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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: lazs2 on May 21, 2005, 12:45:04 PM
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in enjoyment of the things we like to do... no riding around in the back of pickups say.
My son gave me a BMW motorcycle and I fixed about everythintg I could so that all that was left was to ride the damn thing. I quit riding before there was a helmet law here in the peoples republic of california...
How much does the helmet take away from the experiance? Well.. the first one I borrowed was a full head one and it was about like killing 50% of the whole riding experiance... I bought a "novelty" helmet (looks legal but is just a light shell) and that wasn't/isn't too bad... only kills about 25% of the experiance of riding... even at that... it is a pain to drag around and... what if you want to give someone a ride? Am I suppossed to cary another stupid helmet around? silly crap.
lazs
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:lol
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Laz, get the hell out of dodge. Arizona has no helmet law.
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do you really need a helmet?
I mean.... youre Lazs
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Originally posted by Nilsen
do you really need a helmet?
I mean.... youre Lazs
It's BS to force someone to wear a helmet. Why not force all people to wear helmets in cars?
Maybe force automakers to install roll bars and crash cages in all cars.
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yeah... but its lazs
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Originally posted by Nilsen
yeah... but its lazs
I think what Nilsen is trying to say is that and severe head injury Lazs may incure at this juncture may in fact be an inprovment.
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:D
or simply that he is a helmet
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nevermind... i googled for lazs, and here he is
http://www.vms.chem.univ.kiev.ua/history/foto/lazs.jpg
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gawdammit, nils, coffee ejected thru sinuses is phreakin painful!
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(http://www.mitchking.com/stuff/darkhelmut.jpg)
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Originally posted by Hangtime
gawdammit, nils, coffee ejected thru sinuses is phreakin painful!
Then use one of these like the rest of us
(http://www.torebrings.se/undersidor/kaffebryggare/moccamaster/clubline.jpg)
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Then use one of these like the rest of us
(http://www.torebrings.se/undersidor/kaffebryggare/moccamaster/clubline.jpg)
Ive had one of those for twenty years. Best regular coffee maker on the planet.
:D
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Originally posted by Silat
Ive had one of those for twenty years. Best regular coffee maker on the planet.
:D
at the retiremet home then
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I was sure that nilsen had taken note that I had rode for 25 years and been in several accidents without ever getting a head injury.
I assumed that he meant that when you are as good looking as I am that you tend to not allow your head to smack into stuff.
Wish I had been wearing some kinda helmet on my legs and arms tho a few times.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
I was sure that nilsen had taken note that I had rode for 25 years and been in several accidents without ever getting a head injury.
guess you forgot :D
poff!
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Originally posted by Nilsen
at the retiremet home then
Ehhhh?? Let me call the nurse :)
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Originally posted by Silat
Ehhhh?? Let me call the nurse :)
hes busy telling lazs why a helmet is overkill at this point
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While I understand reasons of wearing helmet if I’m under aged, a grown man should be able to decide for himself. In high school I’ve been hit 3 times by car (It should be illegal for women to drive), and that was when I had a regular none motorized bike. Out of those three hits, thanks to helmet I went to hospital only once ( due to leg injury). If I didn’t wear that silly looking thing, I would’ve went to a hospital each time I’ve been hit.
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so you admit to riding a peddle bike with a helmet?
You were caught
In the middle of a railroad track
you looked around, and there was no turning back
your mind raced
And you knew what you could do
And you knew
There was no help, no help for you..
(thunderstruck)
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Originally posted by Nilsen
so you admit to riding a peddle bike with a helmet?
You were caught
In the middle of a railroad track
you looked around, and there was no turning back
your mind raced
And you knew what you could do
And you knew
There was no help, no help for you..
(thunderstruck)
Is that directed to me? If so then I have no idea what you just said. :confused:
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your helmet didnt work afterall then :D
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Originally posted by Nilsen
your helmet didnt work afterall then :D
No, my English didn’t work after all. WTF are you saying?
I had to get a helmet because cops kept harassing me. After getting a ticket, my parents made me get a helmet.
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and it didnt work
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Originally posted by lazs2
I was sure that nilsen had taken note that I had rode for 25 years and been in several accidents without ever getting a head injury.
I assumed that he meant that when you are as good looking as I am that you tend to not allow your head to smack into stuff.
Wish I had been wearing some kinda helmet on my legs and arms tho a few times.
lazs
Lazs,
Have an intelligent look at statistics for states,countrie what ever that do have helmet laws and those that don't and then look at the number of motorbike head injuries and/or deaths related to head injuries..
It's fine if you don't wan't to wear a helmet and I understand your statements my dad would strongly agree with you. But they really do save alot of lives and $$$ in hospital bills every year and you can't argue with that.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Gixer
But they really do save alot of lives and $$$ in hospital bills every year
not to mention posting diarea..
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Riding without a helmet is just about one of the dumbest things a person can do. I've been riding for over 10 years now and as much as I enjoy it, 4 wheel motorists make it really dangerous, so it is paramount to be as safe as possible.
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I suspect the reason there are now helmet laws is owing to the pressure aimed at law makers. Basically it says that a fair amount of motorcyclists ride with minimal insurance, usually liability. That is costing tax payers millions per year in health care costs because a fair majority of them are not insured and we, the taxpayer are footing the bills for their care after they are parapalegics, or vegetables.
Laz, I used to love riding without a helmet, I had one fall after my girlfriend at the time, convinced me to wear one (a threesome was involved of two females and me) and I can honestly say it saved my life.
Think about it, I am sure your loved ones want yas around (hell I'd even miss you), so think about getting an "approved" one just to be safe because of the idiots out there.
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I know how to get through to him....Two words "Woman Drivers"
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I was just pulling some legs lazs, russian, gixer, silat..
sorry :cool:
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so gixer... any activity that is likely to cost taxpayers money should be heavily regulated or banned? I really don't know how much head injuries cost but I have full insurance on both the bike and me. I know more people drown in public pools than ever die or are seriously injured with a head injury on a motorcyle. If we made em all wear lifejackets in the pool then it would save a bundle eh?
How bout banning rock climbing or only allowing hikeing with a guide so no one gets lost and the rescuers areent put in danger? perhaps not allowing anyone on the ski slopes unless there is not chance of avalanche?
no.. it is wrong to make people wear helmets. But that is not the point.
The point is how much of the riding experiance is removed by wearing helmets.. I think it is about 25-50%
bodhi... wear one if you like. I sure notice that everyone who wears one.... smacks the heavy, oversize and clumsy bucket on the ground the next time they fall... They allways attribute the scratches on it to ... "look, it saved my life"... The only time it is going to save your life is if you run headfirst into something hard enough to crushj your mellon and even then... it probly won't be enough.
nielsen... ride a lot do you? Or... are you just basing everything on the fact that your mom shulda put you in a helmet when you wer an infant before the unfortunate dropping on your head incident?
Perhaps you are thinking ( I use the word loosely here) that since you are a alcoholic that a helmet is a good idea? were you wearing a helmet when you crashed the boat? was your bottle wearing one?
lazs
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storm in a teacup
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i always wear my helmet in the shower in case i slip an fall because more people are injured in the home than on motorsicles.
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so basically helmet laws aside, for all the flaws a nanny state has to offer, you still prefer to live in one.
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IF MONEY is the biggest factor in mandatory lid laws, then noone should be allowed to eat at McDonalds or Burger King (sans a 300% fast-food-cholesterol tax), and gay men shouldnt be allowed to have sex, as aids is LIGHT years ahead of motorcycle head injuries on medical bills being paid by public
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Originally posted by lazs2
in enjoyment of the things we like to do... no riding around in the back of pickups say.
My son gave me a BMW motorcycle and I fixed about everythintg I could so that all that was left was to ride the damn thing. I quit riding before there was a helmet law here in the peoples republic of california...
How much does the helmet take away from the experiance? Well.. the first one I borrowed was a full head one and it was about like killing 50% of the whole riding experiance... I bought a "novelty" helmet (looks legal but is just a light shell) and that wasn't/isn't too bad... only kills about 25% of the experiance of riding... even at that... it is a pain to drag around and... what if you want to give someone a ride? Am I suppossed to cary another stupid helmet around? silly crap.
lazs
I tell ya. Repeal the oppressive laws! People should have the right to use their heads! Head trauma only kills 100% of the riding experience.
No really. I'm with ya. If guvmint would keep their nose outa our freedom of choice then the Darwin factor could help our society weed out. :D
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arlo... that would be fine. Let nature take it's course. I dissagree that 100% of the riders that get a head injury die tho... seems a little high.
torque.. to be honest I will leave the state in a few years. It has been good to me tho I must admit. Housing market can make you a millionare here by simply staying in the same house or trading up for a relatively few years... it is then easy to go to another state and buy two or three homes cash with the profit from the nanny state one....
The wages are high and if you have a wage based retirement plan you will have a lot of money in the new place you move to.
Downside is... if you sell your shack and then want to continue to live in Ca. you will have to pay the same of more for an equal shack and.... your retirement income doesn't buy much in Ca.
But... the thread wasn't about how dangerous it may or may not be to ride without a helmet... it is about how much a helmet takes away from the experiance..
So far the people that are replying seem to be the ones who have never (or barely) ridden bikes and they are just mouthing cliches. Arlo, beetle, nielsen... what do they know about it?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
arlo... that would be fine. Let nature take it's course. I dissagree that 100% of the riders that get a head injury die tho... seems a little high.
So far the people that are replying seem to be the ones who have never (or barely) ridden bikes and they are just mouthing cliches. Arlo, beetle, nielsen... what do they know about it?
lazs
Didn't say 100% die. I said it takes away from the experience 100%. ;) There was a guy in my squadron that ended up in the hospital in a semi-veg state a year before I rotated. Some said it really didn't change him as much as the docs claimed. As far as I know he may still be there. If ya get a head injury on a bike I bet the chances of getting back up and on your bike with just a "head rush and a wahoo" are pretty slim, eh? Ain't seen it happen but I've seen worse.
What do I know about motorcycles? Been riding them for twenty-eight years. Still alive and got all my faculties. Of course, I've met a few who've ridden that long without a helmet who're still alive. Not sure they ever had all their faculties though. :D
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First of all lasz3, you seem to have missed my special humor and secondly I have had my share of driving 2 wheelers.
The first one is my bad, but how you concluded with number 2 is beyond me.
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Originally posted by lazs2
But... the thread wasn't about how dangerous it may or may not be to ride without a helmet... it is about how much a helmet takes away from the experiance..
So far the people that are replying seem to be the ones who have never (or barely) ridden bikes and they are just mouthing cliches. Arlo, beetle, nielsen... what do they know about it?
lazs
I know you're alot more likely to snap your neck with all that extra weight on top unless you wear the next brace with it like we do in kart racing.
We went through something similar in paintball. Alot of us used to just play in goggles only, no face shield, no ear protectors. Very comfortable, much cooler, easier to hear, doesn't muffle up your own voice, etc. Then the insurance companies stepped in. Now it's full face masks & ear protection. Now, taking a .68 caliber hard-shell gelitan cannonball in the lip at 280 fps usually left you spitting blood... it was worth it from the comfort factor.
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Yup ... spitting blood IS comfortable. :D
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I just got back from New Mexico where they are currently enforcing tough new seat belt laws. But you can ride a motorcycle without a helmet there still.
That makes sense....NOT.
I say let 'em ride without helmets...call it a "cull".
:aok
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Originally posted by Arlo
Yup ... spitting blood IS comfortable. :D
I'd rather have a fat lip & spit blood for a few minutes once a year than spend hours at a time with my face pouring sweat, trapped in a plastic & rubber cage.
For awhile at least you could go without ear protectors (the pads in them give me major headaches), and you could cut down your lower mask, still protecting your mouth from most angles, but thankfully ditching all the excess coverage that turns your head into a dutch oven. Then they took that away from us too :( Now we sweat.
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Originally posted by indy007
I'd rather have a fat lip & spit blood for a few minutes once a year than spend hours at a time with my face pouring sweat, trapped in a plastic & rubber cage.
Hey, man. Like I said ... I'm all for freedom of choice! I bet them goggles fogging is a pain too. :D
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Originally posted by Arlo
Hey, man. Like I said ... I'm all for freedom of choice! I bet them goggles fogging is a pain too. :D
Nah, it's really rare to see lenses that aren't double-paned thermals. They work great. On top of that, they make no-fog sprays that work okay. The best trick though is deoderant. Put alittle clearstick on your forehead & cheeks, and they won't even fog in the nastiest, most humid Houston night. My PVS-7 lenses fogged before my goggles did.
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Damn! I was hoping to get some eyes put out because it's worth it. ;)
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Originally posted by Arlo
Damn! I was hoping to get some eyes put out because it's worth it. ;)
Ahh, the story behind the reason. Well, it happened to somebody I met (I want to say his name is Jeff Kraft). He was walking out to run some drills, with his angel turned on, with a 1/2 mm pull, no trigger-return spring, no trigger guard, cradled in his arm pointing at his face, loaded with paint, with the air tank valve open, no barrel plug, and his goggles pushed up over his eyes...
Normally a story like this involves real firearms & a darwin award.
iirc, he stepped over a hole, the weight of the trigger depressed the microswitch, the bounces on the switch each registered as a "pull", spitting 3 paintballs vertically across his face. I can't remember if it was shell fragments that cut up his eye or it was a detatched retina. Either way, he survived. He even returned to 20/20 vision in that eye after just a few months.
So because some moron can't follow ANY of the basic safety principles (and field rules that he signed a paper saying he read, plus insurance waivers, etc)... now alot of us get to suffer.
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Ouch! But still I say it goes more to promoting safety than "full experience."
But I still support less nannying over it.
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Hmm... how many lives would be saved if people had to wear helmets in their cars? If head injuries are minor is cars why do they insist I wear a helmet when I race?
How bout life jackets in the pool? a thread here is about a poor kid who woulda been saved if he had been wearing a life jacket in a public pool... how bout no swimming period? that would save a lot of lives eh?
I rode for decades and never heard of anyone who was turned into a vegetable from a head injury... the guys I know who died usually did so from massive injuries. When the helmet law was passed they went to the hospital to find all these poor turnips that had been made into veggies from not wearing a helmet and now were costing us millions... they found a few turnips but no bikers... just near drowning victims who had not gooten air for a long time before recessitation.
nilsen... I am sure that with your special friends you humor is appreciated... or maybe I just have to be drunk? so tell me... how many of your wussie friends have been saved by helmets? How many have been turned into turnips cause they didn't?
quality of life is better than quantity. I am telling you that smelling a sweaty helmet that dulls your senses is very destructive to quality of riding. I never wore a helmet when I flew ultralights either...
If you crash anthing bad enough that a helmet will save your head.... the rest of your body is gonna die and take it with it anyway.
sheesh... you sissies probly wear a full body condom when you watch a porno movie.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
Hmm... how many lives would be saved if people had to wear helmets in their cars? If head injuries are minor is cars why do they insist I wear a helmet when I race?
How bout life jackets in the pool? a thread here is about a poor kid who woulda been saved if he had been wearing a life jacket in a public pool... how bout no swimming period? that would save a lot of lives eh?
I rode for decades and never heard of anyone who was turned into a vegetable from a head injury... the guys I know who died usually did so from massive injuries. When the helmet law was passed they went to the hospital to find all these poor turnips that had been made into veggies from not wearing a helmet and now were costing us millions... they found a few turnips but no bikers... just near drowning victims who had not gooten air for a long time before recessitation.
nilsen... I am sure that with your special friends you humor is appreciated... or maybe I just have to be drunk? so tell me... how many of your wussie friends have been saved by helmets? How many have been turned into turnips cause they didn't?
quality of life is better than quantity. I am telling you that smelling a sweaty helmet that dulls your senses is very destructive to quality of riding. I never wore a helmet when I flew ultralights either...
If you crash anthing bad enough that a helmet will save your head.... the rest of your body is gonna die and take it with it anyway.
sheesh... you sissies probly wear a full body condom when you watch a porno movie.
lazs
The more you post, the more obvious your head injuries become. :D
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arlo... I have never had a head injury except broken noses and such. You guys are the ones who claim to be the experts on head injuries and know about the secret hospitals full of brain dead bikers that the women you voted for have saved the rest of us from becoming.
How many turnips per capita in the states that have helmet laws compared to those states that let the rider decide? How much is the helmet law saving in money and lives? Is the accident rate up in the states that make people wear helmets so that they are vison and hearing impaired?
Putting a wood floor in my kitchen. just realized I am not wearing safety glasses and my skillsaw doesn't have a child safety trigger! I even wired up the guard for a few cuts!
shore starting when taking off on one waterski is the way to go... it's illegal now.
Where exactly do you girls draw the line? do you even have a line?
Why did you even move out of your moms house?
lazs
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Can you, like, take a prozac or sumpin'? Cramp pills? That time of month already? Secret hospital? Not so much. LOL Thinking he was transferred to Baptist or Methodist in Memphis from the base. I fully support your freedom, dontcha get it? If you managed to dodge the Darwin factor to date, I think that's great too. Who love's ya, baby? But yeah ... wear a condum in the sewer, dude. Well ... just a suggestion. Ain't tryin' to infringe yer freedom. ;) :D
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Stop oppressing lazs Arlo.:lol
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Neh. We're buddies. I think. :(
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Originally posted by lazs2
nilsen... I am sure that with your special friends you humor is appreciated... or maybe I just have to be drunk? so tell me... how many of your wussie friends have been saved by helmets? How many have been turned into turnips cause they didn't?
I'm not sure lazs, but I don't think any of my special friends have been in any serious accidents. I hope not.
They are prolly so special tho that I would not know the difference.
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Lazs, I agree it takes away from the experience. I also agree 100% that it should be a person's right to decide whether to use the "protection" of a helmet (unless they are underage). Luckily, Hawaii allows me that choice as an adult (although they still require seatbelts, I dont know how they justify that one). However, when I ride now I DO wear a helmet, because if I dont I give my wife a coronary. And I admit, its probably safer. But as for the expense of it all, she has it in writing if I get vegetablized in an accident, to pull the plug. Thats my risk, one I'm willing to take. I dont risk it so much anymore, for her sake, but again thats a choice I made.
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One more thin I didnt think of earlier-- Most states require helmets, but have ****e to say about any other riding attire--road rash from dumarse 21 year-olds with crotch-rockets leads to HEAP higher bills than the relative-few with head injuries---Non-riders always wonder why biker-types wear leather: ever hit pavement with shorts and a pair of flip-flops, they would no longer wonder:(
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seriously guys... there just aren't any bikers being spoon fed your tax dollars hidden away in state hospitals. If you get a bad enough head injury you die. If you don't die your insurance pays... Most of the "bikers" are middle aged accountants or kids these days... the accountants have insurance and the kids will allways figure out a way to end up in the hospital even without ever seeing a motorcycle..
I wear a helmet racing cars but didn't used to when we weren't required... probly still wouldn't but it takes very little away from drag racing or autocross. I wear hearing protection and at least sunglasses when I shoot but have been known to not... Nowdays I can't see for crap anyway up close so have to wear glasses to shoot anyway.
I allways rode with sunglasses. I don't like getting hit in the eye by a rock or a bug.
It doesn't cost the states without helmet laws any more than it does the ones that don't except for tax revenue on helmets.
I wear seatbelts if they are lap ones but won't wear the ones that come in new cars. Both my old cars have lap belts but in the Lincoln I just go retro and do without em. Lap belts have never bothered me so I use em... I still don't think there should be a law requiring them tho.
lazs
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I gutted the "novelty" helmet I bought and use a baseball cap for a liner (like the marines did in WWII).. it works fine and at about a dozen ounces the stupid thing is not much worse than wearing a baseball cap... but I never wear those either..
I have gotten a few tickets for no seatbelt. Good thing is that so many sheep are complying these days that they don't even check for em much anymore... they don't seem to be looking.
The cop that gave me the last ticket asked why I wasn't wearing my seatbelt. I said I didn't like the crappy cross the chest ones in the new cars... He said "too confineing?" I told him that he could write that down if it made him feel better. He said that a full body cast was "confineing" too.
I told him that A full body cast discomfort only lasts like 6 months tops but a new car "cross your heart" seatbelt is a lifetime of anoying.
Seriously... anyone here really ever get used to the seatbelts they put in cars these days?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
... seriously guys... there just aren't any bikers being spoon fed your tax dollars hidden away in state hospitals. If you get a bad enough head injury you die. If you don't die your insurance pays... Most of the "bikers" are middle aged accountants or kids these days...
Mmmmmmright. What I remembered happening to someone didn't happen because you didn't want it to. ;)
I not only support your right to ride without a helmet, I support your right to chainsmoke filterless cigs, have unprotected sex with prostitutes, inject dangerous drugs into your veins and wave guns at the cops.
How much more accomodating can I be here? :D
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You are a prince arlo. I wish everyone felt about it as you do. Very reaonable attitude...
When I did smoke I smoked 3 packs of non filter camels a day. No ill affects except a constant "throat clearing" and cigg stink on me and everything I owned.
Some people are pretty poor specimens and should protect every aspect of their life tho... mold can kill em... cat fur will hospitalize em... they choke to death on peanut butter... They can use every safety device known to man for all I care but just leave me out of it.
As for your friend... I believe you but... How much did he cost us? It was his decision right? He coulda ended up the same or worse from near drowning in a public pool.
lazs
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Wouldn't call him a "friend", per say. But yeah, the odds were against him NOT seriously hurting himself or dying as a result of his own stupidity on a daily basis. What can I say, Navy standards were pretty low then. And before you say it ... I'm pretty sure he made me look good. ;)
I'm all for safety of the kids. But I miss alot of things that aren't doable without citation now, myself. I just prefer a helmet on a bike. If I had my druthers, though, it wouldn't be a DOT one but a re-wired flight helmet circa 1970s. I *am* a hopeless geek. :D
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I agree with lazs to a point, but I also see another side of the story. The emt and others who respond to the scene of an accident. And you can't compare a car to a cycle, kind of silly. We would get the the New Hampshire border and take off our helmets, good times
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Last time I crashed my bike my helmet broke my collar bone.. I could say 'damn helmet' or something but it prolly saved my life..
But in the end it should be choice.. Not law.. Thats the insurance companies that rule the world influencing our polititians..