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List of base closings
Friday, May 13, 2005 Posted: 10:34 AM EDT (1434 GMT)
(AP) -- A list of military facilities the U.S. Defense Department recommended be closed:
Alabama
Abbott U.S. Army Reserve Center, Tuskegee
Anderson U.S. Army Reserve Center, Troy
Armed Forces Reserve Center, Mobile
BG William P. Screws U.S. Army Reserve Center, Montgomery
Fort Ganey Army National Guard Reserve Center, Mobile
Fort Hanna Army National Guard Reserve Center, Birmingham
Gary U.S. Army Reserve Center, Enterprise
Navy Recruiting District Headquarters, Montgomery
Navy Reserve Center, Tuscaloosa
The Adjutant General Bldg, AL Army National Guard, Montgomery
Wright U.S. Army Reserve Center
Alaska
Kulis Air Guard Station
Arizona
Air Force Research Lab, Mesa
Allen Hall Armed Forces Reserve Center, Tucson
Arkansas
El Dorado Armed Forces Reserve Center
Stone U.S. Army Reserve Center, Pine Bluff
California
Armed Forces Reserve Center, Bell
Defense Finance and Accounting Service, Oakland
Defense Finance and Accounting Service, San Bernardino
Defense Finance and Accounting Service, San Diego
Defense Finance and Accounting Service, Seaside
Naval Support Activity Corona
Naval Weapons Station Seal Beach, Detachment Concord
Navy-Marine Corps Reserve Center, Encino
Navy-Marine Corps Reserve Center, Los Angeles
Onizuka Air Force Station
Riverbank Army Ammunition Plant
Connecticut
Sgt. Libby U.S. Army Reserve Center, New Haven
Submarine Base New London
Turner U.S. Army Reserve Center, Fairfield
U.S. Army Reserve Center Maintenance Support Facility, Middletown
Delaware
Kirkwood U.S. Army Reserve Center, Newark
Florida
Defense Finance and Accounting Service, Orlando
Navy Reserve Center, St. Petersburg
Georgia
Fort Gillem
Fort McPherson
Inspector/Instructor, Rome
Naval Air Station Atlanta
Naval Supply Corps School, Athens
U.S. Army Reserve Center, Columbus
Hawaii
Army National Guard Reserve Center, Honokaa
Idaho
Navy Reserve Center, Pocatello
Illinois
Armed Forces Reserve Center, Carbondale
Navy Reserve Center, Forest Park
Indiana
Navy Marine Corps Reserve Center, Grissom Air Reserve Base, Bunker Hill
Navy Recruiting District Headquarters, Indianapolis
Navy Reserve Center, Evansville
Newport Chemical Depot
U.S. Army Reserve Center, Lafayette
U.S. Army Reserve Center, Seston
Iowa
Navy Reserve Center, Cedar Rapids
Navy Reserve Center, Sioux City
Navy-Marine Corps Reserve Center, Dubuque
Kansas
Kansas Army Ammunition Plant
Kentucky
Army National Guard Reserve Center, Paducah
Defense Finance and Accounting Service, Lexington
Navy Reserve Center, Lexington
U.S. Army Reserve Center, Louisville
U.S. Army Reserve Center, Maysville
Louisiana
Baton Rouge Army National Guard Reserve Center
Naval Support Activity, New Orleans
Navy-Marine Corps Reserve Center, Baton Rouge
Roberts U.S. Army Reserve Center, Baton Rouge
Maine
Defense Finance and Accounting Service, Limestone
Naval Reserve Center, Bangor
Naval Shipyard Portsmouth
Maryland
Defense Finance and Accounting Service, Patuxent River
Navy Reserve Center, Adelphi
Pfc. Flair U.S. Army Reserve Center, Frederick
Massachusetts
Malony U.S. Army Reserve Center
Otis Air Guard Base
Westover U.S. Army Reserve Center, Citopee
Michigan
Navy Reserve Center Marquette
Parisan U.S. Army Reserve Center, Lansing
Selfridge Army Activity
W.K. Kellogg Airport Air Guard Station
Minnesota
Navy Reserve Center, Duluth
Mississippi
Mississippi Army Ammunition Plant
Naval Station, Pascagoula
U.S. Army Reserve Center, Vicksburg
Missouri
Army National Guard Reserve Center, Jefferson Barracks
Defense Finance and Accounting Service, Kansas City
Defense Finance and Accounting Service, St. Louis
Marine Corps Support Center, Kansas City
Navy Recruiting District Headquarters, Kansas
Navy Reserve Center, Cape Girardeau
Montana
Galt Hall U.S. Army Reserve Center, Great Falls
Nebraska
Army National Guard Reserve Center, Columbus
Army National Guard Reserve Center, Grand Island
Army National Guard Reserve Center, Kearny
Naval Recruiting District Headquarters, Omaha
Navy Reserve Center, Lincoln
Nevada
Hawthorne Army Depot
New Hampshire
Doble U.S. Army Reserve Center, Portsmouth
Naval Shipyard Portsmouth
New Jersey
Fort Monmouth
Inspector/Instructor Center, West Trenton
Kilmer U.S. Army Reserve Center, Edison
New Mexico
Cannon Air Force Base
Jenkins Armed Forces Reserve Center, Albuquerque
New York
Armed Forces Reserve Center, Amityville
Army National Guard Reserve Center, Niagra Falls
Carpenter U.S. Army Reserve Center, Poughkeepsie
Defense Finance and Accounting Service, Rome
Navy Recruiting District Headquarters, Buffalo
Navy Reserve Center Glenn Falls
Navy Reserve Center Horsehead
Navy Reserve Center Watertown
Niagra Falls International Airport Air Guard Station
North Carolina
Navy Reserve Center, Asheville
Niven U.S. Army Reserve Center, Albermarle
Ohio
Army National Guard Reserve Center, Mansfield
Army National Guard Reserve Center, Westerville
Defense Finance and Accounting Service, Dayton
Mansfield Lahm Municipal Airport Air Guard Station
Navy-Marine Corps Reserve Center, Akron
Navy-Marine Corps Reserve Center, Cleveland
Parrott U.S. Army Reserve Center, Kenton
U.S. Army Reserve Center, Whitehall
Oklahoma
Armed Forces Reserve Center Broken Arrow
Armed Forces Reserve Center Muskogee
Army National Guard Reserve Center Tishomingo
Krowse U.S. Army Reserve Center, Oklahoma City
Navy-Marine Corps Reserve Center, Tulsa
Oklahoma City (95th)
Pennsylvania
Bristol
Engineering Field Activity Northeast
Kelly Support Center
Naval Air Station Willow Grove
Navy-Marine Corps Reserve Center, Reading
North Penn U.S. Army Reserve Center, Morristown
Pittsburgh International Airport Air Reserve Station
Serrenti U.S. Army Reserve Center, Scranton
U.S. Army Reserve Center Bloomsburg
U.S. Army Reserve Center Lewisburg
U.S. Army Reserve Center Williamsport
W. Reese U.S. Army Reserve Center/OMS, Chester
Puerto Rico
Army National Guard Reserve Center, Humacao
Lavergne U.S. Army Reserve Center, Bayamon
Rhode Island
Harwood U.S. Army Reserve Center, Providence
USARC Bristol
South Carolina
Defense Finance and Accounting Service, Charleston
South Naval Facilities Engineering Command
South Dakota
Ellsworth Air Force Base
Tennessee
U.S. Army Reserve Area Maintenance Support Facility, Kingsport
Texas
Army National Guard Reserve Center No. 2, Dallas
Army National Guard Reserve Center (Hondo Pass), El Paso
Army National Guard Reserve Center, California Crossing
Army National Guard Reserve Center, Ellington
Army National Guard Reserve Center, Lupotato peelin
Army National Guard Reserve Center, Marshall
Army National Guard Reserve Center, New Braunfels
Brooks City Base
Defense Finance and Accounting Service, San Antonio
Lone Star Army Ammunition Plant
Naval Station, Ingleside
Navy Reserve Center, Lubbock
Navy Reserve Center, Orange
Red River Army Depot
U.S. Army Reserve Center No. 2, Houston
Utah
Deseret Chemical Depot
Virginia
Fort Moore
Washington
1LT Richard H. Walker U.S. Army Reserve Center
Army National Guard Reserve Center, Everett
Navy-Marine Corps Reserve Center, Tacoma
U.S. Army Reserve Center, Fort Lawton
Vancouver Barracks
West Virginia
Bias U.S. Army Reserve Center, Huntington
Fairmont U.S. Army Reserve Center
Navy-Marine Corps Reserve Center, Moundsville
Wisconsin
Gen. Mitchell International Airport ARS
Navy Reserve Center, La Crosse
Navy-Marine Corps Reserve Center, Madison
Olson U.S. Army Reserve Center, Madison
U.S. Army Reserve Center, O'Connell
Wyoming
Army Aviation Support Facility, Cheyenne
Army National Guard Reserve Center, Thermopolis
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some of these recommnedations are pretty surprising.
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Looks like by size and or per capita, Alabama got the bone. California and Texas got wacked pretty hard as well.
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Navy Reserve Center, Orange
Damn. I had some good times going there for a weekend. The La. casinos were only a few minutes away too.
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Ellsworth :(
I lived there as a kid in the 80s I remember going out to the stables near the runway and watching the 1st B-1 to land there.
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New London really surprises me.
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I work a few blocks from Onizuka Air Force Station. It is on the old NAS moffet grounds.
Lots of bases.
I wonder how this will effect the reserves?
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Yeah some of those are a surprise alright. Notice no base closures for out of the country.
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From what I saw this was the recomendation. Now the political infighting will commence to see what actually gets shut down.
FWIW it looks as if most of this is cosmetic. The Guard and Reserves actually have a significant number of spots on that list. Shutting them down will not save much money but will significantly impact manpower numbers for support functions.
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I believe Travis AFB is on the list too. Ca. really shouldn't have any bases in most of the populated areas because of how high the cost of living is and the flaming liberal outlook of it's politicians..
Closing Ca. bases will do what? lose Ca. for the republicans?
lazs
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I was actually hoping for a minesweeper out of Ingleside, TX..guess thats out now..maybe could still go there, but would hate to have to do a homeport change a few years down the road(6 years to close a base)
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Ingleside hasnt been around that long, maybe 15 years. I remember when they first started building it and all the minesweeping assets were to be moved there.
Sad they spend so much money building a base then turn right around and close it.
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WOW!!!
Otis got the ax?? I cant believe that! That list cant be correct...
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Otis has been saved numerous times by Kennedy. Its a rather redundant base. I served there for 3 years. The real problem there is the remarkable superfund site it would be if it was closed. Lots of hazradous waste issues
Closing Portsmouth Naval Shipyard...yessh...and the Sub base in CT? Those are going to be immense fights.
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Originally posted by ASTAC
I was actually hoping for a minesweeper out of Ingleside, TX..guess thats out now..maybe could still go there, but would hate to have to do a homeport change a few years down the road(6 years to close a base)
I WAS going to do an IDTT there in July. Was really looking forward to it but my foot situation has me on TNPQ status. Plus, I just re-read The Caine Mutiny.
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I'd be stunned at an Otis closure for sure.. and if New London went out, that would just about KILL that town. As it is right now it's pretty bad, even with the USCG academy and Conn. College right there.
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I thought Otis was closed.
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nah, they're still flyin, took this pic the other day when i happened to be driving by as the 3:00 flight was doing touch and gos
(http://www.103rd.net/images/P4260767L.JPG)
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Originally posted by moose
I'd be stunned at an Otis closure for sure.. and if New London went out, that would just about KILL that town. As it is right now it's pretty bad, even with the USCG academy and Conn. College right there.
What surprised me most was the Brunswick NAS being set for realignment, which looks like all the P-3's would be moed to Florida. I wonder what would serve sub-watch up this way then?
As for Otis...Im not privy to the news down there like I used to but Im sure if you dig enough, you'll read about the enormous problems they have with hazmat pollution.
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Originally posted by moose
nah, they're still flyin, took this pic the other day when i happened to be driving by as the 3:00 flight was doing touch and gos
(http://www.103rd.net/images/P4260767L.JPG)
That guy is missing one of his Aim9.
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maybe an annoying cessna found it :p
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yeah, im not too positive about the status of the plume cleanup although a lot of the contractors who come in to work out there stay at my resort since we're one of only a few hotels close by the base.. i'd just be really surprised if they closed it down (i wonder if that closure list includes the USCG and USArmyGuard parts of the base, too)
Otis F-15s were first on the scene on 9/11 and its my understanding that its the primary defense for the northeastern corridor from Maine to DC.. as much as the activists around here hate the base i couldn't imagine not seeing eagles flying over my house every day not to mention how many friends i have in the guard who would be out of jobs or would have to transfer.
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Originally posted by LePaul
What surprised me most was the Brunswick NAS being set for realignment, which looks like all the P-3's would be moed to Florida. I wonder what would serve sub-watch up this way then?
Doesn't look like there is not much left in the N'East anymore.
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I think Vermont still has F-16s?
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I think Vermont still has F-16s?
Bangor is actually slated to GAIN more staff, etc
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yeah, vermont has f-16s, but my understanding was that otis was a first-option sort of thing.. they've got 4 planes on alert status 24/7, i believe 2 are 5 or 10minutes and the other two are 30.. i mean obviously there is no cold war, and they're not intercepting russian bears like they used to.. but i duno. just seems ridiculous to close the base down. i'm totally bias in this though, for sure
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But Amreeka is teh great Shaitan. How does reducing our military fit into our evil plan for world domination? UNPOSSIBLE
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Originally posted by Lizard3
Looks like by size and or per capita, Alabama got the bone. California and Texas got wacked pretty hard as well.
That looks fairly minor for California.
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Im shure wallstreet will be happy with Fort Monmouths closure...(lets just say its not called the USA Communications Command for nothing)
(god / deities will be happy also... if your in the know..)(chaplains might get my humor..)
DoctorYo
PS: looks like Dashle will be getting his seat back come next election.. anyone care to comment on some freshman senators comments before Dashles oustering..
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Originally posted by LePaul
I think Vermont still has F-16s?
Bangor is actually slated to GAIN more staff, etc
Vermont does have F-16's and I believe (not entirely sure) that they will be the first Guard Unit to fly the Raptor. There is also a rumor that if Otis closes the F-15's from Otis would goto VT.
Freaking liberals in Burlington gonna ***** up a storm if that happens.
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Originally posted by LePaul
I think Vermont still has F-16s?
Bangor is actually slated to GAIN more staff, etc
Sounds to me like we are massing at the border for our upcomming war with Canada.
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I wonder how loud Republicans would have cried "Weak on National Defense" and "Does not support the troops" if a Democratic president had done this, especially in a time of war.
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And how many rabid foaming at the mouth pinko leftists would be praising this democratic president as a great peacemaker and a budget genious?
At least Booosch ist not a waaarmongering hitlaaa type anymore..
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Rumsfeld: '21st Century Challenges' Require Change
In four previous rounds of closures starting in 1988, BRAC commissions have accepted 85 percent of bases the Pentagon recommended for closure or consolidation.
The Pentagon's list was delivered to Capitol Hill earlier Friday morning for distribution to lawmakers.
Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld (search) has said the move would save $48.8 billion over 20 years while reshaping the military for America's expected 21st century adversaries.
Rumsfeld's plan calls for a massive shift of U.S. forces that would result in a net loss of 29,005 military and civilian jobs at domestic installations. Overall, he proposes pulling 218,570 military and civilian positions out of some U.S. bases while adding 189,565 positions to others. The plan would add at least 400 jobs to each of 49 domestic bases, with troops and other workers coming from other U.S. facilities or abroad.
The closures and downsizings would occur over six years starting in 2006.
"Our current arrangements, designed for the Cold War, must give way to the new demands of the war against extremism and other evolving 21st century challenges," Rumsfeld said in a statement.
The BRAC process was revived in the late 1980s with the idea of cutting waste and maximizing the effectiveness of taxpayers' dollars. This is the fifth round of BRAC; the last was in 1995.
In previous rounds, 97 out of 522 major bases were closed, saving an estimated $29 billion. This year's cuts were expected to be even bigger, but U.S. military officials are planning to move some 70,000 personnel currently based in Europe and Asia back to the United States.
White House spokesman Scott McClellan told reporters Friday that the president was aware of the base closures and said the administration supports the process established by the Defense Department as to what happens next.
"This is the recommendation by the secretary of defense. There is a process in place, and there are steps in the process. It will now go to the [BRAC] commission. Then it will go to the president after that," McClellan said.
McClellan said base closings are a necessary, if painful, part of transforming the military into a force matched to modern demands.
"We want to make sure that our troops, particularly those in combat, have all the resources they need to do their job," he said. But the White House, well aware of the dread in many communities, is focused on helping affected towns move on, with federal assistance available through the Defense, Labor and Commerce departments, he said.
Closures From Coast to Coast
New England took a major hit, and Connecticut suffered the biggest loss in terms of jobs with the proposed closure of the Submarine Base in New London, Ct. Shuttering the installation would result in the loss of 7,096 military jobs and 952 civilian jobs.
Another facility that barely made it through the previous rounds but showed up on the latest hit list was Portsmouth Naval Shipyard in Maine, whose shutdown would affect 201 military jobs and 4,032 civilian jobs.
President Bush's home state wasn't immune from the chopping block. Texas is slated to lose 15 facilities. In addition to Naval Station Ingleside, the Red River Army Depot and several Reserve and Guard installations are on the hit list.
New Jersey's Fort Monmouth is also slated for closure, triggering an angered Democratic Rep. Rush Holt to vow to "Fight like hell to change it. I'm not about to let the Pentagon's error put the fort and the soldiers it serves in harm's way."
Pennsylvania would lose 13 facilities, including the Naval Air Station at Willow Grove, while Alabama and California — the state hit hardest in the previous four rounds of closures — are to see 11 installations apiece shuttered, mostly affecting Reserve and Guard units and Defense Department accounting offices. New York is to lose nine.
Cannon Air Force Base in New Mexico also could lose more than 2,700 jobs, the Naval Station in Ingleside, Texas, costing more than 2,100 jobs, and Fort McPherson in Georgia, costing nearly 4,200 jobs.
Other major bases — including the Army's Fort Bliss in Texas, the Naval Shipyard in Norfolk, Va., and Andrews Air Force Base in Maryland — would see gains, as they absorb troops whose current home bases are slated for closure.
"I think we have quite a few bases that may be closed in addition to what we have here," Ret. U.S. Air Force Maj. Gen Burton Moore told FOX News. "After the Berlin Wall fell and after the fall of the Soviet Union, we reaped the peace dividends and we reaped it again after the Gulf War I" when the United States was able to reduce its structure due to fairly peaceful times.
"There's been a drawdown" but not enough of one, he added.
Also among the major closures is the Naval Station in Pascagoula, Miss. (search), which barely survived previous base closure rounds. The decision was a blow to Sen. Trent Lott, R-Miss., who had fought the 1995 round of closures. At stake are 844 military jobs and 112 civilian jobs.
"I opposed the BRAC process at its initiation because it represents a cop-out by the Congress of its duties," Lott said in a statement. "I continue to dislike the process and the fact that any Mississippi facilities are on today's closure list. That being said, I'm breathing a sign of relief for those facilities that weren't on the list."
Base closings represent a high-stakes political fight, because they affect jobs in congressional districts.
When a U.S. military installation shuts down, its officers and their families are uprooted and relocated to facilities elsewhere, leaving holes in customer bases of local businesses.
"Affected communities will be offered support and assistance through the Office of Economic Adjustment following the completion of the process," Wynne said.
For years, the military has operated more bases than it needs for the 1.4 million troops on active duty. Congress has refused to authorize a new round of base closings since 1995 but reluctantly signed off on the idea last year after President Bush threatened to veto an entire spending bill.
Lawmakers say it is unwise to close bases while U.S. troops are fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan. But the Pentagon argues that the timing is perfect to enlist cost-cutting measures given pressures from the ballooning federal deficit and to reshuffle the stateside network of bases while it reshapes the entire military.
Closures in 1988, 1991, 1993 and 1995 eliminated or realigned 451 installations, including 97 major ones, resulted in a net savings to the government of about $18 billion through 2001. The Pentagon projects recurring annual savings of $7.3 billion from those four rounds combined.
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Originally posted by rpm
I wonder how loud Republicans would have cried "Weak on National Defense" and "Does not support the troops" if a Democratic president had done this, especially in a time of war.
Didnt this radical right wing administration tell us that IRAQ would pay for the war?
Show me the money?:)
If they were paying for it we wouldnt be seeing the closures...
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Bush is the worst democrat president we have ever had.
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Bush is the worst democrat president we have ever had.
Aye! Fewcking libruhlus are destroying this country!
How the hell can rpm be such a pinko commie libruhl and still live with himself?
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Did you hit the booze early Grun?
Did you see my RC tank? Bad bellybutton huh?
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something tells me they are not closing down/removing anything that is still needed
more like cutting the fat
now if they can just do the same with the rest of the gov run biz...
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
And how many rabid foaming at the mouth pinko leftists would be praising this democratic president as a great peacemaker and a budget genious?
At least Booosch ist not a waaarmongering hitlaaa type anymore..
I guess you have no arguments, whitch could beat his argument-less statement. You just flame each other.
You are an American right ?
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These are recommendations or 100% certainties?
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goto your article of your choice and read..
"For years, the military has operated more bases than it needs for the 1.4 million troops on active duty. Congress has refused to authorize a new round of base closings since 1995 but reluctantly signed off on the idea last year after President Bush threatened to veto an entire spending bill."
Support our troops is a very accurate jab...
I find this laughable and ironic becuase a veto and a fillabuster (the current crap sessions in congress for nominees) are really of the same principle..
IMO having over capacity is not a bad thing considering the recent amount of world upheaval and volatility.
let it be known by the above who is forcing the issue..
(kind of like realID being forced on a 82billion troop bill, click links for more info)
http://arstechnica.com/news.ars/post/20050509-4886.html
or if you prefer more credibility
http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2005/05/real_id.html
This isn't a republican thing nor is a democrat thing.. Its a american thing that has deep consquences across the board.. im against some of the bases being closed.. Some of them ive been on and some our neither glamourous or well know but still have a important mission..
To cannabalize the military in a time of conflict is irresponsible... (especially since they say we are winning/succeding in our missions across the globe....)
losers revamp their military in times of warfare just for the history lesson fellas.. dont take my word on it do your homework...
DoctorYo
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Originally posted by Octavius
These are recommendations or 100% certainties?
Recommendations.
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From a functionality point of view, what makes closing a military base somewhere any different from decommisioning a ship?
Should we recommision the Intrepid, or should we spend our money on more effective weapons systems?
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Yeah New London, wow... went to sub school back in '85. I wonder what's going to happen to the Nautilus...
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just saw a local TV report about ellington here in Houston.
It is saying that the f-16s here will be gone. But if you look at the list put out it doesnt show that. It shows an army reserve unit, not an Air national guard unit.
What I can deduce is that they are retiring the planes and 2 years and not replacing them. But its not being reported as a loss. Something is fishy. Me thinks someone is cooking the books.
Plus nothing is said about the army unit that flies apaches out there.
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Originally posted by Silat
Didnt this radical right wing administration tell us that IRAQ would pay for the war?
Show me the money?:)
If they were paying for it we wouldnt be seeing the closures...
Now now Silat... you know better. :D
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Yay, nothing getting shut down in Oregon. :D
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Originally posted by Tumor
Now now Silat... you know better. :D
I know nothinggggggggggg!!
:D
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Originally posted by Dnil
just saw a local TV report about ellington here in Houston.
It is saying that the f-16s here will be gone. But if you look at the list put out it doesnt show that. It shows an army reserve unit, not an Air national guard unit.
What I can deduce is that they are retiring the planes and 2 years and not replacing them. But its not being reported as a loss. Something is fishy. Me thinks someone is cooking the books.
Plus nothing is said about the army unit that flies apaches out there.
Dnil, I am surprised that 2, 11, 13, or 26 even got the F-16 part right. Our reserve center on OST is due to close and be moved to Ellington by 2009. The sooner we move the better as I am only 3 minutes from Ellington and about 25 from the center on OST.
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heh, i live like 8 minutes from ellington tops. I fly out of there. Will be major suckage with the 16s gone.
Just seems odd how its not in the report.
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Originally posted by DoctorYO [/
To cannabalize the military in a time of conflict is irresponsible... (especially since they say we are winning/succeding in our missions across the globe....)
DoctorYo [/B]
It depends on what the conflict is.
So many of those bases were justified by the possibility of large scale war and the requirement to stage huge amounts of troops/equipment.
We are told now that we need more S/O to fight the war on terror, would lead me to believe that a lot more bases could be closed without any problems to speak of.
shamus
PS. I consider the Corps as S/O :)
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Originally posted by Dnil
heh, i live like 8 minutes from ellington tops. I fly out of there. Will be major suckage with the 16s gone.
Just seems odd how its not in the report.
With all of the refineries and and Port of Houston, those 16's ain't goin' nowhere.
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Ellington should have been closed (as a military base) about 30 years ago.
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At least alot of the Navy installations were just extra fat that needed to be trimmed, though I would have like to been able to go to Texas or Mississippi(since Hampton roads sux and I don't want to go all the way to San Diego)..As far as econopmics goes...It is not our (the military) responsibility to provide business to the local economy..in fact MOST if not all business that deal with the military personnel are just trying to take advantage and screw us over anyway..so f-em I say..wish they'd have closed NAS Oceana here just to slap this POS town in the face.
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Originally posted by Silat
I know nothinggggggggggg!!
:D
Well that statement is certainly unassailable ;)
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In NJ they are gonna be making a big stink over Ft Monmouth as it is going to ruin the local economy and basically turn the area into a ghost town.
Not surprised about Kilmer. Actually I am surprised.
Im surprised it is still even listed as active as I thought that was closed years ago.
In any event its not really needed as there is another reserve station not 1/2 hour drive away.
Camp Kilmer used to be a pretty big staging area during WWII for troops being sent overseas but its been pretty much empty for as far back as I can remember. I rarely ever say much in the way anyone could call activity there. and a Post office and Motor Vehicle inspection station takes up a large slice of the area it occupies.
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yes liz, the 4th largest city, largest port and largest refinery area needs to be left undefended.
Its insane to think of nothing here to defend it all.
By all means lets just put everything in 1 base. Make one uber super base. Then all joe blow terrorist needs to do is drive his suitcase nuke to Norfolk and wipe out everything we have.
EDIT: Also note that the loss of the f16s saves the military a grand total of 3 million dollars. Wooohoooo enough to maybe buy a T-6 Texan II. Well used one.
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Originally posted by Lizking
Ellington should have been closed (as a military base) about 30 years ago.
It was. It is now known as Ellington Field (as opposed to Ellington Air Force Base as it was once known). It supports the ANG as well as NASA and some short-hop airlines.
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Dnil, Ellington is an urban area. If those areas need local interceptor protection, which they don't, they need to build a new field off FM2004. Diablo, I was there when it was an active base, and also when it went to ANG status.
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"Ellington Field (EFD) is a joint use civil/military airport. Acquired by the City of Houston in 1984, Ellington now supports the operations of the United States military, NASA, and general aviation. The airport is home to the largest flying club in Texas and is the site of the annual Wings Over Houston Airshow.
The airport is operated and maintained by the Houston Airport System. The Houston Airport System functions as an enterprise fund of the City of Houston and does not burden the local tax base for airport operations, maintenance or capital improvements."
http://efd.houstonairportsystem.org/about
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I watched literally thousands of F-4s take of from there, but as I said, it is too urban for any kind of active base. Close it to military traffic, just like Austin did with Bergstrom.
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liz I fly out of there everyday. Its one of the best bases for the military to use. The gulf is a very short hop away for training. the east side of the base is pretty darn vacant. Thats why the traffic patterns are all east side. Plenty of bases are in urban areas. Tinker in OKC is right in the middle of midwest city. Nellis I thought to was pretty urban.
This place needs some type of defense. Supposedly they will rotate fighters in on alert status. More then likely guys not familiar with the area. The cost savings over 20 years....3.6 million... is nothing compared to what it could mean if the terrorists get smart.
EDIT: also the control tower there is by national guard contract, wonder what happens if they leave....who picks up the tab for the controller contract now? NASA, who does a **** ton of flying out of there?
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What exactly does it need defense against?
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I didnt think we needed defense in New york either. Apparently we did.
You never know what is going to happen. Look at our history of being unprepared and getting sucker punched. Why leave all of east Texas wide open for 3.6 million over 20 years.
Not only that but move the pilots and maintainers to San Antonio. Like that airspace needs more training congestion.
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Alright! They didn't close Beale. :)
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Originally posted by Lizking
I watched literally thousands of F-4s take of from there, but as I said, it is too urban for any kind of active base. Close it to military traffic, just like Austin did with Bergstrom.
I probably watched all of those too. Along with the F-101's, C-130's, and all the rest of the AF equipment. As a kid I would run outside and watch the Voodoo's and then the Phantom's as they did a scramble, talk about LOUD. It started to get really annoying that every Saturday morning they did a scramble, or so it seemed, and I used to ***** about it. That is, until 9/11. Now, when they scramble I smile and take heart that they are here.
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Pennsylvania
Bristol
Engineering Field Activity Northeast
Kelly Support Center
Naval Air Station Willow Grove
Navy-Marine Corps Reserve Center, Reading
North Penn U.S. Army Reserve Center, Morristown
Pittsburgh International Airport Air Reserve Station
Serrenti U.S. Army Reserve Center, Scranton
U.S. Army Reserve Center Bloomsburg
U.S. Army Reserve Center Lewisburg
U.S. Army Reserve Center Williamsport
W. Reese U.S. Army Reserve Center/OMS, Chester
"Ouch...." :(
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I guess the Cold War really is over...
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Did you hit the booze early Grun?
Did you see my RC tank? Bad bellybutton huh?
LOL! I dont drink gto. I just thought it was funny that rpm was bashing bush even though he was doing a supposedly libral type thing..
Maybe the sarcasm didnt comre accross right.. :)
The tank is great, good ob and a fast build.