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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Widewing on May 05, 2005, 11:55:18 PM
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Warning, this video is a 10 meg download, but worth the trouble.
If you haven't seen it before, this P-38F is a beauty.
Glacier Girl takeoff (http://209.161.100.81/ggtakeoff.mpg)
My regards,
Widewing
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I do some side work for Pat Epps over at Epps Aviation. There is alot of buzz going around that they may go out there to try to get a second one. Pat is a whiley old man thats for sure. Damn shame he didnt get to keep her. It would be nice to get one of those 38s out of that glasier. I would sell off half my stuff to go over and have a shot at trying to pull another one out of the ice.
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I think I'd give up body parts for the chance to help bring one of those things back to the air again. Just so I got a ride. :)
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Those early 38s are just about as gorgeous as an airplane can get. Love the small intake look.
Another one of those projects for after I win the lottery :)
Dan/CorkyJr
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Took these in November at Nellis..
(http://www.nayrproductions.com/gg1.jpg)
(http://www.nayrproductions.com/gg2.jpg)
(http://www.nayrproductions.com/gg3.jpg)
(http://www.nayrproductions.com/gg4.jpg)
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Imagine, they found here with a specially built ice-scope, and she was buried 70 meters deep!
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I saw her at Middlesboro, together with the Planes of Fame P-38, now painted as "Porky II". The first pic is "Glacier Girl" with some horribly ugly SOB. There's also a pic of project manager Bob Cardin on her wing (he's a great guy, if you see the plane, talk to him, he's been with her since she was being pulled from the ice). The last pic is "Porky II". With some really UGLY bastage.
(http://www.327th.com/images/Savage/P-38Savage-2.jpg) (http://www.327th.com/images/Savage/p-38-11.jpg) (http://www.327th.com/images/Savage/p-38-27.jpg) (http://www.327th.com/images/Savage/p-38-30.jpg) (http://www.327th.com/images/Savage/p-38-31.jpg) (http://www.327th.com/images/Savage/P-38Savage.jpg)
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I want to kiss one for reall once .
:aok
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Great pics, guys! :aok
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One thing that bugs me about Glacier Girl is that they have stenciled "US ARMY P-38E" on aircraft, along with serial number 41-7630.
The problem is that 41-7630 was assigned to a P-38F-1-LO, delivered on June 4th, 1942. Now, they got the serial # correct, this was one of the P-38s that made emergency landings on the Greenland snow cap. All of those P-38s were P-38F-1-LOs.
You would think that after expending nearly 7 million dollars to retrieve and rebuild this fighter, someone would have checked which model it was, and then mark it accordingly.
Odd bunch these warbird guys... they often get markings wrong and there's a wealth of material to assist them.
My regards,
Widewing
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Originally posted by Widewing
One thing that bugs me about Glacier Girl is that they have stenciled "US ARMY P-38E" on aircraft, along with serial number 41-7630.
The problem is that 41-7630 was assigned to a P-38F-1-LO, delivered on June 4th, 1942. Now, they got the serial # correct, this was one of the P-38s that made emergency landings on the Greenland snow cap. All of those P-38s were P-38F-1-LOs.
You would think that after expending nearly 7 million dollars to retrieve and rebuild this fighter, someone would have checked which model it was, and then mark it accordingly.
Odd bunch these warbird guys... they often get markings wrong and there's a wealth of material to assist them.
My regards,
Widewing
Didn't it have someting to do with some of those early Fs being ordered initially as Es and changed in mid run?
Seems to me I recall reading that they found on the Data plate that it was listed as an E, even though it had been upgraded to an F model.
Dan/CorkyJr
Who love's that paint scheme on the POF P38J for some reason. Headhunters baby! :)
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Didn't it have someting to do with some of those early Fs being ordered initially as Es and changed in mid run?
Seems to me I recall reading that they found on the Data plate that it was listed as an E, even though it had been upgraded to an F model.
AAF Contract AC-15646 was initially issued for approximately 450 P-38Es. However, the P-38F, F-4-1-LO, F-4A-1-LO and P-38F-1-LO aircraft were all built on this contract.
100 brand new P-38F-1-LOs were towed over to building 304 at the Lockheed terminal for modification. These aircraft were fitted with under-wing pylons and plumbed for drop tanks. Each aircraft was fitted with a new radio suite. In addition, 25 P-38Es of the 54th PS were flown in and modified in the same manner. These fighters later went to Alaska (remember your photo of those P-38Es with drop tanks?).
Once upgraded, the P-38F-1-LOs were issued to the squadrons scheduled to participate in Operation Bolero (flying trans-Atlantic guided by B-17Es).
I suppose that because data plates issued by the USAAF upon issue of a contract and are never to be modified, Lockheed simply pop-riveted them in place and said, "what the hell."
The fact remains that these were P-38F-1-LOs and for accuracy, Glacier Girl should be marked accordingly. Another error is the national insignia, which should not include the red dot on the star.
1942 Insignia (http://www.wpafb.af.mil/museum/research/insig7.htm)
My regards,
Widewing