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Special Events Forums => Friday Squad Operations => Topic started by: pdx22 on May 15, 2005, 02:31:04 PM
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Not "hating" Klink, I just think that a force with such a huge advantage would be a little less timid about advancing to engage in a real fight. Yes, your tactics were successful in killing several of our tanks. They were also succesful in familiarizing me with the level of "sack" in your squad.
Also this notion of, "waiting for us to drive by" is all well and good, except you weren't driving. You were huddled around the spawn, backs against each other, defensively. Had we ALL waited in the trees near the base, (we did have a small group doing so), we would have all, you and us, been sitting on our arses for the whole hour. As far as I see it a battle lost is still a battle fought, which is better than no battle at all.
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Originally posted by pdx22
Not "hating" Klink, I just think that a force with such a huge advantage would be a little less timid about advancing to engage in a real fight. Yes, your tactics were successful in killing several of our tanks. They were also succesful in familiarizing me with the level of "sack" in your squad.
Also this notion of, "waiting for us to drive by" is all well and good, except you weren't driving. You were huddled around the spawn, backs against each other, defensively. Had we ALL waited in the trees near the base, (we did have a small group doing so), we would have all, you and us, been sitting on our arses for the whole hour. As far as I see it a battle lost is still a battle fought, which is better than no battle at all.
Trust that next time, if there is one and whenever that may be, your submissive strategic style will be noted in planning.
Listen up, 1HungLo's squad was ordered to attack the armor not the base, I gave that order now if you have a problem with that I suggest that you direct your petty verbal attacks towards me. Furthermore I find it rather distastful that a member of FATE would be premitted to engage in such bad display of childish behavior. I have always held FATE squad in the highest esteem and I have the utmost respect for the Command and the Officers of FATE so I am gonna ask you nicely to knock it off and cool your jets.
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To be honest,.. if my squad were put in that situation
i might react the same way, cause no matter what the tactic, the m8s are gonna be had for lunch. I chalk it up as......."post-frame pistoffedness". I find it to be a common affliction :D
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Let me make this clear BBQBOB, this is my opinion. My opinion is not sponsored, authorized or ordered by the brass of FATE. This is my opinion and mine alone and I'll voice it no matter what you think, bud. The fact that you would try and slant the topic at hand to reflect on FATE is a little disturbing to me. FATE is a bunch of really nice fellas who make the best of every situation and don't whine about it. We are also allowed to be individuals not mindless, order taking drones. That is why I love my squad. That being said, when I stop by this BB and see a bunch of back-slapping going on over what was a complete BS scenario I, personally, get a little bent. The fact that the objective was to destroy US and not the base is what made the scenario such a whopping failure (failure - in terms of being a fun battle, the carnage was a success lol). Yeah, it is probably some post-frame bitterness but big deal! I'm sure Klink appreciates you stepping in for him tho bro.
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Too be honest when we were spawned up and forming a line too adavance on the Base,SPQR spotted enemy M-8's in our vicinity.
We then formed a line of battle and sent sweepers forward too clear out the M-8's.My orders too the squad was too "MAIM and Wound"just for the hell of it,and too be nice since the M-8's were out gunned.
I Gave up 1 of the biggest secret's too fighting with a M-8 and your too gullable too relize it.
After we dealt away with the enemy that confronted us,we Raped and pillaged the V-56,just for the fun of it.Got a nice pic of it by the way.
If it makes you feel any better,next time my people will take the M-8's and we'll show you how too kill panzers.Don,t blame yourself for not having any tactix,if you show up at Tank Klubb you could have learned some.
You can get your revenge Weds. night at 10:00 in the SEA.T-34's Vs. Panzers,Total Darkness.
Thanz for the kind wordz BOB,but i can handle the light work!
<<>>1HungLo:aok
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dont look like they followed that order bob
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Klink,
It is no big "secret" that the way to kill Panzers in an M8 is a shot or two to the rear. (Your use of the word gullible is way out of context btw, look it up.)We had practiced in the DA and were killing Panzers in one or two shots after a little practice. Your squad did well in the Frame, it just sounded to me like there was a little too much celebration going on for such a BS scenario.
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Why does it bother you then.You don,t have too read any of this.
and you sure don,t have too reply,especially with name calling and such.
Since it's no secret too kill panzers from the rear,then why did all of you try the frontal approach?We were headed too the base ,everytime we stopped and engaged,we continued on too the base.Yet still the M-8's tryed frontal assault.
Seems too me that you need too direct your comments at the person in charge that night not myself.
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Klink
Yep, I think I've said my piece. However, your insinuation that your squad would have defeated a squad of panzers had you been given the M8s is truly laughable.
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If you think so then Oh well,i can,t control what goes on in your world.I know for a fact the outcome will be different.I spend alot of time practicing killing techniques in a M-8.
Maybe some day we will find out hmmm?
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Klink,
Maybe, sounds like you have a real passion for tanks. But if you spend hours practicing in an m8 you've got some issues bro. I am one of the more avid GV drivers in FATE, a skill I am proud of and can be attested to by many. Though my squad won't be in attendance at the GV event, I have definitely been planning on being there. After today's conversation I hope we are on opposite sides, that I may decide your FATE~~~ for you, but if I end up on the same team you will be glad I am, trust me.
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well thats good too hear.
As far as my fate,i,m a dedicated Gv'er as well,so don,t think your the only Big Shooter out there.
Hopefully you do show up,and i,ll make sure your on the other side,count on that.Just hope your ready for total darkness,cuz that throws a wrench into everything.
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Alright guys enough beating a dead horse. As Daddog said in multiple places in regards to the scenario he takes responsibility for the M8 vs Panzer matchup. He also didn't realize just how much of a mismatch it would be.
Yes, you can defeat a superior force by tactics and having everything breaking your way. It has happened before but it is not a common thing since usually first contact in battle sows confusion and fog of war amplifies things so that the battle and coordination become hard to retain control over.
But this is also why the GV players got a second life. I understand the frustration of FATE at the results of their clash with the Panzers. But hopefully their second life in planes where they destroyed the enemy bases from above helped alleviate the frustration of the early deaths in GVs.
The frame was well fought by both sides and unfortunately at times things don't turn out the way envisioned or expected. Fortunately FSO is built in such a way that one bad frame doesn't massively wreck the outcome or experience (like a mismatch in a scenario would massively impact things).
Oh, btw I was wondering what the heck happened to V56 since it was not a target for the LW. Now I know.
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Duly noted Ghost
Klink,
The element of darkness should be really fun. Do me a favor tho buddy and please, in the one in a million chance that you kill my panzer in your t-34, don't even TRY to equate it to killing a panzer in an m8 because I can see that one coming already, you compared them as a form of competition above, and I just don't wanna hear it.
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That being said, when I stop by this BB and see a bunch of back-slapping going on over what was a complete BS scenario I, personally, get a little bent.
Sorry the whole Squad Ops was such BS for you. I apprecaite your efforts in the M8's. As GD said I had no idea it would be so one sided. Live and learn. I hope future frames will be more to your enjoyment.
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In no way will the T-34 battle be klose too the M-8 battle.
That will be a hard lesson learned for most panzer drivers.
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Thanks daddog,
As you know, FATE is a mainstay in FSO and most of the time they are a blast. I have flown almost every frame in the last few months and always, (well, now its almost always lol) have a fun, competitive battle. Live and learn is right and it sounds (from one of your previous posts on the topic) like another scenario involving M8s and Panzers would be different because of this one.
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Klink,
I like the T-34 as a more agile and better-armored tank than the Panzer. The reload time simply forces a driver to plan and pick his spots better. Worlds closer to the Panzer than the M8! Hopefully the GV event will have a good turnout, I know that tank action seems to be picking up in the MA. I look forward to it, kiss the wife and kids and make any and all necessary arrangements to your estate.
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like another scenario involving M8s and Panzers would be different because of this one.
Rgr FATE has been around a while. :) I will not even have M8's vs Panzers again unless the Panzers have to also destroy a town/base. That would force them to be on the move. :rolleyes: I was a bit naïve about that match up.
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Exactly Daddog, if targets at base v56 had been worth some significant points and the M8s were maybe worth less it would have switched the emphasis of the strategy and I'm sure the battle would have been more fun.
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We would have taken out both.wait,we did take out both.
And all we had was Amour Piercing roundz.
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DamnName CO of FATE here.
Yes the last frame was not much fun for my guys. and we did try and wait out the panzers but things seemed to be moving to slow so some of us made a move.
I made a run around the Panzers and all I could see was a wagon train. lost my guys that I put on the move.
what is done is done. Just waiting for the next run.
I just want to say thanks to the guys that do all the hard work to put this all together. Its not always gravy. Thanks
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A class act as always Damnname
from UKNIGHTED JG26-357th FG to all of FATE squad.
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We would have taken out both.wait,we did take out both.
And all we had was Amour Piercing roundz.
For what it is worth, you time would have been better spent in the air helping out. V56 was not worth any points.
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For what it's worth,this thread was directed at me and i was answering it as such.Sorry you can,t take my Humor as such.
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Not a lot I can say about this. The orders we received had you guys coming in and attacking ~~~FATE~~~. All we saw was you waiting for us to show up. That's not what we expected. You may or may not have been moving in towards the base, but at this point it doesn't really matter. It wasn't much fun, but we did learn some things that we will incorporate into our gv outings.
I have to laugh though because you went in and took out the base anyway!
I like the idea of making the base a target . Even if we are in an M8 vs Panzer scenario again, I would still be in for the challenge. It adds a whole new dimension to the "Battle Plan!"
I really dig tanks and it sucks that I missed the all gv event. I can't wait to try it out next time.
all! And BBQ...Check 6!;)