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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Hangtime on May 19, 2005, 11:30:14 AM
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Whelp, married off my kid; the Ex has finally figured out how to wind up the dog and start the car all by herself, so it's time for me to get the hell off Long Island and retire somewhere pleasant.
I need to stay fairly centrally located on the east coast, but would like to expand my customer base a bit to the westward some (I travel to big R/C meets during the summer months).
Was looking at the Ohio River valley.. from Wheeling WV down to about Parkersburg. Seems like the cost of living there is about half what it is here in the shadow of NYC.
Any of you guys from around there? If so; any advice regarding good towns to settle my old bones in? (All old Mose wants is his rocker on the porch.. I ate dirt, Ethan, they tought I wuz crazy, an they let me go..)
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How about the carolina's hear they are great.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
(All old Mose wants is his rocker on the porch.. I ate dirt, Ethan, they tought I wuz crazy, an they let me go..)
West Virginnie sounds perfect for ya. ;)
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A choice between WV and Ohio? Jesious... it's hard to decide which sucks worse. Why just those two states?
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geographic location, cost of living, cost of living, and oh, did I mention.. it's like half as costly as living here.
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Originally posted by Nash
A choice between WV and Ohio? Jesious... it's hard to decide which sucks worse. Why just those two states?
Gotta second that.
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I live in the Ohio Valley in Louisville Kentucky. Theres two large r/c flying fields here. One grass and one paved. Check out Louisville, it can be a nice place.
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isn't it west virginia that has the lowest number of people per capita with running water and internal plumbing?
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Originally posted by Hangtime
geographic location, cost of living, cost of living, and oh, did I mention.. it's like half as costly as living here.
Ah okay. Well.... I guess ya get what ya pay for. :D
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Nash if you have idea about Ohio then STFU.
I'm in NE Ohio and the cost of living isn't bad at all. Rural and Urban areas here to choose from.
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Originally posted by SEgunner
Nash if you have idea about Ohio then STFU.
I'm in NE Ohio and the cost of living isn't bad at all. Rural and Urban areas here to choose from.
If by "if you have idea about Ohio" you actually meant "if you have no idea about Ohio," then you'd be wrong. Either that or you make no sense.
I have idea about Ohio. It sucks.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Whelp, married off my kid; the Ex has finally figured out how to wind up the dog and start the car all by herself, so it's time for me to get the hell off Long Island and retire somewhere pleasant.
I need to stay fairly centrally located on the east coast, but would like to expand my customer base a bit to the westward some (I travel to big R/C meets during the summer months).
Was looking at the Ohio River valley.. from Wheeling WV down to about Parkersburg. Seems like the cost of living there is about half what it is here in the shadow of NYC.
Any of you guys from around there? If so; any advice regarding good towns to settle my old bones in? (All old Mose wants is his rocker on the porch.. I ate dirt, Ethan, they tought I wuz crazy, an they let me go..)
I live 66 Miles East of Parkersburg on Route 50, Parkersburg is a nice place. Parkersburg has some good resturants, We head there when we need to go to Home Depot, (The Next closest is Washington PA).
Ritchie County, the next county over from Parkersburg is very rural. Pennsboro, and Central Station, are only about 15 to 20 minutes East of Parkersburg, And I think there is a small Airport outside of Parkersburg too. I live Four Counties from Parkersburg, in Harrison County, Just outside of Clarksburg. There are towns in between, Clarksburg and Parkersburg, but are very small even compared to those two.
West Virginia is a nice place to live, but if you want rural, be ready to drive if you want civilazation.
If you have any more questions, Id be happy to answer.
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(http://www.galen-frysinger.ws/us/parkersburg09.jpg)
Hangtime... Look into either Pennsylvania or North Carolina and give up your dreams about Ohio and West Virginia. I only tell you because I care.
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Nash did you have a bad experience in West Virginia? Or did you drive through Parkersburg and take a picture of that Ugly Wall.
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No - no particular bad experience in West Virginia. It's not like I have a grudge on the place, and I don't have a grudge on Ohio.
They are just bad places. And if a friend asked me what I thought about them, why would I lie?
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Ohio or West Virginia...sounds like a lose-lose situation to me.
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Bad Places as in How?
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Originally posted by Nefarious
Bad Places as in How?
Okay, maybe "bad" is not the best word.
"Not as good" as other places.... How's that?
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wanna make money from RC planes?
Deland, Florida
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Originally posted by spitfiremkv
wanna make money from RC planes?
Deland, Florida
Arlington, VA
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Okay, yes, I have an idea about Ohio and West Virginia. My parents were born and raised there, and recently moved back to Huntington; I've spent some time.
My aunt lives across the river in Ohio.
If you're wondering, I'm in Europe now and my car is at my Aunt's in Ohio, not in WV.
I've also spent time in Ohio; I went to college outside of Cleveland.
So, from experience:
The Ohio river valley sucks, especially the part along West Virginia.
Here are some reasons NOT to settle there:
1) Of the 40 places in the US marked by the DEA as special enforcement regions, (high trafficking and usage) only two are rural. One of these is the Ohio valley along West Virginia.
2) Do you really want to live in a place with 40% unemployment? In one week I was there, there were more shots fired, people killed and high-speed chases than two years of my time in Iowa.
3) Car Insurance. Look it up.
4) Health Insurance. Even worse. See, the insurers are evil, but a rural "jury of peers" that's largely unemployed and has a natural bias against city slickers makes rates astronomical.
5) The food. The only decent fresh meat you can get is venison, and that's because the big supermarket chains haven't figured out how to charge for hunting yet. Forget decent vegetables of any sort (ain't nothin' grows up there).
6) The environment. Get a gander at the cancer rates from around there. Ashland Refinery, Nitro, and several other places pump out al kinds of goodness. Similarly, runoff from the coal fields makes the rivers purty. Recent pro-industry initiatives by the current administration have relaxed the absurdly overprotective environmental laws, so the rivers are getting darker again, and the floods more frequent.
7) The weather. Hot and extremely humid in the summer; winters are cold.
8) Airfare: check out flights to Charleston WV and Huntington.
9) Sports: Your professional teams will be the Reds and the Bengals. Ever wonder why college sports are so popular down there (Go Herd!)
10) Culture: Huntington, WV's biggest annual event is the international congress of Jehovah's Witnesses.
Louisville, I hear, is actually a nice town, but may be too far West for you.
In short, there's a reason why it's cheaper.
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Hangtime,if you like to boat,and don't mind not being near a big city,buy some property or a house near Tygart Lake.It's about 5 miles from Grafton,which is located about 20 miles East of Clarksburg.
Beautiful lake,kinda like a miniature Lake Cumberland.
Nash,I was born and raised in WV.Not a big city place by any stretch of the imagination,but very pretty,and not a bad place to retire.
So dazzle me with your expertise of my home state.Tell me what is so bad about it.
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Originally posted by Dinger
5) The food. The only decent fresh meat you can get is venison, and that's because the big supermarket chains haven't figured out how to charge for hunting yet. Forget decent vegetables of any sort (ain't nothin' grows up there).
6) The environment. Get a gander at the cancer rates from around there. Ashland Refinery, Nitro, and several other places pump out al kinds of goodness. Similarly, runoff from the coal fields makes the rivers purty. Recent pro-industry initiatives by the current administration have relaxed the absurdly overprotective environmental laws, so the rivers are getting darker again, and the floods more frequent.
7) The weather. Hot and extremely humid in the summer; winters are cold.
9) Sports: Your professional teams will be the Reds and the Bengals. Ever wonder why college sports are so popular down there (Go Herd!)
WOW.
What crap.The only fresh meat you can get is venison?I've never eaten venison ONCE.
I've got news for you,WV has grocery stores that sell chicken,steak,and other assorted meats,just like any other state.Forget decent vegetables? Everytime we'd drive home from Tygart Lake,we'd stop at a farm and buy freshly picked sweet corn at a farm that was fantastic.It's amazing that people live in Colorado or Utah with their lack of farms.
The environment?Lets see a link to some recent stats,not those from the past,since many of the mines have been shut down.
The weather.
Hot and humid in the summer,cold in the winter.
Fascinating....truly fascinating...
Sports-everyone I grew up with(who actually lives there)is either a Steeler fan,or a Pirates fan.
Yes college sports are popular,which is why most people are Mountaineer fans.The turds are wannabe's.:D
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Just move to Arizona and be done with it.
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Originally posted by Sox62
So dazzle me with your expertise of my home state.Tell me what is so bad about it.
Normally I would jump at the opportunity to dazzle anyone with my expertise on West Virginia. But that would be callous... cold, even.
Because as we speak here tonight, there is a young woman who hails from West Virginia that makes our own small problems seem microscopic in comparison. Her name is Lynndie England.
She does not care if you live in West Virginia, or Ohio.
She does not care if you live in Korea or Bangkok. If the price is right, she will lay the smack-down on you so hard that you will forget all about where you're from and muster only a weak "punish me you glorious beast for I have sinned."
That kind of quality punishment doesn't come cheap. Respectable folks pay damned good money for it.
Is it hypocracy that we crave to be beaten by the likes of Lynndie England, yet hold her accountable for punishing our enemies?
Perhaps.
I will tell you something straight up. If any of us were a terrorist Iraqi maniac, and found ourselves incarcerated in abu gharib, we would be hella fortunate in getting beaten on by a specimen such as Lynndie England.
It's like.... free abuse! They should'nt be complaining - they should be thanking their lucky stars!
West Virginia,
Mountain momma,
Beat me home. All the way home.
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It's funny to read the things some of you city dwellers post.
The one valid point is that unemployment and the economy in general tends to be pretty bad in this region.
J_A_B
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Now, let's not go knocking the people.
Another subject of media abuse, Jessica Lynch, is also from WV.
Chuck Yeager is from WV.
Robert Byrd is from WV, and say waht you will about the beatiful and expensive freeway running from Charleston to Washington, he is a great politician.
I've got news for you,WV has grocery stores that sell chicken,steak,and other assorted meats,just like any other state.Forget decent vegetables? Everytime we'd drive home from Tygart Lake,we'd stop at a farm and buy freshly picked sweet corn at a farm that was fantastic.It's amazing that people live in Colorado or Utah with their lack of farms.
Yeah, I've been to the Big Bear(Before they closed last year), and I've been to Kroger's, and I've been to Wal-Mart, and I've even been to a mom-and-pop market. And I'm sorry, The Ohio Valley isn't Cincy or Columbus. It's well-nigh impossible to find good meat in the stores. And if your notion of fresh vegetables begins and ends with Sweet Corn, well OK.
The environment?Lets see a link to some recent stats,not those from the past,since many of the mines have been shut down.
How about just some of the articles from the past month or so:
http://www.environmentalhealthnews.org/archives.jsp?sm=ts27%3B1subject%2Ctext%2Cpublishername13%3Bwest+virginiafr13%3Bcurrentissues6%3B5Water5%3BWaterfl8%3Bcoverage13%3BWest+Virginia
...errr you're going to have to manually refine the search to "west virginia"
Try this:
http://www.wvgazette.com/section/Today/2005051117
ower plants, steel mills and chemical factories pumped more than 83 million pounds of toxic chemicals into the air and water in 2003.
Country-wide, 1.8 billion pounds of toxic chemicals were pumped out. 5% of the country's industrial pollution comes from one state, and a relatively small one at that. An that's just the txoic stuff, not the general crap.
As for the weather, I stand by what I say. Hot and Humid is one thing. 100% humidity all the time is another. I mean, I've lived in a lot of places, both in the US and in Europe, and I've seen some crappy weather. I wouldn't recommend the American Midwest to anyone except someone living in the Ohio River Valley.
Columbus isn't a bad place to live. The hills of WV are beautiful.
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i once hit the exacta at the Charleston WV race track, a 249:2 payout. Move there & bet all your retirement $ on the ponies
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Ahh, the good stuff comes out!!
Was real concerned about the pollution, was aware of the mines... nothin new about poisioned water here in NY either. Havent drank anything that ain't been outta a bottle at the best for 40 years.
The weather concerns me the most.. I do hate exteremly high humidity; however since I won't be yachting or hiking and where my bellybutton gets parked there's an airconditioner in reach that's not the 'end all'. One of the reasons I was looking at the west slope of the appalacians or the great smokies was a lil more mild (less humid) weather than what's found down-slope in the mid-atlantic states or south-central ohio out thru the midwest. Only way I know of to beat the humidity here in the east is to freakin get up-slope in the mountains. The trick is to find a place without one of those 'slurry' or coal waste dams up slope, and to stay high enuff above the flood zones.. hate to have to swim in the rain.
My business is national, self contained and internet based.. employment rates ain't an issue; as long as there's a post office somehere nearby I can operate from anywhere. I'm picking up a 'toy hauler' type trailer; front half done like an 'RV' back half set up for field events I like to go to in the summer months... one to two week trips at the most; four or five of these a season. Draggin one of those offa Long Island thru the city is freakin hopeless...
This 'mobile' setup ain't to live in, I GOTTA have an 'FBO' to live in; won't tolerate living in a closet anymore (lived on the boat fer a year and a half; that wuz enuff). Was hoping to locate the FBO in a low cost of living locale.. would be nice if the the locale was a purdy one... and the hills of WV and SE Ohio are purdy.
Here on LI a decent 3 bedroom home is 250,000.00 and a 1 bedroom apartment averages about 1300.00 a month. That's just freakin nuts. Gettin around here is worse than southern california.. transiting thru NYC is a 4 hour nightmare to cover just 50 miles of road... and that's with EZ pass and no trailer.
A home in WV or Ohio is about 50-70,000, an apartment is about $600.00 a month...cuts my overhead by half (or more) and that's the diffrence between a decent life and a scramble for solvency.
Wasn't aware of the 'war' going on with the DEA.. was aware that most folks out there don't consider the federal government their friends.. can't say as I disagree with 'em, current situation in washington notwithstanding.
Keep the info commin guys.. really appreciate the feedback, both good and bad.
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Western part of North Cakalacki ? I hear it is nice.
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If you dont mind being close to suburbia, check out:
Morgan County
Berkely County
Jefferson County
The Three Counties of the Eastern Panhandle, By far the most wealthiest of West Virginia. A 90 Minute Drive from the Nations Capital. I used to live in Shepherdstown, the oldest town in West Virginia. Nice place to live, but the COL is greater than the Ohio River Valley for sure. It also has become a Yuppie Gathering Site for DC Commuters, Although its a college town too, Great Bars.
Anything West of the Blue Ridge, starts becoming very Rural, almost a different culture. When I want to go out and have a good time I have to go to Clarksburg,Bridgeport, Fairmont, Morgantown. And they pale in comparison, even to Pittsburgh. Pittsburgh PA being only 2 hours away from my location.
Where I live the closest coal mine is about 10 miles away, most Mines in Central West Virginia are closed, Coal is more prevalent to the Southern Counties, than where I live at.
The Weather is humid and Mild or Hot in the summer time, and ranges from Mild to Cold in the winter. Were a little bit to far South and in the Mountains to feel the effects of Lake Effect Snows. And Tornadoes in this area are almost non existant.
I'd say the worst part is West Virginia is the lack of culture. There is none. Its got great History, but dont expect much in the way of entertainment unless you like to gamble.
The people here are out of this world, but no different than any big city. Just depends on where your at, Eastern Panhandle, Northern Panhandle, Central and Southern West Virginians are all different.
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Dinger that's nice to know that much pollution was dumped into the air and water.Over 80 million pounds you say?
Just did a quick search on Colorado(I'm NOT knocking Colorado,always a beautiful state)In 2002 over 1,584,862 .lbs of air pollutants alone were dumped into Colorado's air.
That's 792 tons of pollutants,and doesn't even include the water.I'll bet you can dig up stats like this for many states.
http://www.environmentcolorado.org/envco.asp?id2=16181
My point is every state dumps pollutants.It 's certainly not a reason to avoid moving to West Virginia.
I still maintain that the notion you can't get fresh vegetables is silly.I can't ever remember not being able to get them.
Nash,as usual you have no actual point.You make a statement,then sidestep and bring up some irrelevant political issue.
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Hangtime! North carolina! the south western side right along the mountians!
http://www.lakeadger.com/propavail.html
http://www.lake-lure.com/
Anything in the surrounding areas!
Theres a New high end community going in across the lake from me calle "Brights Creek" gonna have 3 18 hole Tom Fazzio designed golf course. + it will be the 1st all Fiber Otic community in NC (phone, TV, Internet +)
Im on Lake adger.
Any thing from Asheville to Columbus/ Tryon areas are very very nice.
Property value here is going up fast! Very fast ! dad bought a bunch of lots 4 yrs ago for like 25 K been selling em for over 80 K
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Originally posted by Dinger
Now, let's not go knocking the people.
Oops - I didn't mean to give that impresion. I think Lynndie England is the bee's knees.
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DOn't listen to any of them, especially nash he's ghey!
OHIO is where it is at!
Cincy beyatch!
We got hallie berry, dave chappelle, football hall, some other people, the bungals (it's fun watching thme coming so close to the playoffs and then bloiwing it), were cheap (living) ANNNND we are the best uber l33t AH2 playaz EVER!
we got me! couple BKs and the number 1 ranked Shawk and some oothers that i don't know of.
final answer is...OHIIO
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Ohio doesn't suck.
I live in Columbus and after living in Cleveland, Baltimore and West Palm Beach I can say that no other town is easier to get around in traffic wise.
In fact noplace in Ohio is more than a three hour drive from Columbus. We've had a boat on the lake (that would be Lake Erie) and in Salt Fork. We've got skiing (I prefer Snowshoe, WV for east coast skiing) though it's not the best. Not bad for the area.
Cost of living isn't bad, right now fuel runs from $1.90-$2.10 depending on the mood of the gas stations. Housing isn't too crazy either if you're looking into more rural areas.
My family tree came from Steubenville, OH/Wheeling/Parkersburg/Follansbee, WV areas and I wouldn't suggest you live near the river. The area isn't economically healthy and the only reason I go back to visit is for Christmas and Deer or Turkey season. Lots of animals in them thur hills.
I'm looking into moving to the Louisville, KY area if a few dominos fall the right way for me. Kentucky is some of the most beautiful country we've got. The summer's aren't horrible, the winter's aren't bad. Lake Cumberland is close by if you've got a boat. Lots of animals (for us redneck huntin' types).
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I don't know anything about Ohio or WV but I'd go with North Carolina. I lived there a couple of years and wouldn't mind going back. The mountains in the west are beautiful but hot in summer. I lived in NE corner just below VA border - Norfolk was a short drive for city stuff but it was quiet and rural and cost of living is great. I64 gives you good road access. $250,000 in Elizabeth City will buy you almost anything. Also EC has a great airport for GA flying - really quiet but good facilities as it shares with Coast Gaurd and there is lots of flat spaces to fly those RC stuff.
Check it out here (http://www.jnlcom.com:16080/_comm/imageselizabethcitync/)
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Originally posted by Nash
A choice between WV and Ohio? Jesious... it's hard to decide which sucks worse. Why just those two states?
Flame-bot
:D
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Originally posted by Hangtime
I'm picking up a 'toy hauler' type trailer; front half done like an 'RV' back half set up for field events I like to go to in the summer months...
Couple of items...
1. Who you getting the Toy hauler from and what brand?
2. Look at Missouri. Lake of the Ozarks is beautiful country and fairly inexpensive. Also some nice places up by St. Joseph.
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Originally posted by Nash
A choice between WV and Ohio? Jesious... it's hard to decide which sucks worse. Why just those two states?
This from a guy who lives in Alberta. :rofl
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Heya Midnight.. wuz gonna wait till mid winter then start lookin fer a deal onna used one. If you've got some tips or advice, love ta hear it!
Missouri? The 'show me' state? Dammo.. I'm tryin ta stay within 4-5 hours of NY! (kids, family 'n all)
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Heya Midnight.. wuz gonna wait till mid winter then start lookin fer a deal onna used one. If you've got some tips or advice, love ta hear it!
Missouri? The 'show me' state? Dammo.. I'm tryin ta stay within 4-5 hours of NY! (kids, family 'n all)
Go Here (http://www.thorca.com)
Tell me what you like.
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The Tahoe 19 Side loader.. don't require much more than a bed, fridge, stove 'n shower. AC if it's cheap. Good electric's.. user expandable if yah know what I mean. :) Rig's gotta be light; tug's an Astro Van.
And if I may say; them's some real nice rigs...
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If you need to downhill ski, mountain climb or surf, Ohio does suck for you.
If you hate snow or a bit of humidity and heat, Ohio sucks for you as well.
Otherwise, Ohio is great for many reasons.
However, I’m not going to try to sell Ohio to you Hangtime; it may not be the best for you.
I am going to try to sell you on a different approach to finding a place to live.
Start with your passion; find good model airplane fields and clubs where you would consider living,
and then look for a house within sight of that field.
There are probably hundreds of fields in the areas that you are considering,
some will be in overpriced areas, and some will be in areas that are too depressed.
What you don’t want is to settle on an area, buy a house and then find out that the only decent field is two hours away.
Here’s the field about two miles from my house:
(http://www.cmac.org/phot/2004/2004_06_16_cmac_pano/cmac_pano1.jpg)
Club link: http://www.cmac.org/index.html
You know model airplanes better than any of us,
start by looking at your resources and connections for the best fields and consistent flying conditions;
go from there.
eskimo
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Thanks Eskimo! I've got the feelers out already; a guy in Marietta I know has already offered to 'hook me up' with the local modelers old boy network. He rave's about the area.. which is what got my 'itch' goin' in the first place. I expect to be drivin thru to Muncie for the Nats this summer, plan on spending a week or so pokin around 'points of interest' in ohio and WV on the way back.
Lordy, but that's a nice little field there in Talmadge. Haven't met any folks from the Corsairs, but from lookin at their website they seem to have a lot goin on!
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If you play your cards right you could make an Internet reality show. Mid-North-Eastern clubs could compete by selling the quality of their club, flying field, conditions, cost of living, etc. to you. The winner gets you as a new club member!
eskimo
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LOL! Not likely.. I fly like ass; put big divits in pristine runways, give saftey officers coranarys, terrorise local sun-bathing residents with low fly-by's for better camera resolution and enjoy eating customers with bright questions. My club here will be glad to get rid of me. ;)
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Hangtime, On your way back from your trip, Go Through Parkersburg WV and take 50 East. It would definatley beat the ride home on the PA Turnpike. If your looking for a fun drive (Not with a Trailer), continue on 50 East when you arrive in Clarksburg. Windy Two Lane through the Mountains, It eventually turns 4 lane again when you get close to Winchester VA.
We take Old Route 50 in the summer, its the scenic route. In the Winter we take I68 through MD and WV.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
(All old Mose wants is his rocker on the porch.. I ate dirt, Ethan, they tought I wuz crazy, an they let me go..)
Brought a smile to my face hang. Great movie!
Frodo
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
This from a guy who lives in Alberta. :rofl
You ever been in Alberta?
Alrighty then....
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What about you? Ever been to WV or Ohio?
Lets hear your Expertise...
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Sure, both, a bunch of times.
Been all over Funked's neck of the woods a lot also. In fact, other than Alaska, I'm not sure if there's a place on the continent that I haven't spent some time in.
Listen, I'm just saying that I think Ohio and WV suck. Just my opinion. There's multitudes of other places that I think are better. YMMV - should go without saying.
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if your in to doing stuff ohio isn't the place for you. not much going on. but if your in to doing lazy stuff then ohio is awesome. i live in SW ohio and it is ok. If it wasn't for the riots, racism, and indiana drivers this place would rock.
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canada sucks dirty wanna be french, and or american, cheese eating, whine drinking, i love hockey but it sucks in the country that matters so its gone now pansys! your lucky that we don't take you's over! all you's got is trees and a weak waterfall. what has canada ever done except whine and give us a crappy sport? ALBERTA SUCKS! OHIO ROCKS! and WV is aight.
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Canada is teeming with beavar.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
(All old Mose wants is his rocker on the porch.. I ate dirt, Ethan, they tought I wuz crazy, an they let me go..)
How did I miss this in the original post? Sheer genius!
To be honest, if you want a nice place with good year round weather, modest pricing and lotsa babes, the Lake Texoma area on the Texas/Oklahoma border is pretty hard to beat. I live about 60 minutes from there and land sells for $800 to $3500 an acre. I know of plenty for sale in that range on both sides of the lake.
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Originally posted by Nash
Sure, both, a bunch of times.
Been all over Funked's neck of the woods a lot also. In fact, other than Alaska, I'm not sure if there's a place on the continent that I haven't spent some time in.
Couldnt find what you were looking for?
You have to like Outdoorsy activities to have a good time, caving, fishing, hiking, hunting, rafting and boating.
If your looking for a great night life, Well, West Virginia has its spots, but nothing extreme.
Anyway, What did you do when you visited Nash?