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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: Rino on May 23, 2005, 05:15:01 PM
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Hey guys,
I just received my Franklin Mint 1/48th diecast Bf-109G
"Red 1" flown by Hermann Graf. The box really didn't offer much
detail and I am curious as to the model Gustav this is.
Going to try to post a link, but I'm really stupid at this.
Thanks in advance for any help you may extend.
Phan
Graf's Red 1 (http://www.aikensairplanes.com/franklinmint48/armour98330.htm)
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(http://www.graf-grislawski.elknet.pl/Photos/gog.gif)
Graf & Grislawski: A pair of Aces by Christer Bergström (http://www.graf-grislawski.elknet.pl/)
The book above will have all the info you need but IIRC that is a 109G-6 of Graf's. He was attached to JG 50 at the time. This geschwader was tasked with high altitude mosquito interception. If this is the same aircraft then the 'Rot 1' ought to be 'Grün 1'.
Claus Sundin did the profiles for Christer's book and there's is a link to one on the page a linked.
Christer posts over on TOCH (http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/index.php)
(actually he used to until the board switched over. Issues with several posters may mean he doesn't post there any more. If not you can email him.)
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Thanks Wotan,
In fact I did see the exact same paint job on one of Graf's
birds except, as you have mentioned, it was Green 1.
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The profile from Sundin and Bergstrom's book.
Says it's a 109G6
Dan/CorkyJr
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/169_1116894482_109g6.jpg)
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Guppy what are the little bulges in front of the canopy? (Sorry to hijack the thread) ;)
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Bulges for the heavier MGs in the G, I'm pretty sure ;)
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Those are the mg ammo bulges...
Here's a decal shhet for Graf's G-6 (top one)
(http://www.eagle-editions.com/EC37.jpg)
I think the model Rino has is mostly likely Graf's G-5 with the Werfergranate 21's. t was Rot 1...
(http://www.graf-grislawski.elknet.pl/Photos/Bf109G5-6.jpg)
(http://www.graf-grislawski.elknet.pl/Photos/Bf109G5-3.jpg)
I htink the profil guppy posted must be the G-5 as well...
Here's Sundin version of Graf's G-6:
(http://hem2.passagen.se/galland/GrafGG.gif)
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Not sure what to think. The profile I posted is from "Luftwaffe Fighter Aircraft in Profile" by Sundin and Bergstrom
They ID it as his 109G6 from September 43.
Right below that profile is a profile of his 190A5 also from September 43.
Heck if I know though if its a G5 or G6. Now if it was a Spit or a 38 I could tell ya :)
Dan/CorkyJr
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It's quite probably a G-6. Profile in the Sundin's and Bergström's book does not contain the aileron tabs which the plane had according to the pictures.
gripen
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Why would it be carrying under wing rockets if they were taked with high alt mossie interception?
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Originally posted by Guppy35
Not sure what to think. The profile I posted is from "Luftwaffe Fighter Aircraft in Profile" by Sundin and Bergstrom
They ID it as his 109G6 from September 43.
Right below that profile is a profile of his 190A5 also from September 43.
Heck if I know though if its a G5 or G6. Now if it was a Spit or a 38 I could tell ya :)
Dan/CorkyJr
Most likely a G-6 on your profile, the G-5 featured different style of head armor (not curved but flat one, attached directly to the rear cocpit part. It was needed to be sealed off because of pressurization).
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Originally posted by Wotan
Those are the mg ammo bulges...
The bulges cover the ammo feed chutes.
(actually he used to until the board switched over. Issues with several posters may mean he doesn't post there any more. If not you can email him.)
I would not be surprised if he was not asked to leave just as he was on the jadgmoroner board.
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Originally posted by Seeker
Why would it be carrying under wing rockets if they were taked with high alt mossie interception?
Those rockets were primarily designed for air-to-air work. Used a timed fuse so the pilot, with a little (ok, a lot) of guesstimation could air-burst them in a formation.
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They ID it as his 109G6 from September 43.
I don't know either. The model itself as Gripen and Kurfürst points out appears to be a G-6 but the paint scheme and the fact it has the Werfergranate 21's suggests it's Graf's G-5.
The site linked by the original posters lists it just as a '109G'.
Why would it be carrying under wing rockets if they were taked with high alt mossie interception?
They were testing them IRCC...
I would not be surprised if he was not asked to leave just as he was on the jadgmoroner board.
He left because that forum is turning into another 'kiddie pool' like this one. In fact the only thread I recall reading of yours over there was locked...
KraziKutschaMorai at his finest (http://forum.12oclockhigh.net/showthread.php?p=5826#post5826)
Butch been had to warn you on his forums as well.
From how many forums were you asked to leave.. err I mean banned from?
Since you showed up here regularly this forum has gone down hill. Many of the better informed and valued posters no longer bother posting here.
We all could have guessed that as soon as Kurfürst made a post you would instantly pop out from under your rock.
Right on cue...
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LOL Wotan.:rolleyes:
I corrected you, not Kurfy. Kurfy's post was right on.:)
ChB totally embarrased himself with his continued whinning like a pre-pube little child. The web masters got fed up with his 'kiddy' antics.
You do have your reading problems.:) I have never had a thread of mine locked on the TOCH board. :) In fact the only thread I have started there resulted in a complaint to the webmaster due to harrasment, via PM, by your hero, ChB.
This is a PM I received from the web master, "However, be assured that I will deal with Christer."
Banned, just from the UBI zoo, just like the many others who had to put up with the crap spewed by the Uber Twins.:)
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I corrected you, not Kurfy. Kurfy's post was right on.
You didn't correct me. You simply added superfluous information. The answer 'ammo bulges' is a simple answer that a lay person can easily understand.
You only posted that correction in this thread after Kurfürst made a reply which is when we can all count on you showing up. It isn't what you type, if Kurfürst posts in a thread you follow on cue.
I linked the thread. You posted a personal attack which had nothing to do with the topic. A few posts later it was locked.
Folks can follow the link themselves.
Christer isn't the only author that no longer posts on TOCH. There are several.
Same with this forum...
However, be assured that I will deal with Christer.
What's with the 'however'? I guess he was checking your own 'pre-pube little child postings' like:
I only see some hugely over inflated ego of their own self importance with a rather large insecurity paranoria thrown in for good measure, who does much whinning like a spoilt child.
I don't think someone has to worry about desperate people ruining their reputation for they are doing such a good job of it all by themself. Did such a good job of it on another board he had his name replaced with 'user deleted by request'.
Folks can also search your replies here on this forum (or on any of the forums you post on) and find a complete history or your 'pre-pube little child postings'.
No one makes you act like a child, learn some self control. It wasn't the Uber Twins that got you banned it was your own 'pre-pube little child postings'. Same reason you got 'warned' on TOCH and on AAW2 by butch.
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Well pardon me, for I would have posted the more descriptive and correct reply for the lay person to understand more fully if I had come here before Kurfy posted. :rolleyes:
You get more hilarious all the time Woton. As can be seen in his post in which he made a personal attack on other people to which I made the comment to. Yes folks should do a search on the TOCH board and see what a whinning insecure person he is. The shoe fits, for sure.:)
And many authours still do. They are the ones without the overly inflated egos.
I got warned? More of your vivid imagination running rampart. I have been told that what I wrote is a good description of your hero.
No he was not, he was speaking about ChB's childish insecure paranora behaviour in that thread, as well as in many other threads.
Better ask the Mods over at UBI why the Uber Twins never got banned. One especially was fond of using parts of the body in his posts. But then you are too blind to see/have seen that, as well as what your good buddy says in other threads, since you luv me so much. True luv is so blinding. One can only turn the other cheek so many times.
Your good buddy has gotten the boot from many, many more boards than my single one. Why don't you ask your good buddy why he makes so many personal attacks on Mike Williams and Richard Worth? Waiting for you to come down on him for those. I am not holding my breath, though.
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You two better save your energy, if Jodhi still has em, I'm
going to order a Spitfire next ;)
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I know that this 109 is a G model, but didn't he also fly the navalized version of the 109 as well with the same markings?
From what I remember, it had better short field take-off capabilities secondary to its carrier based design.
If someone has access to a historical photo (in action even better) of it I'd appreciate a post of it. Curious, really...
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Originally posted by MiloMorai
Well pardon me, for I would have posted the more descriptive and correct reply for the lay person to understand more fully if I had come here before Kurfy posted. :rolleyes:
I don't care what your reply was to the question about the bulges. You made an issue of it by claiming 'to correct me'. You brought it up and I clarified my response. I could careless how you feel about it.
Check any thread on this forum, Kurfürst makes a post here come KraziMilo humping his leg...
You get more hilarious all the time Woton. As can be seen in his post in which he made a personal attack on other people to which I made the comment to. Yes folks should do a search on the TOCH board and see what a whinning insecure person he is. The shoe fits, for sure.:)
And many authours still do. They are the ones without the overly inflated egos.
The thread is linked so any one can read it. While there maybe elements to what you say most of the posts in that thread were on topic. Yours wasn't it was just an attack. Almost everything I read of yours is an 'attack' on some one.
I got warned? More of your vivid imagination running rampart. I have been told that what I wrote is a good description of your hero.
No he was not, he was speaking about ChB's childish insecure paranora behaviour in that thread, as well as in many other threads.[/b]
Who is my hero?
I don't own a single one of Christer's books, I don't know or care to know him. But that isn't the point. The link is there so everyone can see you in all of your brilliance.
You quoted:
However, be assured that I will deal with Christer.
What's with the 'However'?
Better ask the Mods over at UBI why the Uber Twins never got banned. One especially was fond of using parts of the body in his posts. But then you are too blind to see/have seen that, as well as what your good buddy says in other threads, since you luv me so much. True luv is so blinding. One can only turn the other cheek so many times.
Your good buddy has gotten the boot from many, many more boards than my single one. Why don't you ask your good buddy why he makes so many personal attacks on Mike Williams and Richard Worth? Waiting for you to come down on him for those. I am not holding my breath, though.
I don't care anything about the UBI forums, I don't read them or post there.
Who is my good buddy? Kurfürst?
I don't know the guy at all. Why should should I care whether he can post on UBI and you can't?
Regardless of whatever he and his twin do the reason you got banned is for your own behavior. Any one can see that behavior for themselves by searching your posts here or on any of the other forums.
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Damn, can we be a LITTLE cordial on the BBS?
Take your argument somewhere else!
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No...
And that isn't a 109T either...:p
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Guess you can't read either...
Originally posted by CPorky
I know that this 109 is a G model,
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I can read and it's clear you edited your post:
Last edited by CPorky on 05-24-2005 at 05:28 PM
After 2 other post were made.
You changed the wording and I didn't go back and re-read it.
Keep trying crap like that and you will only get laughed at and mocked...
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Originally posted by Wotan
I can read and it's clear you edited your post:
After 2 other post were made.
You changed the wording and I didn't go back and re-read it.
Keep trying crap like that and you will only get laughed at and mocked...
A condition you are already quite familiar with:lol
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Don't you have something better to whine about? One more of your 'gvs aren't right' whines perhaps?
Or did you get bored with your other thread about sending it back to beta?
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Thanks guys, I didn't think those rounds were that much bigger, or were the covers on the older 109s just flush to the body?
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Yea, I made a typo when I typed 'navalized'.
Why do I waste my time with childish stuff?
Originally posted by Wotan
I can read and it's clear you edited your post:
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Originally posted by Wotan
I don't care what your reply was to the question about the bulges. You made an issue of it by claiming 'to correct me'. You brought it up and I clarified my response. I could careless how you feel about it.
If so then why do you keep harping on it?
Check any thread on this forum, Kurfürst makes a post here come KraziMilo humping his leg...
Like you are humping my leg? :) Not just me wotan but then you are blind.
The thread is linked so any one can read it. While there maybe elements to what you say most of the posts in that thread were on topic. Yours wasn't it was just an attack. Almost everything I read of yours is an 'attack' on some one.
Selective reading you have.
Who is my hero?
I don't own a single one of Christer's books, I don't know or care to know him. But that isn't the point. The link is there so everyone can see you in all of your brilliance.
Yup and if a search is done they will see what kind of person your hero is.
What's with the 'However'?
The webmaster lost his cool with ChBs behavior in a thread. I asked him to do something about his continual whinning before he destroyed another thread.
I don't care anything about the UBI forums, I don't read them or post there.
Who is my good buddy? Kurfürst?
I don't know the guy at all. Why should should I care whether he can post on UBI and you can't?
Must be since you don't say anything about his conduct.
Regardless of whatever he and his twin do the reason you got banned is for your own behavior. Any one can see that behavior for themselves by searching your posts here or on any of the other forums.
Fair enough but the behavior of the UTs was worse and nothing was done.
So Wotan spread your 'luv' around to others that are just as deserving.
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zorstorer
so the shells would feed properly the arc of the chute had to be increased. This put them outside the earlier fuselage skinning.
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MiloMorai
Thanks much for the info :)
I can remember what a pain the feed chutes were in the Bradley. On mine we had to use a screwdriver to get them into position.
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Wotan,
Don`t waste your time. The Milo guy was so bored at a time at ubi, that he created a second nick and used it to reply to his own posts... :D 'You are so right etc.'. :rofl
So why bother? Cancer is cured by cutting it out, not by convincing it. It worked on ubi, it can work just as well here.
Let the mods deal with him. I think this is an issue the whole board would agree on. We need a petition or something.
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Originally posted by Wotan
Don't you have something better to whine about? One more of your 'gvs aren't right' whines perhaps?
Or did you get bored with your other thread about sending it back to beta?
Hmm ...
Can't recall saying 'gvs aren't right' I've said that as a whole I think the GV aspect is "porked" when you compare it to the "flight sim" aspects of the game. As for the other thread its obvious that a significant % of the player base is suffering with this issue to at least some degree. I feel that it should be a priority to both optimize the code and educate the player base. I thought a number of great points and ideas were brought up.
Unlike you and your group of "intellectual elitists" I actually pay attention to the other side's point of view and will recognize a point that has merit. you simply attempt to insult and ridicule the" other guy". I have never seer you counter an opposing viewpoint that has obvious merit or even acknowledge it. You simply ignore it till you can find a typo to fixate on. . .