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Help and Support Forums => Aces High Bug Reports => Topic started by: ImNutz on May 10, 2005, 11:28:39 PM
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WTF is up with the super panzers lately?
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My Whine is this....Im in a tiger have panzer in my sites 2 on turret range.
I fire 1- hit (nothing)
fire 2- (bounses off)
fire 3- ( nother direct hit and nothing)
fire 4- (Bounces off again)
he then find me with his turret fires 1 (my turret is out)
i start engine
(fire 2 he misses)
I start to move,
He fires #3 bang i explode...WTF!!!!!!
His hit where on the front of my tiger!
All my hits where 2 on his turret and 2 on his left side
67 points shot because of a super panzer!!!!
what is up with this
and dont scream connection im on a T1
here is my puter specs:
Processor
Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor
550 with HT Technology
Operating System
Microsoft® Windows®
XP Home Edition
Memory
1GB Dual Channel DDR2
PC-4200 SDRAM 533MHz
Hard Drive
160GB 7200 RPM
SATA w/8MB Cache
Graphics Processor
NVIDIA® GeForce™ 6800 GT
PCI Express 256MB DDR3
Sound Card
Creative Sound Blaster®
Audigy® 2 ZS 7.1 HD Audio
WTF do Veterans get a bonus armour rating or some thing? stronger than usual?
Noobs get tin can ratings?
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Originally posted by ImNutz
WTF is up with the super panzers lately?
(eg.)
My Whine is this....Im in a tiger have panzer in my sites 2 on turret range.
A Tiger IS a super panzer
I fire 1- hit (nothing)
fire 2- (bounses off)
fire 3- ( nother direct hit and nothing)
fire 4- (Bounces off again)
You are probably hitting him at an oblique angle.
he then find me with his turret fires 1 (my turret is out)
i start engine
(fire 2 he misses)
I start to move,
He fires #3 bang i explode...WTF!!!!!!
His hit where on the front of my tiger!
All my hits where 2 on his turret and 2 on his left side
He probably had a good angle on you i.e. 90 degrees
67 points shot because of a super panzer!!!!
You pays your perky points and you takes your chances
Processor
Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor
550 with HT Technology
Minimum specs are for a P850.
WTF do Veterans get a bonus armour rating or some thing? stronger than usual?
Noobs get tin can ratings?
Yes to both. It's so they can listen to the Noobs whine when their uber what ever dies, that they thought was indestructable and would slaughter everything. Here (http://www.hitechcreations.com/htcindex.html)
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"Processor
Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor
550 with HT Technology
Minimum specs are for a P850."
The P4 550 HT is rated at 3.40 GHz Clock Speed, so it far exceeds the min system requirements. So it's not that.
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Min specs are for a PIII 850. He has a P4. I think it passes. :)
However, the man is right. You pays yer perks, you takes yer chances.
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First off! try to answer the question.
your answer- A Tiger IS a super panzer
NO DUH REALLY? he was in panzer NOT TIGER!
your answer- You are probably hitting him at an oblique angle.
ummm no he was like 50m in front of me Duh! What angle? were both on same level of ground! His left side to my front!
Your answer- He probably had a good angle on you i.e. 90 degrees
No he was RIGTH IN FRONT OF ME!!!!!! you know the front of my tiger!
not the side, rear, left rear ,right rear etc.. right in front..your
explanation has no merit!
your answer- You pays your perky points and you takes your chances
I know this but ill tell you what how about we goto any base ill bring a p40 you bring a 262 but you have to start on the deck ill already be flying you have to just TAKE YOUR CHANCES AGAINST A P-40 OVER YOU AIRFIELD AS YOU TRY OT LIFE OFF WITH YOUR 262!
Hmmm dont think you would do this just as i wouldnt take a m3 againt a panzer to fight it....umm i used the tiger beacause it is SUPPOSE TO HAVE THE ADVANTAGE.....You know THICKER ARMOUR BIGGER CANNON 125mm DUHHHHHH!
Processor
Intel® Pentium® 4 Processor
550 with HT Technology
your answer-Minimum specs are for a P850
if you knew any thing about puters you would see the spec set up
My computer is a ALIENWARE area51- 5500 model
my lowest frame rate ever in AH was 59 i Run at 95 most of the time
video cards and connect speed also decide the game play not just your prossesers!
my computer is a $2000 gamer not your pathetic HP 128mb $799 model!
850- lol yea in my 1999 dell desktop i had!
And as far as indestructable and would slaughter everything comment... Only an idiot would believe that. i've lost my fair share of tigers to bombers ,jabo's and yea panzer that have hit me in the soft end( rear) or when ive been tracked!
My complaint is Legitimate for ah2 bug report
as im at it ill report the 4 shots in my panzer it took to kill an m-16 last night at v-125 at point blank range
It when the other way for me too!!!
When i killed a tiger this morning with 2 shots into the rear of it from an m-8
Im sure that guy would like to know WTF as well!
something is messed up in the modeling and need to be investigated by htc
my complaint has merit
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I think he's Nutz
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Next we will hear it was an LTAR and all will be made clear.
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>>I think he's Nutz<<
LOL!!!
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the tiger main gun is 88mm not 125 mm.
There is something funky about the armor still. For example, how does an 88mm ap round bounce off a m3 at 400 yards? In the game you have to know where to hit someone. Many times a shot to certain areas will bounce or hit but do no damage everytime. In reality this would be disabling or killing shots but it's not the case in this game. Another example would be hitting most any tank in the drive sprocket does no damage. In reality it would track it at a minimum. It isn't right but it is what it is. My only advice is to learn the kill spots and hit those instead of freaking out here.
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Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
the tiger main gun is 88mm not 125 mm.
There is something funky about the armor still. For example, how does an 88mm ap round bounce off a m3 at 400 yards? In the game you have to know where to hit someone. Many times a shot to certain areas will bounce or hit but do no damage everytime. In reality this would be disabling or killing shots but it's not the case in this game. Another example would be hitting most any tank in the drive sprocket does no damage. In reality it would track it at a minimum. It isn't right but it is what it is. My only advice is to learn the kill spots and hit those instead of freaking out here.
other week, I was in a tiger vs. tiger fight. I shot, and hit, that nme tiger well over 50 times from roughly 2k out. Almost all shells bounced off, but I was hitting it. I was lucky, as I had just tracked said tiger when I was in a manned ack. I drove off to the rearm pad, and came back and hit it another 4-5 times, when a Jabo dove in w/ eggs and killed 'em.
Was it's HT's modelling of the Tiger that's at fault? No, I dont' think so. Tho' one would think that 50+ shells would do SOME damage to it. Was it my aim? Yup. I was HITTING the Tiger, just not in the right spot.
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Originally posted by rabbidrabbit
the tiger main gun is 88mm not 125 mm.
There is something funky about the armor still. For example, how does an 88mm ap round bounce off a m3 at 400 yards? In the game you have to know where to hit someone. Many times a shot to certain areas will bounce or hit but do no damage everytime. In reality this would be disabling or killing shots but it's not the case in this game. Another example would be hitting most any tank in the drive sprocket does no damage. In reality it would track it at a minimum. It isn't right but it is what it is. My only advice is to learn the kill spots and hit those instead of freaking out here.
For the M3 example, it probably wouldnt bounce off, but it might go right through. That big AP round would tear through an M3 like paper and probably never detonate. HE would be much more effective.
I point this out because I wonder if the original poster made sure of his ammo loadout? I've done that before, took a tiger and forgot to load AP rounds. Shooting Panzers with HE doesnt do much damage. Vise versa for shooting buildings with AP. Heck, I messed up last night, got 4 hits on a moving Panzer at a pretty good range, couldnt figure why there was no damage. Then I realized I was shooting smoke rounds. :o
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Most if not all AP rounds have no explosive charge. The Kinetic energy the round imparts on its target is what does the damage. Even so, the round would show a hit and keep on going if that was the case. In my example the round bounced off and shot up into the sky. Your right, an AP round should go right through light skinned vehicles almost every time and it should be either damaged or destroyed depending on where it was hit.
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Originally posted by ImNutz
my computer is a $2000 gamer not your pathetic HP 128mb $799 model!
Gee....you need to add about $1000 to that guess :D
See Ya Up
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Originally posted by Lye-El
Gee....you need to add about $1000 to that guess :D
See Ya Up
So you have an $1800 HP? :eek:
I'd say both of yas got screwed, I'm doing as well as either one of ya with my $600 home made special.
:p
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Originally posted by ImNutz
my computer is a $2000 gamer not your pathetic HP 128mb $799 model!
OH yeah? Well my computer can beat up your computer and I only paid $1537 bucks for it delivered. :rolleyes:
Woof
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what does all this have to do with vehicle armor?
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this is why most people wont post !
In stead of getting a real answer all they get is Insults, called names, told there stupid or whatever..and even Questioned about there system....my orgiinal post was for a real htc employee!
as far as those saying my system is not what i say it is! i smell a hint of "I WISH I HAD ONE!"
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Originally posted by ImNutz
this is why most people wont post !
Who says most people won't post? That's ridiculous. What are you... like 9 years old or something?
In stead of getting a real answer all they get is Insults, called names, told there stupid or whatever..and even Questioned about there system....my orgiinal post was for a real htc employee!
I think it's interesting that you are the one saying things like "if you knew anything about computers" or "your pathetic HP" and then complaining about insults. Man up Dude.
as far as those saying my system is not what i say it is! i smell a hint of "I WISH I HAD ONE!"
Well... I'm just glad I have an AMD. :rolleyes:
Woof
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:rolleyes:
whatever!
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ummm no he was like 50m in front of me Duh! What angle? were both on same level of ground! His left side to my front!
No he was RIGTH IN FRONT OF ME!!!!!! you know the front of my tiger!
not the side, rear, left rear ,right rear etc.. right in front..your
explanation has no merit!
I know this but ill tell you what how about we goto any base ill bring a p40 you bring a 262 but you have to start on the deck ill already be flying you have to just TAKE YOUR CHANCES AGAINST A P-40 OVER YOU AIRFIELD AS YOU TRY OT LIFE OFF WITH YOUR 262!
Hmmm dont think you would do this just as i wouldnt take a m3 againt a panzer to fight it....umm i used the tiger beacause it is SUPPOSE TO HAVE THE ADVANTAGE.....You know THICKER ARMOUR BIGGER CANNON 125mm DUHHHHHH!
this is why most people wont post !
In stead of getting a real answer all they get is Insults, called names, told there stupid or whatever..and even Questioned about there system....my orgiinal post was for a real htc employee!
You brought it on yourself by posting this in a form of a whine (not a bug report), insulting other users, screaming like a 14 year old girl in heat (believe me, I know. Look at my sig.), and not checking if this had been reported before.
And I'm going to scream connection. It might not be yours, but the other user's. The internet has more than one dimension.
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Same problems different day.
Maybe if we keep posting about the GV bugs something will get done about them (eventually).
Can confirm the M3 bouncy rounds, happens on a regular basis.
I've bounced Tiger and Panzer rounds off M3's at d400 and less, sounds like BS to me.
Something is definately weird regarding the hit/damage model.
Killed a Panzer with a Panzer at d3200, 1 shot to turret, one rolls out from behind hill, perfect side shot at d800, NADA.
In fact I have killed Panzers with a Tiger at ranges exceeding d5000!!!!
This is far better than ANY of the current 'super tanks' (Challenger, M1) can do. In fact the record is held by a Challenger during the Gulf War (Round 1) where an Iraqi tank was killed at a little over 3 kilometers.
Some guy killed a Panzer or Tiger with his .45 after bailing out. This is starting to get into the realms of fantasy, what happened to the 'simulation' side of things.
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I kill any tiger within 900 that doesnt kill me first. He knew where to shoot you. Tigers have weak spots and can be killed with one shot if you know them. 1 shot turret kills are easy, then 1 or 2 more kill the tank. A fuel tank hit at close range is a 1 shot kill. Since the turret is an easier target, I'll go for it first, then kill him at my leisure when he's helpless
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You can fire hundred rounds into an armoured surface and not be able to inflict damage, if the angle is wrong. The impact of AP hits are not cumulative.
However, there are cases where you fire many shots into an enemy tank and they do not bounce. Apparently the enemy tank did not receive any damage. A friendly tank comes in from another angle, and blows him up with one shot - but you get the kill.
In this case, I can only presume that the shells fired did not penetrate, but did not bounce either. Since it didn't do any damage, the shells probably lodged itself in the middle of the armoured plate. The enemy tank is fine.
However, when the 'determine who killed it' code comes to work upon the target's destruction, these 'lodged' shots will count as 'damage points' to the person who fired at it, and thus, the code will determine that the guy who did not do any damage, but hammered in more AP rounds which failed to penetrate, as the winner, instead of the guy who fired a single round and penetrated, thus, killed the target.
It's probably a flaw of the coding that awards kills, rather than a flaw in the armour model. As of yet, when it comes down to tank vs tank battles, I've never, ever seen or experienced anything inexplicable. (except possibly the undamaged sprockets or stuff as some might pointout - which probably comes from the fact that the tank DM isn't as detailed as plane DM)
As for the AP shots bouncing off unarmoured targets(not puncturing, but actually bounding) - well, got no explanation for that one. Maybe the modelling for light GVs aren't as complex as tanks, and some discrepancy between the two models cause wierd happenings. Most experienced tankers recommend HE shots to kill M-16s or LVTs, instead of AP shots.
Other than that, tank vs tank, anything can happen. And just because it is unexpected doesn't immediately mean its wrong.
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Kweassa - A previous patch was 'supposed' to make hits cumulative.
As for the bouncy rounds on soft skinned vehicles - I think it actaully shows that there IS a flaw in the hit/damage model. The actual modelling of soft skinned vehicles may be less than tanks, but I would assume they share the same hit detection routine as tanks etc.
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I too have had the problem of a tigers 88MM a.p. shells bouncing off an M-3 at point blank ranges fired from it's 6 O'Clock, when it should always sizzle through the vehicle. I have had problems with tiger on panzer battles from over 1000 yards I.E. my panzer will not penetrate the tigers armour as effectively from greater ranges - thats my shot placement. I have killed numerous tigers with a panzer from ranges under 1000, some with one shot - thats also my shot placement. I feel that most, if not all the problems with tank on tank battles is shot placement not a model problem. But I agree the light skinned vehicles & ricochets is a problem as well as a.p. to the drive wheels doing nothing from point blank ranges. Also,50+ hits on a WWII era tank could rattle a tank apart.....or it could do nothing at all, it all depends on where the shots hit & at what angle & the thickness of the armour & the calibre of the shell hitting it & the ambient temperatures of the air etc. etc. etc.
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According to the engine temp gauges, the air is 0 degrees C. :lol
Yes, I know gauges only work when the engine is started in RL, but shouldn't it jump to the air temperature?
Okay, back to the topic. :rolleyes:
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Most of my time is spent in tanks, I only up fighters when a vh is down, or to kill strats at a base. When I up a bomber, its usually to prep a base for capture. (I'm FryLock btw) I'm not sure what, if anything, the original poster here got out of all of this. I hope he realizes two things:
1. Panzers can kill Tigers at close range. Beyond 1000 their rounds lack the kinetic energy to punch through a Tigers armor. Within 1000, shot placement is still necessary.
2. Weird stuff happens in this game. Anyone who spends enough time in GV's can tell you stories of ridiculous things that happen defying all convention and logic. It happens. One such is the guy who said he killed a tiger w/ 2 shots from an M-8. If I were you, I wouldnt make a habit of tiger hunting with M-8's, I think you'll be disappointed on a regular basis.
Now to the REAL GV MODELING PROBLEM:
How many times have you stalked, outmanuevered, and outshot an opponent in a seemingly undamaged tank, only to get an assist? Some guy in a Spit IV gets the kill having strafed the tank a couple of times? What if that tank is a Tiger? How is it that a 20mm's get credit for the kill when you know a T-34 won't kill a Tiger no matter how many times you shoot him? I've gotten to where I won't bother with a tank thats been strafed because I know it's 'pointless'.
It's an issue of risk as well. I'm placing my tank at risk when I engage him, especially panzer vs tiger. It's not fair that someone in a fighter gets that kill. I strafed a tiger ONCE with a fighter and after Fredtex killed him, I got credit for the kill. Many players take advantage of this bug. They score as attack, fly over a GV battle and strafe as many as they can. They then fly off and circle, waiting for the tankers to finish their job.
A 20 or 30mm cannon (WWII Vintage) is not going to kill a tank. But rather than debate that look at it this way, if the tank is still fully operable when you blow his tuuret off, then there is no way the fighter should be given credit for the kill.
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If you want to steal kills use 30 of 50 cals.. the number of hits counts more than the ord used.
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They've actually refined it to the degree they know something like that . . .
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I don't but have had it done enough to me . Its the same with aircraft. The number of hits matters quite a bit.
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Yes it's true,it happens & it's irritating (I've seen people bring m-16's to spawn points for that reason). But I feel there really is a problem w/ the light skinned vehicles modeling,the freak things happen on way too many occasions with them.
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new everyday. I had no idea how that worked. Irritating in the least, and sometimes downright aggravating enough to make me play some other game. As far as the M-16 thing goes, I wouldn't mind that so much because I figure they won't be around long enough to actually land any of them anyway :). The new spawn radius has made all of that much more difficult, and makes the game alot better.