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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: BlueJ1 on May 08, 2005, 03:01:16 PM
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Well, Ive reached the goal of every cadet in the program. Last night at the military ball for all services I was promoted offically to CPO (Cheif Petty Officer) I am now the highest ranking cadet in my division of about 150. Only took 4 years. :D
Now my minions shall rule the world!
BlueJ
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Congratulations.
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Originally posted by BlueJ1
Now my minions shall rule the world!
BlueJ
:lol
Congrats, Chief!
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congrats :)
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I just initiated the application for my school's military program. I hope I can attain similar results.
-Sik
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wow..your NJROTC only went to CPO? Mine went to Commander and I graduated at Lt. Commander...we only had about 150 Cadets.
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We arnt a highschool program. True you must be 14 years old to join, but my highschool does not run it. It is a seperate program completly. We are also reconized by the Marines and the Navy, I start off in the Navy as an E-3, the Marines a E-2. Our program also hs alot higher standards then highschool NJROTC. The program also offers more trianings including SEAL school (I can list tons more if wanted). The program is also worldwide. I know besides the United States theres divisions in Canada, England, and Australia.
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Congrats, You've had a snmall taste. The real deal is still out there ahead of you if you're willing to work for it.
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Sea Cadets?
BTW we had extremely high standards..maybe the program as a whole doesn't ,but we did and did quite a bit of stuff too..and NJROTC also gets the E-3 Navy/ E-2 Marines deal.
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Well, here in NY the highschool run programs are lame to non existent.
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I'd rather be an officer.
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Originally posted by hawker238
I'd rather be an officer.
Why..so you can be trained to have a "Holier than thou, I went to college so I'm better than you" attitude..so no matter how much the guy doing the same job for the past 20 years knows..you can tell him he is wrong just because you've been trained not to admit you are wrong...so you can be despised by the men you are supposed to lead..or because you like to kiss prettythang every chance you get to try to further your career..and refuse to take responsibility when things go wrong. Those are the makings of just about every Naval officer I've ever met..though I hear they are slightly better in the other services.
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Originally posted by ASTAC
Why..so you can be trained to have a "Holier than thou, I went to college so I'm better than you" attitude..so no matter how much the guy doing the same job for the past 20 years knows..you can tell him he is wrong just because you've been trained not to admit you are wrong...so you can be despised by the men you are supposed to lead..or because you like to kiss prettythang every chance you get to try to further your career..and refuse to take responsibility when things go wrong. Those are the makings of just about every Naval officer I've ever met..though I hear they are slightly better in the other services.
I advice you be careful what you say around a USMC officer, if this is the wide blank you cover military leadership with.
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Originally posted by ASTAC
Why..so you can be trained to have a "Holier than thou, I went to college so I'm better than you" attitude..so no matter how much the guy doing the same job for the past 20 years knows..you can tell him he is wrong just because you've been trained not to admit you are wrong...so you can be despised by the men you are supposed to lead..or because you like to kiss prettythang every chance you get to try to further your career..and refuse to take responsibility when things go wrong. Those are the makings of just about every Naval officer I've ever met..though I hear they are slightly better in the other services.
kid you got it alll wrong! you just opened a can of (shyt you dont even know about)
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Take it easy on him. Part of his ROTC training included a course on how to be a part of Bush's war staff.
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I said the other service officers seem to be better. And I have little experience with the other services. I would never say anything about ANY Marine. All our amphibious brothers do I job I'd never want to do or probrably could do. And I ain't no kid..been at this job for 12 years..most of the O's I work for now are 21 year old "kids" with no experience at the jobs they are trying to tell me how to do. I get older and the leadership just keeps getting younger:D
I just call it as I see it, and how I have seen it over the years.
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ASTAC, my last 3 C.O.'s have been very down to earth guys, esp. the one we have now. They are all line officers with engineering backgrounds. Having said that, the best officer I have ever worked for was an LDO, a former SKCM who was a hard-ass but fair.
The Sea Cadets drill with us at our Reserve Center, really young kids. I was amused when I saw them the first time. They march and act like they are active duty so they mean business. Sometimes I think they are more serious about it than we are!
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LDO's or Mustangs are the best officers in most cases....and Navy marching? Only done it once since boot-camp. I will admit that the higher up an "O" gets the more in touch with reality they become..my biggest problem is Lt. Commanders and below.
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Insecurity in a junior Officer is a pretty common thing. They are stuck in a position of authority, most of the time hardly trained enough to have an idea as to what is going on and yet expected top provide leadership, guidance and supervision.
A truly top notch NCO recognizes this situation and works to train the Officer to the point he actually can know what the hell is going on and really be an asset in stead of the same thing but without the et. ;)
I have been VERY fortunate that early in my career I had a GREAT E-7 explain that to me. Following his advice I made it my goal to find the sharpest NCO I had in my unit and ASK him to train me. Once I had my feet on the ground I could then take over and let the NCO handle running things while I took care of direction. Leadership was both of our responsibilities. This allowed me to work with my NCO's far better than I did with my fellow Officers.
The best commendation I have ever received was from my former 1st Sgt. when I left company command. He wrote me a letter thanking me for allowing him to experiment, to lead and to do the actual job of an NCO. I still have that letter with me today when all the other "wall trash" is in storage or gone. When we first met he actually told me he hated Officers and only worked with them as he couldn't get away from them.
ASTEC, I have little experiance with the Navy other than my brother having been a career NCO there but think things are similar. Don't be disapointed in all junior Officers. Try to find the ones that are trainable and work with them. The results are definately worth it. It won't necessarily be easy but it makes a better Officer and a hell of a legacy for an NCO to leave behind.
FWIW, my brother hated Officers too. :D
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BlueJ1, does a free parking space come with that?:p
j/k....Congrats.;)
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Originally posted by ASTAC
Why..so you can be trained to have a "Holier than thou, I went to college so I'm better than you" attitude..so no matter how much the guy doing the same job for the past 20 years knows..you can tell him he is wrong just because you've been trained not to admit you are wrong...so you can be despised by the men you are supposed to lead..or because you like to kiss prettythang every chance you get to try to further your career..and refuse to take responsibility when things go wrong. Those are the makings of just about every Naval officer I've ever met..though I hear they are slightly better in the other services.
I was an officer, I just love to ear this kind of statement:aok Seems like you have a poor faith in the Military system, I hope it's not the result of your top notch ROTC teachings. Maybe you should consider a civilian career.:D
BlueJ ... wtg chief, a lot of work along those 4 years, I'm sure you familly and friends realize you accomplishment to it's true value!
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Originally posted by Sikboy
I just initiated the application for my school's military program. I hope I can attain similar results.
-Sik
You going back in?
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Originally posted by ASTAC
LDO's or Mustangs are the best officers in most cases....and Navy marching? Only done it once since boot-camp. I will admit that the higher up an "O" gets the more in touch with reality they become..my biggest problem is Lt. Commanders and below.
Hmmm... I only met one OS turned LDO that was worth a ****, and that's saying too little. He was a genius. The rest were morons.
As for the rest of the officers... I can't say any of them were so horribly bad that I can even remember them. A few good ones, a few bad ones. School or no, they're just people. Same goes for the brown shoes.
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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
BlueJ ... wtg chief, a lot of work along those 4 years, I'm sure you familly and friends realize you accomplishment to it's true value!
Yes my family has, but sadly, my generation is completly ignorant when it comes to the military and the work involved.
My experience with officers fall into two groups. Those who skipped right to officer level and dont know the meaning of work with the exception of a few. Then there is the other group in which a officer has been through the ranks or has spent time with his men and understands the makings of a team. My last job as a PO in charge of new recruits I tried to base my commands off my experiences as a recruit.
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Originally posted by Sandman
You going back in?
If they'll take me lol. It's a pretty tough selection process, and I do have a few things working against me (such as my only exposure to the Military Justice system being an Article 15 lol). But I'm lining up the applications for the JAG Corps.
So that ASTAC can grumble about me behind my back :)
Though by and large I agree with what he was saying, though tempered through what Mav suggested. I plan on being the most Clue Free LT by the time I hit the fleet.
-Sik
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Originally posted by ASTAC
Why..so you can be trained to have a "Holier than thou, I went to college so I'm better than you" attitude..so no matter how much the guy doing the same job for the past 20 years knows..you can tell him he is wrong just because you've been trained not to admit you are wrong...so you can be despised by the men you are supposed to lead..or because you like to kiss prettythang every chance you get to try to further your career..and refuse to take responsibility when things go wrong. Those are the makings of just about every Naval officer I've ever met..though I hear they are slightly better in the other services.
Better pay, better treatment, better education.
Makes sense to me.
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Originally posted by Sikboy
If they'll take me lol. It's a pretty tough selection process, and I do have a few things working against me (such as my only exposure to the Military Justice system being an Article 15 lol). But I'm lining up the applications for the JAG Corps.
So that ASTAC can grumble about me behind my back :)
Though by and large I agree with what he was saying, though tempered through what Mav suggested. I plan on being the most Clue Free LT by the time I hit the fleet.
-Sik
Best of luck. I'm sure you'll be a good officer. :aok
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Originally posted by Sandman
Best of luck. I'm sure you'll be a good officer. :aok
er... thanks... I think.
-Sik