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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Fishu on May 24, 2005, 02:18:46 PM
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I'm curious to hear your take on the violation of the finnish airspace by russian military aircrafts
PM Vanhanen sees airspace violations as bilateral issue between Finland and Russia (http://www.helsinginsanomat.fi/english/article/1101979630776)
On Saturday, the European Commission gave its support to Finland's demand that Russia must immediately stop violating Finnish airspace.
Last week it was revealed that Russian jets flying over the Gulf of Finland had strayed into Finnish airspace 20 times in the past year.
Finland sent a diplomatic note over the repeated encroachments to Russia about four weeks ago. There has been no response
The violations of Finnish airspace have taken place along the south coast of Finland between Porvoo and Hanko. The aircraft in question were identified as Russian Air Force Tu-134 transport jets and Antonov battle command planes similar to the US AWACS radar planes. The planes were flying a route between St. Petersburg at the eastern end of the Gulf of Finland and the Russian Baltic enclave of Kaliningrad, when they deviated from the international air corridor over the Gulf of Finland.
The government is not calling the incursions a deliberate provocation. However, it has urged Russia to provide an explanation of what happened.
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maybe GLONASS blew a fuze?
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probably a test of finn prepardness and reslove.
since the Rooskies only understand strength and the finn's didn't soot 'em down, the rooskies will percieve the finns as weak.
look for an invasion next month.
:D
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Originally posted by Hangtime
probably a test of finn prepardness and reslove.
since the Rooskies only understand strength and the finn's didn't soot 'em down, the rooskies will percieve the finns as weak.
look for an invasion next month.
:D
Ha-ha-ha so funny!!!This post should be removed btw.
If i say crap about USA Skuzy very fast with removing it.
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Location: CIA HQ
You with CNN in Atlanta? (checks outside for black suburban)
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Originally posted by Nilsen
maybe GLONASS blew a fuze?
Is that whatevercountryyou'refrom for GLASNOST?
Oh, wait, you were making a joke. sorry, I'm slow on the uptake most times.
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Originally posted by ATA
If i say crap about USA Skuzy very fast with removing it.
and that's as it ought to be:D
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Originally posted by Hangtime
probably a test of finn prepardness and reslove.
since the Rooskies only understand strength and the finn's didn't soot 'em down, the rooskies will percieve the finns as weak.
look for an invasion next month.
:D
Considering how bad the Finn's kicked their tulips in 105 days the last time they invaded, I think Ivan would be leary of trying again.
ack-ack
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In soviet Russia the airspace violates you!
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Originally posted by slimm50
Is that whatevercountryyou'refrom for GLASNOST?
Oh, wait, you were making a joke. sorry, I'm slow on the uptake most times.
Actually GLONASS is the russian version of GPS
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Actually GLONASS is the russian version of GPS
ROFL.. damn; all those years fishing paid off. :)
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Hehe fishing. :D
i bet the cia sent the plans to the kgb on how to build a gps type system
"here you are mr. kgb, just add this line of code to the software but dont worry to much about what it does"
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Considering how bad the Finn's kicked their tulips in 105 days the last time they invaded, I think Ivan would be leary of trying again.
ack-ack
I'm wondering if the Finns are having any trouble finding spares for their Brewster Buffalo's these days.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
I'm wondering if the Finns are having any trouble finding spares for their Brewster Buffalo's these days.
They have upgraded to F-18's since then.
So it wont be long before they want those in AH :D
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Really? F-18's? Damn, .. last time I checked they were flyin Mig21's and those kewl lil BAE Hawks.
Wonder why they went with a turkey like the Hornet.. the MiG29's are soooooooo sweet!
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Originally posted by Fishu
I'm curious to hear your take on the violation of the finnish airspace by russian military aircrafts
PM Vanhanen sees airspace violations as bilateral issue between Finland and Russia (http://www.helsinginsanomat.fi/english/article/1101979630776)
C'mon, guys.
That was not "20 violations", it was one time penetration by 20 Russian pilots.
:aok
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They just wanted to copy the Swiss navy.
Fishu, do you have any idea what DG in the EC made this statement? I'd be interested to know.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Really? F-18's? Damn, .. last time I checked they were flyin Mig21's and those kewl lil BAE Hawks.
Wonder why they went with a turkey like the Hornet.. the MiG29's are soooooooo sweet!
And you guys wonder why whole world hates USA?Couse You hate the whole world!You have no respect for the whole world.
I've spent 7 years in USA,i'm an American.But everyone of you keeps telling me that one not an American unless one was born here.What kind of a BS is that?How mane times have i heard "f*** emigrants".People like us created this country,people like you will destroy it.
Land of free!!!!Not anymore it isnt.
Anyway you can say crap about Russia all you want,it's the best you can do.This isn't Iraq,you have no balls nor power to invade us.
Oh Lord,i foresee a lot of replys,right Skuzzy?
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Nah, we don't hate the whole world.
We pretty much just ignore folks like you and that's probably what makes you all upset and makes you hurl BS like that around.
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Originally posted by ATA
And you guys wonder why whole world hates USA?Couse You hate the whole world!You have no respect for the whole world.
I've spent 7 years in USA,i'm an American.But everyone of you keeps telling me that one not an American unless one was born here.What kind of a BS is that?How mane times have i heard "f*** emigrants".People like us created this country,people like you will destroy it.
Land of free!!!!Not anymore it isnt.
Anyway you can say crap about Russia all you want,it's the best you can do.This isn't Iraq,you have no balls nor power to invade us.
Oh Lord,i foresee a lot of replys,right Skuzzy?
LOL. Yer 14, got zits, born in chicago & yer spending waaaay to much time in the bathroom. Yah like to play with your socks in the dark and make believe yer a roooski.
Alot.
Cheer up son. Yer normal fer this crowd.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Actually GLONASS is the russian version of GPS
A guy in a Soyuz capsule with a radio and some huge binoculars?
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:D
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Originally posted by Hangtime
LOL. Yer 14, got zits, born in chicago & yer spending waaaay to much time in the bathroom. Yah like to play with your socks in the dark and make believe yer a roooski.
Alot.
Cheer up son. Yer normal fer this crowd.
To play with socks and screw aple pie is duty of American teens.
It's all they good for.
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Originally posted by Toad
Nah, we don't hate the whole world.
We pretty much just ignore folks like you and that's probably what makes you all upset and makes you hurl BS like that around.
Ah,the famos Toad.Speak for yourself.What keeps America together is people unlike you.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
A guy in a Soyuz capsule with a radio and some huge binoculars?
And the EMP button
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Someone sh*t in your Cornflakski?
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Originally posted by Saintaw
Someone sh*t in your Cornflakski?
What's a Cornflakski?
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It was my 8 am-pre-coffee trial of a joke... but nevermind :D
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Originally posted by Saintaw
It was my 8 am-pre-coffee trial of a joke... but nevermind :D
Lol,what i meant to say to everyone
"It is but an irrelevant waste of time to argue with anyone who thinks he is better then people of any race, country, religious belief, sex, origin, or any other idea."
American is not a nationality,it's a mind set if you will.And you just live here.
I'm done with this thread.
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I think we should shoot down all Russian aircrafts entering our airspace without a permit; I heard that they might be crewed by Chechenyan terrorists and Ruskies would most likely be glad if few of those would die :)
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was actually pretty good saw :D
cornflakski!
layoff ATA folks.... he is good people
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Originally posted by Nilsen
They have upgraded to F-18's since then.
So it wont be long before they want those in AH :D
Oh, a great idea! I want one... ;)
(http://kotisivu.dnainternet.net/rvaskuu/adex05_001.jpg)
(http://kotisivu.dnainternet.net/rvaskuu/adex05_003.jpg)
(edit: added second image)
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you do panzzer... its called lala.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
maybe GLONASS blew a fuze?
Glonass needs prettymuch a lot of uppgrading they cant handle this: (ordinary problems ususaly makes some glonass sattelites unusable, the US system hardly beeing affected by it tough)
R20050524
SPACE WEATHER NOTICE
24 MAY 2005, 19:51 UT
## SUMMARY 16 - 22 MAY 2005 (JD 136-142/2005):-
* Geomagnetic storm activity:-
Category G1 (minor) on 16 MAY 2005 (JD 136/2005).
Category G2 (moderate) on 16 MAY 2005 (JD 136/2005).
Category G2 (moderate) on 20 MAY 2005 (JD 140/2005).
* Solar radiation storm activity:-
None.
* Radio blackout activity:-
Category R1 (minor) on 16-17 MAY 2005 (JD 136-7/2005).
## OUTLOOK FOR 25 - 31 MAY 2005 (JD 145-151/2005):-
# GEOMAGNETIC STORM ACTIVITY
* Category G1 (minor) possible 28 MAY 2005 (JD 148/2005).
# SOLAR RADIATION STORM ACTIVITY
* None.
# RADIO BLACKOUT ACTIVITY
* None.
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Originally posted by airguard
Glonass needs prettymuch a lot of uppgrading they cant handle this: (ordinary problems but ususaly makes some glonass sattelites unusable, the US system hardly beeing affected by it tough)
R20050524
SPACE WEATHER NOTICE
24 MAY 2005, 19:51 UT
## SUMMARY 16 - 22 MAY 2005 (JD 136-142/2005):-
* Geomagnetic storm activity:-
Category G1 (minor) on 16 MAY 2005 (JD 136/2005).
Category G2 (moderate) on 16 MAY 2005 (JD 136/2005).
Category G2 (moderate) on 20 MAY 2005 (JD 140/2005).
* Solar radiation storm activity:-
None.
* Radio blackout activity:-
Category R1 (minor) on 16-17 MAY 2005 (JD 136-7/2005).
## OUTLOOK FOR 25 - 31 MAY 2005 (JD 145-151/2005):-
# GEOMAGNETIC STORM ACTIVITY
* Category G1 (minor) possible 28 MAY 2005 (JD 148/2005).
# SOLAR RADIATION STORM ACTIVITY
* None.
# RADIO BLACKOUT ACTIVITY
* None.
its all in that line of code that mr. cia gave to mr. kgb
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Really? F-18's? Damn, .. last time I checked they were flyin Mig21's and those kewl lil BAE Hawks.
Wonder why they went with a turkey like the Hornet.. the MiG29's are soooooooo sweet!
F/A-18C, Mig-29, Mirage 2000-5, F16C and Saab Gripen were evaluated and F/A-18 was found superior.
Sure the MiG-29 is fast and furious, but it lacks in BVR capability and in other avionics. Maintenance is a nightmare too. The model we got has the AN/APG-73 radar(used in F/A-18E) and uprated engines which made it superior to it's competitors.
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I belive that the twin engine design was also a major factor.
Twin engines is one of the major reasons for me wanting the eurofighter over the jsf too.
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Yes it was. But if we would have gotten as good deal for the F-16 we would have probably gone with that.
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"And you guys wonder why whole world hates USA?Couse You hate the whole world!You have no respect for the whole world. "
hmm.. toad only claims to speak for most of the folks on this BB while you ata... you claim to speak for the entire "rest of the world" little grandiose eh?
and nielsen... is saying that ata is "good people" more of your "special humor"?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
"And you guys wonder why whole world hates USA?Couse You hate the whole world!You have no respect for the whole world. "
hmm.. toad only claims to speak for most of the folks on this BB while you ata... you claim to speak for the entire "rest of the world" little grandiose eh?
and nielsen... is saying that ata is "good people" more of your "special humor"?
lazs
hehe as a californian you should know the word "the"
I would prolly prhase it like this: "And you guys wonder why the whole world is pointing a gun at the icebears :D"
= the icebears need guns to protect themselve. hehe
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Originally posted by ATA
What keeps America together is people unlike you.
Unlike me?
The ones that aren't the grandson of an Italian immigrants, the great-grandson of Irish immigrants, the son of a career USAF officer, a USAF veteran, an ex-youth baseball coach, a community volunteer for worthy causes?
I'm thinking you don't really know much about America or American's at all.
For example, you know the greatest thing about America? The door swings both ways.
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Anyway, the story I heard is that Finnish airspace deliberately planned and executed an attack on the Soviet aircraft. They were only defending themselves.
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Jeebuz ATA! You're over your limit! Throw a few back and leave some for us! (Pass that stinky stuff over here, my lures getting sorta dry...)
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Originally posted by Nilsen
Actually GLONASS is the russian version of GPS
Heh, thanks. Now I get it. Finally...D'OH!:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by ATA
And you guys wonder why whole world hates USA?Couse You hate the whole world!You have no respect for the whole world.
I've spent 7 years in USA,i'm an American.But everyone of you keeps telling me that one not an American unless one was born here.What kind of a BS is that?How mane times have i heard "f*** emigrants".People like us created this country,people like you will destroy it.
Land of free!!!!Not anymore it isnt.
Anyway you can say crap about Russia all you want,it's the best you can do.This isn't Iraq,you have no balls nor power to invade us.
Oh Lord,i foresee a lot of replys,right Skuzzy?
Not American unless born there? Not sure who has ever said that on this BBS. In fact I have read quite the opposite.
The backlash you have read about here does not relate to immigrants as such...but to ILLEGAL immigrants. From what I have seen, if you want to enter the US legally, work hard and beome "an American" you are welcome with open arms.
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exactly curval... but the guy sees what he wants to see... probly a personal problem.
airguard... I use "the" fairly well.. I was only quoting the semi english speaker.
lazs
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Originally posted by Toad
Anyway, the story I heard is that Finnish airspace deliberately planned and executed an attack on the Soviet aircraft. They were only defending themselves.
Yes, that's probably how it must have happened. :)
11 violations of Finnish airspace have been reported since last October. The incidents involved flights between St. Petersburg and Kaliningrad, in which the Russian aircraft deviated from the (narrow) corridor of international airspace over the Gulf of Finland. Mostly the planes have been TU-134's and AN-26's, but also a Beriev A-50 Mainstay has been mentioned in the news. (An update, from today's news)
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Originally posted by Curval
Not American unless born there? Not sure who has ever said that on this BBS. In fact I have read quite the opposite.
The backlash you have read about here does not relate to immigrants as such...but to ILLEGAL immigrants. From what I have seen, if you want to enter the US legally, work hard and beome "an American" you are welcome with open arms.
Exactly :)
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Originally posted by ATA
And you guys wonder why whole world hates USA?Couse You hate the whole world!You have no respect for the whole world.
I've spent 7 years in USA,i'm an American.But everyone of you keeps telling me that one not an American unless one was born here.What kind of a BS is that?How mane times have i heard "f*** emigrants".People like us created this country,people like you will destroy it.
Land of free!!!!Not anymore it isnt.
Anyway you can say crap about Russia all you want,it's the best you can do.This isn't Iraq,you have no balls nor power to invade us.
Oh Lord,i foresee a lot of replys,right Skuzzy?
We don't want to invade Russia. Heck, we might have to get a
tetanus shot after being cut by one of those old rustbuckets
that used to be your navy ;)
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Really? F-18's? Damn, .. last time I checked they were flyin Mig21's and those kewl lil BAE Hawks.
Wonder why they went with a turkey like the Hornet.. the MiG29's are soooooooo sweet!
Finns have ever bought only two planes from USA. Brester and F18. Both are marine carrier-capable planes.
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Originally posted by Zakhal
Finns have ever bought only two planes from USA. Brester and F18. Both are marine carrier-capable planes.
I hope (sincerly!) that the Hornets serve Finland as well as the Brewsters did!
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I love such threads! :D
Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Considering how bad the Finn's kicked their tulips in 105 days the last time they invaded, I think Ivan would be leary of trying again.
ack-ack
Last time I checked - there's nothing wrong with my ass.
I spent my childhood summers in Ino, where the Russian fort was until 1918, near Zelenogorsk (Terijoki). I think it explains who kicked who's ass.
Invading Finland is an interesting idea. Can you please explain to an asian barbarian on a shaggy mount - what for? I thought we have enough tundra... And enough oil in our own tundra. Is there any oil in Finland? If there is - I think they should be afraid of some other country, not Russia :D
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Originally posted by Thrawn
In soviet Russia the airspace violates you!
I am curious if it is supposed to be a joke...
Can you explain me the origin of this "Soviet Russia" stuff?... You know, cultural differences and all things...
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There's a rumor that Fishu has a case of motor oil stashed in his closet. The invasion is scheduled for Monday.
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Originally posted by Toad
There's a rumor that Fishu has a case of motor oil stashed in his closet. The invasion is scheduled for Monday.
NO! NEVER! Vodka cost there too much.
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Originally posted by Staga
I think we should shoot down all Russian aircrafts entering our airspace without a permit; I heard that they might be crewed by Chechenyan terrorists and Ruskies would most likely be glad if few of those would die :)
You have all the rights to shoot down any unwanted planes in your airspace. I don't think it's a EU issue to protect your country.
IMHO it's a better idea for our military to make photo-recon of NATO airbases in "Baltic states". Maybe with some rusty An-24 falling down on NATO long-range radar station :D
The idea of building an air-defence SAM test-ground near Latvian border and lending it to Ukrainians is in the air now :D
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Originally posted by mora
F/A-18C, Mig-29, Mirage 2000-5, F16C and Saab Gripen were evaluated and F/A-18 was found superior.
Sure the MiG-29 is fast and furious, but it lacks in BVR capability and in other avionics. Maintenance is a nightmare too. The model we got has the AN/APG-73 radar(used in F/A-18E) and uprated engines which made it superior to it's competitors.
Hmm, maintenance? I have heard that FAF technicians still remember MiG-21s with nostalgy, because F-18s are a nightmare in service.
Sure, the export MiG-29s have different avionics. AFAIK most of the VVS 29s are already upgraded to SMT version, that leaves only an airframe making it a completely different aircraft.
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Originally posted by Boroda
I love such threads! :D
Me too! But I think we should continue in the "mega thread" if we want to go into that.
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Originally posted by Toad
Anyway, the story I heard is that Finnish airspace deliberately planned and executed an attack on the Soviet aircraft. They were only defending themselves.
After a defensive action a peacefull Soviet lawnmover (mistakenly called a "plane" by bourgeous Finnish media) completely destroyed Finnish airspace, got out of ammunition and escaped to near-earth sattelite orbit.
:rofl
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Originally posted by Boroda
Hmm, maintenance? I have heard that FAF technicians still remember MiG-21s with nostalgy, because F-18s are a nightmare in service.
Sure, the export MiG-29s have different avionics. AFAIK most of the VVS 29s are already upgraded to SMT version, that leaves only an airframe making it a completely different aircraft.
At least the major overhaul intervals are much longer on US planes than on the Russian planes. The MIG-21 in it's simplicity might have been more maintenance friendly on the field, and didn't reguire the same amount of training.
The planes were evaluated in 91-92, so the Mig-29 back then was more or less the "A" model. Sure the new versions are much better in the avionics department and they carry the AA-12 "Alamo" missiles which weren't around back then.
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Originally posted by Boroda
I am curious if it is supposed to be a joke...
Can you explain me the origin of this "Soviet Russia" stuff?... You know, cultural differences and all things...
http://www.yakov.com
His "In Soviet Russia...", or "In Soviet Union" form of jokes has become somewhat well known, with people making up their own.
In Soviet Russia, if computer program does not execute, they execute YOU!
Roses are Red
Violets are Blue
In Soviet Russia
Poem writes YOU!
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Originally posted by Boroda
After a defensive action a peacefull Soviet lawnmover (mistakenly called a "plane" by bourgeous Finnish media) completely destroyed Finnish airspace, got out of ammunition and escaped to near-earth sattelite orbit.
:rofl
Atleast it wasnt a civilian aircraft like in the case where the expert russian air defence workers for the people shot down a south korean civilian jumbo carrying 269 people. Im sure their relatives laughed too.
Othervice I would laugh if that "lawnmower" had carried like few hundred russians.
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Heh watching Boroda post his stuff is probably the closest thing to taking LSD you can do without resorting into chemicals.
He's living in an interesting alternate reality.
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Well I'm going to fly from Helsinki tio the StPetersburg in next month and from there to Chelyabinsk...
Gotta hope they don't shoot own aircrafts :)
(Wish me luck; plane's going to be a Tupolev 134...)
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Wonder if $20 euros is a big enough bribe to the Russian Security Services for them to give Staga, an amusing tour of Lubyanka.
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Well.. at least we have proof that Staga is a certified nutcase - he's boarding a Tupolev free willingly.
Friendly advice: Greet your family and make sure your last will is in a secure place.
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Originally posted by Pooh21
Wonder if $20 euros is a big enough bribe to the Russian Security Services for them to give Staga, an amusing tour of Lubyanka.
"$20 euros" ? Is that kinda like £20 pesos or €20 Yens or what ?
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Well.. at least we have proof that Staga is a certified nutcase - he's boarding a Tupolev free willingly.
Friendly advice: Greet your family and make sure your last will is in a secure place.
I'll prefer good ol' Tupolevs to any new-fangled stuff.