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Title: Spitfire Head Movement
Post by: Furball on May 14, 2005, 04:20:00 AM
Why is the spitfire's pilot views so limited in moving around inside the cockpit?

try moving the view forward as far as possible on the spit (literally like an inch) compared with the 109 series like the G-10.

Smells like poop! ;)
Title: Spitfire Head Movement
Post by: Krusty on May 14, 2005, 08:29:59 AM
I read an article about how a spit pilot should dress... They were so wrapped in layer upon layer of clothing and when in the spit cockpit their shoudlers touched both sides. They were literally barely able to move.

Sounds about right. You can only move your neck a little forward if the rest of you is pinned in place.
Title: Spitfire Head Movement
Post by: WMLute on May 14, 2005, 11:03:53 AM
actually, saw a bit on the Military channel where they put a german 109 pilot in a spit, and a brit spit pilot in a 109, just to see their reactions.

One thing I recall is how cramped the 109 was to the brit, and how spacious the spit seemed to the german.
Title: Spitfire Head Movement
Post by: maxxius on May 16, 2005, 07:19:36 AM
yep saw it too. the spit has more rom than the 109
Title: Spitfire Head Movement
Post by: thrila on May 16, 2005, 07:32:42 AM
Heh just wait til kurfurst reads this thread and flips out incredible hulk style.:D  This thread makes....me....angry......REE EEEAAAARGH!!!
Title: Spitfire Head Movement
Post by: Don on May 16, 2005, 08:48:05 AM
Both the spit and 109 cockpits were cramped, especially when compared to the spaciousness of cockpits in american a/c
Title: Spitfire Head Movement
Post by: Furball on May 16, 2005, 12:28:17 PM
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Originally posted by Don
Both the spit and 109 cockpits were cramped, especially when compared to the spaciousness of cockpits in american a/c


This thread is about relative head movement spitfire compared to other cramped cockpit aircraft like the 109.
Title: Spitfire Head Movement
Post by: Don on May 16, 2005, 01:17:26 PM
>>This thread is about relative head movement spitfire compared to other cramped cockpit aircraft like the 109.<<

Hey Furball:
Woik wit me heah! ;)  I posted in reaction to the comments made by Krusty re: clothing spit pilots had to wear, thereby creating cramped conditions in the cockpit, and then Lute wrote about some show he saw where the spit and 109 pilots reacted to the space in their respective a/c, hence my comments. Neither posts had much to do with your original statements about head movements except to maybe offer up a possible explanation as to why you are having the problems you are having in this less than real flite sim.
Merely offering some background, comparatively speaking. Hell, it prolly doesn't have anything to do with RL cockpit space at all. ;)
It's prolly some bug rearing it's ugly head to make yer life miserable :D
Title: Spitfire Head Movement
Post by: Furball on May 16, 2005, 01:24:13 PM
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Originally posted by Don
/snip


yah, i like posting random comments to bring my post back up to the top to make my point ;)
Title: Spitfire Head Movement
Post by: Don on May 17, 2005, 09:02:35 AM
>>yah, i like posting random comments to bring my post back up to the top to make my point <<

Who luvs ya babe? :D

Didja get the view problem fixed?
Title: Spitfire Head Movement
Post by: Furball on May 17, 2005, 12:19:08 PM
not yet :D

need to stamp my feet some and whine some more.

hey, it worked for the luftweenies!
Title: Spitfire Head Movement
Post by: Furball on May 20, 2005, 11:05:40 AM
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Originally posted by thrila
Heh just wait til kurfurst reads this thread and flips out incredible hulk style.:D  This thread makes....me....angry......REE EEEAAAARGH!!!


nama na FRILLA!  hows those charges going?

(http://www.omelete.com.br/imagens/musica/artigos/michael_jackson/thriller_2.jpg)
Title: Spitfire Head Movement
Post by: thrila on May 21, 2005, 07:51:44 AM
I've been instructed not to talk about them.

So are you staying tonight? i have a spare pillow.
Title: Spitfire Head Movement
Post by: reacher15 on May 23, 2005, 12:42:18 PM
well...i think when your strapped in there is not a whole of movement no matter what plane your in. maybe you could unstrap yourself and go flying around inside the cockpit?
Title: Spitfire Head Movement
Post by: Furball on May 23, 2005, 01:06:19 PM
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Originally posted by reacher15
well...i think when your strapped in there is not a whole of movement no matter what plane your in. maybe you could unstrap yourself and go flying around inside the cockpit?


Although the peter pan flying all over the place idea does appeal to me - there is no need for the smartarse comment as i am making a valid point.

Both of these taken from default position, and then view fully moved forward using arrow key with no zoom.


109G-10

(http://furballunderground.com/blueknights_pictures/userfiles/Furball/109.jpg)


Spitfire V

(http://furballunderground.com/blueknights_pictures/userfiles/Furball/spitV.jpg)


Spot the difference?

Now, i am not saying that this is a bug, i would just like to know why there is such a vast difference here.
Title: Re: Spitfire Head Movement
Post by: Edbert1 on May 23, 2005, 06:47:16 PM
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Originally posted by Furball
Why is the spitfire's pilot views so limited in moving around inside the cockpit?

Clearly this is just one more peice of the anti-RAF conspiracy. The mediocre at best Spit14 is perked WAY too high, the Spit9 is missing some boost, and there's no Mk8 or clipped wing variants. I think the luftwobbles are to blame, except for the porked LW flaps it would be obvious!


Title: Spitfire Head Movement
Post by: Kweassa on May 23, 2005, 09:03:14 PM
No need to run.

 Yes it is a conspiracy. Our Luftwobble agents in covert operations are currently penetrating the highest levels of HTC staff and influencing them by providing them with excessive levels of fine grade alcohol.

 Nobody can stop us.

 We will soon rule the world...


(*sinister music) Muahahahahahahahahahaha!! (end sinister music*)


 :D
Title: Spitfire Head Movement
Post by: Edbert1 on May 24, 2005, 07:24:10 AM
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Originally posted by Kweassa
We will soon rule the world...
 

Not until those flaps get fixed.

I was trying out the G2 earlier this tour, got PWNED by a F4U-1D in a stall fight. I figured my late 42 plane could beat his late 44 plane. His flaps were fully out (I could see them) and I couldn't get one notch in, I kept losing a wing in micro-stalls due to the torque but nothing on the flaps. We did about 4 full 360s and he had me. Going verticle was not an option since we were at 120mph and he was within 300-500 yards.
Title: Spitfire Head Movement
Post by: Kwan on May 24, 2005, 07:55:23 AM
WOW Fur... those screenies say it all   ...  FIX THE SPIT Pilot view .:D
Title: Spitfire Head Movement
Post by: Balsy on May 24, 2005, 08:26:33 AM
Furtard,


The same thing goes for the F6... the default view of the F6 is already partially zoomed.

you can zoom in and see the rivets on the plane ahead of you.
Title: Spitfire Head Movement
Post by: Furball on May 25, 2005, 05:57:22 PM
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Originally posted by Balsy
Furtard,


The same thing goes for the F6... the default view of the F6 is already partially zoomed.

you can zoom in and see the rivets on the plane ahead of you.


whats an f6?

fix the speefiya!
Title: Spitfire Head Movement
Post by: Guppy35 on May 26, 2005, 01:04:45 AM
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Originally posted by Krusty
I read an article about how a spit pilot should dress... They were so wrapped in layer upon layer of clothing and when in the spit cockpit their shoudlers touched both sides. They were literally barely able to move.

Sounds about right. You can only move your neck a little forward if the rest of you is pinned in place.


One article does not the truth make :)

Here's an image of some of "my" 41 squadron pilots just down from a flight across the channel.

S/L Tom "Ginger" Niel on the left has a sweater on under his Mae West.  Les salamanderett in the center has his battle dress, shir & tie, Mae West and gloves.  Hugh Parry on the right has the same with the addition of a scarf.  Not layer upon layer.

Having sat in a Spit, during a reunion for 41 Squadron, I can also say there is room to move in the cockpit.

Hugh Parry btw is still going strong at 85 as is Ginger Niel.

Dan/CorkyJr
(http://brew.clients.ch/NielPrcktPry.jpg)