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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Citabria on May 07, 2005, 01:08:05 PM
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T34 is at disadvantage to the PanzerIV. the T34s origional competition was the late model Panzer III and very early short barrel Panzer IV.
T-34-85 with its more powerful gun would be a good competitor for with the Panzer IV and would get more use.
variety is good and better performing T34 is needed.
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I would agree, hopefully they'll add it or replace the current right after they finish R & D on the Wirbelwind:aok
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Originally posted by Citabria
T34 is at disadvantage to the PanzerIV. the T34s origional competition was the late model Panzer III and very early short barrel Panzer IV.
T-34-85 with its more powerful gun would be a good competitor for with the Panzer IV and would get more use.
variety is good and better performing T34 is needed.
:aok
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Originally posted by Citabria
T34 is at disadvantage to the PanzerIV. the T34s origional competition was the late model Panzer III and very early short barrel Panzer IV.
T-34-85 with its more powerful gun would be a good competitor for with the Panzer IV and would get more use.
variety is good and better performing T34 is needed.
No.
The T34/85 is a 1944 model that came out in response to the 1943 emeragance of Tiger and Panther.
The T34 we have is a 43 model that did in deed face our early 1943 Panzer IVH. The long barreled PzIV came out in early 1942 in response to the shock of 1941 and the T34.
T34/85 will be here when the Panther gets here.
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Ok, maybe to match "IRL" they should come in together --
BUT
Both the Wirbelwind AND the T-34/85 are essesntially mods of current vehicles, requiring far less work than a fresh Panther. These new vehicles probably require less development time than ANYTHING that's likely to come out of the shop, so they represent great additional gameplay at relatively less programming "cost"
IMHO, these 2 -- Wirbelwind and T-34/85 -- are excellent choices for the next additions to AH2.
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Originally posted by Citabria
T34 is at disadvantage to the PanzerIV. the T34s origional competition was the late model Panzer III and very early short barrel Panzer IV.
T-34-85 with its more powerful gun would be a good competitor for with the Panzer IV and would get more use.
variety is good and better performing T34 is needed.
huh? but but i can kill Panzers with ease at close range (1 shot) !!!:D
btw our 1942 T-34 is no match for 1944 panzer. (2 year discrepancy lol)
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Well the Panzer is at a disadvantage to the Tiger should we get something for that also?
Over 50% of the aircraft/vehicles are not used, upgrades to them also?
Where does it end?
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Where does it end?
Cats and dogs living together!!
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Make its armour realistic and bring the T34-85
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Originally posted by Grits
Cats and dogs living together!!
LOLOLOLOL
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Originally posted by Pongo
Make its armour realistic and bring the T34-85
What do you mean "make its armour realistic"?
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The absoulute last thing this game needs is more GV's.
Bring more AIRPLANES to Aces High.
Thank you, and good night.
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Originally posted by Toad
The absoulute last thing this game needs is more GV's.
Bring more AIRPLANES to Aces High.
Thank you, and good night.
Yes!!... and NOT more "models"!!!!!!!!
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if your tank is half as good as the competition, bring twice the tanks.
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Why not just replace it with the T-34-85.
If you have both the older one will be a hanger queen anyways.
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Why not just replace it with the T-34-85.
If you have both the older one will be a hanger queen anyways.
Would you have to pay taxes and insurance on it while it sits there?
Ok then.
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Yup, but special reduced rates.
Geicko :)
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Its Geico.
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Opps speeeling nvr bean wun off mi strong points. :)
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Originally posted by Toad
The absoulute last thing this game needs is more GV's.
Bring more AIRPLANES to Aces High.
Thank you, and good night.
Yes, bring more planes to AH. We need more A/C for all the flyboys to complain about and fill the BB with whines & pleads
Lgay7 this whine, Spit dweeb that whine, Runstang another whine, N1ki your a noob whine, 190 cherry pick whine, Chog must be perked whine, 262 dweeb whine, Tiffie whine, P38 cheater whine, Yak Russian whine... I'm sure there's some I'm forgetting but you get the idea
You could put every WWII A/C that ever flew in the game and you guys would still complain and still fly the same 5 or 6 A/C over & over. I'd put money on that one.
I say put every plane HT can think of in the game, I'll be puttin' along in my GV anyways:aok
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Originally posted by Morpheus
Would you have to pay taxes and insurance on it while it sits there?
Ok then.
Iwould think you would get a multi vehicle discount
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Originally posted by 1K3
huh? but but i can kill Panzers with ease at close range (1 shot) !!!:D
btw our 1942 T-34 is no match for 1944 panzer. (2 year discrepancy lol)
Its a 1943 model T34 facing a 1943 model Panzer IV armed with a long 75mm that came out in 1942.
What you are asking for is a 1944 85mm gun arnmed T34 to fight a Panzer IV armed with a 1942 gun. And the T34 would still be faster and have even more armor than the current T34...
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GRUN,
The first T-34/85s entered service in 1943. It was not in response to the Panther, but rather the Panzer IV with the 75mm/L42 cannon and the Tiger I.
Further calling this T-34 a 1943 T-34 as opposed to a 1942, or even a 1941, T-34 is disengenous as from the stand point of this gae it changed unnoticably in that time period. It is a T-34/76 and while it certainly did face Panzer IV Hs and Tiger Is (although I'm not sure the Tiger was actually 99.5% immune to it in reality) it makes for a hangar queen in a game. We need some competitive tanks. What we have is a 262 eqivilent (Tiger I), an unperked F4U-1C equivilent (Panzer IV H) and a P-40E equivilent (T-34).
We need more choices that are competitive at the top end of the free tanks along with the Panzer IV H. The T-34/85 is one of those. Possibly the 76mm Sherman too. Those three tanks should be the top end free tanks. Then add in some perk tanks like the Panther V G, IS-2, Pershing and Firefly.
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Did HTC really add the T-34/76 as a 'match' for a Panzer IV E we have?
I've always thought they were just a bit lighter choice of tanks to choose from.. like, when you need to move around quick, make a dash from the spawn point, quickly clear the coastlines of LVTs, dish out the AA GVs at an enemy field and stuff - you choose the T-34.. and for more normal operations, the Panzer4 would be preferred.. and etc etc..
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Originally posted by MOIL
You could put every WWII A/C that ever flew in the game and you guys would still complain and still fly the same 5 or 6 A/C over & over.
I agree MOIL
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HT stated th T34/85 will come out with the Panther. If you read about the two i'll take the Panther. Panther gun was more powerful that the Tiger 88 that we have and Panther had 4inch slopped frontal armour. The t-34 even with 85mm only had 2 and 1/2 inch slopped armour. 75mm Panther could penetrate more armour than Tiger or 85 mm T-34. the T-34 was faster than the Panther, 34mph t-34, 29mph Panther. The 88mm King tiger gun and the Russian stalin 122mm were top guns in tanks in ww2. So if u want a Killer russian tank it would have to be the Stalin 2. Disadvantage of Stalin 2/3 tanks only fired 2 rounds a minute. It was a navy gun originally so u had to load bullet and powder charge seperate.
i end saying, more plane more gvs the more we have to choose from the better.
if u really want a tank that will not survive in the Ma. that will be the shermans.. even the firefly shermans could only kill panthers and tigers with side or rear shots. Max penetration of regular sherman was 66mm a little over 2 inchs at 500 yards.
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Originally posted by MOIL
You could put every WWII A/C that ever flew in the game and you guys would still complain and still fly the same 5 or 6 A/C over & over. I'd put money on that one.
You mean there is more than 5 or 6?
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I still cant believe you diehard GV types actually use that anti-aircraft argument... in... ACES... HIGH!!
"Dear Santa Hitech... please, nothing but vehicles!"
lol
I can totally understand a common ground compromise... add a few planes, add a GV. But 100% GV, 100% anti-air, thats farkin ridiculous.
All I can do is shake my head and sigh. :)
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Originally posted by MOIL
You could put every WWII A/C that ever flew in the game and you guys would still complain and still fly the same 5 or 6 A/C over & over. I'd put money on that one.
You could put every WWII armored vehicle that ever drove in the game and you guys would still complain and still drive the same 5 or 6 vehicles over & over. I'd put money on that one.
What needs to be done is open a second arena just for ground vehicles. Take something with no real player support, like the CT, build some GV terrains (Kursk, whatever) and turn you boys loose to clank all over in peace.
It'd be doing both sides a favor. Well, all three sides.
IMHO.
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The T34 in the game is way to well armoured vs the Panzer IVHs pak 40.
Course everything in Ah is way to well armoured.
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I think our current T34 and current Panzer are a good match vs each other.
At long ranges the panzer has the advantage. Within 500yds they are pretty well matched, if going head to head both are hard to kill. get a side shot on the t34 and its engine is out, a side shot on the panzer isnt as effective. Hit the side of a t34 turret, the turret is disabled. Hit the side of a panzer turret, the panzer blows up.
If you want an all gv arena, go to H2H, create an arena and disable all planes, disable tiger too if you want panzer vs. t34 with suicidal m8s running about.
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Originally posted by Raptor01
I think our current T34 and current Panzer are a good match vs each other.
At long ranges the panzer has the advantage. Within 500yds they are pretty well matched, if going head to head both are hard to kill. get a side shot on the t34 and its engine is out, a side shot on the panzer isnt as effective. Hit the side of a t34 turret, the turret is disabled. Hit the side of a panzer turret, the panzer blows up.
If you want an all gv arena, go to H2H, create an arena and disable all planes, disable tiger too if you want panzer vs. t34 with suicidal m8s running about.
Thats what we say to the people who want a furball place on every map, yet it doesn't seem to be good enough for them, so why should it be acceptable to gv'ers?
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Octavius:
"I still cant believe you diehard GV types actually use that anti-aircraft argument... in... ACES... HIGH!!
"Dear Santa Hitech... please, nothing but vehicles!"
lol
I can totally understand a common ground compromise... add a few planes, add a GV. But 100% GV, 100% anti-air, thats farkin ridiculous"
You will have to enlighten me on where I stated I wanted 100% GV's & 100% AA ?
In WWII more A/C were shot down by Anti-Aircraft fire than another plane.
TOAD:
"You could put every WWII armored vehicle that ever drove in the game and you guys would still complain and still drive the same 5 or 6 vehicles over & over. I'd put money on that one"
Don't know bout that, I guess it's a possibility, the "GVrs" have 5-6 vehicles worth using. You have how many plane choices?
TOAD:
"What needs to be done is open a second arena just for ground vehicles. Take something with no real player support, like the CT, build some GV terrains (Kursk, whatever) and turn you boys loose to clank all over in peace"
I think the GV's have a good chunk of player support. If you don't support them or like them, that's fine, a lot do
The game Aces High is what the community makes of it {and the name is just that, A name} not a discription of what the game is all about. If this were the case HTC's main page would read:
"Aces High takes the art and science of vintage WWII air combat
and sets it in an online high intensity environment where
hundreds of players can battle it out with and against
each other. High fidelity air combat is the heart of
Aces High, but it doesn't end there, oh wait it does, we only want our customers to fly airplanes all day and night!
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onions i don,t know where you get your info but the panther had a 75mm gun,no wy more powerful than a 88mm.
The largest tank gun of the time was the Konigstiger with a 71 calibers 88mm.The tiger tanks gun was a 36 calibers 88mm.
I have checked the net everywhere too find a all GV game,and this is the only 1 that you can play that has more than 50 people in the same room.I think HT should take advantage of this fact and exploit it.Come out with more Gv's and give them thier own arena too fight in.
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You will have to enlighten me on where I stated I wanted 100% GV's & 100% AA ?
In WWII more A/C were shot down by Anti-Aircraft fire than another plane.
No, anti-addition-of-new-aircraft, pro-addition-of-only-vehicles.
But, if you're not in that crowd, then you need not feel threatened by that post. :)
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Originally posted by 1Klink
onions i don,t know where you get your info but the panther had a 75mm gun,no wy more powerful than a 88mm.
The largest tank gun of the time was the Konigstiger with a 71 calibers 88mm.The tiger tanks gun was a 36 calibers 88mm.
I have checked the net everywhere too find a all GV game,and this is the only 1 that you can play that has more than 50 people in the same room.I think HT should take advantage of this fact and exploit it.Come out with more Gv's and give them thier own arena too fight in.
Tiger I 88mm is 56 calibers.
Panther's 75/L70 is more powerful than Tiger I 88mm.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Tiger I 88mm is 56 calibers.
Panther's 75/L70 is more powerful than Tiger I 88mm.
Yup. By a significant margin.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Karnak
GRUN,
The first T-34/85s entered service in 1943. It was not in response to the Panther, but rather the Panzer IV with the 75mm/L42 cannon and the Tiger I.
Further calling this T-34 a 1943 T-34 as opposed to a 1942, or even a 1941, T-34 is disengenous as from the stand point of this gae it changed unnoticably in that time period. It is a T-34/76 and while it certainly did face Panzer IV Hs and Tiger Is (although I'm not sure the Tiger was actually 99.5% immune to it in reality) it makes for a hangar queen in a game. We need some competitive tanks. What we have is a 262 eqivilent (Tiger I), an unperked F4U-1C equivilent (Panzer IV H) and a P-40E equivilent (T-34).
We need more choices that are competitive at the top end of the free tanks along with the Panzer IV H. The T-34/85 is one of those. Possibly the 76mm Sherman too. Those three tanks should be the top end free tanks. Then add in some perk tanks like the Panther V G, IS-2, Pershing and Firefly.
The T-34/76 was still in wide use by the Soviets until the end of the war. I have many pictures from Seelowe to Kurland that show T-34/76s by the handful.
Calling the few T-34/85s 'in service' in '43 is quite disingenuous. As much so as any of your comparisons.
GVs are quite stupid to begin with but simply flipping the balance form the P-IV to the T-34/85 is no more realistic or 'competitive' then it is right now.
After all a P-IV is there for anyone who wants it. The fact the T-35/76 doesn't get used much is no big deal. There are many other aircraft and vehicles in AH that get little usage as well. Most of them a lot more fun then some gv.
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Originally posted by Octavius
You will have to enlighten me on where I stated I wanted 100% GV's & 100% AA ?
In WWII more A/C were shot down by Anti-Aircraft fire than another plane.
No, anti-addition-of-new-aircraft, pro-addition-of-only-vehicles.
But, if you're not in that crowd, then you need not feel threatened by that post. :)
Ok, roger that!
As far as "new" A/C for the game I'm all for it {stating for the record}
If HT wants to add a new plane every other week, I say lets help them do it!
HT also knows there is a great deal of players that enjoy doing other things besides fly planes and dogfight.