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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: KONG1 on May 13, 2005, 09:44:49 AM
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The question begs asking...discuss.
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there are no atheists in foxholes
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to explain the unexplainable.
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I agree john
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God was created to fill the gap that some adults have when they realize they are accountable for their own actions.
When you're a kid, your parents are watching out for you and responsible for you. Growing up, leaving the nest... it can be frightening for some people to realize that they don't have that safety net.
Inventing the idea of god is comforting, because now that adult can sit back again and know that there is still someone in that parental role.
There are different personality factors that are identified as being significant contributors to risk when flying. Some of them are obvious, like machismo, but others are less apparent yet insidious. Specifically, 'resignation'. A person who exhibits this trait goes through life not feeling that they are actually in control of anything, and 'whatever happens, happens'. There's no real difference between that and 'it's god's will', so there's a pathology associated with certain elements of religion as well.
The first group, the parent-replacement people, they can function effectively in society and it doesn't matter if they believe that some guy with a beard spoke to Adam and at the moment of life, like on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel, spoke with a booming voice and said 'pull my finger'. The ones that I worry about most are the ones who exhibit the traits of resignation. Some of them just sit back and wait for life to happen, but some of them... some of them are ACTIVELY resigned, and go out and push the 'will of god' as they see it on others. Everything from working to have religious doctrine made law to crashing planes into buildings.
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Pull my finger
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Great post, Chairboy.
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Originally posted by Torque
there are no atheists in foxholes
I call BS. I was a Marine from 88-92 and served during the First (short) Gulf War, and was an Atheist. Even when we were hit by mortars.
Also, great post Chairboy.
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This wasn’t meant to be an atheistic question. To say that man created god is not to say god isn’t real.
God is real. As soon as someone believes in something it is made real. The believing affects reality thus creating something real. Whether there is truth in the belief is irrelevant.
Case in point. Man(1) believes in god. Man(2) believes he knows the wishes of god. Man(1) believes Man(2). Thousands die in fire and collapse. Can’t get any more real than that.
Man(a) believes Man(1&2) have a false god. Man(a) believes his god tells him to stop the evil of Man(1&2). Thousands more die. The real deal.
Man(X) believes all this to be a bad thing despite all men doing the good dictated by their god. A tragic reality.
Man(Y) believes all this is ultimately a good thing. God’s way of checking the proliferation of the dominate species thus providing for the balance god dictates. Proving reality sucks.
Man(Z) really doesn’t know what to believe.
Just be careful what you believe
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oh, and keep the faith
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for real.
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Originally posted by KONG1
As soon as someone believes in something it is made real.
I just knew Santa Clause and Bigfoot were real.
I just wonder how global warming and the melting of the polar ice caps will effect will effect Santa's operations.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I just knew Santa Clause and Bigfoot were real.
I just wonder how global warming and the melting of the polar ice caps will effect will effect Santa's operations.
oh no!! santa dressed like curval and sporting new ink. oh the humanity!!!
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Don’t confuse truth and reality. The truth of Santa can be left unresolved. The reality is Santa drives our economy and your portfolio would collapse without him. Millions of Chinese earn a living manufacturing toys, making Santa very real to them. Don’t dis Santa.
The belief, true or not, creates the reality. All the books, movies, and documentaries about bigfoot are certainly real. The money made from them could arguably be imaginary but the goods purchased are real.
The idea of global warming has had very real effects on global politics and policies. People's lives have been changed by global warming, truth or not, making it a very real thing.
Ask the guy burned at the stake during the inquisition if truth of existence is even relevant.
So…why did humans create bigfoot…
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To hide own lameness and rule others.
Religion= political party
end of story.
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Originally posted by KONG1
Don’t confuse truth and reality.
So can I have unreal truth? What does it mean if I have some?
truth n. pl. truths (trthz, trths)
Conformity to fact or actuality.
A statement proven to be or accepted as true.
Sincerity; integrity.
Fidelity to an original or standard.
Reality; actuality.
often Truth That which is considered to be the supreme reality and to have the ultimate meaning and value of existence.
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I think Chairboy hit the nail on the head...that being said, I find it odd that as I get older I become more fatalistic.
shamus
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“Sometimes the things that may or may not be true are the things a man needs to believe in the most. That people are basically good. That honor virtue and courage mean everything; that money and power mean nothing. That good always triumphs over evil. That true love never dies. Doesn’t matter if they’re true or not. A man should believe in those things anyway. Because they are the things worth believing.”
Uncle Hub
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Holden,
Mmmm, a semantic argument, how tedious. I’m not sure I would use either as a modifier of the other. It would be stylistically abhorrent.
But… I’ll play.
In 1616 the church declared the Copernican theory false, declaring the truth to be that the earth doesn’t move.
In 1633 Galileo Galilei under the real threat of death was compelled to agree.
Maybe the former was an unreal truth and the latter an untruthful reality.
Who cares, that still doesn’t answer the question:
Why did bigfoot create god.
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Kong, go ahead and believe in false reality and unreal truth. If it makes sense to you and your therapist, okay.
"Everybody needs to believe in something. I believe I'll have another beer." -- Norm Peterson
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"I don't believe in Buddha, I don't believe in Jesus, I don't believe in Beatles! I only believe in me, Yoko and me that's reality."--John Lennon
The question remains:
Why did Santa create global warming.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
God was created to fill the gap that some adults have when they realize they are accountable for their own actions.
When you're a kid, your parents are watching out for you and responsible for you. Growing up, leaving the nest... it can be frightening for some people to realize that they don't have that safety net.
Inventing the idea of god is comforting, because now that adult can sit back again and know that there is still someone in that parental role.
There are different personality factors that are identified as being significant contributors to risk when flying. Some of them are obvious, like machismo, but others are less apparent yet insidious. Specifically, 'resignation'. A person who exhibits this trait goes through life not feeling that they are actually in control of anything, and 'whatever happens, happens'. There's no real difference between that and 'it's god's will', so there's a pathology associated with certain elements of religion as well.
The first group, the parent-replacement people, they can function effectively in society and it doesn't matter if they believe that some guy with a beard spoke to Adam and at the moment of life, like on the ceiling of the Sistine Chapel, spoke with a booming voice and said 'pull my finger'. The ones that I worry about most are the ones who exhibit the traits of resignation. Some of them just sit back and wait for life to happen, but some of them... some of them are ACTIVELY resigned, and go out and push the 'will of god' as they see it on others. Everything from working to have religious doctrine made law to crashing planes into buildings.
How do you know God has a beard? Hmmmmm? Perhaps She's clean-shaven.
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You have asked four (or more) seperate questions, declaring each "the question"
One last attempt to bring you to reality. Real, truthful, honest reality.
In 1616 the church declared the Copernican theory false, declaring the truth to be that the earth doesn’t move.
In 1633 Galileo Galilei under the real threat of death was compelled to agree.
Maybe the former was an unreal truth and the latter an untruthful reality.
Your "unreal truth" was not. It was wrong.
wrong adj.
Not in conformity with fact or truth; incorrect or erroneous.
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Holden,
I have consulted my therapist and he thinks the real question is:
Why did global warming create bigfoot?
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Originally posted by midnight Target
“Sometimes the things that may or may not be true are the things a man needs to believe in the most. That people are basically good. That honor virtue and courage mean everything; that money and power mean nothing. That good always triumphs over evil. That true love never dies. Doesn’t matter if they’re true or not. A man should believe in those things anyway. Because they are the things worth believing.”
Uncle Hub
second hand lions. easily the best film I've attended in last decade.
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Originally posted by Torque
there are no atheists in foxholes
Untrue.
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First, there is no such thing as global warming. Its propaganda produced by people who use fear to control the rest of the population.
Second, belief is a tricky substance, it seems to take a fairly large amount of it before it reaches "critical mass". But once it does, look out.
More to the point, than bigfoot, why did we create UFO's?
I mean after all, bigfoot is fairly harmless.
He hides in the woods after all.
But UFO's can abduct anyone, anytime at will. Now THATS scary.
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Originally posted by storch
second hand lions. easily the best film I've attended in last decade.
100% agree Storch, awesome movie.
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Originally posted by Ghosth
there is no such thing as global warming. Its propaganda produced by people who use fear to control the rest of the population.
There is such a thing as global warming. Those that deny it are using it as propaganda to stay in control of the rest of the population.
What is more comforting? For the goverments to admit that there is such a problem or to deny it? What gives most power over the voters and keeps the voters spending and consuming?
Just a thought
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Just a thought
And what a brilliant thought it is sir!
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Originally posted by Nilsen
And what a brilliant thought it is sir!
Hey relax.. it was just a thought, he may be wrong!
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Hey relax.. it was just a thought, he may be wrong!
Yeah? Well I belive it anyway.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Yeah? Well I belive it anyway.
Idiot!
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Idiot!
retard
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y dont u six nelsons jsut STFU :)
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Originally posted by TrueKill
y dont u six nelsons jsut STFU :)
go hump a spit, the grownups are talking!
:p
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So………………
Why did UFOs create Nilsen?
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Originally posted by KONG1
So………………
Why did UFOs create Nilsen?
My dad may be a little unconventional, but calling him a UFO is stretching it abit.
I'll ask him tho as i have often wondered that myself. Maybe someone sprinkled some crack on him some 30 years ago.
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Originally posted by Torque
there are no atheists in foxholes
Horsehockey
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Originally posted by MrLars
Horsehockey
polo?
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god this could be a long post but i ll keep it short by just saying that, man fears death and the though of after life theres nothing else.
sure it sucks but hey, just think youll be dead and wont know anybetter anyways.
just remember that all our lives are just a blink compaired to the history of the universe and how small we all really are, compaired to ohh say a star...
but whatever, lifes unfair.
just try to be happy and not get caught up with the petty **** that wont matter in the end.
in the end when im on my death bed, and all my loved ones are around me, thats all that will matter.
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Originally posted by 68DevilM
just try to be happy and not get caught up with the petty **** that wont matter in the end.
You did not capitalize properly and you missed the apostrophe on "won't" and "life's"
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Anybetter are two words.
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Yeah, and a couple of other missed apostrophe's too.
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“Anyways” is as ungrammatical in written English as "anyhows" because adverbs cannot be plural.
[edited for grammer]
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I think I will have another glass of that australian red now.
What do you think about australian red's Holden?
You can answer too 66DevilM if you can manage to control your frantic writing errors and behave like the adult you are.
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Originally posted by KONG1
The use of “anyways” is as ungrammatical in written English as "anyhows" because adverbs cannot be plural.
I was going to comment on that one aswell, but I could not say it without sounding pedanitc.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
I think I will have another glass of that australian red now.
What do you think about australian red's Holden?
You can answer too 66DevilM if you can manage to control your frantic writing errors and behave like the adult you are.
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I prefer Rogue Valley wines as I can drive over the hill and visit the wineries. Some excellent wines of many varieties are available. However if you were to use a Rhode Island Red, you could add another food group.
By the way the word “ungrammatical” modifies the verb “Use” and is therefore an adverb, which should have the suffix “ly” attached. A more proper use would be, “The use of “anyways” is as ungrammatically usaged in written English as "anyhows" because adverbs cannot be plural.”
Hell that don’t sound right neither.
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Ok professor.
I have added you both to my buddy list, because you both apparently need some monitoring.
I will take a look in the catalogue and see if I can get my hands on something from Rogue Valley.
Are any of these from there?
http://www.vinmonopolet.no/is-bin/INTERSHOP.enfinity/eCS/Store/no/-/NOK/BrowseCatalog-Start?CatalogCategoryID=ojkKCgo6Ot4AAADs3gTSSUy.
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I like the stuff that comes in a 5 gal box, when I stoop to drinking wine.
which I am about to walk to store and get in 30 secs.
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Originally posted by Pooh21
I like the stuff that comes in a 5 gal box, when I stoop to drinking wine.
which I am about to walk to store and get in 30 secs.
Let me know what you get, and if it's any good.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
pedanitc.
Put down the wine Nilsen.
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Originally posted by KONG1
Put down the wine Nilsen.
I am sorry.
Pedantic it is.
Am I going to have problems with you now? Are you going to start pushing my buttons?
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The Ant returned from the surface and said
I am older than most, several weeks have I lived
I've been on the leaves of the very tall tree
And so I can tell you all with absolute certainty
Tokyo doesn't exist
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Father seagoon has humor aswell!
You bring a new dimention to the padres!
cheers seagoon!
im getting some tonight, how about you? :D
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Originally posted by KONG1
Holden,
I have consulted my therapist and he thinks the real question is:
Why did global warming create bigfoot?
Silly question. Before global warming, Bigfoot was a Yeti (abominable snowman in the himalayas)
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Originally posted by Simaril
Silly question. Before global warming, Bigfoot was a Yeti (abominable snowman in the himalayas)
It's much deeper than that. In the 1950's some yetis came to Florida on vacation and liked it so much the became permanent residents. Here we call them skunkapes and they live in trailer parks near the everglades. This begs the question, why did God create hurricanes?
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Originally posted by storch
This begs the question, why did God create hurricanes?
To beat the Seminoles at football
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Rationalizing the irrational? A staple of internet intellect.
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A moot point.
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First, I would like to apologize for the previous post. I just couldn’t help myself.
Second, I am very disappointed that this thread has degenerated into a meandering stream of twisted consciousness. So let’s keep this on point.
Why did the Seminoles create Tokyo?
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
To beat the Seminoles at football
you prolly like the dang gators too huh :/
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Originally posted by KONG1
Why did the Seminoles create Tokyo?
So godzilla could destroy it.
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Bunch of heathen blasphemers. Probably want to take God out of Godzilla. The ants would be left with nothing but zilla. Just ain’t scery!
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Originally posted by storch
you prolly like the dang gators too huh :/
Hate Gators.
Go Ducks!
(http://www.coasttocoasttickets.com/images/ncaab_oregonducks.jpg)
Go Beavers!
(http://www.katu.com/news/images/stock2003/oregon_beavers.jpg)
When the Civil War game is played,
Go Beavers!
(http://www.katu.com/news/images/stock2003/oregon_beavers.jpg)
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The Skunkape returned from the trailer park and said
I am wiser than most for I have consulted the Holden
I have shared in the knowledge of the malted liquor
And so I can tell you all with absolute certainty.
The unreal truth is wrong
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Originally posted by KONG1
Bunch of heathen blasphemers. Probably want to take God out of Godzilla. The ants would be left with nothing but zilla. Just ain’t scery!
HMM I havent thought of that. Lets get the ACLU and sue those dang japanese for putting the God in godzilla buncha bible thumping fundamentalists there in japan
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Originally posted by KONG1
I am wiser than most for I have consulted the Holden
Wiser than you usta be maybe, but that ain't sayin much.. ;)
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Hate Gators.
Go Ducks!
(http://www.coasttocoasttickets.com/images/ncaab_oregonducks.jpg)
Go Beavers!
(http://www.katu.com/news/images/stock2003/oregon_beavers.jpg)
When the Civil War game is played,
Go Beavers!
(http://www.katu.com/news/images/stock2003/oregon_beavers.jpg)
what kind of individual would actually want the beavers to go? even toothed beavers are better than no beavers. silly cross dresser take a trip to my beloved South Florida and discover the joy of the beaver, perhaps you'll find one that you would like to remain.
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So you want beavers to stop? I prefer a little motion.
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Why did June create the Beaver?
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Originally posted by KONG1
Why did June create the Beaver?
there were two wards involved. a double warded remaining beaver that moves is pretty cool.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
So you want beavers to stop? I prefer a little motion.
how would you know? you just keep holden ur groin!
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Were you born there or did you become a Floridiot by choice?
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I like chocolate yogurt.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Were you born there or did you become a Floridiot by choice?
oh come now I thought you more clever than that. certainly it's much too soon in the word play for insults. by the way just which cleaver are you? wally, the beaver or eldredge?
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Global warming, huh? Okay, I'll say it again.
A single volcano eruption per year releases more carbon dioxide than we (humans) manage to create during that same year.
Obviously, our industries and vehicles are to blame for the global warming.
Secondly, the Earth has gone through multiple warming and cooling periods throughout its history. And BTW, that without the help of humans.
So tell me more about how it's my fault.
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Its your fault Drunky everytime you go to Taco Bell
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science... religion.... both beliefs for things that can't be proven.
I allow people to believe what they want be it Jesus or global warming. Eventually all things will become apparent.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
science... religion.... both beliefs for things that can't be proven.
I allow people to believe what they want be it Jesus or global warming. Eventually all things will become apparent.
lazs
Science is not a belief system. By definition it is a system for establishig the best possible answer to a question and it INVITES correction.
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Only a matter if degree MT... religion has accepted the earth rotating around the sun... science is often very adverse to changing it's pet theories.
You can spend most of your lifetime being indoctrinated by some bogus scientific theory that is forced upon you before it is "invited" to be changed.
in practice... What's the difference?
lazs
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All scientific answers invite correction. Indoctrination is not science.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Science is not a belief system. By definition it is a system for establishig the best possible answer to a question and it INVITES correction.
really? why then are "corrections" not allowed in the darwinian religion?
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Originally posted by storch
really? why then are "corrections" not allowed in the darwinian religion?
Silly question. Maybe you should read up on the changes to the understanding of Natural Selection since Darwin's day.
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“In its essential parts, therefore, Darwin's theory of development has been accepted. In Darwin's time mutations were not known about; their discovery has led to extensive modifications of his theory…” (Alfvén's Atom, Man, and the Universe.
Timeline of Evolutionary Thought (http://www.ucmp.berkeley.edu/history/evotmline.html)
Evolution Time Line Index (http://www.timelineindex.com/content/select/465/912,2,100,465)
So.............
Why did God create Darwin?
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both science and religion change when yu hold their feet to the fire long enough... one claims to invite change tho... It is a religion of change... change for change sake in most cases.
lazs
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To believe in a higher power is not in conflict with science.
The universe has rules. The universe has order....it's not just a random, ever changing soup of chaos like you'd imagine from something that came into being from nothing, at random.
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what? extorting belief thru fear and a dogma based on a poorly scripted sci-fi movie. common sense would dictate galileo to be a hero of his time. the majority of religions don't even reconize women as equals, they repressive those they embrace.
science has been pulled inside out over the last 500 years, it's not bias towards faith, race or gender to effect changes to its theories, and doesn't persecute those that do.
how does religion explain how much dna humans share with chimps, were they the first prototypes or maybe the virgin mary had an affair.
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Originally posted by Torque
what? extorting belief thru fear and a dogma based on a poorly scripted sci-fi movie.
why would you bash the catholiks like that?
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Maybe y'all need to watch last night's episode of The Simpsons again. They had some pretty good insight into intercenine bickering.
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The Bible is the worlds #1 selling FICTION novel :D
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Maybe y'all need to watch last night's episode of The Simpsons again. They had some pretty good insight into intercenine bickering.
ok what the hell is intercenine?
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It's bad spelling. What, I'm the first guy on the internet to pooch up his typing?
Internecine, ya smarmy git.
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Originally posted by Drunky
Global warming, huh? Okay, I'll say it again.
A single volcano eruption per year releases more carbon dioxide than we (humans) manage to create during that same year.
Obviously, our industries and vehicles are to blame for the global warming.
You have been misinformed...by a few orders of magnitude.
"Carbon Dioxide
Yearly averages of global temperatures have steadily increased since the industrial revolution, mid-1700's to mid-1800's in England, addition of carbon dioxide to the atmosphere from industrial processes and the internal combustion engine. Carbon dioxide is abundant in volcanic gases, but not enough to significantly contribute to the greenhouse effect. Volcanoes contribute about 110 million tons of carbon dioxide per year while man's activities contribute about 10 billion tons per year."
http://volcanology.geol.ucsb.edu/gas.htm
Secondly, the Earth has gone through multiple warming and cooling periods throughout its history. And BTW, that without the help of humans.
So tell me more about how it's my fault.
Indeed, but civilization (and all the interdependancies that go with it) didn't exist the last time.
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fair enough, crikey, was just ask'n.