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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Hangtime on May 22, 2005, 09:42:51 PM
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Seems some of our Nordic pals have a real penchant for back stabbing..
Norway's Terrorist Funding programs (http://www.svik.org/terrorfinancing.htm)
They've also refused to extradite Muhammed Krekar.. head of Ansar Al-Islam; killers of American Servicemen. In fact, the Norwegians have dropped the charges!
Charges Dropped against Krekar (http://www.aftenposten.no/english/local/article809969.ece)
It would seem that the mamby-pamby Norwegians (besides offering safe haven for hundeds or war criminals outta Africa) take a diffrent view to Terrorist Organizations, leading to a new slant on Justice for Terrorists in Scandinavia: "If they ain't a threat to Norway, they can stay"
Norway as a Terrorist Safe Haven (http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=9910)
Damn, so nice to see our 'allies' helping out in the war on terror!
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But.......pssssssssst... the AMREEKANS are the enemy!
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Now Norway is? This is so confusing.
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I'm sorry, Nash. They have oil. We have no choice. Finding GScholz in his spider hole and taking pictures of him in his underwear for Newsweek publication is just a bonus.
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let me just add a bit of common sense here for all the haters on both sides:
NOBODY'S PERFECT!
That is all, carry on.
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I've just spent the entire afternoon reading up in the Norway Press on terrorist and civil issues in the country.. have come to some sad conclusions.
Norway is populated by a shockingly large number of puzzies; their crown princess is a reported to be a porn star, the local teens are even nuttier than ours are in Lauderdale on spring break, they kill whales, the place is a freakin murderin terrorist immigrants wet dream, the medicine is socialized and the standard of living is among the highest in europe yet the population has less 'disposable' income left after taxes than a Cuban.
Their political backbone is spelled 'appeasement', and they seem to have the work ethic of a baltimore potato. Further, getting convited of rape, murder and treason carries the same 21 year max sentance as grand theft... and nobody EVER does the max term in the slammer! How do you let a murder/rapist outta the slammer after 10 years for good behavior??!!
Pretty miserable piss-ant socialist situation over there.. I was envious of Nils; now I feel sorry for the guy.. the nation doesn't even have the cajones to put an end to expatriate murderers dropping by and picking up passports and citizenship papers!
Norwegian Immigration Offical: "Kill any Hutu's, Americans or Israeli's?"
Terrorist/Murderer/Immigrant: "You bet! Hunnerds of 'em.. thousands mebbe.. I'm here for ASYLUM.. if I go home they'll KILL me!!
Norwegian Immigration: "Here's your immigration card, passport and citizentship application, health card and drivers license. Enjoy your stay in Norway".
Sheesh. I'm sorry I did the homework. I hear Sweden is even worse.
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Hangtime, the last time Gshcolz went on a major American bashing campaign, I did the same thing. I started reading about Norway from their news sources.
Makes me wonder why he doesn't spend more time crying about issues in his own country instead of coming here with the American rants.
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Jesus Hang!
That's some good stuff, but kind of like throwing a Grenade on an ant.
I'm sure there are plenty of good rebuttals (what a fricken weird sounding word, like "organ") to all of that, along with good rebuttals of the rebuttals, resulting in a 10 page war where 3/4 of the people here end up workin' themselves into a frothy red-faced frenzy because all this time, and unbeknownst to them, it turns out that Norwegians are basically the devil. The problem is....
I think Nilsen is the only regular Norwegian here.
And he'd prolly agree with ya if only to get ya off his back so he could continue to enjoy whatever drink he happened to be holding at the time. While driving his boat. Into some Norwegian rocks.
Fact is, like Gunslinger said, nobody is perfect. But there are surely varying degrees of imperfection. For example, there may be one girl who's a horrible lay, but who doesn't have anything on another girl who accidently watermelon on your chest. Cough. Maybe that's a bit of a reach but you know what I mean.
Faults? Sure. But I think it's gonna take a heck of a lot for most folks to take the Norwegian threat as seriously as it should probably be taken. And by then? It just might be too late.
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I found the government mandated lobotomies and sterilizations and medical abuse & expermentation (ala mengele) on the german war orphans hugely disgusting.
The nation would seem to be the very soul of hypocricy.
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It's hard to say anything bad about Norway when we have a guy like Nilsen on the BBS.......like one of the nicest, most easy going people here.
Too bad Gscholtz is such a pain in the arse.
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Nash, I LIKE Nils! I Do, and know he's no more responsible for the sad state of affairs in his country than I am for the sorry state of affairs in mine.
Sadly; coming back here and running into Gshlitz's anti-american diatribes forced me into a bit of ammo foraging.. and I was really sorry discover that his house is even dirtier than ours.. mebbe Nils will go look up Gshlitz and chop his mangy butt up as whale bait so we can give him a medal.
Sorry Nils; toss an arab in the drink for us; will yah?
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Norway is pretty insignificant in the big picture. Why are we picking on Norway again?.......is that where gschmoltz is from?
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No Norvegans for oil!
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Yup. got tired of gschmucks annoying anti-US attacks; figured it wuz time ta put him in the position of defending the indefensible fer a change.
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Oh I didn't realize that Gscholz was also from Norway.
So I take it now that that's what this was about.
There a few things I might say about the relationship between Gscholz and the AHOC community.
I think that his criticisms here of American policy far outnumber any other contributions made by him to this board. In essence, his presence here can be construed as being only about the criticism of American policy.
Does that piss Americans off?
Well honestly, I'm really not so sure that it does. Give me some room. ;)
On a post per post basis, what could not be argued and settled within the thread that the posts reside? Is he consistently and knowingly stating factual errors? Is he misleading? Is he trying to bait and distort and inflame via bogus claims? Is that really what's happening?
Facts aside, does it come down to a reasonable difference of opinion, which the lot of us have every right to? Or are his opinions so outside the bounds of reality that it appears that his only participation in political threads is just to shreck it all up by any means necessary?
Now we all know what his political views are. Let me ask you this: Is he deliberately trying to mess up threads by injecting it with opinions he doesn't even hold, data that he doesn't even believe to be true?
Is he playing a role? Is he trolling?
I think that if you honestly believed that he were, then you wouldn't respond, let alone devote precious time in going after him.
The reality, it would seem to me, is that while he enjoys political debate and relishes the role of the antagonist or devil's advocate, he most certainly respects the integrity of honest debate, and he most certainly does not have a habit of being deceitful in what he says. Views or means of expression aside, unfortunately, I can't say that for everybody here.
Now, there have been calls for his being banned, and indeed he has been banned before. But what does that leave everyone here with? Nuke agrees with Steve agrees with Drediock agrees with Martlet agrees with Gunslinger?
Is that really what you want this BBS to look like?
No, some (many) need people like Gscholz. Because I really think that a certain group of people get a kick out of having to defend themselves against attacks - real or imagined.
If Gscholz wasn't here to defend against, then there would be more posts here about Micheal Moore, or Jane Fonda, or Janeane Garofalo, or scores of people who are basically harmless, but who to them pose some never-ending and very real (bogus) threat.
And but..... it's fun to argue. Because ultimately, it's healthy to bounce ideas not particularly in harmony with one's own off another's head.
How hurt you get from Gscholz's criticism is really only your business, and the reaction you have to it should, in a perfect world, be ably responded to directly. As the criticism occurs. As it happens. In a perfect world, you should not need to do anything besides that.
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Thumping on Gschmaltz is significantly more entertaining than cat punting.
Well, maybe i exaggerate a bit..
...marginally more entertaining.
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Ya see, Hang. That's where we differ.
I think that if you sat down and really had a heart to heart with your troublesome cat, and that if you two really opened up and shared with eachother, then all of the violence might have been avoided.
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Good read Nash.
I suspect that there is a little bit of myself in GS's posts, although I don't really go rant against other countries.
I think GS posts what interests him and what is on his mind. He may get pissed off at the US and what our soldiers do and can't help but post it.
Maybe he likes being able to poke at actual Americans on this BB.
If I could speak and type Chinese, I'd love to go screw with them on a Chinese BB.
As for myself, I may seem like a horses ass, but I can also be the nicest guy in the world in r/l. I am opinionated and rude here at times, but I do respect most people here and try not to personally attack anyone or their countries.
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Nope.
The cat thinks it's in charge. Unfortunately, I disagree. When we communicate our grievences with each other the outcome is not unsurprising.
Observe....
!!!!MEOWRRRR!!!!
*punt*
See??
It's hopeless. So's Gschmuck.
But, like you say; despite the absurdity of the premise under discussion, the exchange of (ahem) 'ideas' is entertaining.
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Just as Guns and others have said in this thread, nobody's perfect.
Hang, you are literally blinded with hatred and have 1 too many fingers raised in your avatard. If you feel so strongly about being righteous against terrorists, why don't you return your home to it's rightfull owners the Native Americans who were murdered by terrorists. Maybe you should pay reperations to the slaves that were captured and taken from their families by terrorists. C'mon Hang, do the right thing if you want to be high, mighty and righteous. Otherwise STFU, fool. You're embarrasing the rest of us.
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I'll give some Amerukaan a French passport and throw them back in 2003 with the obligation to read this forum.
How many will melt down ?
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Your real life personality aside, Nuke, on here you are deceitful.
You say things that you don't believe are true, in order to gauge/amuse yourself over the reaction.
I'm not going to argue with you about this. I hold this to be truth.
Gscholz, for whatever his failings, I never doubt the sincerity of his words. And I would bet that everyone here knows that as disagreeable as his words often are, they come from a sincerity and a belief in them.
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Good lord RPM; I've been an bellybutton my entire life... I could take umberage at the 'fool' bit; but hey, WTF, the shoe fits.
Nicely, I might add. :)
Edit: re; the 'hatred' bit.. there's a short lits of folks I 'hate', the guy that raped my kid, a few other folks of that caliber. Nobody on the short list hangs out here. Sometimes I do stir the dookie hard enuff that it splatters.. sorry if i got any on yah.
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Originally posted by Nash
Your real life personality aside, Nuke, on here you are deceitful.
You say things that you don't believe are true, in order to gauge/amuse yourself over the reaction.
I'm not going to argue with you about this. I hold this to be truth.
Gscholz, for whatever his failings, I never doubt the sincerity of his words. And I would bet that everyone here know that as unagreeable his words often are, they come from a sincerity and his belief in them.
Nash, I do not say things which I do not believe to be true. When I argue, I absolutely believe and stand behind my arguments and views.
Maybe you can't understand some of my views and dismiss them as trolls, but you'd be wrong.
Abortion, religeon, the reasons for the Iraq war....... you name it, the views I take are absolutely mine.
In fact , just you saying that actually pisses me off. You say you don't want to argue, but make a statement like that and hold it as truth without an example of what you mean?
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Originally posted by Nash
Your real life personality aside, Nuke, on here you are deceitful.
You say things that you don't believe are true, in order to gauge/amuse yourself over the reaction.
I'm not going to argue with you about this. I hold this to be truth.
Gscholz, for whatever his failings, I never doubt the sincerity of his words. And I would bet that everyone here knows that as disagreeable as his words often are, they come from a sincerity and belief in them.
Canadian -> English Translation:
"I think GScholz is sincire in his his views because I agrre with most of them. I think Nuke is insincere in his views because I disagree with most of them."
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Originally posted by straffo
I'll give some Amerukaan a French passport and throw them back in 2003 with the obligation to read this forum.
How many will melt down ?
You still waterin down the wine with anti-freeze?
;)
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Nash, even though you didn't ask, I'll tell you my views on your BB persona.
Pluses: You are obviously smart, funny and creative. I can usually get a chuckle out of most anything you post. You also more than are willing to concede a point.
negatives: You can be pretty mean and petty. You have no moral compass. You blow with the wind and second guess yourself to the point that I sometimes wonder if you even have any solid beliefs about anything. You don't take any hard stands on anything, because you seem too weak and unsure about anything to do so. You are rarely able to argue your own points and when pressed to do so, you resort to your creative humor to delfect your weak argument style and lack of knowledge.
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Nuke, thanks.
I enjoyed reading that. I appreciate your compliments and will endeavor to take your criticism to heart and effect change in those areas in as much as I am able to. Cheers.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
You still waterin down the wine with anti-freeze?
;)
well ask Naso or anyone living in the Italian "boot" :)
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From one of the articles linked to:
Norwegian authorities have opted against indicting controversial immigrant Mullah Krekar on charges he financed terrorism and was involved in political murders in northern Iraq. Dropping the case may help clear the way for Norway to deport Krekar back to Iraq....Norway's cabinet minister in charge of immigrant matters, Erna Solberg, has repeatedly said she wants to get Mullah Krekar out of Norway.
How are they backstabbing anyone here? They want the guy out of their country and preferably back in Iraq where presumably he can be dealt with. They however are not about to abandon the due process to which anyone in Norway is rightly entitled.
The SVIK.ORG website is missing any balancing context at all. The charges leveled at Norway by that site could almost certainly apply to any western country, the UK and USA included.
The Frontpagemag article is the usual neo-right smear-laden anti-european hatchet job masquerading as serious writing and again lacking in any real context. Over emotive-rubbish such as:
As long as Norwegians, British, Danes, Belgians, or Dutch do not get killed, they have a right to recruit murderers of Egyptians, Jordanians, Algerians—and Americans.
Why doesn't the author at least mention in passing the US attitude to the terrorist group Mujahedin-e Khalq (MEK). This is an organisation classified by the US as a terrorist group in 1997 but which was engaged in acts of terrorism from a much earlier date. MEK's presence in the north of Iraq was one of the "facts" cited by the pro-war lobby as evidence of Saddams involvement in terrorism. Could this lack of a contextual view of the issue be because the US recently granted financial aid to this group and hosted a meeting in Washington for a cadre of MEK leaders? This is a group with a past record of killing US personnel by the way.
The biggest supporter of the anti-western terror network such as it is, has been the USA's strategic partner Saudi Arabia. That is a fact. Take any and all articles such as the frontpagemag one above in that context.
With respect Hangtime, this is a complex subject on which it would probably not be wise to make rash generalisations at the risk of laying yourself open to charges of double standards.
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Hello.
I would just like you to check in on the first link you provided hangtime.
Svik.org
It is an extremist "group" that can be compared to your good old KKK when it comes credibility and agenda.
When it comes to harboring what you call terrorists, then yes. They come here seeking political asylum and they stay while they are beeing checked. If they are not in serious need of help they get deported on the first flight. If there is doubt, an investigation is launced and they can stay until the matter is settled.
We have a liberal goverment, and unless its proven that people have done something wrong we cant jail them or send them out.
Africa is a difficult case. People that come from there are very hard to check up on (rwanda etc). People that have gotten asylum from these countries are some times beeing acused of warcrimes from their former countries new goverments but with no proof.
Often these are false and done because of political agendas, but sometimes they are true. The real problem as I said earlyer is finding proof in either direction, and we cant just ship them out because we are unsure or to get rid of the problem.
Mulla Krekar has become a thorn in our side. Basicly he has not broken any laws here, but there are strong ndications that he has done so abroad (not any proof) _before_ he came here and not while he has been here. Personally I want him out and so does 99,9% of the population and the goverment. The remaining 00.1 % that want him here is his family and lawyer.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
I've just spent the entire afternoon reading up in the Norway Press on terrorist and civil issues in the country.. have come to some sad conclusions.
Norway is populated by a shockingly large number of puzzies; their crown princess is a reported to be a porn star, the local teens are even nuttier than ours are in Lauderdale on spring break, they kill whales, the place is a freakin murderin terrorist immigrants wet dream, the medicine is socialized and the standard of living is among the highest in europe yet the population has less 'disposable' income left after taxes than a Cuban.
Their political backbone is spelled 'appeasement', and they seem to have the work ethic of a baltimore potato. Further, getting convited of rape, murder and treason carries the same 21 year max sentance as grand theft... and nobody EVER does the max term in the slammer! How do you let a murder/rapist outta the slammer after 10 years for good behavior??!!
Pretty miserable piss-ant socialist situation over there.. I was envious of Nils; now I feel sorry for the guy.. the nation doesn't even have the cajones to put an end to expatriate murderers dropping by and picking up passports and citizenship papers!
Norwegian Immigration Offical: "Kill any Hutu's, Americans or Israeli's?"
Terrorist/Murderer/Immigrant: "You bet! Hunnerds of 'em.. thousands mebbe.. I'm here for ASYLUM.. if I go home they'll KILL me!!
Norwegian Immigration: "Here's your immigration card, passport and citizentship application, health card and drivers license. Enjoy your stay in Norway".
Sheesh. I'm sorry I did the homework. I hear Sweden is even worse.
Thanks for that, it was some intresting reading. But I feel sorry for you beliving that crap.
Pretty sad actually, but hate us all you can if it help you trough your life.
I dont even bother to comment youre stupid conclusions since its way out of reality.
PS ! next time you read a nazi propaganda website please check it firs :D
When it comes to mullah krekar I would like to see him thrown outta our country as soon as possible and dropped without a parachute down to Irak. belive me 90 % of the norwegians want that but the law is not to be changed in a hurry here either as in your country. It is a pain for sure.
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Anyone, anywhere, can find something negative about any place on this planet and exploit it for thier own agenda.
Every country has its negatives, which is what gets explioted more than any positives will as that is what people want to read about. It makes many people feel better about themselves to see others misery.
'Country bashing' is never useful and is always antagonistic. It is about many other things not related to discussion. It is time for it to come to an end as it amounts to nothing more than pot stirring.
No one on this bulletin board (none I am aware of) can have any direct impact in the way thier country is run.
The media will never give an accurate portrayal of *everything* that goes on in the running of any given country, which only fuels the lopsided, angst-filled topics related to countries being waylayed on this board. The media will always portray everything in a lopsided manner. It is in *thier* interest to do so.
And if they do not have enough lopsided information for you, you can find *hate* groups everywhere which will be more than happy to supplement your position with more information.
Let's move along folks and get over it.