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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: IK3 on May 08, 2005, 11:19:39 PM
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when flying Boston/A-20 series...
anyone noticed being killed in Boston/A-20 in an instant when shot at (even 7.7mms)
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Not the A20 so much..if you're relying on those 2 50cals in the back you're asking to die IMO.
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ummm no, next to IL2 , A20 kicks *** in fights takes a beating turns well and shreads anythin right in front of it.
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A-20s are surprisingly maneuverable. A contemporary, '43 109 or 190 would actually have a hard time killing it if the A-20 is really up for a fight.
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A-20 is very maneuverable BUT....I find the wings rip off very easy...
then again i still fly with stall limiter so you guys without limiter may find it very different.....
regardless....the a-20 can turn like a bat out of hell...
its also very fun to kill Bullz when he is flying his gay20 =)
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cav...try unloading the wing bombs before you start turnfighting ;) YMMV
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Originally posted by RightF00T
cav...try unloading the wing bombs before you start turnfighting ;) YMMV
That and under 25% fuel makes you surprisingly nimble. Shedding all the extra weight before going into "fighter mode" is the key. You'll be just another helpless bomber if you still have eggs or are heavy on fuel. Use a little rudder to help with roll rate too.
Drano
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What he is talking about, and what has been complained about before, is the fact that even with a few MG hits the Boson (and I have heard complaints regarding the A20) will explode. Recently was fooling around in an MG only HTH room. Had some fun with SBD vs Ju87, but then tried Boston. It's okay as a platform, but you get all these BS instant deaths. I come in on a Ju88 and I get 3 pilot wounds in the process (no hits going to the cockpit!). I fly it and fight in it for a while, and odd hits from ANY angle will kill. In a HO pass where I ***only*** hit Ik3's port wing and engine, he blew up from a pilot kill. In strange fuselage hits (from any angle, any quarter) you will die from an instant pilot kill.
That's what Ik3 is referring to.
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Originally posted by IK3
when flying Boston/A-20 series...
anyone noticed being killed in Boston/A-20 in an instant when shot at (even 7.7mms)
Even that is a friggen tank... when compared to the Mosquito catch on fire bull poop.
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The thing with the Boston is it has .303 and was nto a very good aircraft in WWII. Now they A20 was a different story. But the Boston was an easy kill even in real life.
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Originally posted by IK3
when flying Boston/A-20 series...
anyone noticed being killed in Boston/A-20 in an instant when shot at (even 7.7mms)
Not when Cobia38 is flying the dang thing.
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Thanks CrzyMonk.
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OK, where are all those one-shot-easy-kill-planes you guys keep talking about???
A few weeeks ago i hashed it out with an a20. Took my poor little Hurris hispanos FOEVER to take the plane apart. Hits all over but youd think sooner or later one of those parts woulda fallen off....
(And before anyones says it: yes, i know, concentrate fire on one point... just isnt always that easy)
PS: I know sometimes it feels like the plane just needs to see a 303 from afar and falls apart at the seams... happens to all of us.
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I think he is really talking about the Boston, the A20 is just fine from my experience. There was a scenario once using Bostons and my lonely 190 took out 16 of them by myself. This is in one flight, no rearm. Even using my 2 mg's just a few rounds would cause the Bostons to blow up like powder kegs.
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The boston is an easy kill. it's also a BoB era aircraft. So lump it in with the ju88, 110c, spit1, hurri1, p40b, etc. Actually looking at it from that direction, when you compare it to it's contemporaries, it's speed is pretty insane.
The a-20 can give any plane in the arena a good run for it's money. Low wing loading combined with a lot of mass, and high density allowing for some shocking dives and zoom climbs. Six .50s packed into the nose for firepower, and 4k in bombs for jabo. Oh and it takes damage like a bomber, not a fighter.
The a-20 can outrun most of the turners, and out-turn most of the fast planes, despite it's size. Plus a 4k bombload makes it one of the best jabos in the game.
The A-20G and Boston would be much better if properly armed. (http://www.flyaceshigh.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=58301)
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SPECIFICATIONS
Span: 61 ft. 4 in.
Length: 48 ft. 0 in.
Height: 17 ft. 7 in.
Weight: 24,125 lbs. gross weight
Armament: 4 fixed, forward firing .50-cal. machine guns in the nose, two fixed .50-cal. machine guns in the lower forward fuselage, two .50-cal. machine guns in a dorsal turret, and one .50-cal. machine gun in a ventral position plus provisions for 4,000 lbs of bombs.
(from wright-patterson afb data)
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Some people might think "Oh, it's easy to kill anyways" because they use cannon all the time. Or maybe the bug is ONLY with MG ammo. But you do the same thing to a Ju88 or a Ju87, or hell, ANY BOB-era plane (I had an HTH room set up with only BOB era planes) and you'll see a couple pings won't kill any of them. Not even to the cockpit. The 7mms/303s are great for pilot wounds, but none of them kill instantly. But put 2 pings on the outboard port wing of a boston and WHAM pilot kill. Shoot its tail fins and WHAM pilot kill. Shoot it sidways through the rear fuselage and WHAM pilot kill.
And this isn't the only plane that has some fishy MG pilot killing abilities. I was in a 38G last night trying (trying) to out zoom a c202. I was in F3 mode looking ahead and I was watching as I got peppered ALONG THE PORT FLAP AND AILERON, and the damage I got was a ***pilot wound***.
He was behind me, directly below me.. His shots would have had to come from 45 degrees off my level port wing and then pass THROUGH the ailerons, the flaps, the engine, the boom, the rest of the wing root, out the wing, through the glass, and then into my pilot. Instead there was no way he could ever have gotten my pilot, nailed me on the WING and I got a pilot wound.
There's something fishy with MG damage. Cannons don't do this, I've noticed. Maybe it's because of the way they are designed to NOT penetrate (they just explode). But MGs are kinda messed up. At least with some planes.
There was a time not tooooooo long ago that there were rampant complaints against the A20 Havoc for similar instant-death situations (like the events with the Boston now)