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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: CrzyMonk on May 11, 2005, 04:58:23 PM
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Just an opinon. While not the best in any one category, it is good in almost all. It has great climb, excellent endurance (with the drop tank) solid gun package, deceptive turning capability at medium speeds (ie. slashing) solid WEP, and can do alright in a quick stall fight if needed. I have just recently been flying the bird and am really liking it.
Just curious what everyone else thinks or what plane you would put up here....
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I really like it for Jabo type missions.
I am not a very good dogfighter but I like to take it high and swoop in with the big bomb.
It seems good as a BnZ fighter with the big cannons.
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The 109F is a good plane, but there isn't anything I can do in it that I can't do better in a 38. I used to fly it back when the perk limiter was on full and the high ENY PJ wasn't in the game.
But it's definitely up near the top of the list for medium speed TnBers. Fast enough to BnZ and reverse, but agile enough to out turn the real speeders like the 51, dora, typh, and yak.
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I have doubts about the "solid gun package". I think it's firepower is somewhat weak compared to most. But would agree with you that overall, it's a very good plane.
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Originally posted by SuperDud
I have doubts about the "solid gun package". I think it's firepower is somewhat weak compared to most. But would agree with you that overall, it's a very good plane.
Base gun package is not that good....I meant with the gondolas. Sorry about that. I haven't spent too much time in the 38, but would like to learn how to fly that better.
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Imho the most underrated plane in the set is P47 D25.
It is sooo much more manouverable then anyone expects it to be. You can E fight with the best of em and no one expects you to E fight. Everyone expects a BnZ nothing more.
Tex
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i agree that the 109F is much better than expected.
IMO the 47D25 is trash compared to D11 or D40
but the MOST underated plane is the P40E.
a well flown P40E beats anything in an equal fight apart from zekes, hurricanes and spits.
even the spit mk9 will have a hard time killing a well flown 40E.
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bat
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SHHHHHHHHH dont tell everyone! :(
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I never can get into luftwaffle planes. I guess im to unexpeirenced to handle it.
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the 109f is an ok plane
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Originally posted by Eagler
the 109f is an ok plane
ok ok!!! you should be takin out back and shot. Fanze is the best over all plane it has good everything.
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it is too slow against many rides to be found in AH
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109F sucks. stay away from it.
I personally would never be caught dead in a 109F
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Originally posted by TrueKill
ok ok!!! you should be takin out back and shot. Fanze is the best over all plane it has good everything.
poor man's Spit V
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The D25, you say? ........hmmmm......I'm gonn ahave to give it a good try. Thanks for spillin th beans.
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Originally posted by slimm50
The D25, you say? ........hmmmm......I'm gonn ahave to give it a good try. Thanks for spillin th beans.
its slower than the d11 though.....
the d25 is just like the g6 is in the 109 series.... a heavyer g2 with no other "real" improvements hence its slower, turns worse etc etc.....
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Mc202 is most underrated plane.
It can outfly most of the mid and later-war planes, but not the late uber rides.
Thing with it that nobody cares for is you have to get a good guns solution and fire til the enemy is dead. What with hizookas in 1-ping kills from any angle, nobody wants to use 2x50cal for kills. But the plane itself is good. Mc205 I don't like as much (something about it) but it competes better with later war rides (better, not on even ground)
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the d25 is just like the g6 is in the 109 series.... a heavyer g2 with no other "real" improvements hence its slower, turns worse etc etc.....
I wouldnt really agree.
I cant put my fingers on exactly what it is that makes it feel better then the D40 but... it feels like it manouvers better, its a bit more unstable which could be what I like..
Im to much of a dweeb to yet be able to exactly say what it is I like better about it.
Though compared to the D11 its the better accel and better views that make me like it better.
Tex
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Originally posted by Krusty
Mc202 is most underrated plane.
Mc205 I don't like as much (something about it) but it competes better with later war rides (better, not on even ground)
I'll go with the 205 as the most underrated plane. Can climb out of most problems. Solid gun package (think it matches the D-9s guns). I don't think it turns like the 202 does.
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205 has better than D9's gun package. I rate the Italian guns as second only to hispanos. About par with US M2, better than all IJA/N stuff, way better than LW stuff (IMHO).
I think it has more power so it just wants to turn wider... 202 has much less power so you slush through a turn at slower speed (which, like the P40, will get you a tighter turn radius sometimes), but that doesn't mean it turns any less, just turns without slowing so much hehhehheh
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Uhh the wing cannon in C205 are identical to german MG151 20mm cannon in 190.
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Franz is a good plane - about the comparison to Pellik's 38, the 109F is a much smaller target.
Underrated IMHO is the La5. It's only major drawback is it's range (and that annoying slat sound).
one of the best climb rates below 10K (where most of the fights end up)
Great roll rate
accelerates with the best
Excellent speed below 10K
Out turns anything it can't out run (just lay off the rudder when your slow)
Middle of the road E retention (giving good high speed turns)
Plenty of ammo with nose mounted guns that eliminate convergence in the horizontal plane. Also, the inaccuracy of the cannons relative to most other 20MMs is minimized since the new gunnery model has been in place - which dictates geting in close anyway.
It's not an La7:D
Should beat a 109F most fights
I'd also bring up the F6F but I don't think it's underrated as much as it's just not flown much anymore. It seems tougher than a Jug and I was surprised to find that it's marginally faster than a spit9 on the deck.
Magoo
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Like Grun said, wing cannon are Mg 151/20's just like the D9. D9 has 13mm mg's compared to the 205's 12.7mm. D9 guns are marginally better ;)
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The 109F is a fine plane, the problem for me is I can't see very well out of that junglejim they call a cockpit. Its also not true that the G2 and G6 are the same. G6 has better visibility and I don't think the G2 has the 30mm option in the nose.
F6F is a great ride, but I don't think its underestimated with an ENY of 20. LA5 is also a good ride for how it stacks in the MA, but has a nasty snap roll at 175MPH, the guns seem innacurrate with a high level of bullet drop, there are only 2 cannons with a weaker punch than many planes with 2 cannons.
190A5 is pretty underestimated in my opinion. Cannons out the ear and it will out scissor anything around. Very fun to fly.
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Mossie!!:D
High E bleed + quad nose 20mm is great for overshoots.:)
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I fly the 98% of the time, but occasionaly I like to fly something for a change after spending hour-2 hours in it. I tried the franz and I liked except I didnt like its range. I then went to G2 and it seems to me that the G2 moves better than the franz and is faster and higher climb rate. So I have been flying the G2 instead of the franz for a change.
However I think the most underrated plane is the spit and hurri 1s. When BoB was going on, I had been practicing with the spit 1 because that was what my squad was flying (no 152 Hyderbred Squad) was chosen to fly. After flying it in the MA, I found that the bullets were deadly to the 51s, spits, and la7s. The bullets would literally tear apart the wings after about pouring 400 rounds into it. But as times went on after BoB people had been flying more and more BnZ planes like the 51s, 190s, la7s, and 109s and making 1 pass and run so the spit 1 had no chance for a fight with these planes because most planes out ran the spit 1. The only place it was good was furballs but my spit 1 35% of the time got out of it to land.
Hoarach
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Originally posted by Howitzer
LA5 is also a good ride for how it stacks in the MA, but has a nasty snap roll at 175MPH, the guns seem innacurrate with a high level of bullet drop, there are only 2 cannons with a weaker punch than many planes with 2 cannons.
Don't forget how cold it is in Russia. I heard the reason for the extreme amount of play in the cannons is so they won't freeze up.
The Bf109F-4 is my second favorite plane, with the Dora being number one.
Typo
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LMAO - Spits (all Spits) are like fat girls and mopeds...both alot of fun to ride till your friends see you on one:lol
Magoo
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109F is uber for 41, struggles a bit vs the spit 5 untill the 190 comes out then it's the Spit5's turn to struggle.
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I personally like the 109F, While the small caliber munitions in the cowling are only good for light duty, its 20mm is what does the deed. I love this plane:aok
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Originally posted by DaddyAck
I personally like the 109F, While the small caliber munitions in the cowling are only good for light duty, its 20mm is what does the deed. I love this plane:aok
today was good
la7, 7 kills 5 perks
109f4, 1 kill on a la7, 15perks:lol
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Originally posted by TexMurphy
I wouldnt really agree.
I cant put my fingers on exactly what it is that makes it feel better then the D40 but... it feels like it manouvers better, its a bit more unstable which could be what I like..
Im to much of a dweeb to yet be able to exactly say what it is I like better about it.
Though compared to the D11 its the better accel and better views that make me like it better.
Tex
Seems like in general though the Jugs in AH2 handle better than they did in AH1, so I'll just give 'em all a good tryout. I've always been a Pony snob, and perhaps that's blinded me to the best qualities of other rides.
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Originally posted by Overlag
today was good
la7, 7 kills 5 perks
109f4, 1 kill on a la7, 15perks:lol
thats what i love the best got 7 kills in it when the perk bonus was .86 and still got 25.64 perks.
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Originally posted by TrueKill
thats what i love the best got 7 kills in it when the perk bonus was .86 and still got 25.64 perks.
Add to that you never ever have to worry about the ENY limiter
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Add to that you never ever have to worry about the ENY limiter
yes that to
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Problem is (for me, at any rate) that the 109F is more of a 1v1 or 1v2 plane. If you're outnumbered you're stuck. Can't outrun anything. Can't outturn most things. Can't outdive much. Can outclimb some, but there's nowhere to go after a while.
Don't get me wrong I love it. But it does have limitations.
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Originally posted by Krusty
Problem is (for me, at any rate) that the 109F is more of a 1v1 or 1v2 plane. If you're outnumbered you're stuck. Can't outrun anything. Can't outturn most things. Can't outdive much. Can outclimb some, but there's nowhere to go after a while.
Don't get me wrong I love it. But it does have limitations.
Maybe cant outrun much
I dont have alot of problems outturning most things.
then again I try not to think in terms as much as out turning but out manuvering
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109F is one of the finest duelists in the show.
It's a tad worse since the tag was put on it, - many opponents now know like "Ah, it's an F, it won't run" if you see what I mean.
But it turns very well, and is generally nimble, a very enjoyable aircraft. Excellent aircraft for knifefighting US fighters for instance.
The nastiest foe is the Spit V IMHO....