the drone T-34 took a number of shots to kill. I'm not sure the off-line tank drones have the same toughness as the actual on-line tanks. After all, the off-line drone planes don't use the real damage model either, at least as I understand it. In any event, Tigers will only be enabled at 2 bases, and those two don't have remote spawn points, i.e. they're completely defensive.
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Originally posted by Karnak
Sabre,
I mean that the T-34, as modeled in AH, cannot kill a Tiger. It is physically impossible for it to do so.
Take a T-34 offline and go hammer on the Tiger drone. Any angle, any range.
I even tried parking a T34 with its muzzle INSIDE the tiger and shooting, no kill. The M-8 could kill a tiger that way though.
eskimo
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Dude, watch where you're sticking that muzzle! There are laws against that kind of deviant behavior!:eek: