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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: loser on May 19, 2005, 05:13:51 PM
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Well my computer finally gave up on me and would no longer boot.
I had shorted the MB out about 6 months ago and for some reason, with a little patience, I could get it to boot and run fairly stable.
But it just quit on me and would continuously reboot itself on the initial boot screen after the drives posted.
Anyway, took it in to get fixed and suggested to the tech that i figure the board was fried.
It was.
I get the computer back with a new MOBO (ABit VA-20) and it runs just fine.
Oh i also bought a legal copy of XP home after some fairly strong "suggesting" from the tech that i should have a legit version.
So all is well but for S and Gs i take a look at the properties tab under my computer while i was installing my stuff again. ( I guess you have to format your HD when you put in a new MB..who knew.)
My Ath XP 2600+ running at 2.03 GHZ is now an ATH XP 2000+.
My first thought is..no way this guy would be that dumb to try to swap out my CPU. It must be something else.
So i phone him up and he tells me that he had to set the jumpers on the board in such a way to recognize my chip as a 2000+ or it wouldnt boot.
He also tells me that some ATH chips had been mislabeled fro the plant and it might have been a 2000.
I tell him that no, it showed as what it should have been before i took it in.
Anyway I kind of accepted his reason/excuse...until a Squaddie helped me out with a program called CPU-Z that indentifies the processor regardless of jumper position etc.
Yup, it is now a XP 2000= running at 1.66 GHZ.
I still have the bill and retail box from the 2600.
I go to talk to him and was very calm and reasonable.
I told him, without directly accusing him of anything, that I know something is up, and he has ONE chance to make this right.
He immedialty gets ultra-defensive and tries a few more excuses..before telling me to "get the **** out of his store"
He also gives me back my old board and throw my usb cables at me that i had left behind. (not hard enough to be considered assault in my books..but technically ...yeah)
So wtf woudl you suggest i do?
Dont really want to go the small claims route. as it would be a pain in the bellybutton and i would basically have to prove that the 2600+ was in there when i brought it in.. I dont know if my receipt will be enough.
Get the cops involved? is that theft?
anyway.. thoughts and suggestions welcomed.
THX
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Call the police. It's theft.
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call the police, report all that you said, provide proof, then, also file assault charges for him throwing the stuff at you. I assume you have witnesses? Either way, call the police and report the guy, also call the better business bureau they will log your complaint.
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Mmm... well, my Athlon ID changes along with certain jumper settings in my CMOS.
Additionally, on Pricewatch, the Athlon XP 2000+ sells for $73. The Athlon XP 2600 333 sells for $72, and the Athlon XP 2600 straight sells for $82.
I think... your motherboard is misconfigured. You guys, there is no reason for the tech to steal the chip, and the Athlons 'true-id' is as reported by the motherboard.
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Concur with Chairboy.
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i'd do a seach with google first to make sure, type in the cpu and mobo and add "trouble shooting". if there is a prob with that setup there should be a few forums with messages about it.
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He Faa-Qed ya brother ! This type of thing happens alot more than most think, he took your chip.(if im correct that chip had decent over clocking potential)
My dad had a dude rebuild a system i built for him, i used all high end parts, but when i cam to visit my dad the 1 gig of ddr 400 I PUT IN IT WASNT IN THE SYSTEM! tHE DUDE STOLE THE GOOD STUFF! and swapped it out with DDR 333 crapola!
Dudes no longer in business nor around the area by the time i figured this all out! I wonder why? LOL
Bust his arse , hes a shotty computer geek that needs a lesson learned!
PS i had a girl (we had relations 4 months ago) stop by out of the blue monday take 3 credit cards and 2 debit cards........in a matter of 2.5 hours she racked up $940 between 2 cards at 6 different stores. I went to walk my dog while she was on the phone, she went to my room got in my wallet and took the cards then went threw my files and found my PIN! Sneaky Beeotch! only reason i found out is my wallet was left open and as i was cancelling the cards my bank calle me to ask about the spending!
edit : go into the bios and see what iut says! or pull the chip and clean the heat sink goo off and see what the chip label says!
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There's no reason at all for the tech to steal the chip, especially not for the price difference involved. Plus, MY Athlon 2200 XP swore up and down it was actually an Athlon XP 1800+ after I switched motherboards until I reset the timing switches correctly.
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Check your FSB settings. There are three types of 2600+ chips out there.
I have the Barton core 333Mhz FSB, 512L2 cache.
It read as a 2000+... but that was because the FSB was set to 133. Setting it to 166, it then called it a 2600+.
I'd advise you to go into your motherboard BIOS setup and verify.
-SW
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I hope you apologize to the guy if you find out that you weren't ripped off.
If someone came into my store and called me a thief, I don't know if I'd show quite the same aplomb as he did.
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Check your FSB settings. There are three types of 2600+ chips out there.
I have the Barton core 333Mhz FSB, 512L2 cache.
It read as a 2000+... but that was because the FSB was set to 133. Setting it to 166, it then called it a 2600+.
I'd advise you to go into your motherboard BIOS setup and verify.
-SW
Even if thats the case ild feel ripped off cause the TECH or shop owner ( i think is who he dealt with) is using a sub standard board that wont work at the CPU's potential!
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Sometimes auto-detect on some motherboards combined with some Athlon CPUs does not work properly.
My motherboard is far from sub-standard, but without an up-to-date BIOS it could not auto detect this particular model of the 2600+... because there are 3 versions and one of them is a 133Mhz FSB with a higher clock multiplier, so it set the FSB to 133Mhz.
-SW
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CPU-Z should still detect what the chip is, regardless of the motherboard.
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Nope. Just tested.
180Mhz FSB = 2600+
133Mhz FSB = 2000+
-SW
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Boxbox, you're exposing a deficiency in your computer knowledge. I'd advise you to quit while you're ahead, but we'll have to settle for 'quit before you fall further behind'.
StarOfAfrica, search Usenet, there are plenty of people who's CPU Z reading changes when they adjust the FSB. Nothing magical about it.
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I had an Abit cheap **** MB and AMD chip and I could never get the damn Motherboard to detect the chip as the right speed either. Abit is junk, you might as well have gone with ECS. As bad as people claim they are I have set up a bunch of cheapy systems for friends with their Motherboards and everyone works great. Including my main work system a AMD 64 3400plus...
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am I oversimplifying this or couldn't you just pop off the heat-sink and see what's written on the processor?
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Well, yes you can... but then you have to reapply the heat sink compound.
-SW
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The probability that Occams Razor is in play is approaching unity.
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i think it was lazs who said " headshots, practice headshots"
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Sounds to me like the only gripe you got was a motherboard that wasnt completely compatible with your chip.
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Originally posted by Raider179
Sounds to me like the only gripe you got was a motherboard that wasnt completely compatible with your chip.
You misspelled 'configured for'.
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You can't let this dude rip you off home boy- he is disrespectin you and if you let him get away with it then everybody in the Hood will be disrespectin you.
You gotta kill the sucker. Otherwise you're a chump.
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Just stand outside his shop and tell every person entering the store your story. You may not get your money back, but you will cost him enough business that he won't make any money off of ripping you off.
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Boxbox, you're exposing a deficiency in your computer knowledge. I'd advise you to quit while you're ahead, but we'll have to settle for 'quit before you fall further behind'.
StarOfAfrica, search Usenet, there are plenty of people who's CPU Z reading changes when they adjust the FSB. Nothing magical about it.
LOL chair! i know a bit more than i can adiquitly explain! there in lies the problem! (yes im typing and spelling impared)
Im an AMD guy (no not a fan boi) i like AMD and prefer AMD. ive built several systems based on AMD and when doing my searches (at that time) the only chip worthits money was the 2500 for th OC'ing ablility!
Mine runs at 2.3G and the FSB is at 200. ( i could go higher but im happy)
Either Loser got a crappy chip from the get go or they guy ripped him off. Only way we'll ever know is if he give us the full chip (CPU) code to tell what model (the CPU) really is!
but ill let the guy stuck in the chair Keep talking!
BTW Chair not nice to run your mouth at some one trying to help another guy out! a guy i met and know!(the con 2003):rolleyes:
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Originally posted by boxboy28
Either Loser got a crappy chip from the get go or they guy ripped him off.
Or neither, as I had explained the flavors of the 2600+ and the inadequacies of particular BIOS revisions.
-SW
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CPU-Z should still detect what the chip is, regardless of the motherboard.
It doesn't, it reports what the BIOS is telling it.
I've got an Asus A8NX, I had an old Athlon 2400 that the board recognised. That cpu started playing up, I got a new 2800, the BIOS recognised it as a 2000 iirc, CPU-Z did the same.
Only after downloading the latest BIOS update did the board recognise the CPU correctly (at which point CPU-Z did as well)
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Originally posted by boxboy28
BTW Chair not nice to run your mouth at some one trying to help another guy out! a guy i met and know!(the con 2003):rolleyes:
1. Bad advice is worse then no help.
2. You having met him in person doesn't improve your comprehension of the problem.
How many people need to share their personal experience with FSB modified CPU speeds before you stop 'helping' with bad info?
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Heh...I love it when a genuine question turns into a "I know more than yooooou" flamefest.
I may be the geek building the R2-D2 but I cant hold a candle to some of ya :p
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Originally posted by Chairboy How many people need to share their personal experience with FSB modified CPU speeds before you stop 'helping' with bad info?
Oo oo me me! When I built my old 3000+ system a couple of years ago it wouldn't recognize as a 3000+ until I had to switch my jumper cables. After I switched it to 166 multiplier.. BAM! It worked.
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It won't boot at 166 FSB,,and that's the main issue,if this "tech" has underclocked the CPU so that it will boot,either it's faulty or not supported by the MOBO properly,,should never have left the shop in that condition.
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Originally posted by AKS\/\/ulfe
Or neither, as I had explained the flavors of the 2600+ and the inadequacies of particular BIOS revisions.
-SW
Dude, you don't know WTF you're talking about. If we ever meet I woill slime your glasses and beat you with my pencil pouch. :mad:
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your gonna have to pull the hs and look 1st at the numbers to be shure its the 2600+
wcpuid wont tell you what it is ... just what the clocking is then use whats apropreate .. AE
a 2500+ barton set at
10x200 = 2.0 ghz will show as a 2400+
at 11x 200 = 2.2 ghz it shows as a 3200+
my 2500+ mbarton on water w/ ice oced to this (http://s90945482.onlinehome.us/roosite/Secret%20link%20folder/XP2500@3614.jpg)
see it doesnt show what the cpu is anymore... (Whistles quietly as i rma'ed the ram afterwards )
my boot screen says the same thing when starting .. it had that unknown cpu when booting at those ultra high clocking.
So id investigate befor calling foul .. but i would ask for a mainboard thats equal to what was removed though.
(If ya need any more wcpuid pics of different clocking just yell and ill clock mine up and down to show ya more )
Steely is correct ...
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Thank you Rosco,,i just want Loser to get all the speed he's paid for :)
And i have it in for cowboy technicians,,but that's a diff story :)
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Loser you have a way with people don't you? :D
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I would still report the usb cable throwing abuse, or maybe id just return to the store with some nasty cat5 cables and hurl them at the nasty man.
Nerdfight!
:rofl
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Originally posted by LePaul
Heh...I love it when a genuine question turns into a "I know more than yooooou" flamefest.
I may be the geek building the R2-D2 but I cant hold a candle to some of ya :p
What a valuable contribution to the subject at hand LePaul....you should be very proud.
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Just in case you did get ripped off........Call PETA and inform them that this store is slaying chickens to make feathered cases for uber gaming computers.
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canadian cpu's have been devalued is all.
lazs
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The real question is
When he threw the USB cables... were they 1.1 or 2.0?
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I have an XP 2500 chip and if the FSB jumpers on the MB arent set right, it shows up at 1100 mhz on startup and under system properties. When I got inside and changed the jumpers to the correct setting, it now shows up as a XP 2500 chip. My bet is the MB jumpers got screwed around by a retarded techie at that computer shop.
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Hmmmm....we haven't heard from Loser after his initial post. This couldn't have been a cleverly disguised TROLL, could it?
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Maybe he is still tangeled up in his usb cables. We should send sensei Skuzzy over with some lessons in the martial art of cablewarfare.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Maybe he is still tangeled up in his usb cables. We should send sensei Skuzzy over with some lessons in the martial art of cablewarfare.
Ahhhhaaahahahahah...after reading all this advice, he prolly cancelled his account!
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There are no jumper settings on an Abit board. It is all software based in the CMOS before windows bootup..
I don't have much experience w/ Abit and AMD (have lots w/ Abit and intel) but I would first reset all the MB settings to default incase your tech guy has done something wrong and allow the MB to recognize the chip again.. From there is its rather easy to manipulate the FSB from the CMOS settings as well as core votage, memory timings, etc...
I have used abit boards for a good 6-7 years now and never lost a single one..
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Originally posted by aztec
What a valuable contribution to the subject at hand LePaul....you should be very proud.
Well yay Aztec. If there's one flame i can alwys count on..:rolleyes:
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no no, not a troll.
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Originally posted by loser
no no, not a troll.
Heh, there ya are. Was j/k, anyway:p
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Pay no mind to Chairboy. His idea of wit is nothing more than an incisive observation humorously phrased and delivered with impeccable timing.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
I would still report the usb cable throwing abuse, or maybe id just return to the store with some nasty cat5 cables and hurl them at the nasty man.
Nerdfight!
:rofl
Huh? Cat5 cables? You Nords are wusseys!!! I'd say go with the 64 pair cable! Be a MAN!!!
:D
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Originally posted by Suave
Pay no mind to Chairboy. His idea of wit is nothing more than an incisive observation humorously phrased and delivered with impeccable timing.
Hey, I got that Chanel outfit for a steal, what more could I ask for?
I wonder if Loser's brooding silence stems from it becoming rapidly clear that he accused an innocent man of theft. The questions are: Does he fess up? If so, will be it just to us? Or will he man up and apologize to the computer guy? Next, how does he feel about this anonymous squadder who confidently asserted that indeed, "the CPU was switched out" when he erroneously relied on CPU Z too much?
Or is he hoping the thread will just sort of go away?
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Or is he hoping the thread will just sort of go away?
Think we can pretty much rule that out, unless cable guy locks it.
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I say use the solution to most every problem, wait for him to come out of his store and hit him with a stick when he isnt looking. Sure he might be innocent of messing with your system, and it might be all your mistake, but he IS more then likely guilty of something sometime in his life. So therefore deserves to be hit with a stick. :rofl
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I stand corrected on the CPU-Z information. I was simply using my own experience. I pushed my 2600 up to 2.3 Ghz by upping the FSB to 200 and CPU-Z still shows it as an XP 2600+ (even though my BIOS recognizes it only as "AthlonXP 2.31Ghz"). I have no idea how this can be if CPU-Z simply reads from the BIOS, but I know it happens. Thats why I assumed it would accurately report the CPU regardless of changes.
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I guess loser lost
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Originally posted by LePaul
Well yay Aztec. If there's one flame i can alwys count on..:rolleyes:
The irony, glass houses neighbor.
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Well, I guess we have our answer. Too bad loser isn't gonna man up and apologize to the guy he accused. Pretty sad state of affairs, and disappointing. His continued absence seems to be pretty good evidence of that.
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Or man up and hit him with a stick.
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...anybody else miss the hilarious significance of a thread titled 'I got ripped off" with the thread starters id being 'Loser'?
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Is 'foreshadowing" the right word here?
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
I stand corrected on the CPU-Z information. I was simply using my own experience. I pushed my 2600 up to 2.3 Ghz by upping the FSB to 200 and CPU-Z still shows it as an XP 2600+ (even though my BIOS recognizes it only as "AthlonXP 2.31Ghz"). I have no idea how this can be if CPU-Z simply reads from the BIOS, but I know it happens. Thats why I assumed it would accurately report the CPU regardless of changes.
I just tossed that up for general info ... try cpuid with a applebred or a sempron and watch it freak .. it says unknown cpu most of the time .... lol , but it will show its clocking ect ..
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Well, I guess we have our answer. Too bad loser isn't gonna man up and apologize to the guy he accused. Pretty sad state of affairs, and disappointing. His continued absence seems to be pretty good evidence of that.
I hope the powder keg you're holding blows up in your face. Your ineptness or Net Ninja-dom are amusing me more than anything else.
Chairboy, I think where you and everyone else differ is simple. People offering suggestions to remedy a problem, are better than acting like a d*ck. :aok
Karaya
PS - Boxboy was a former co-worker and I also met Loser at the 2003 con. He is NOT a liar. Did you jackazzes think that maybe since his computer IS BROKEN it might be a tad bit difficult to POST in here?
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long weekend chair, maybe he went fish'n.
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You might be right Torque. Masher, I didn't call loser a liar, I suggested that he made a mistake by jumping the gun and accusing someone of theft by mistake.
Also, I think offering suggestions is great, but tell me this: If someone has the flu, and someone else helpfully suggests that they can heal it by applying a tourniquet, is the 3rd party that says 'hold on a minute....' really a dick?
BTW, if his computer is broken, you have any thoughts on how he posted the problem & ran CPU Z in the first place? That's another example of just not thinking things through. You can do better, mash.
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Wow Chair.......just wow.
First off, I didnt directly accuse the guy of anything. I just new something was up. I just showed him the report and asked him to explain it to me. I never mentioned the words "steal" or "switched" or anything of the sort. It kind of shocked me that HE jumped to that conclusion. I was willing to chalk it up to an honest mistake or listen to his explanation as to why it was showing what it did.
But the fact of the matter is: He didnt mention anything when i was paying for the computer about it running slower..for any reason whatsoever.
When I discovered this fact on my own, I simply called him to ask him what was up. He gave me reasons like: some CPUs were mislabeled (after which i informed him that It clocked right before,) that the CPU must have been "partially damaged," and that "he couldnt do anyhting about it."
All of that stuff didnt fly for me.
I havent pulled the heatsink off yet, which i guess i will have to in order to be sure. I hope it is fairly obvious and I wont have to go decoding a bunch of numbers to figure out just which processor it is.
The simple fact is, I either got ripped off, which if that is not the case I'm more than man up to admit and aplogize for indirectly accusing the guy of ripping me off going with the info I had when i made the said quasi-accustation; or he was hiding something (the fact that my computer would now run 25% slower) that he should have informed me about before I paid for the work and left the store.
Either way I was deceived, plain and simple.
Like I said, i wont know for sure I guess unless iI pull this thing apart, but regardless of that, the guy flipped out when I wanted a wrong righted.
That only added suspicion to whole case.
I was more than polite and curteous with him on both occasions...not losing my cool in the least or firing off direct accusations as you have assumed.
Ill be sure to let everyone know what happened when I get this resolved. RIght or wrong.
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Originally posted by Pooh21
I say use the solution to most every problem, wait for him to come out of his store and hit him with a stick when he isnt looking. Sure he might be innocent of messing with your system, and it might be all your mistake, but he IS more then likely guilty of something sometime in his life. So therefore deserves to be hit with a stick. :rofl
Why did this make me laugh? I just don't get it, but I laughed... go figure.
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Heh heh heh...
Offer him a drink Loser! :D
Couldn't resist.
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Never a dull moment, eh loser?:)
vaq