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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: rpm on May 19, 2005, 02:03:29 PM
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One of the local schools was having an end of the year picnic / pool party at the local city park. During the party, a 13 year old boy was pushed into the pool. The boy could not swim. The lifeguard wasn't paying attention and students had to pull the boy out after he was on the bottom of the pool for several minutes. The lifeguard did not know CPR and students had to give him CPR. The school officials lied to police and said the lifeguard and teachers pulled the boy out and started CPR. The boy is in critical condition.
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Yup
Someone will burn for this. Hope the kid turns out okay.
Mac
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Oh I hope someone gets arrested.
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Here in Az there are many near drownings each year. The news will say that the child was pulled out of the pool after sveral minutes or an unknown amount of time but that the child survived. What they fail to mention is that these kids that have spent several minutes underweater almost always have severe brain damage and they are not "OK". Yes it is good the child survived but the family is still faced w/ a horrible tragedy.
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Start with the divit that pushed the non-swimmer in, and then didn't take action for 4 minutes.
Next, I'd enquire as to how a non-swimmer got into a school organized pool trip.
THEN I'd look at the pool operators and and the lifeguard.
Sounds like a morass of liabilty issues to me.. and a healthy dose of stupidity.
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How on earth do you get to be a life guard and not know CPR?!!
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"The school officials lied to police and said the lifeguard and teachers pulled the boy out and started CPR."
This makes believe that their is also criminality. Obstruction of justice perhaps?
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Originally posted by ChickenHawk
How on earth do you get to be a life guard and not know CPR?!!
That was kinda my question too. Most places not only require it, if they are going to pay you for the job, but they also have classes to attend.
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When I was 8 my mom took us to the base pool for afterschool swim party, it was cloudy and the turnout wasnt so good. Anyways my little brother who was 5 jumped into the deep end then got into trouble, meanwhile the teacher went into the shower room for some reason and the lifeguard took this oppurtunity to flirt with this slut. So meanwhile my little brother is in trouble, me and my friend swim over as fast as we can, we get over as my brother goes down once and then we manage to pull him out. I look over and the lifeguard is still flirting. About this time my mom and her friend come to take us home, we tell them what happened, and my mom had to stop me from hitting the lifeguard in the head with a metal pool chair, because he is still flirting.
Sucks what happened to that kid.
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when i was a little kid i fell into a fish pond, on that day i learned how to "swim".
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Originally posted by Steve
Here in Az there are many near drownings each year. The news will say that the child was pulled out of the pool after sveral minutes or an unknown amount of time but that the child survived. What they fail to mention is that these kids that have spent several minutes underweater almost always have severe brain damage and they are not "OK". Yes it is good the child survived but the family is still faced w/ a horrible tragedy.
Kids brain often survive multiple minutes without oxygen leaving no brain damage. Even if they get some disability, they might recover from it. Especially if the water is cold. There has been cases of kids surviving 10 minutes under cold water without any damage to brains.
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Originally posted by ChickenHawk
How on earth do you get to be a life guard and not know CPR?!!
You don't. Not a certified one, anyway.
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Originally posted by john9001
when i was a little kid i fell into a fish pond, on that day i learned how to "swim".
My father taught me how to swim. He took me out in a boat and threw me overboard, It was remarkedly easy to swim...the hard part was getting out of that burlap bag.
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There has been cases of kids surviving 10 minutes under cold water without any damage to brains.
Uhh like I said "In AZ" .There's not a lot of cold water in AZ.
I'll make sure that my wife, who is a nurse at a hospital here in the PHX area, relays your extensive knowledge to all the parents who bring their permanently disabled kids into the hospital for their assortment of associated medical problems.
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Originally posted by weaselsan
My father taught me how to swim. He took me out in a boat and threw me overboard, It was remarkedly easy to swim...the hard part was getting out of that burlap bag.
:rofl
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Kids are more resilient than you give credit for. Even a warm water drowning is somewhere near or below 80degrees except in the dead of summer. Any temperature below that of "homeostasis" decreases the metabolic rate. Unless the submersion was greater than 10 minutes or so, the chance at normal brain function should be pretty good. Many documented cases of submersions with no brain damage, however, the lungs are a problem forever after. Regardless of the technical BS, this was a preventable incident, and I hope those who bear responsibility are punished, and that the child comes through relatively unscathed.
Originally posted by Steve
Uhh like I said "In AZ" .There's not a lot of cold water in AZ.
I'll make sure that my wife, who is a nurse at a hospital here in the PHX area, relays your extensive knowledge to all the parents who bring their permanently disabled kids into the hospital for their assortment of associated medical problems.
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What mean CPR ,cardiopulmo something ?
Btw there is no certification rules for the lifegard ?
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Fuzzy. i'm not disputing that there are times when submerged children come out fine. What I'm saying is, that in near drownings, where the kid was found in the water that
What they fail to mention is that these kids that have spent several minutes underweater almost always have severe brain damage and they are not "OK".
I'm sorry that some of you guys want to argue for the occassional exception or for the child that was submerged for only a short time but the fact remains that this is often not the case. I guess it could be that my wife and the docs who I've listened to discussing this all could be lying. It's ok with me if you want to assume every child that "nearly drowns" wakes up and runs right outside to play but according to experts who I've heard discuss this(no I'm not one) brain damage for people submerged for several minutes is the rule and not the exception.
however, the lungs are a problem forever after
This is one of the examples I meant when I said "Associated problems"
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Yeah Straffo, CPR= Cardiopulmoanry resuscitation. All lifeguard positions I have ever seen have had a mandated CPR and First Responder training prior to duty. Fact is, sudden cardiac death excepted, almsot exclusively all deaths are immediately preceded by respiratory compromise or arrest. This leads to the acronymof ABCs.
A=airway
B=breathing
C=circulation
Again with the exception noted above, most drownings are a result of respiratory issues, in which the heart keeps beating and supplying (albeit hypooxygenated) blood to the vital organs, including the brain.
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You are speaking of your wife's experiences. I am speaking through my own experience having been an Emergency Room Registered Nurse for 15 years. However this is not a debate on who is right or who is wrong. I am just of the opinion that positive thinking is more helpful than negative thoughts. I am sure we would all rather see the child pull through. Give your old lady a big
from a colleague!
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I am just of the opinion that positive thinking is more helpful than negative thoughts. I am sure we would all rather see the child pull through.
Amen.
15 years in a Vegas ER? We could spend less time talking about what you haven't seen lol. That's a job, I bet, where there are many times you really earn your $$$$.
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A quick update. The kid told another that he could not swim, the other then pushed him in, watched him sink with his arms franticly flailing, then walked away without saying a word. He has been arrested and charged with aggrivated assault.
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I am of the opinion that all Nurses earn their money every minute they work. Although there are times when it seems we are severely underpaid. Especially on every other thursday:)
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Originally posted by Steve
Amen.
15 years in a Vegas ER? We could spend less time talking about what you haven't seen lol. That's a job, I bet, where there are many times you really earn your $$$$.
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I can't even imagine not being able to swim.
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I guess it depends where you live, but don't most schools, especially those above elemntary school require swimming as part of PE?
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Originally posted by Fuzzy
I guess it depends where you live, but don't most schools, especially those above elemntary school require swimming as part of PE?
No, not around here they don`t.
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Doesnt sound like the lifeguard did anything wrong unless he lied about his skills. The guy hiering him and those in charge of security and finding staff are to blame as far as i can see.. Oh and the clueless dolt that pushed him... he cant be feeling wery good about himself now and I can help feeling alittle sad for him.
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Oh and the clueless dolt that pushed him... he cant be feeling wery good about himself now and I can help feeling alittle sad for him.
With the way some people are... he might just be sitting around wondering why everybody's hasseling him.
Charon
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Originally posted by Charon
With the way some people are... he might just be sitting around wondering why everybody's hasseling him.
Charon
yup ; (
who knows, he might be thinking it's like grand theft auto vice city where you just start over if you drown. who knows what possible corrupt views this kid has.
just for the simple fact he pushed the kid in i suspect there are some mental issues, or emotional problems.
thinking more about the original story, we had 2 incidents here in milwaukke in the past 2 years....
all young kids, and they gang-beat men to death. in 1 case, the kids were ages 9-15 and beat the man to death on his own front porch.
the other case the boys were the same age, youngest being 9, and they ebat a homeless man to death for his money and booze. when arrested they said "it was like grand theft auto"
9-14 years old.
WTF?
this kid was 13, so the offender was probably near the same age, 12-14. think about that, 7th 8th grade, almost highschool.
by 12-13 years old you KNOW what murder is, and what right and wrong are. if you dont you have "parents" that aren't worth the name "parent".
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Originally posted by Fuzzy
Yeah Straffo, CPR= Cardiopulmoanry resuscitation. All lifeguard positions I have ever seen have had a mandated CPR and First Responder training prior to duty. Fact is, sudden cardiac death excepted, almsot exclusively all deaths are immediately preceded by respiratory compromise or arrest. This leads to the acronymof ABCs.
A=airway
B=breathing
C=circulation
Again with the exception noted above, most drownings are a result of respiratory issues, in which the heart keeps beating and supplying (albeit hypooxygenated) blood to the vital organs, including the brain.
thank for the clarification (if this word exist in English :D)
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Originally posted by rpm
A quick update. The kid told another that he could not swim, the other then pushed him in, watched him sink with his arms franticly flailing, then walked away without saying a word. He has been arrested and charged with aggrivated assault.
why aggrivated assault, shouldn't it be an attempted murder charge?