Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: texace on March 03, 2001, 03:59:00 PM
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With the Open Beta release of "Vaporbirds III" around the corner (or so they say) and with WWII Online soon...where will y'all go?
Do you stay with HTC cause of the advancments and good customer support with stable connex?
Do you hop over to Brand-WIII with grapics that won't run well on a crappy machine (anything less that 750MHz) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
Do you wander to WWII Online with it's 1000 player ultra-arena listening to a 6 year old whose got more rank than you?
Where will you go?
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
<toung in cheek>
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Lt. Col. Aaron "txace-" Giles of the 457th BG
"Fait Accompli"
In arena: semperfi
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Depends on who models the P-38 better/has competitive price (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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I'm interested in seeing WB III. I'd be lying to say I'm not. The graphics on some of the planes is fantastic. I'm pretty sure it'll be the same in regard to gameplay, MG will still be there and the customer service rep of iEN and crew will be the same - painful. I don't see see no real pluses that would effect a change on my part.
Here? I like feeling like I'm treated with respect, frequent news reports that aren't a cut and paste wack up, constant updates to the game, extremely fast reactions to bugs and an infinitely better customer relations from all 6 of the HTC folks than I've ever seen from iEN or Kesmai.
Like someone else said, "It's the same gal! Only new make up."
And WWII Online (or event Target Korea) I can swing in addition to AH. Only if I found the gameplay so riveting that I rarely flew here would I consider cancelling AH. But from reading the boards there lately, my expectations have dropped - considerably. And if I can't enjoy myself on the community boards then half the fun is gone for me. To be truthfull, at times the boards here make me just as fed up as well.
-Westy
[This message has been edited by Westy (edited 03-03-2001).]
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if AH would embrace the new faster systems with updated damage modeling insted of languishing just so that 500 celeron folks cann play i dont see how ANY of the others can contend.. AH needs some more graphical options, it only has 2, and thats REALLY holding back the potental for the REAL eyecandy that the others boast about.
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crap, doubleposters anon.
[This message has been edited by TheWobble (edited 03-03-2001).]
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Good questions Texace. I'll definitely be having a look at WBIII when it comes out, but my preferences definitely lie towards the 'WW2OL/Target Korea' type simulations.
I've been flying MMOG flight sims for over 10 years now, starting with AW Dos.
10 years, and we still have the same old, same old, arena-style play. 10 years and we still have the same discussions about icons. 10 years and we still cannot get the pilot adequately modelled WRT fatigue, G-endurance etc.
WB and Aces High are really just AW-Dos with prettier dresses (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
And you know how it goes .... you can put a nice dress on a dog, but it's still a dog (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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When I was a child, I spake as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things.
Chapter 13, verse 11
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I don't know. Actually, I'll probably take the plunge to being a 30-bucks-a-month guy here pretty quick in AH.
After that, I definitely won't have the money to branch out. And actually, I only have time for one sim really.
I'm impressed by AH's online smoothness. I'll give up a little eye candy for good FR's and smooth online play any day of the week. And since a lot of folks out there who are good flyers don't have 1+ Ghz machines yet, I think that's not that bad of a deal.
I also like the attitude of almost everyone I've met so far in AH. Seems like a good community.
I know WarBirds has some good folks too, but I like the ongoing innovations provided by the HiTech team, and think they're definitely going in the direction I want to go with an online pay-per-month sim.
Just me two cents.
Mk
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If it works better and is competatively priced and allows a more historical online matchups....where ever.
I believe I will be here for awhile.
The WWII Online concept of starting near the beginning of the war appeals to me but I really think they have bitten off more than they can handle.
WBIII, if it ever happens and based on the problems many have with the service hardly seems worth the switch.
The only thing on the horizon that will surely drag me off AH is IL2 and then only if the advertised online options work well and we all know how well boxed sims play online.
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When did they put this thing in here and WTF is it for?
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I anticipate having both a WWIIonline and Aces High account.
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We few, we happy few, we band of brothers;
For he to-day that sheds his blood with me
Shall be my brother
Bring the Spitfire F.MkXIVc to Aces High!!!
Sisu
-Karnak
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[This message has been edited by Jekyll (edited 03-03-2001).]
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if AH would embrace the new faster systems with updated damage modeling insted of languishing just so that 500 celeron folks cann play i dont see how ANY of the others can contend.. AH needs some more graphical options, it only has 2, and thats REALLY holding back the potental for the REAL eyecandy that the others boast about.
As a subscriber since tour 2 and a "500 Celeron folk" I say kiss my bellybutton wobble!! There are just as many of us "slow" users as there are "mini crays" and thankfully HTC knows this.
As a matter of fact they themselves use slow machines. I agree that this game can go much farther, but I don't think that it should be at the expense of my subscription.
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P2 300 here and AH runs quite smooth.. 21fps all the time except when smoke or insane fleet tracer fire around.
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Well ill be here for awhile i beleave yes ill ck out the ww2 one and i will fly in targetware got to fly the F86 N Mig ..as for WB iv just abought tiered of the all the problums there , ill try n wait for WB 3 BUT ITS GETING harder by the day if it wernt for our SQ there id be gone by now ..just the way i feel (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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DRILL
CO 457TH
[This message has been edited by DRILL (edited 03-03-2001).]
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As a subscriber since tour 2 and a "500 Celeron folk" I say kiss my bellybutton wobble!! There are just as many of us "slow" users as there are "mini crays" and thankfully HTC knows this.
As a matter of fact they themselves use slow machines. I agree that this game can go much farther, but I don't think that it should be at the expense of my subscription
Well kiss my bellybutton too skernsk, i dont want the minimum requirements moved up, i just want there to be OPTIONS so that the faster machines can have all the really cool stuff they can handle and the "slow" users can still have fun. Notice how EVERY SINGLE other game out there has tons of options such as LEVEL OF DETAIL, SMOKE DENSITY...and so on and so on. I dont want to raise the min-req, i just want more graphical bliss for those who can handle it. I.E. how about some damage modeling on the ships, i for one think its silly to have ABSOLUTLY NO damage visable on ships, they are either perfect or they are sinking, same thing with structures, there is no such as a "damaged" building or ship in this game. why not make it so that a person can turn on options like
"SHOW BUILDING DAMAGE"
"SMOKE DENSITY LEVEL"
"SHOW SHIP DAMAGE"
"SHOW DEBIRS"......etc
if you have a fast machine you can crank up the options, if you are on a slower machine you can tune it down (to the way it is now)
Having ONLY 2 settings for EVERYBODY to configure their machines to is REALLY holding the potental of this game back IMO.
[This message has been edited by TheWobble (edited 03-04-2001).]
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I can afford them all, but I do not have time for all. I will play the ones which are fun. Frequent historical scenarios, realistic flight models, and a competitive jug will endear any new sim to me. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Right now AH has 2 out of 3, and that's more than anybody else has got. WB has 1 of 3, but the scenarios keep me hanging on, along with the promise of WB3. Everything else is vaporware. Of all the vapor stuff, targetware I think has most potential.
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don't plan on going anywhere. AH will be hard to beat..
Eagler
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Good point about time being the most inmportant factor for some. That definately applies to me.
AH/WB's about the same price: $25/30. Target Korea/WWII Online the same too: $10/mo. So I could do AH _or_ WB and both the others with which ever one. Price is not an issue at this point. Time is. Where I enjoy myself the most is where I would spend any money - regardless if it is $30 or $10 each month. I would surprise myself now if I actually subscribed to two of them at once. Will have to see.
-Westy
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Ien wont get one red cent from me anymore, no matter how good wb3 is. I doubt ill even try it.
How anyone can say they'll go here or there without even seeing the product yet is kind of silly imo.
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if AH would embrace the new faster systems with updated damage modeling insted of languishing just so that 500 celeron folks cann play
Well wobble the top quote is from your original post and I reread it. Not once does it mention "options". You make a better argument in your second post, but I still think my response WAS justified.
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Damnit Wobble stop trying to hijack my thread! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Lt. Col. Aaron "txace-" Giles of the 457th BG
"Fait Accompli"
In arena: semperfi
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Well wobble the top quote is from your original post and I reread it. Not once does it mention "options". You make a better argument in your second post, but I still think my response WAS justified
if AH would embrace the new faster systems with updated damage modeling insted of languishing just so that 500 celeron folks cann play i dont see how ANY of the others can contend.. AH needs some more graphical options, it only has 2, and thats REALLY holding back the potental for the REAL eyecandy that the others boast about
hey guess what smart guy..half the post is about OPTIONS.
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Speculating on sims, that have never been load tested, is a waste of time. They may make it, or maybe not. Or not as advertised. Still, with the upcoming six call mouse click, any plans I had for going back into the MA go down the tube. I like to fly alone. The thing that set AH apart was, with the big guns, you could hold your own in a gang bang. Instant 6 calls will counteract this totally.
So, I'm hopeing TK makes it online. Only time will tell.
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The biggest thing to me is if it FEELS right..its hard to explain but go fly Janes ww2 fighters then fly AH, aside from the awful FM janes just doesent feel like yer flying..you get no sense of speed like you do in ah..its a hard thing to describe and a harder thing to get right, but AH hit it right on the head.
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....I'm gonna try everything and then pick one. I have a feeling AH is where I'll stay though. I'm also very interested in seeing AW4 if it they ever decide to publish anything about it.
Swamp
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AW4 is being worked on. Kesmai is being pretty vague with details--probably because at this stage there aren't many details--but it IS being worked on.
I expect to see this game before the end of the year. They may well have a working version in time for the AW CON in August.
Having a GFX engine already done speeds up the programming process (they're using the engine they made for AW:Vietnam, which was cancelled) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
At least, that's my understanding.
J_A_B
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AW4 is being worked on. Kesmai is being pretty vague with details--probably because at this stage there aren't many details--but it IS being worked on.
LOL! Vague isn't the word. Try transparant. Nothing there yet. Let's be truhtful, there's not been a single nothing released about it at all. Name a feature. Name one plane. Will it have start? Ground war? Naval? Clouds?
They have been at this same stage of secrecy for well over two years. Always almost "ready to release news real SOON!" "We can't say anything yet cause things are constantly changing." "Don't want to let the competition know what we have up our sleeves" "I saw it and it's going to rock!" "I'm building this the right way!"
Seesh. Literally the same crap was said over two years ago. Are that naive? Got anything NEW? BTW, were's Mage? Over a year ago he was all bubbly like a six year old getting his first bike because of what he said he saw coming then.
I expect to see this game before the end of the year. They may well have a working version in time for the AW CON in August.
snork. The attendees at the last two CONS thought so also. <S> power to ya if you 'believe.'
Having a GFX engine already done speeds up the programming process (they're using the engine they made for AW:Vietnam, which was cancelled)
Ok. Look at this a little deeper? GFX eng from a game cancelled a year ago when the GFX engione was over a year old then. So when this is finally released at the end of the year (keep wishing!) you'll have a three year old graphics engine in a new game? Wow <eye roll> can't wait.
-Westy
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A post from iEN concerning the 'closed beta':
Requiring an active Warbirds or Dawn of Aces account WILL cut down on the "The paratroopers don't have sniper rifles! This sucks!" type feedback which we really don't need. A completely open beta too early would just generate too much feedback from Quake players about all the "missing" FPS elements, which of course shouldn't be there at all .
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Chris "VOR" Babcock
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and, another classic from Lizking aka Gadfly here on AH BBS:
Or use AH's model and don't have open beta versions, just force-load it and then pump out 5 or 6 revisions real quick.
Interesting how they think that any comments from the flight sim community outside subscribers are automatically deemed "Quakers" and stero-typed as those who would rant about Para's not having guns....this is one reason alone why I'll never download this product.
I will be with Il-2 and WW2 online, but with iEN's attitude...nope, not WB3's for me!
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I saw that. Shook my head at the arrogant smugness and shallow display of sel-importance they give themselves. Then again, given the track record (iEN) relations has towards customers why would it be any better for potential customers.
Fact is any Zone cretin can pay $10 mo and beta test it There's the laugh.
I think thier open beta is coming out ealry to help retain the many disgruntled people who have been waiting for over two years for WB III but no have to put up with a horrendous situation effecting their online connection performance.
Many screen shots are being held up high by the AGW lemming trying to spur on high prasie and adoration from the lesser "love children." Untill the shots are critisized or un-positively remarked on. Where upon it's yanked saying it' wil all be changed by beta and why should we show you anything at all you pagans! Unbelievers!!" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif) Or it's claimed to be old. Well if it's going to be changed why show it and if it's that old why wasn't it shown long before??
I think folks will be flying WB III this summer either in a buggy beta or with a production that's got problems. So, either way, I think it's going to be just,,,, buggy.
-Westy
[This message has been edited by Westy (edited 03-05-2001).]