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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: nirvana on May 09, 2005, 06:21:31 PM
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Why is Photoshop so expensive? Discuss
P.S. Photoshop CS is about $699.99 American currency according to Comp USA.
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cs2 just came out. Either way, you can get both for free.
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cuz it's the catz sphincter, I wouldn't say it turns crap to gold but silver is close.
(http://ca.geocities.com/brug@rogers.com/niagara/images/Niagara_1.jpg)
(http://ca.geocities.com/brug@rogers.com/sun/images/June_17.jpg)
(http://ca.geocities.com/ereid@rogers.com/land/images/Port_Rowan.jpg)
(http://ca.geocities.com/ereid@rogers.com/land/images/Port_Dover.jpg)
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MS Paint can do 90% of what Photoshop can for free, just feast your peepers on this:
(http://www.wwiirt.com/ahsounds/ahlogo.jpg)
eskimo
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ALOT of knowledge and Expirience inside this peace of Software.
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They don't necessarily protect it like $700 worth of hardware at my school.
Eskimo.......THATS WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT! heheh
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If you are a registered student, there is a place you an get it for an educational promo price. Think I paid $300 for the Adobe Web Collection a few years ago.
If you're interested I'll try to recall the website.
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Originally posted by nirvana
Why is Photoshop so expensive? Discuss
Because it's the standard by which all other photo editors are measured. The price is steep, no doubt. They can charge this much because the industry will bear it.
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those gay AH planes would have been a lot less than 0.25mb with photoshop, but even less with XV
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because so many people steal it that they have to jack up the unit price to pay for developement.
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Originally posted by Torque
cuz it's the catz sphincter, I wouldn't say it turns crap to gold but silver is close.
(http://ca.geocities.com/ereid@rogers.com/land/images/Port_Rowan.jpg)
(http://ca.geocities.com/ereid@rogers.com/land/images/Port_Dover.jpg)
jaw dropping
what filters did you use for those?
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If you learn to use IRAF, you can do MUCH better than photoshop for free & do it much quicker
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Thats why you dont pay for it, and say you did.;) (Not saying i've dont this)
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it's not a camera filter moose, but rather a "dodge and burn" or "painting with light" technique in CS using black and white layers.
the originals are somewhat lack luster.
the sky was replaced in the barn shot.
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Torque, those are your pictures? Those are awesome.
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really nice photos:aok
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Uh yeah, Photoshop is really the only game in town. Why does it cost so much?
Well:
A) people will pay that much for it.
B) it's marketed at professionals or semi-professionals. MOst people don't need photoshop, and wouldn't pay for it. A smaller market means a higher price point to recover the investment.
C) It's the only game in town.
Of course, GIMP (http://www.gimp.org/), the open-source alternative, seems to be gaining popularity and ground.
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I work daily with Photoshop (Macintosh) mainly in CMYK format, if you work close with
print companys the color calibration alone is worth the money.
Imagine you spend hours creating an Illustration only to see the look
of the final product on paper looks complete different.
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I use it everyday at work so also note if your buying Photoshop CS (creative studio) you are getting. illustrator, In design and Image ready as well.
And as GhOstFT said, it worth it just for the colour calibration.
And it supports Wacom tablets fully, with pressure sesitivity for brush size/opacity and tilt on brushes which really kicks arse :-)
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i've been slowly switching over from the big brand name models to the open source versions. in this case, i have been learning to use "the gimp" blender is great for 3d modeling i am finding.
dont want to spend the money. dont want to expose my system to wonky virus laden cracks anymore either.
they are nearly as good and can usually accomplish what i need to get done.
someday when im rich maybe ill buy a copy again.
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Originally posted by eskimo2
MS Paint can do 90% of what Photoshop can for free, just feast your peepers on this:
eskimo
PS is worth every penny if you use it at work
90%? dont think so
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GIMP is free and does 99% of photoshops features. It's awesome.
http://www.gimp.org/windows/
(http://gimp-win.sourceforge.net/gimpwin.png)
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the only thing that bothers me about gimp is that i can't seem to figure out how to keep the tool bar on top. any idea how to do this?
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Gimp/file/settings/session management
Choose toolbar type 'always on top'
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ah. yes. thank you sir.
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Originally posted by nirvana
Why is Photoshop so expensive? Discuss
P.S. Photoshop CS is about $699.99 American currency according to Comp USA.
It's not expensive you can purchase it for as little as $5 or maybe $20 and have it mailed to your door. I got every photoshop programe on 1 DVD for free :-)
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Gixer
It's not expensive you can purchase it for as little as $5 or maybe $20 and have it mailed to your door. I got every photoshop programe on 1 DVD for free :-)
...-Gixer
how? I want to get the latest version, I only have 6.0
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Originally posted by ramzey
PS is worth every penny if you use it at work
90%? dont think so
Are you taking me seriously?
eskimo
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Originally posted by NUKE
how? I want to get the latest version, I only have 6.0
Have a holiday in Asia, just about every market sells software by the dozen for $5 I had a link to a few sites where you could order online and they mail out to you. I'll try find it as the two I just tried have been shut down and moved to another address. Or have a look around in bittorrent download client.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Torque
cuz it's the catz sphincter, I wouldn't say it turns crap to gold but silver is close.
I've had PS for years but hardly ever used it other then for very basic funtions. Never understood the reason to spend hours pi**ing about with PS and photos when that time is better used out in the field taking more photos and improving technique.
...-Gixer
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technique can only get you as far as your equipment allows, PS for me is a cheap stop-gap measure. i can't justify spending 4k for a pro body and 8k on a 2.8 F tele pro lens. It won't give me anything near the same quality pics, but i'm not deleting as many as before.
recording actions and batch processing, sharpening with a layer mask, exposure bracketing layering, adjusting levels for a better dynamic range, cloning to remove unwanted background objects, just to name a few. heck, PS with a click of a button can resizes multiple hi-res shots and then generate webpage galleries, including thumbnails and linking. one of the most usefull tools is the browser.
(http://ca.geocities.com/torqq@rogers.com/air/images/F-14_Tomcat_8.jpg)
(http://ca.geocities.com/torqq@rogers.com/air/images/F-15_Viper__East_Demo_5.jpg)
(http://ca.geocities.com/torqs@rogers.com/racing/images/Sportsman_23.jpg)
(http://ca.geocities.com/torqss@rogers.com/racing/images/Pro_Street_20.jpg)
(http://ca.geocities.com/ereid@rogers.com/people/images/War_of_1812_1.jpg)
(http://ca.geocities.com/ereid@rogers.com/people/images/Sunday.jpg)
(http://ca.geocities.com/torqq@rogers.com/city/images/Parliament_Hill_3.jpg)
(http://ca.geocities.com/torqq@rogers.com/wildlife/images/Signets_.jpg)
(http://ca.geocities.com/torqq@rogers.com/wildlife/images/Swan_3.jpg)
my nextdoor neighbour owns a small software company, i just had to take a few pics of his harley and got a reg copy for $100.
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Originally posted by Torque
technique can only get you as far as your equipment allows, PS for me is a cheap stop-gap measure.
I don't agree, a good photographer can take photos with anything. Your better off spending more time taking photos then more hours in PS. It's more about light and capturing the right moment so to speak then anything at all to do with PS and mega lens and bodies.
Some people walk around with a bag full of lens and flashes yet still can't take a decent photo to make a postcard let alone create enough work for a decent portfolio.
...-Gixer
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Bah. A good photographer can take photos with just about anything. A good photographer -- film or digital -- does postprocessing too. A good photographer may be taking pictures with a point-and-shoot camera with crappy dynamic range, and need to take three pictures at different f-stop settings, then use the "curves" feature to compress them. A good photographer may be at a once-in-a-lifetime site/event, and find the background to be far brighter than the subject, and a lot of dead digital space in between, and might find it prudent to "cut out the middle" of the picture.
A good photographer might have a couple of hot pixels that need to be mapped out.
A good photographer might take a picture in RAW format and need to set the levels individually and by sector.
And yes, good photographers take tons and tons of pictures, analyze them for ways to improve them, and very few of them make it all the way to the "finished" stage.
There's no substitute for being a good photographer: you can't "add in" composition or image data later. But processing with PS allows you to maximize the impact of the photographs taken. It's called workflow, and there's room for skill and artistry at every stage.
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Those weird looking light photos reminde
me of "Limoney Siket's Tale of unfortunate events"
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Originally posted by Dinger
There's no substitute for being a good photographer: you can't "add in" composition or image data later. But processing with PS allows you to maximize the impact of the photographs taken. It's called workflow, and there's room for skill and artistry at every stage.
Like I said before, I'd rather be out taking more photos increasing my workflow and improving my skills that way rather then being indoors pi**ing about with PS and expecting it to fix my mistakes.
...-Gixer
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Yeah, but who said photoshop was there to fix mistakes?
That's like saying barbecue grills exist to cover the taste of spoiled meat.
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It is a tool for the photographer. And like any tool, there is a place and time for it to be used. Artists use more than one brush to complete thier works.
I also would remind everyone, we at HTC do not appreciate nor will tolerate discussions, on our bulletin board, on how to steal software. It should not even have to be said and in that light, it is the last warning.
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(http://www.goodbrush.com/cm/albums/finished_sketches/machine.jpg) (http://www.goodbrush.com/)
(http://www.goodbrush.com/cm/albums/finished_sketches/landing.jpg) (http://www.goodbrush.com/)
(http://www.goodbrush.com/cm/albums/finished_sketches/shipdeck.jpg) (http://www.goodbrush.com/)
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Originally posted by Gixer
Your better off spending more time taking photos then more hours in PS.
Yeah? And who's paying your day rate, and what is it? How many asistants are you using, and how much are you paying the stylist? How long do you have the location for? How long do you have your subject for?
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ya, who's gonna do the manscaping?
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another example, we use Photoshop for the pc games industry,
creating textures, for colourizing scanned pencil sketches, what i
want to say is Photoshop is not just for Photographers, it is used
buy a wide spectrum artists.
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Photoshop is the industry standard which all others wish to become. It is that good.
Torque, AWESOME job both in photography and Photoshop.
If you haven't yet, spend the $149.00 and get the CS2 upgrade. You're going to love it.
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"The Gimp" is definitely a great alternative if you don't want to spend the $$$ for Photoshop. I use it quite a bit (need to download the latest version), both for photo editing and for building skins for 3D computer models.
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Originally posted by Nash
Yeah? And who's paying your day rate, and what is it? How many asistants are you using, and how much are you paying the stylist? How long do you have the location for? How long do you have your subject for?
I didn't realise this subject was exclusive to professionals shooting models.
....-Gixer
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Originally posted by Gixer
I didn't realise this subject was exclusive to professionals shooting models.
....-Gixer
I guessed that. Most professionals don't go to Asia to buy ripped-off software.
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Originally posted by NUKE
I guessed that. Most professionals don't go to Asia to buy ripped-off software.
LOL Don't kid yourself, they like their duty free just as much as the next guy.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Gixer
I didn't realise this subject was exclusive to professionals shooting models.
It's not. But Photoshop is the gold standard for professionals and that's why it costs as much as it does which, as it turns out, addresses the original question that "Your better off spending more time taking photos then more hours in PS" does not.
Personally - I instruct every photographer I use to stay the hell away from Photoshop and let me deal with it. I guess it goes to your point a little; they are photographers.... and I don't want them messing with the pics even just a little because, unless they know how the picture is going to be treated and what paper it's ultimately going to be printed on, they can't possibly get it right and in my experience never have.
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i was using PS since ver 3 for PC
this soft , never crash, never ctd, never lock up computer
with 3.51 i was able to work on 2 Gb file on pc486 dx4-100mhz with 32 mb of ram
i can easy work with 100 layers
i can set profile for every color process, i can process lab files, and this soft never fail me
PS was my first legal software and i boght it for allmost 1000$, was wort it
if you have to correct pictures to correct and resize from your own backyard, do it by other free soft ;) for proffesional use is only one chioice
PS is best. allways when i drive next to adobe building in SJ, i smile :)
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Originally posted by SaburoS
Photoshop is the industry standard which all others wish to become. It is that good.
Torque, AWESOME job both in photography and Photoshop.
If you haven't yet, spend the $149.00 and get the CS2 upgrade. You're going to love it.
i'll take a look Sab.
the local store had the 20D, grip, extra 511a batt and a sweet lowepro gadget bag in a bundle (got home and found a hoya smc 77 mm UV filter in the bag :p). my cost was just over $900 after trading in the 10D, can't complain as they also transfered the 10D extended warranty onto the 20D. picked up a few other things too.
thx again for the heads up on the kelby book, i'd still be using PS for just the basic functions
major hickman emailed me that he'll be back with the viper demo team, that should be fun since he owes me large.
btw, thought this might interest you, 1/20 th shutter speed, racing.
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/216502/0
cheers ...
(http://ca.geocities.com/ereid@rogers.com/gear.jpg)
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I picked up a 20d a few months ago but only have the cheap lens it came with. I'm wanting to get a couple of better lenses when I start making money again.
Anyway Torque, those pictures of yours are just incredible.
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"?cuz it's the catz sphincter, I wouldn't say it turns crap to gold but silver is close. "
wouldnt it be easier and cheaper just to take silver in the first place?
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just downloaded Gimp. It is a pretty impressive package. I haven't used Photoshop in years, so I'm not familiar with the latest feature. Can someone explain to me what Photoshop has that Gimp doesn't that makes it worth to pay for?
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I haven't used Gimp so I don't know what it offers.
I do use Nik Multimedia as well as Fred Miranda plug-ins that were designed for Photoshop.
Because I shoot in RAW format, I can batch adjust in Photoshop.
It just saves me tons of time rather than opening each file one at a time.
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Originally posted by Torque
i'll take a look Sab.
the local store had the 20D, grip, extra 511a batt and a sweet lowepro gadget bag in a bundle (got home and found a hoya smc 77 mm UV filter in the bag :p). my cost was just over $900 after trading in the 10D, can't complain as they also transfered the 10D extended warranty onto the 20D. picked up a few other things too.
thx again for the heads up on the kelby book, i'd still be using PS for just the basic functions
major hickman emailed me that he'll be back with the viper demo team, that should be fun since he owes me large.
btw, thought this might interest you, 1/20 th shutter speed, racing.
http://www.fredmiranda.com/forum/topic/216502/0
cheers ...
(http://ca.geocities.com/ereid@rogers.com/gear.jpg)
Wow, fantastic! You're going to love the 20D. Its processing so fast, you'll probably never shoot Jpegs again :)
There have been some to complain on the fit of the 20D's battery grip. Before I even knew of those complaints, I used a gasket maker (Permatex's The Right Stuff) and ran a thin bead around the perimeter, being careful around the contact area of the CF door. I just didn't want my persperation and dirt turning into a mud and getting between the grip and camera. If I ever need to take the grip off, I can just cut through it with an Xacto knife. It really feels as if it's one solid piece.
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Originally posted by spitfiremkv
just downloaded Gimp. It is a pretty impressive package. I haven't used Photoshop in years, so I'm not familiar with the latest feature. Can someone explain to me what Photoshop has that Gimp doesn't that makes it worth to pay for?
Where'd ya get it?
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I posted the link earlier, duh..
http://www.gimp.org/windows/
Gimp lacks a couple funny features, most importantly liquify which is cool if you want to make morphed images.
For general imaging gimps price/performance ratio just can't be beaten.
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I saw it has approximately the same filters Photoshop had when I was using it.
Also the interface is very simlar, which makes transition from Photoshop a breeze.