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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: john9001 on May 15, 2005, 01:46:06 PM
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a recent story in newsweek that said the koran was flushed down the toilet in git-mo. that story set off riots that killed 15 people in afganistan. newsweek now says that the story "may" be wrong.
my question is , should the people at newsweek that were responsable for that false story that killed 15 people be charged with a criminal offense?
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WWMD
What Would Muhammad Do?
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If someone yells fire in a crowded theater and incites a riot, they are punished.
What happens if the person yells fire because they had a reasonable belief that there actually WAS a fire, but it turned out to be false?
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Originally posted by Chairboy
If someone yells fire in a crowded theater and incites a riot, they are punished.
What happens if the person yells fire because they had a reasonable belief that there actually WAS a fire, but it turned out to be false?
What if that person was a fireman who's job it was to know whether or not there was a fire?
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What if you yelled "tire!" and people thought you yelled fire?
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what happens if that person is orson welles and the martians are coming?
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Circumventing the language filter
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Originally posted by john9001
a recent story in newsweek that said the koran was flushed down the toilet in git-mo. that story set off riots that killed 15 people in afganistan. newsweek now says that the story "may" be wrong.
my question is , should the people at newsweek that were responsable for that false story that killed 15 people be charged with a criminal offense?
Why would they be held responsible for? All they have to do is retract the story.
Newsweek didn't tell some idiots to go off the handle and murder people.
What if newsweek posted a story that a bible was flushed down the toilet and it turned out to be wrong? No big deal.
If people are gonna be fanatical nutz, that's not Newsweek's problem.
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Originally posted by NUKE
What if you yelled "tire!" and people thought you yelled fire?
What if a bus was going to run into a crowded theatre? Would it be okay then to yell 'Tire'?
Newsweek is protected by the 1st.
All they have to do is say, "sorry".
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Originally posted by Chairboy
What happens if the person yells fire because they had a reasonable belief that there actually WAS a fire, but it turned out to be false?
THEN THEY ARE HITLAR!!!! DETH TO BOOSH!!!
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http://bash.org/?90835
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Originally posted by majic
What if that person was a fireman who's job it was to know whether or not there was a fire?
:aok
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Even if nobody cares, i must admit that i'm with Nuke on this one...
And John, a newspaper thinking that it "may" be wrong isn't the same as, i quote :
should the people at newsweek that were responsable for that false story
Quick on the triger? :rolleyes:
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Some mistakes are more significant than others--Saying a non-Muslim did ANYthing untoward with a Koran is throwing gasoline on a fire---They were SOOOo wanting to dig up some more dirt on US military and Rumsfeld that they went with a rumor---now 15 peeps are dead, and many more on the way...and THESE are the people who HAD the Blue dress story...,and decided not to run it (Drudge made his career off that very same story--he didnt dig it up, just saw no reason not to print a verified story)
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Stories don't kill people. People kill people.
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If a tree fell on a mime in the forest and there was no one around, would anyone care?
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How big of a toilet do they use at Gitmo? Or is the Koran a 2-3 page document? That would take some flushing power.
If Newsweek followed proper journalistic guidelines they are not responsable for any concequences, only a retraction if the story is indeed untrue.
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Koran is pretty is pretty big, just imagine "flushing" a Bible down a toilet. It would take a very long time.
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cliff's notes.
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those feral moslems sure do kill each other with very little provocation! they seem to be a very unpredictable, emotional and irrational lot. how do any of these constant outburst of theirs help their cause? the moslems that I know go to great lenghts to distance themselves from these actions and the these other types of moslems.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Stories don't kill people. People kill people.
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who cares if 15 people get killed & they are not me?
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Originally posted by john9001
my question is , should the people at newsweek that were responsable for that false story that killed 15 people be charged with a criminal offense?
Should the unnamed government source that provided the false information be charged as well?
shamus
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The Muslims will someday rule the earth. Well at the least corule it with china.
Face it, they'll just plain outbreed us and get there someday.
They already think we are the great evil. They see us as the single biggest threat to their culture they have ever seen. We really do not need to give them any excuses to hate us more.
Islam has exploded out of the desert before carrying all before them. Giving you the choice to convert, or die. I'd rather not see this in my lifetime folks. So lets all try real hard NOT to tick em off eh?
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(http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/05.05.15.Flushed-X.gif)
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
(http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/pictures/05.05.15.Flushed-X.gif)
Heyas :p
Karaya
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Horrible just horrible...
Nothing is worse than getting a story wrong that leads to the deaths of people.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Horrible just horrible...
Nothing is worse than getting a story wrong that leads to the deaths of people.
Its not like most of those people actually got Newsweek on their doorsteps. Hmm, wonder how they DID get informed? ;);)
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I'm sure the same mullahs who informed them of this "afront to Islam by infidels" will forget to tell them it was false after all and they killed some random folks for nothing. Quite the religion they have there.
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newsweek should follow the precedent already set and promote those who are responsible.
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How many moslems actually get and read newsweek any way? It wasnt newsweek who informed the moslems of the story, it was every other media sorce who read the artical and took it as fact................
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Originally posted by boxboy28
How many moslems actually get and read newsweek any way? It wasnt newsweek who informed the moslems of the story, it was every other media sorce who read the artical and took it as fact................
it hits the news stands today..
sooo nobody actually read it in print yet.
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Originally posted by Ripsnort
Its not like most of those people actually got Newsweek on their doorsteps. Hmm, wonder how they DID get informed? ;);)
Yep too subtle.
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This is only an issue if you believe newsweek has any journalistic standings at all. Also if you think there is any such thing as true journalistic professionalism and truth in reporting standards. :rolleyes:
Newsweek is nothing more than a slick page tabloid. It should be right at home on those racks near the cash registers at your supermarket.
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Originally posted by Torque
newsweek should follow the precedent already set and promote those who are responsible.
Somebody gets it.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Hehe... probably, but I'm pretty sure I got it. :D
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PEOPLE (http://people.aol.com/people)
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Horrible just horrible...
Nothing is worse than getting a story wrong that leads to the deaths of people.
Whats funny is the call for accountability.. I think the other poster got it right though, they deserve promotion!
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The fanatics are just that......fanatics. I'm sick of people catering to their hatred. There is no excuse for their behavior.
I'm sick of people who have the mindset of "we can't say that, it will upset the muslims". As if the radical muslim's "bezerker" attitude is somehow a legitimate reaction to things that upset them.
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I'd be lying if I said I was upset that some *******-nutburgers had assumed room temperature, but what REALLY hacks me off is the ZEAL with which mainstream media reports on even the slightest hint of poor behavior by the US military---notice they ran with this story with only ONE source, an 'unnamed' one at that--I truely believe Abu-Graib (?) was a fairly minor thing---some people were 'humiliated'---in Saddam's day, they were tossed into plastic shredders, yet this crap led the news cycle for 6 months straight---our military's good name was just getting back into that worlds' good graces, and now this chit. Muslims will NEVER believe it didnt happen--Newsweek's weak denials will be seen as merely pressure from the imperialist US government. Four fediddleing years of work, and countless lives has just gone down the drain over there.
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This story doesnt even rank in the top million.
WMD's
Genocide in the Sudan.
Saudis that hate us.
Medicare
Gas prices
Trees
Those are serious issues.
I dont care who flushes or pisses on a book, flag, or whatever.
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So I wonder if the muslim world is gonna riot when they find out that what really happened was that one of thier own flushed pages of the quran down the toilet as a protest of his treatment at Gitmo?:o
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Had it been a Bible this story wouldn't have made it into print.
The last time I read Newsweek, I was on the can...and...
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Originally posted by Torque
newsweek should follow the precedent already set and promote those who are responsible.
I believe there is also strong precedent for having sex with the interns
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Plenty of other outlets reporting similar stories from varying sources:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A29276-2003Mar25¬Found=true (http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn?pagename=article&contentId=A29276-2003Mar25¬Found=true)
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/content_objectid=14042696_method=full_siteid=50143_headline=-MY-HELL-IN-CAMP-X-RAY-name_page.html (http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/allnews/content_objectid=14042696_method=full_siteid=50143_headline=-MY-HELL-IN-CAMP-X-RAY-name_page.html)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4505403.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/4505403.stm)
I haven't seen any retractions from these sources as yet.
Nothing is worse than getting a story wrong that leads to the deaths of people.
Bah, your balanced perspective isn't welcome here. :mad:
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After you stop and think about it for a minute, you realize its the Muslim nation that pooped its pants, not Newsweek.
Agree with NUKE.
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Originally posted by bunch
I believe there is also strong precedent for having sex with the interns
yes that 60 million dollar cuban cigar. the rwandians ultimately paid the price for that. after eights years of agony, it was a charge to keep to expose the demoncrats as morally bankrupt.
personally, i'd favour having sex with an intern, over an ak-47.
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Originally posted by Torque
yes that 60 million dollar cuban cigar. the rwandians ultimately paid the price for that. after eights years of agony, it was a charge to keep to expose the demoncrats as morally bankrupt.
personally, i'd favour having sex with an intern, over an ak-47.
one more time , it was not sex with a intern, it was lying under oath.
liberals , oh brother.
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Missing the point.... Conservatives:rolleyes:
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For me this story has two implications:
First, it reinforces the idea that the mainstream American media still has a credibilty problem. It's as if nothing was learned from CBS's Bush National Guard service fiasco. Seems it is still profits and sensationalism over disciplined, accurate reporting.
Second, and more importantly, I see the riots and deaths that occurred as a result in Afghanistan as another denouncement of Islam. This violence occurred in a democratic Muslim nation. Afghanistan has held its elections and has U.S. troops on its soil. It is supposed to be turning the corner and joining the table of civilized nations, isn't it? And, my God, the reason for these riots and deaths turned out to be bogus on top of everything? Oh, the shame and stupidity!
I wonder if Islam's temper tantrum in Afghanistan will have political implications in dealing with Iran and its nuclear ambitions?
If I were Newsweek I would certainly print a full expose of the story, complete with details and named sources. But my cover story next week would be pictures of the riots and dead bodies in Afghanistan, with the story "What the Hell is wrong with Islam?"
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I wonder... why would Muslims believe Newsweek? What ever could it be that led them to believe the U.S. is capable of such atrocities? After all, Guantanamo is a model facility rivaling any of our domestic prisons... and Abu Gharib? The stories about Abu Gharib were little more than malicious exaggerations. I think that these people are looking for a reason, any reason at all, to throw a good old fashioned religious riot.
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Originally posted by Sandman
I wonder... why would Muslims believe Newsweek? What ever could it be that led them to believe the U.S. is capable of such atrocities? After all, Guantanamo is a model facility rivaling any of our domestic prisons... and Abu Gharib? The stories about Abu Gharib were little more than malicious exaggerations. I think that these people are looking for a reason, any reason at all, to throw a good old fashioned religious riot.
They only believe what they want to believe. They couldn't care less about human suffering in this world...they only look for reasons to hate.
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Originally posted by NUKE
They only believe what they want to believe. They couldn't care less about human suffering in this world...they only look for reasons to hate.
You've just described the population of the entire planet, including the U.S.
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Originally posted by Sandman
I wonder... why would Muslims believe Newsweek? What ever could it be that led them to believe the U.S. is capable of such atrocities? After all, Guantanamo is a model facility rivaling any of our domestic prisons... and Abu Gharib? The stories about Abu Gharib were little more than malicious exaggerations. I think that these people are looking for a reason, any reason at all, to throw a good old fashioned religious riot.
Well, consider that the riots that these people died in were happening before the Newsweek article, and consider that the Newsweek article wasn't even published when these people died, and then consider that the White House is trying to become America's news editor by saying: "And there are ways that I pointed out that they can help repair the damage" and consider that the Admin are launching this attack on journalism because of dubious sources - yet accepts no blame for its doing the same - with far graver repercussions....
Bah.
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ROFLMAO, The Bush Administration trying to tell journalists how to be responsable. Who ran all those bogus half truth ads about Kerry during the campaign?
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This administration does have the moral authority to tell each and every one of us on the planet exactly how to behave. especially those mainstream news outlets and europeans.
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there were half truth adds about kerrie durring the election?
If those were only half true.... imagine how bad the whole truth would be.
lazs
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Originally posted by rpm
ROFLMAO, The Bush Administration trying to tell journalists how to be responsable. Who ran all those bogus half truth ads about Kerry during the campaign?
For the most part, I believe the answer is the Demo party machine. :p
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Hmmm... all the stories I saw about it were that deaths occurred as a result of riots happening in response to the Newsweek article about US interrogators at Gitmo desecrating the Koran.
Nothing about rioting and deaths before the Newsweek article broke.
btw, who was killed? Foreigners intentionally, or rioters accidentally? I mean who were they venting outrage upon?
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Originally posted by oboe
Hmmm... all the stories I saw about it were that deaths occurred as a result of riots happening in response to the Newsweek article about US interrogators at Gitmo desecrating the Koran.
Nothing about rioting and deaths before the Newsweek article broke.
NYT: (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/17/politics/17koran.html?pagewanted=print) "Mr. McClellan and other administration officials blamed the Newsweek article for setting off the anti-American violence that swept Afghanistan and Pakistan. "The report had real consequences," Mr. McClellan said. "People have lost their lives. Our image abroad has been damaged."
But only a few days earlier, in a briefing on Thursday, Gen. Richard B. Myers, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, had said that the senior commander in Afghanistan believed the protests had stemmed from that country's reconciliation process.
"He thought it was not at all tied to the article in the magazine," General Myers said."
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Originally posted by oboe
Hmmm... all the stories I saw about it were that deaths occurred as a result of riots happening in response to the Newsweek article about US interrogators at Gitmo desecrating the Koran.
Nothing about rioting and deaths before the Newsweek article broke.
btw, who was killed? Foreigners intentionally, or rioters accidentally? I mean who were they venting outrage upon?
moslem who break their eggs on the small end were killed by moslems who break their eggs on the large end. it's a timeless tale.
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Allah is Great!
but he just ain't happy unless his followers are killing somebody .. anybody will do in a pinch
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Originally posted by storch
This administration does have the moral authority to tell each and every one of us on the planet exactly how to behave. especially those mainstream news outlets and europeans.
Buahahahahaha!!!!
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Society should expect human beings to flip out and kill people when informed of a book meeting a toilet ? Is that how far back in time we've been dragged?
If Snoozeweek had reported that Elvis Presley may have been married to a man and consequently 15 Missisippians died as a result of the redneck rampage would the aformentioned magazine be held responsible? Or more to the point, should it?
When you divide it down to it's smallest whole, this situation, it's rather offensive to thinking afghans.
"Newsweek, you know you can't say things like without causing a murderous riot. They can't be held to the same standard as the rest of the world. You should've known better."
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Originally posted by Nash
NYT: (http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/17/politics/17koran.html?pagewanted=print) "Mr. McClellan and other administration officials blamed the Newsweek article for setting off the anti-American violence that swept Afghanistan and Pakistan. "The report had real consequences," Mr. McClellan said. "People have lost their lives. Our image abroad has been damaged."
Our image abroad has been damaged? Me thinks Mr. McClellan is correct in his statement but off by just a few years.
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Thought it was funny watching the whitehouse spokesman complaining about newsweek getting the story wrong and 15 people killed. When Bush got his facts wrong on Iraq which has resulted in the deaths of tens of thousands and still counting.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Gixer
Thought it was funny watching the whitehouse spokesman complaining about newsweek getting the story wrong and 15 people killed. When Bush got his facts wrong on Iraq which has resulted in the deaths of tens of thousands and still counting.
...-Gixer
How dare you hold Bush responsable for his actions.
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Originally posted by rpm
How dare you hold Bush responsable for his actions.
Responsible - He should be at the Hague.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by NUKE
The fanatics are just that......fanatics. I'm sick of people catering to their hatred. There is no excuse for their behavior.
I'm sick of people who have the mindset of "we can't say that, it will upset the muslims". As if the radical muslim's "bezerker" attitude is somehow a legitimate reaction to things that upset them.
ROFL!!
(watch this)
"Hey Nuke.. yer God issa '[explitive deleted] head' for foisting infant mortality condemnation on innocents!"
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I don't get it Hangtime.
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I concur,
My Harraps didn't help me translate the above??? ('course, it's3 am...and I had a couple)
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Originally posted by Saintaw
I concur,
My Harraps didn't help me translate the above??? ('course, it's3 am...and I had a couple)
a couple? :D
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Originally posted by storch
This administration does have the moral authority to tell each and every one of us on the planet exactly how to behave. especially those mainstream news outlets and europeans.
you're kidding right?
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Originally posted by Torque
you're kidding right?
oops I'm sorry, please forgive my shortsightedness. Canadians and europeans. I was hoping our Canadian cousins would recognize GWB as the new Canadian regent, then maybe we could stop your mindless slide into the abyss. after all there is precedent. you have had other Georges as regent. this one would be a marked improvement over those others.
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Originally posted by NUKE
I don't get it Hangtime.
Allow me to translate into pure Arizona gibberish....
"Hey Nuke.. yer God issa '[explitive deleted] head' for foisting infant mortality condemnation on innocents!"
Hey Nuke - (That's you)
Yer God issa [explitive deleted] head- (Yahweh is a doo doo)
for foisting - (fer foy-sting)
infant mortality condemnation- (baby killer!!!!!!!)
on innocents (Catholics)
Glad to help.
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well, if you have that much faith in this admin, just how many of your children are in the middle-east or enlisted for that matter?
talk is cheap.