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General Forums => Custom Skins => Topic started by: JB73 on May 22, 2005, 12:48:21 AM
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here's some updates...
NO weathering or anything done, and i am "tweaking" the colors a bit still, but this give youi an idea.
last is a pic of a model someone did i found online for reference.
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/180_1116740729_002.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/180_1116740715_001.jpg)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/180_1116740845_fw190d9cm_2.jpg)
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Colors really light
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Originally posted by jetb123
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Totally un-called for !!! He is putting it out here for constructive input ... not to be trashed.
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instead of taking the lighter color and making it the bottom paint, make the wings their normal color and then weather over them, by weather i dont mean scrathcs i mean fading, dirt, and oil. Think how the scratches would form and why the wings are that faded and work it in!
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Originally posted by jetb123
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i am sorry you are such a fragile person that a picture from a game makes you physically sick.
i'd have some off-color remark about you and you inability to do most anything right in this world, including getting a job to earn money so you can actually PLAY aces high instead of troll the boards like a lost puppy dog. you know when you get to hish school there are usually alot more kids, many you have never met. it is entirely possible you will find at least 1 that is willing to be a friend, stranger things have happened.
until that day, leave you feeble attempts at criticism to yourself. what have you ever done to help the game other than be an example of the worst kind of person involved in aces high?
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Originally posted by SkyChimp
Colors really light
i actually darkened them from the paint chips i got.
that's the color tweaks i am working on. the only one that looks right in game is the brown
there is still a TON of work to do.
the ebst, i hear what you are saying, but going any darker on the base colors will make it hard to get the rightcolor later, i'm playing wiht layers with black dropped to 4% - 8% or less opacity, darkening the overall look, while retaining the original hues and stuff.
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burn um a tad 5% should do just 1 time thats all :D
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Off topic
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Originally posted by JB73
i am sorry you are such a fragile person that a picture from a game makes you physically sick.
i'd have some off-color remark about you and you inability to do most anything right in this world, including getting a job to earn money so you can actually PLAY aces high instead of troll the boards like a lost puppy dog. you know when you get to hish school there are usually alot more kids, many you have never met. it is entirely possible you will find at least 1 that is willing to be a friend, stranger things have happened.
until that day, leave you feeble attempts at criticism to yourself. what have you ever done to help the game other than be an example of the worst kind of person involved in aces high?
:rofl :rofl :rofl
good one..
Its starting to look good! oh and thanks for the template!!
navajo24
UKNIGHTED JG26 - 357th FG
co@uknightedstates.net
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Originally posted by jetb123
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Listen, if you don't have anything constructive to say about his skin, then keep it to yourself. And, if you can't read, he is constantly chaning it and making it better.
I rather play the game then help.
Thats why I don't like to help you. You expect too much from others while rarely returning the favor.
Back on topic:
JB, its looking great! I have a few suggestions though. I'd make the rivets more visible. I know you worked your arse off to get those right and now you're not gonna show em off? :)
Also, have you tried http://www.skinnersheaven.com/ for color palletes? Most of the time they are fairly accurate. You can always go back and tweak them a little more if need be.
Found a site that may be of use to you if you haven't already seen it:
http://modelhangar.virtualave.net/schwarz12.htm
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Originally posted by United
Found a site that may be of use to you if you haven't already seen it:
http://modelhangar.virtualave.net/schwarz12.htm
great find!! <> TY
yeah, i used these:
http://www.skinnersheaven.com/
http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/colorcharts/colorcharts.asp
and my book to get the colors... the "grunblau" on the fuselage (RLM 84) there seems to be some serious discepencies in the actual color, so i decided to go with the book, it looks the best
i'm finding the burning in of the exhaust and stuff to be a real pain, it never seems to look right. i also am afraid to tackle the bellyof the plane's "natural metal". the models i have seen it is real dark, not shiny, and i have no clue where to begin with that. (that's why i havent posted pics of the bottom of the plane LOL)
here's a new update (i think there are some marked improvments):
(PS MAN picture hangar is slow tonight lol waiting 2 minutes to upload)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/180_1116814719_untitled.jpg)
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Originally posted by navajoboy
:rofl :rofl :rofl
good one..
Its starting to look good! oh and thanks for the template!!
navajo24
UKNIGHTED JG26 - 357th FG
co@uknightedstates.net
the template is MUCH improved... will upload at ah-skins when i am comfortable with it, i shouldn't have put out that other one, too many errors
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The wing and fuselage colors seem to be balanced out pretty well, but the cowl green is much too deep and unnatural as a camo scheme.
Also, take heed that the colors of the fuselage is distinctly different than the wings, which doesn't seem to be much noticeable in your case.
In almost every case, a model is a much better source for determining colors than a pure profile pic - the modellers themselves are researchers of color schemes, not to mention that they also provide some great insight on what kind of weathering is applied where.
IMO, the weathering you've applied for exahust fumes are much unnatural, and sort of stands out - as compared to the general quality of weathering on the rest of the plane... which is very clean, and seems unlikely for a D-9 scheme of such late war era. Notice how the model looks overall clean, but delicately "beat up", which gives out a nice aura of what kind of condition the aircraft is in. These are one of the subtle details you must pay attention to.
Judging by the Hakenkreuz on the wings, this is a '45 craft, and I'm quite curious what kind of Hakenkreuz you've used at the underside of the wing. Common mistakes are made at that part.
All in all, try to make it look EXACTLY like the model - it would offer good results and much higher quality of plane depiction.
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Originally posted by JB73
great find!! <> TY
yeah, i used these:
http://www.skinnersheaven.com/
http://www.ipmsstockholm.org/colorcharts/colorcharts.asp
and my book to get the colors... the "grunblau" on the fuselage (RLM 84) there seems to be some serious discepencies in the actual color, so i decided to go with the book, it looks the best
i'm finding the burning in of the exhaust and stuff to be a real pain, it never seems to look right. i also am afraid to tackle the bellyof the plane's "natural metal". the models i have seen it is real dark, not shiny, and i have no clue where to begin with that. (that's why i havent posted pics of the bottom of the plane LOL)
here's a new update (i think there are some marked improvments):
(PS MAN picture hangar is slow tonight lol waiting 2 minutes to upload)
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/180_1116814719_untitled.jpg)
That looks better but newb!!=me
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Lookin great 73! I'd fly it when you get it finished.
Jet... that was pretty lame man. Has nothing to do with helping or not, this is work he does in his free time to enhance everyone's gameplay... Maybe manners is something they haven't taught you in school yet. :confused:
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Kweassa, is this more along the right steps for exhaust?
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/180_1116826579_untitled.jpg)
i havent even started "weathering" any rest of the plane other than a simple dirt layer. i'm going to di the gus next, then engine / oil. after that looks then i'll work on panel line dirt, and paint chips
as far as the bottom they are the sold black + like the modelers did.
the cowl green is what the paint chips / books show, but remember there is no dirt / weathering there. it will get dirtier and dark later. that's last on my list LOL
UNITED... cc about them lol, they show up REAL strong on the under wings, im working on the right "balance"... like i mentioned in almost every pic i have at home, nothing is showing on the upper surfaces unless within 2 feet.
all ty for the comments and i'll keep chugging along
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Certainly lookin' a lot better KB73, but it still looks a bit like a paintbrush stain. Also, there are two things that leave a mark in the fuselage.
When a WW2 plane starts its engine, the exhaust fires up throwing up smoke in the air. This smoke itself is almost white, and does not leave a mark by itself.. but mixed with the smoke are very fine particles of oil, grime, and rest of the messy stuff which are a lot heavier than smoke. It's this sticky material that leaves behind the exhaust trails - and its effected by gravity.
The color itself is a mix of reddish brown and black - more prominent and defined with planes that doesn't get much regular maintenance. Planes with better regular maintenance will sometimes have only a very light shade of black as exhaust trails.
Notice how in the model, that the exhaust stains are dark black and brownish at the same time.. the shape is very naturally curved, following the lines of the upperwing, until it stretches back at the trailing edge.
(http://ah-skins.com/skins/screenshot312.jpg)
To use one of my own works as an example, in the case of these 190As, they have broader exhaust ports. The staining material will fume out from the exhausts will leave a broader trail of stains that also follows the fuselage and will curve down a little bit.
A little attention to these small stuff can really make the plane look a lot better.
ps) Also, a closer shot to the fuselage reveals that the letter fonts for "12" could use something more defined. Check through the fonts of your graphics program and see if you have something that looks better.
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Originally posted by jetb123
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still feeling the effects from being hit by the dumbtruck?
ack-ack
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cc Kweassa...
on the font... i dont have any font that looks remotely close, and i have over 300 fonts
i took the closest thing i found from a russian marking example on the ent.
i looked for over 2 hours yesterday for a font that looks close, to no avail. do you have something like that?
as for the exhaust, now that i got an idea of the way to make it, i am going to start over tonight with it. man i love layered pics lol
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Try using the blur tool more on the exhaust layer, works well for me.
One thing I have noticed is that the late war Jumo engines seemed to create exhaust stains unlike the BMW8xx ever did, they were much more pronounced that their counterpart (late war) DB6xx engines too. I can guess that by 4Q-1944 the Luftwaffe was using some rather dirty fuel, flying with whatever they had, but that theory cannot explain why the G10 or K4s did not have the huge exhaust stains that the D9/11/13s did. Perhaps the Jumo could not prevent blowback through the valves when it was inverted yet the DB could...who knows?
Anyhow, the edits are showing the exhaust is much improved IMO, but there needs to be more yet not as dark/black (more brown/grey). One thing it might be is that the side of the plane seems to be in shadow on thos screenshots, perhaps it is not as dark as it seems if the "sun" were shining on it. I think the opposite is true on the wings, the color is probably not as light as it looks in the reflection.