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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: SunTracker on May 10, 2005, 02:42:10 PM
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Link: http://www.flightlevel350.com/public_viewer.php?cat=132&pic=2738
This has to be the most maneuverable fighter jet in the world. Considering pilots equal, I think this plane could kill any other plane in a within-visual-range fight.
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And hundreds of civilans watching the annual russian livbe-action ejection seat deomstrations.
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Originally posted by SunTracker
Link: http://www.flightlevel350.com/public_viewer.php?cat=132&pic=2738
This has to be the most maneuverable fighter jet in the world. Considering pilots equal, I think this plane could kill any other plane in a within-visual-range fight.
Planes with thrust vectoring can out manuever it. Su-34 and F-22 come to mind.
Fighters like the Swedish Gripen, Eurofighter Typhoon and the French Rafael all have forward canards just like the Su-30 does, they should be able to maneuver with it.
*edit* ooops meant to mention this: Thats a sweet video, cant recall the name of the maneveur where they go nose up in a very high angle of attack. Had heard it described before but never saw it. Thanks for the video :)
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Why does Grünhertz sound like a barking dog to me?
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Because you have the intellect of a dog yourself?
I bet your mother does not even like you.
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I think Staga should get his head checked out, his computer monitor is barking to him...
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Because you have the intellect of a dog yourself?
I bet your mother does not even like you.
ROFL
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I also noticed that typical Soviet-Russian fighter aircrafts can do some 'unorthodox' manuvers.
Try that with any western aircraft and they'll flame-out.
Avionics... NATO standard still rules
Western engines can rack up more hours, but costly and too complex to maintain. Russian engines are simple, delivers reasonable thrust, but replaced 10x more than Westerners.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Because you have the intellect of a dog yourself?
I bet your mother does not even like you.
Propably not; she's in hospital recovering an operation and I haven't been seeing her in couple days.
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Originally posted by Elfie
Fighters like the Swedish Gripen, Eurofighter Typhoon and the French Rafael all have forward canards just like the Su-30 does, they should be able to maneuver with it.
The canards of the SU-30 are pretty small. I think the relaxed stability is a bigger issue in it's manouverability. I wouldn't be surprised if the planes you mentioned can manouver with it, even if their FBW-software doesn't allow the execution of a "cobra".
I'm not actually too sure if the plane in the video is infact the SU-30 or the SU-37 which has thrust vectoring.
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Originally posted by Elfie
*edit* ooops meant to mention this: Thats a sweet video, cant recall the name of the maneveur where they go nose up in a very high angle of attack. Had heard it described before but never saw it. Thanks for the video :)
The Cobra.
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The video is really cool, but part of me could only think about popping him in an La7 as he floated around in the air almost motionless .
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It's Pugachev's Cobra to be precise. Carry on. :p
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Planes with thrust vectoring can out manuever it. Su-34 and F-22 come to mind.
Wrong.
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The Cobra is where you hang motionless in the air allowing your enemy to get a good lock on you.
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Originally posted by SunTracker
Wrong.
The Raptor would win with one claw tied behinds it's back!
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Originally posted by mora
I'm not actually too sure if the plane in the video is infact the SU-30 or the SU-37 which has thrust vectoring.
That thing had to have thrust vectoring. I see no other way it would be able to hang like it was. Not too mention controlled flat spins and tail slides.
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Other nations are not designing planes like the USAF's F-22. Is it because other nations now have a "secret" that can detect the so-called stealth airframes?
(PS Just my conspiracy theory)
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Originally posted by 1K3
Other nations are not designing planes like the USAF's F-22. Is it because other nations now have a "secret" that can detect the so-called stealth airframes?
(PS Just my conspiracy theory)
no, it's because they really don't have the money or the ability or the need.
The F-22 is not as stealthy as is possible anyway.
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From what I hear, the new Typhoon (http://www.eurofighter.starstreak.net/) is badass... sustained 9+G
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Great, ty!
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Originally posted by SunTracker
Link: http://www.flightlevel350.com/public_viewer.php?cat=132&pic=2738
This has to be the most maneuverable fighter jet in the world. Considering pilots equal, I think this plane could kill any other plane in a within-visual-range fight.
Every cessna and piper cub driver in the free world fears meeting up with one of these.
;)
Now, on with reality.. Soviet airframes, weapons and avionics are not to be sneered at. They built very good fighters with air to air track and target systems we wished we had. Another case where american propaganda woulda got a whole buncha overconfident NATO pilots deader 'n doornails if the bear decided to romp across europe in 1988.
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Current Eurofighter Typhoon looks like a relic from the 1970s (just kidding :p)
A little bit more of organic blended wing body design and adding twin tail that is similar to F/A-18 and you have...
Voila! A European version of the Raptor:)
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The F-22 has internal thrust vectoring, while Russian aircraft have external. Internal thrust vectoring provides less radar signature, but also reduced performance.
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If someone has a "phat pipe" I have 400mb of Sukhoi goodness including vids:
Su-27 in action
Su-35 multirole
Su-27SK
Su-27 proto
Su-35/ Su-37
Su-33 navy version
Su-35UB multirole
Su-27KUB Navy 2 seater
Su-30MK multirole 2 seater
Russian Knights aerobatics
Testpilots & Aerobatics
or try torrent link (http://www.piratebay.org/download.php/3296771/Su-27%20Family.torrent).
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<-- trying not to comment on the "phat pipe" thing...
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Gave all outgoing bandwidth to Azureus but I need to throttle it back later; I hope those whos d'load is complete keeps sharing those files.
Edit: Those are DAT-files; they work at least in Media Player 10, DivX Player (Maya), Nero Show Time and some software DVD players; you can also burn them to CDs as VCD files if you like.
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Don't worry; they're work in just about every software videoplayer.
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Kinda; at least you can rename them to mpg's and they will work as well.
edit: looks like they're basically VCD's.
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Originally posted by GScholz
dat files?
in fact it's Mpeg
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That was nothing short of amazing.. Thanks for the vids :)
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I need a copy of the SUs vid!
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Estimated time of download was 27 hours.
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Strange; I'm seeding 90kB/s and been doing that whole day...
People please keep your torrents shared so others can see the flicks too.
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What's a good and simple, no BS or spyware program for torrents?
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Been using Azureus (http://azureus.sourceforge.net/); simple to use, has plenty of options and is updated regularly.
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Only three seeds....
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That's two more than what it was when I begun to seed so consider yourself lucky :)
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Originally posted by GScholz
The SU-30MK (the one with the canards since the regular Su-30 has none) has thrust vectoring. Unlike the Raptor the Su-30MK has 2D thrust vectoring (pitch and yaw), not just 1D (pitch). Almost all the technology used in the Su-35 technology demonstrator is incorporated into the Su-30MK/MKI/MKK.
From what I understand the Raptor was only given 1d thrust vectoring (pitch) because the roll rate of the Raptor is incredible. Could be wrong on that, saw it on a show on the military channel ;)
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Originally posted by SunTracker
The F-22 has internal thrust vectoring, while Russian aircraft have external. Internal thrust vectoring provides less radar signature, but also reduced performance.
Not sure what you mean by internal/external thrust vectoring.
The F-22 uses the exhaust nozzles to change the direction of thrust coming from the engines. ie, the nozzles themselves move up/down and are on the outside of the plane. Dont really know about the Russian version of thrust vectoring except it works in both yaw and pitch.
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(http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/photo/Fleet/Small/EC94-42513-3.jpg)
The actual tailpipe of these aircraft move. On the F-22, the thrust vectoring occurs inside the aircraft.
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Some Su30MkI info
http://vayu-sena.tripod.com/info-su30mki.html
Nice photos
http://spacetrans.tripod.com/gallery-su30mki.html
Paris Air show -99
http://aeroweb.lucia.it/~agretch/RAFAQ/display.html
http://aeroweb.lucia.it/~agretch/Movies.html
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Originally posted by SunTracker
(http://www.dfrc.nasa.gov/gallery/photo/Fleet/Small/EC94-42513-3.jpg)
The actual tailpipe of these aircraft move. On the F-22, the thrust vectoring occurs inside the aircraft.
The tail pipes on the F-22 moves as well. I'm assuming by tail pipe you mean the tail end of the engine assembly which is the exhaust nozzels on jet engines.
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Shutting down the systems for night; I hope those who d'loaded the Sukhoi vids will continue seeding if they can. I'll continue at the morning.
Already uploaded +2Gb.
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The square part (for lack of a better term) at the back of the F-22 doesnt move. There is a thrust nozzle inside of that square exhaust shield though that does move. I believe its limited to a 20 degree field of movement.
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Originally posted by SunTracker
The square part (for lack of a better term) at the back of the F-22 doesnt move. There is a thrust nozzle inside of that square exhaust shield though that does move. I believe its limited to a 20 degree field of movement.
I'm pretty sure the entire exhaust nozzle on the Raptor moves, at least it appeared that way in the show on the military channel. I could be wrong though, been awhile since I saw the show, do you have any links?
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That black one looks like a transformer!
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Ok, so the entire nozzle doesnt move, just the upper and lower parts. The sides arent designed to move since the designers didnt feel that yaw TV wasnt needed with the Raptor.
Thanks for the pics GS, been looking for information about TV as it applies to the Raptor but it's very scarce.
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Originally posted by GScholz
Search for the Pratt & Whitney F119-PW-100 instead, since the nozzle is a part of the engine and not the airframe.
Ooooooo, good idea! :D
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Originally posted by GScholz
The F-22 engine nozzles move.
(http://www.geocities.com/jiyangc/engine.jpg)
(http://www.geocities.com/jiyangc/engine2.jpg)
That second picture with the afterburner lit......I wonder just how they made that thing sit still, in afterburner the engine puts out something like 39,000 lbs of thrust....
The pic shows some sort of tie downs, but they look awfully frail considering how much thrust that engine puts out.
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Very well could be right about the fuel and power lines. As far as the test bed it's mounted on, it has to be secured somehow. That pic doesnt really show that though.
During my time in the AF I occasionally got to see F-4E's and later on F-15A/B's on the *tie down pad* where the engines were run up to full afterburner. Even though the planes were tied down, you could see them straining to get loose. F-4/F-15 engines arent nearly as powerful as this one. So I have difficulty imagining what it takes to ensure it doesnt achieve flight. ;)
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Originally posted by Staga
Been using Azureus (http://azureus.sourceforge.net/); simple to use, has plenty of options and is updated regularly.
OK, got it up and I'm now DL'ing. It's kinda slow though, and I also get this error message. (http://www.saunalahti.fi/anttruok/azureus.jpg) Any idea what's up with that?
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Originally posted by mora
OK, got it up and I'm now DL'ing. It's kinda slow though, and I also get this error message. (http://www.saunalahti.fi/anttruok/azureus.jpg) Any idea what's up with that?
No se tarkoittaa sitä, että muut peerit ja seedit ei saa yhteyttä koneelles. Syy voi olla palomuuri tai ISP:n NAT tms. Imutus onnistuu kyllä noinkin, mutta on yleensä hitaampaa.
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Originally posted by 1K3
Other nations are not designing planes like the USAF's F-22. Is it because other nations now have a "secret" that can detect the so-called stealth airframes?
(PS Just my conspiracy theory)
"stealth" stuff is just popular thing for wide public. Its obsolete.
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Ai se oli Mora...
Mä jo ihmettelin kuka h...vetti viellä käyttää modeemia kun katselin uploadspeediä :D
Nostin hiukka uploadia mutta oon näköjään taas ainoa seedaaja.
Jos sulla on ongelmia downloadata sitä Azureuksella niin mä paan FTP-servun pystyyn niin imuta suoraan mun koneelta.
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Kiitti, nyt tulee varsin vauhdikkaasti.
Kiinnostaisko tämmönen matsku (http://www.saunalahti.fi/anttruok/books.jpg)? Vois kokeilla itsekin tuota torrentin tekoa.
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Kiinnostaa kyllä; mistäs noita on saanut?
Torrenttien teko on aika simppeliä, azureus osaa sen hyvin ja sitten pitää vain itse torrent-filu uploadata trakkerille kuten esim toi ruotsalainen piratebay.
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Originally posted by GScholz
The F-22 engine nozzles move.
(http://www.geocities.com/jiyangc/engine.jpg)
(http://www.geocities.com/jiyangc/engine2.jpg)
I had a good look at one of those once. The details on that thing are amazing. You can see how some of the UFO kooks think we have captured alien technology.
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Okei nyt tuli tuo su-paketti, mutta kansion sisällä on vaan .dat filuja.. Pitäskö tuo purkaa jotenkin?
Otin noi jutut joskus emuulista. Pistän torrentiksi, jos vaan onnistun. Ei vaan tuon PB:n toiminta oikeen avautunut pikaisella vilkaisulla.
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Siis nuo datit taitavat olla tavallisia mpeg2-videoita, pitäisi toimia kun pudotat (drag & drop) johonkin mediasoittimeen, ei tarvi mitenkään erikseen purkaa...
edit: have you guys (meaning the Finns) downloaded "Grendel's aviation dvd" torrent?
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Mora ne aukee vaikka Winukan Mediaplayerillä tai melkein millä vaan; voit myös vaihtaa päätteen mpg'ksi ja pitäsi aueta suoraan johonkin kyvykkääseen soittimeen.
Mulla tosin ainakin Winamp bugitti.
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Torrenttien teko:
Azureuksesta ylänurkasta "Tiedosto-> Luo Torrent tiedosto". Rasti ruutuun "Käytä ulkoista trackeria" ja trackerin osoitteeksi http://tracker.prq.to/announce ja seuraa ohjeita. Softa luo torrent-tiedoston joka uploadataan piratebayn saitille klikkaamalla linkkiä "Ladda up" sen niiden logon alla vasemmassa ylänurkassa.
Sitten vaan kirjoitat vaikka engelskaksi jonkun kuvaavan nimen tiedostolle sekä lyhyt selitys. Ei taida ilmestyä niiden julkiselle listalle ennenkuin aloitat sen jakamisen ja joku alkaa sitä imuttamaan.
Se on siinä.
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Originally posted by SunTracker
I think this plane could kill any other plane in a within-visual-range fight.
If you're there, you didn't plan it very well.....
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Tässäpä (http://www.piratebay.org/download.php/3330531/aviation%20books.torrent) tämä nyt sitten on. Mulla on aika läjä ilmailuaiheisia videoita kovolla joita voisin myös jakaa, mutta mulla ei ole oikeen mahdollisuutta pitää konetta 24/7 päällä. Tästähän voisi aloittaa vaikka uuden ketjun tuolla suomifoorumilla.
Panzzer, en ole mutta kiinnostaa kyllä.
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Joo kyllä mullakin kone sammuu hieman ennenkuin simmut menee kiinni mutta kelläs tässä mikään kiire on, maailma on valmis... :)