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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: ASTAC on May 25, 2005, 07:14:53 PM
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This is where I stand on a few things.
Just thought I’d share them with you guys.
The United States is no longer the great republic it once was.
The government of the republic no longer functions
We have a representative government that represents no one.
Children have no rights guaranteed by the Constitution while in the care of their parents.
Corporal punishment should never have been banned at home or at school.
The Iraq war was not JUST for oil.
The United States should dump Israel.
The US Supreme court and the lower Federal courts are increasingly becoming the new Legislative Branch.
There are no actual Checks or Balances for the Judicial Branch.
Guantanimo Bay is a necessary evil in our “war on terror”
The new anti-spyware laws should apply to US law enforcement also.
There should never have been a “drug deal” on the filibuster issue.
It is well within the senate’s rules for the minority party to filibuster anything that goes to a floor vote. (And I’m a republican so don’t scream “liberal” at me!)
Your property is your property..Imminent domain is BS!
More to come…..
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I think I'm also a republican :D
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I pretty much agree with everything but dumping Israel. Somebody should share the heat.
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I'm actually more for pulling support of all who end up causing more pain than what they are worth. Not just Israel.
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Just curious then, who would you support or keep as an ally in the Middle East?
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Some stuff here I agree with and some not, but this one really stuck in my mind more than the others:
Guantanimo Bay is a necessary evil in our “war on terror”
We're talking about a place where the accused can be locked up forever essentially, without a trial or representation, and tortured also, right?
Seems to me there is something deeply disturbing and wrong about the US running a place like this. I agree its evil, I disagree its necessary. It seems at odds with the principles this country is supposed to stand for. It seems like exactly the kind of thing many people say we are liberating Iraq from under Saddam, and here we are doing it ourselves.
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sorry oboe.
Tain't a black and white world.
Every nation at war has a 'Guantanmo Bay'. Always will.
Our kids are out there doin an ugly job on the lines.. walking the streets, gettin captured, tortured, maimed, killed and their disfigured bodies are dragged thru the streets. They don't work for the fish and game commission, they ain't running a 'catch and release program'. It's a war. A dirty nasty ugly war.
An enemy captured while bearing arms against us does not need to be 'charged'. A suspect agent for the enemy does not need to be 'charged'. Our enemy is not playing by our rules; they do not honor anything remotely close to the 'Geneva Convention'.
Guantanamo is ugly.. and necessary. The moment we start doing 'tag and release' with insurgents captured in a comabt zone will be the moment our kids stop taking prisoners... would you rather the troops handle summary justice? Ask 'em. They'll tell yah, "Snuff 'em instead of sending 'em to the rear for tag and release? No problem. Lemme tell yah what those bastards did to Jimmy in C company.. he was out takin a leak..."
There had better be a Guantanamo. The alternative is worse.
Quote the 'we become them' line all yah like.. and go save a whale or something. Reality is, we ain't lopping off heads and running the video on CNN. We're incarcerating suspects, inerrogating prisoners. And frankly if the guards make 'em play nekkid dog-pile on the mullah that's still a lot better than decapitating somebodys son for the 'cause'.
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Originally posted by ASTAC
This is where I stand on a few things.
Just thought I’d share them with you guys.
The United States is no longer the great republic it once was.
I blame Lincoln.
The government of the republic no longer functions
What did you expect when we made some Texas moron president?
We have a representative government that represents no one.
Sure it does... it represents the interests of corporate America.
Children have no rights guaranteed by the Constitution while in the care of their parents.
There's nothing in the Constitution that states who does and who does not have rights. AFAIK, it's all inclusive (citizens, non-citizens, immigrants, illegal immigrants... everyone)
Corporal punishment should never have been banned at home or at school.
This is a gross oversimplification. I'm not too impressed with parents that need to hit their kids to get their point across.
The United States should dump Israel.
Here, here! :aok
The US Supreme court and the lower Federal courts are increasingly becoming the new Legislative Branch.
Well... let's consider for a moment how the legislative branch wastes time making laws to protect a single eggplant and worrying about steroid abuse in professional sports.
There are no actual Checks or Balances for the Judicial Branch.
The Judicial Branch IS a check and balance.
Guantanimo Bay is a necessary evil in our “war on terror”
Yeah... let's just lock everyone up that we suspect of being a terrorist without worrying about little details like due process. I'm sure they thought places like Manzanar were a necessary evil during WWII.
The new anti-spyware laws should apply to US law enforcement also.
If I'm reading this correctly, you don't like the Patriot Act. Get with the program man! The American people WANT to give up a little freedom in exchange for a little more security.
There should never have been a “drug deal” on the filibuster issue.
The filibuster issue should have never been. The "nuclear option" was idiotic. Hell, the only reason some Republicans went along with the "drug deal" is because they are farsighted enough to know that one day they'll be the minority and they'll want to do the very same thing the Dems are doing.
It is well within the senate’s rules for the minority party to filibuster anything that goes to a floor vote. (And I’m a republican so don’t scream “liberal” at me!)
Yeah...we're in violent agreement.
Your property is your property..Imminent domain is BS!
Agreed. Unless we need to put in a new overpass to speed up the commute. Nothing says "America" better than urban sprawl. ;)
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and I stopped masterbating for this? wtf? :aok
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Interesting. Here are some of my views, no particular order:
1. The US is the most benevolent world power in history
2. We should never turn our backs on Israel, everyone else wants them to dissapear it seems.
3. The Iraq war was completely justified.
4. The only way into heaven is through Jesus Christ
5. The EU will directly lead to a major war in Europe.
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Yeah... let's just lock everyone up that we suspect of being a terrorist without worrying about little details like due process. I'm sure they thought places like Manzanar were a necessary evil during WWII.
Soon as we start rounding up the muslim population of the US, it's territories and *ahem* the 'occupied lands' and truckin' 'em off to guam I'll be right there with yah howling 'due process' and 'save the baby mullah's'.
There's about 300 high risk suspects and hard line POW's at Guantanamo... not the muslim population of San Francisco. Methinks yer doin' the 'tempest in a ****-bowl' bit. If the incarceration of 300 high risk insurgents (and a few 'innocents' of Gixer's ilk) keeps one of our kids alive, shortens the war by one day.. heluva deal.
It's a freakin war.. and in the landscape of war a Guantanamo is a lot more pleasant sight than an overstocked cemetary pit.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Interesting. Here are some of my views, no particular order:
1. The US is the most benevolent world power in history
Yeah... unfortunately all this benevolence costs the taxpayers and we have little or no say about it.
2. We should never turn our backs on Israel, everyone else wants them to dissapear it seems.
If they didn't have the U.S. backing their play, they might find a reason to try and get along. If not, shreck 'em.
3. The Iraq war was completely justified.
I completely disagree. If we're now in the business of regime change for every two-bit dictator, I want my income tax back. Oh... and you get the government you deserve. :)
4. The only way into heaven is through Jesus Christ
There is no such place.
5. The EU will directly lead to a major war in Europe.
Yeah... we have our own civil war as proof. Maybe we should rethink this whole "union" thing.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
It's a freakin war.. and in the landscape of war a Guantanamo is a lot more pleasant sight than an overstocked cemetary pit.
Yeah... just like the so-called "drug war" and the explosion of prisons in this country. Unfortunately, they have no exit strategy for that one either.
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Israelis are not the ones that need to learn to get along.
The Iraq war was not about regime change.
The EU is in no way similar to the early US. I believe the EU will directly lead to a war in Europe.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Israelis are not the ones that need to learn to get along.
Well... if you wrote "not the only ones", I'd agree. Both Israel and Palestine need to get their **** together.
The Iraq war was not about regime change. [/b]
Oh yeah... I keep forgetting about the WMD.
The EU is in no way similar to the early US. I believe the EU will directly lead to a war in Europe. [/B]
I give. Why?
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I'll venture that there are a heluva lot more innocents in our prisons after 'due process' than there are in Guantanamo without.
It ain't pleasant. But it's true.
"Free the American Innocents in Our Prisons BEFORE we free the 'Innocents' in Guantanamo!"
How's that for a new liberal protest slogan?
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Originally posted by Hangtime
How's that for a new liberal protest slogan?
I'll settle for "Abolish all consensual crimes." :)
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LOL! Something to work toward... Come, comrade; let us shoulder this burden together!
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Israel's survival has been threatened since they became a nation again in 1948. The Arab world wants Israel whiped off the map and has tried several times. They do not hide the fact that they will not accept a Jewish state.
The "Palestinians" can go jump in a lake for all I care. They have been offered their own nation, even though they have never even been a nation. They are the ones that need to learn to live with and respect fellow human beings. Makes me sick that people do not support Israel, absolutely sick. The Jews are the most persecuted people in history, and most people even today don't feel any special need to help them survive in their homeland.
If we didn't support Israel, they would have been whiped out by the Arabs. I guess you could care less.
The Iraq war was not simply about WMD, oil, democracy, or regime change. If you can't see a complex situation stemming all the way back to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, then MULTIPLIED by the events of 911, then you are lost and I give up. I just flat out give up. Simpletons are what I'd call a person I have little respect for, but I respect you and will just give up.
The EU is going to cause the weaker nations to be subject to the will of the few powerful nations. There are penalties for inflation, debt and other economic markers. Soveriegnty of nations will be lost, to be controlled by just a few. Too many different cultures and egos. Mark my words.
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Nuke, Israel ain't all that much of a 'pal'.
They sold one of our front line tactical radar systems to the Chinese, after assuring us that they wouldn't.
They illegally recruit, staff and operate an intelligence service in our nation.
The USS Liberty.
Nuclear material, aid and trade with South Africa.. during the embargo.
To name but a very few. I'll let somebody else continue the list of affronts to our intrests perpetrated by our 'friends in the middle east'.
Why on earth should we continue to 'support' a nation that can (and does, any 'ol time it suits them) at the drop of a hat, sell us out, kill our servicemen, spy on us and trade with folks we've got on the embargo list?
Time we got wize.. France is a better ally than Israel.
(did I just say that.. gawd, gotta stop drinking... tomorrow I'll hate myself again)
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Originally posted by NUKE
Israel's survival has been threatened since they became a nation again in 1948. The Arab world wants Israel whiped off the map and has tried several times. They do not hide the fact that they will not accept a Jewish state.
The "Palestinians" can go jump in a lake for all I care. They have been offered there own nation, even though they have never even been a nation. They are the ones that need to learn to live with and respect fellow human beings. Makes me sick that people do not support Israel, absolutely sick. The Jews are the most persecuted people in history, and most people even today don't feel any special need to help them survive in their homeland.
If we didn't support Israel, they would have been whiped out by the Arabs. I guess you could care less.
Actually, I couldn't care less. ;) But... I understand where you're coming from. You're a religious man and the importance of Israel is noted in the book of Revelations. Call me a godless heathen. ;)
The Iraq was was not simply about WMD, oil, democracy, or regime change. If you can't see a complex situation stemming all the way back to Iraq's invasion of Kuwait, then MULTIPLIED by the events of 911, then you are lost and I give up. I just flat out give up. Simpletons are what I'd call a person I have little respect for, but I respect you and will just give up.[/b]
I'm a simple guy. I think a good reason for war should be summed up in twenty-five words or less. ;)
The EU is going to cause the weaker nations to be subject to the will of the few powerful nations. There are penalties for inflation, debt and other economic markers. Soveriegnty of nations will be lost, to be controlled by just a few. Too many different cultures and egos. Mark my words.
I'll take that bet, but I'm neither a political nor an economic expert.
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Hangtime, Israel is not perfect, and neither are we. Israel has every right to exist and protect themselves and I'm glad the US has stood by them.
The Arabs are the barbaric thugs who have called for Israel's destruction and have needed to be delt with for a long time, yet Israel simply wants to exist.
No compairison btween Israel and any of it's neighbors. Sorry, I'm backing Israel and the Arabs can go screw themselves.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Time we got wize.. France is a better ally than Israel.
(did I just say that.. gawd, gotta stop drinking... tomorrow I'll hate myself again)
Well... if it makes you feel better, we wouldn't be here if it were not for France. Of course, the converse is true as well.
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Originally posted by NUKE
The Arabs are the barbaric thugs who have called for Israel's destruction and have needed to be delt with for a long time, yet Israel simply wants to exist.
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Actually I think the Torah says that when the Messiah comes he will rule the world from Jerusalem as his capital and the temple mount church gets rebuilt. So no, they don't just want to exist.
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Sandman, religion has NOTHING to do with how I feel about modern Israel. It's just common sense. Israel is alone and we need to protect them from the barbaric Arab thugs who would otherwise have whiped them out. And the UN turned a blind eye when the Arabs tried to whip Isael out. NOBODY but the US has helped them survive. The arabs can have the UN, Israel has the US.
The Iraq was was not simply about oil, wmd, or any ONE simple reason. I completely undertand and support the need for the war. The US erred in our favor and took care of Saddam and his games for good.
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Originally posted by Raider179
Actually I think the Torah says that when the Messiah comes he will rule the world from Jerusalem as his capital and the temple mount church gets rebuilt. So no, they don't just want to exist.
So, what does the goevernment of Israel say? Are the Israelis saying that they want to rule the world?
The leaders of a lot of Arabs thugs directly have and still call for the desrtuction of Israel. You are not equipped for this path of argument.
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Originally posted by NUKE
So, what does the goevernment of Israel say? Are the Israelis saying that they want to rule the world?
The leaders of a lot of Arabs thugs directly have and still call for the desrtuction of Israel. You are not equipped for this path of argument.
want to go the Isreali extremists vs. the Arab extremists or just governments?
Here is a good start....
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/israel/view/
In "Israel's Next War?" FRONTLINE goes deep inside the world of militant Jewish radicals who pose a grave new threat to Israeli security and, potentially, to the region. "The dream of these extremists"—to blow up the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, one of the most important holy sites in the Muslim world—"should give us sleepless nights," says former Israeli Security Chief Avi Dichter. "Jewish terror is liable to create a serious strategic threat that will turn the Israeli-Palestinian conflict into a conflict between thirteen million Jews and a billion Muslims all over the world."
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So Nuke, why do you think the Arabs (Muslims) have such a hard on for Israel?
Maybe there are clues in Genesis 21. ;)
I think it's all about religion and always has been.
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Nuke, that's a mighty racist and narrow view..
But rather than addressing that, consider this. The Israeli's have done a stand-up job of protecting themselves against 'extinction'.. you may recall that the last three go-arounds were all pretty quick slap downs for the 'oppressors', we didn't have to lift a finger.
Israel is a Tactial and Strategic Nuclear Power. Any doofus that try's to 'exterminate' Israel will be glowing in the dark for a few thousand years.. without so mush as a nod from us.
Next, their economy is not 'third world', Sally Struthers doesn't make any appeals from kibbutz's on the west bank. They do not need our financial aid. Hell, how many billion do we toss to these folks a year... how come we're paying for their socialized medical plan when our citizens have none?
Coffee Time, America. We're being bilked for billions. Turn the tap off to Israel; keep my tax dollars HERE.
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Originally posted by Raider179
want to go the Isreali extremists vs. the Arab extremists or just governments?
Why not just go with the actions and words of the Arab states and their leaders? Need a few examples?
The Arabs cannot tollerate even 1/10th of one percent of the middle east being a Jewish state.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Why not just go with the actions and words of the Arab states and their leaders? Need a few examples?
The Arabs cannot tollerate even 1/10th of one percent of the middle east being a Jewish state.
Ok go ahead. Gotta anything recent or is this gonna go back into the 70's?
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Originally posted by NUKE
The Arabs cannot tollerate even 1/10th of one percent of the middle east being a Jewish state.
Reality speaks louder than rehtoric. Israel HAS existed for 50 years, they have the means (nukes) to make sure the situation doesn't materially change, regardles of arab rehtoric.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Nuke, that's a mighty racist and narrow view..
But rather than addressing that, consider this. The Israeli's have done a stand-up job of protecting themselves against 'extinction'.. you may recall that the last three go-arounds were all pretty quick slap downs for the 'oppressors', we didn't have to lift a finger.
Israel is a Tactial and Strategic Nuclear Power. Any doofus that try's to 'exterminate' Israel will be glowing in the dark for a few thousand years.. without so mush as a nod from us.
Next, their economy is not 'third world', Sally Struthers doesn't make any appeals from kibbutz's on the west bank. They do not need our financial aid. Hell, how many billion do we toss to these folks a year... how come we're paying for their socialized medical plan when our citizens have none?
Coffee Time, America. We're being bilked for billions. Turn the tap off to Israel; keep my tax dollars HERE.
It's all because of US aid Hangtime. The Israelis were rushed US arms supplies more than once during their wars and would not have survived without US weapons, money, intelligence and support.
You realise that we spend nearly as much money paying Egypt off? We pay Egypt in order to buy their peace.
Call my view rascist, I call it fact. The Arabs cannot stand the idea of a Jewish state.
Israel is a country who educates their people and they are civil, modern and deserve their nation.
The Israelis produce more scientists, nobel prize winners, doctors and scholars than all the Arab nations combined, yet are a fraction of their numbers. That is not a rascist statement, that is fact.
Arab states are the ones that need to step into this century. If they refuse, I say screw them all.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Reality speaks louder than rehtoric. Israel HAS existed for 50 years, they have the means (nukes) to make sure the situation doesn't materially change, regardles of arab rehtoric.
It was not and is not "retoric" The Arabs have a history of TRYING to whipe out Isreal THREE times in 50 years. Not just talk, but actual WAR.
Israel may have nukes now, but that doesn't make them safe from the barbaric Arab fanatics who are seeking nukes and who I could imagine being barbaric and stupid enough to use them.
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Originally posted by ASTAC
This is where I stand on a few things.
Just thought I’d share them with you guys.
The United States is no longer the great republic it once was.
The government of the republic no longer functions
We have a representative government that represents no one.
Children have no rights guaranteed by the Constitution while in the care of their parents.
Corporal punishment should never have been banned at home or at school.
The Iraq war was not JUST for oil.
The United States should dump Israel.
The US Supreme court and the lower Federal courts are increasingly becoming the new Legislative Branch.
There are no actual Checks or Balances for the Judicial Branch.
Guantanimo Bay is a necessary evil in our “war on terror”
The new anti-spyware laws should apply to US law enforcement also.
There should never have been a “drug deal” on the filibuster issue.
It is well within the senate’s rules for the minority party to filibuster anything that goes to a floor vote. (And I’m a republican so don’t scream “liberal” at me!)
Your property is your property..Imminent domain is BS!
More to come…..
Six years of GWB will do this to even the staunchest of conservatives. I would like to say I feel your pain but I warned you two years ago not to reelect the guy but you did it anyway.
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Originally posted by Raider179
Ok go ahead. Gotta anything recent or is this gonna go back into the 70's?
Among the talk of Arab leaders, even today? We have Saddam launching scuds into Israel in the 90's.
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The EU is going to cause the weaker nations to be subject to the will of the few powerful nations.
Nope, never going to happen. Every member state can just rescind the act of government that signed them up to the EU and be completely free. I'm sure they'd do fine outside it. Switzerland is managing to do quite well, I believe.
More likely is that one of the big countries (UK, France or Germany) pulls out of the EU and it loses power. You have heard about all the problems about the ratification of the constitution by referendum in France and Holland haven't you?
As for the EU becoming some malevolent behemoth trampling on individual country's sovereignty; I can really see the UK for one going against its reputation for justice, freedom and liberal free thinking and becoming a Nazi Germany.
Face it, you're ignorant of the facts but entirely knowledgeable of your own prejudices. Unfortunately, you communicate both all too well.
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Smoke and Mirrors.
Do some careful homework. While they did at one time use our hardware, these days they mostly build, fly and drive their own stuff. The majority of the stuff we sent them they usually just sell off at a discount to somebody else. (without paying us for it in the first place)
And no, it wasn't our Aid that turned the tide in any of their wars. Do the homework, Nuke. Our role in the past was in balancing our forces against those of the Soviets in the eastern med. They fought their own lil wars, our 'aid' was not 'the crux'.
Now, I'm certain that since I'm a simpleton in your estimation, and that since your views are really just based on neo-religious anti-muslim rehtoric that you'll continues to sidestep the real facts and return to expousing politically correct 1980's propaganda, but should you decide to really look into the situation you might be surprised by the facts instead of the parroted regurge that suffices for 'knowledge' in your neck of the woods.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
And no, it wasn't our Aid that turned the tide in any of their wars. Do the homework, Nuke.
how much would you like to bet? You better do your own homework before you assume that I don't know what I am talking about.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Among the talk of Arab leaders, even today? We have Saddam launching scuds into Israel in the 90's.
Ohh I see your gonna use Saddam. Nicely played. Tired but played. My Turn...
Monday, Jan. 24, 2005
JERUSALEM -- Israel has quietly seized large tracts of Jerusalem land owned by Palestinian residents of the West Bank after they were cut off from their property by Israel's separation barrier, lawyers of the landowners said.
The land was taken after Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's government decided several months ago to enforce a long-dormant law that allows Israel to seize lands of Palestinians who fled or were driven out during the 1948-49 Mideast war that followed Israel's creation.
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Originally posted by Raider179
Ohh I see your gonna use Saddam. Nicely played. Tired but played. My Turn...
Monday, Jan. 24, 2005
JERUSALEM -- Israel has quietly seized large tracts of Jerusalem land owned by Palestinian residents of the West Bank after they were cut off from their property by Israel's separation barrier, lawyers of the landowners said.
The land was taken after Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's government decided several months ago to enforce a long-dormant law that allows Israel to seize lands of Palestinians who fled or were driven out during the 1948-49 Mideast war that followed Israel's creation.
So, even if that is true, that make you think that Israel wants to rule the world? That was your point, remember what a point is?
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Originally posted by Sandman
So Nuke, why do you think the Arabs (Muslims) have such a hard on for Israel?
Maybe there are clues in Genesis 21. ;)
I think it's all about religion and always has been.
For the Arabs, it's probably about religion. They are mostly uneducated barbarians.
The Israelis are not looking to whipe out the Arabs, but the Arabs sure have been trying to whipe out the Israelis.
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Originally posted by NUKE
So, even if that is true, that make you think that Israel wants to rule the world? That was your point, remember what a point is?
No I said, "I think the Torah says that when the Messiah comes he will rule the world from Jerusalem as his capital and the temple mount church gets rebuilt. So no, they don't just want to exist.
Now do I think that the Israeli's want the MESSIAH to rule? Yep you better believe it.
side note....
At a time when the United States looks to justify attacks on Iraq because of Saddam’s violations of international law and U.N. Security Council resolutions, we might consider how such resolutions are respected in this situation. U.N. Security Council resolution 446 states that Israeli settlements built on land occupied since 1967 “have no legal validity and constitute a serious obstruction to achieving a comprehensive, just and lasting peace.” Resolution 446 also asks Israel to observe the Fourth Geneva Convention, which states that an occupying power “shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies.” Passed in 1979, this resolution has been followed by resolutions condemning Israeli failure to comply with it; that failure continues today. Settlements continue to expand.
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Originally posted by NUKE
For the Arabs, it's probably about religion. They are mostly uneducated barbarians.
The Israelis are not looking to whipe out the Arabs, but the Arabs sure have been trying to whipe out the Israelis.
*sigh*
The Israeli's are just trying to wipe the arabs outta Israel is all. That's kewl. Ethnic Cleansing is a no-no for Croat's, Serb's, Checkkens, Norwegians, etc... but it's ok fer the Jew's to cleanse their country of Arabs?
Yer sounding very, very racist there Nuke. Be careful. Our Indians are watching.. and there's more of 'em where you are than there are here. (we bought this dump fer some beads and shells.. out there, yah just took it outright from the 'barbarians').
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Originally posted by Dowding
Nope, never going to happen. Every member state can just rescind the act of government that signed them up to the EU and be completely free. I'm sure they'd do fine outside it. Switzerland is managing to do quite well, I believe.
More likely is that one of the big countries (UK, France or Germany) pulls out of the EU and it loses power. You have heard about all the problems about the ratification of the constitution by referendum in France and Holland haven't you?
As for the EU becoming some malevolent behemoth trampling on individual country's sovereignty; I can really see the UK for one going against its reputation for justice, freedom and liberal free thinking and becoming a Nazi Germany.
Face it, you're ignorant of the facts but entirely knowledgeable of your own prejudices. Unfortunately, you communicate both all too well.
Dowding, thanks.
What I envision is a time when the EU will not want a state to leave the union, or a time when a state feels it CANNOT leave and still survive. Wars have been fought for far less reasons.
The formula for war is there right now. Never say never, it's not very smart.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
*sigh*
The Israeli's are just trying to wipe the arabs outta Israel is all. That's kewl. Ethnic Cleansing is a no-no for Croat's, Serb's, Checkkens, Norwegians, etc... but it's ok fer the Jew's to cleanse their country of Arabs?
Yer sounding very, very racist there Nuke. Be careful. Our Indians are watching.. and there's more of 'em where you are than there are here. (we bought this dump fer some beads and shells.. out there, yah just took it outright from the 'barbarians').
They are not trying to wipe Arabs out of Israel. They could have wiped the Arabs out of the middle east if that's what they wanted. You are going to have to come up with something better.
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They could have wiped the Arabs out of the middle east if that's what they wanted. You are going to have to come up with something better.
Then just WTF do bthey need our support for?
Another dodge Nuke. You say one thing; refuse to back it; run off in another direction and contradict yourself.
When you get handed an AP wire quote, you just ignore it... did you not read that snip..
Monday, Jan. 24, 2005
JERUSALEM -- Israel has quietly seized large tracts of Jerusalem land owned by Palestinian residents of the West Bank after they were cut off from their property by Israel's separation barrier, lawyers of the landowners said.
The land was taken after Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's government decided several months ago to enforce a long-dormant law that allows Israel to seize lands of Palestinians who fled or were driven out during the 1948-49 Mideast war that followed Israel's creation.
And then just now say "they are not trying to wipe arabs outta Israel"..
If I held up a Blue card, would you say, 'No.. that's not Blue.. you never had a Blue card. That card was Turquoise'.
It's like trying to teach my cat to sing.. an immense waste of my time, and it just annoy's the cat.
G'night Nuke.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Another dodge Nuke. You say one thing; refuse to back it; run off in another direction. When you get handed an AP wire quote, you just ignore it... did you not read that snip..
Monday, Jan. 24, 2005
JERUSALEM -- Israel has quietly seized large tracts of Jerusalem land owned by Palestinian residents of the West Bank after they were cut off from their property by Israel's separation barrier, lawyers of the landowners said.
The land was taken after Prime Minister Ariel Sharon's government decided several months ago to enforce a long-dormant law that allows Israel to seize lands of Palestinians who fled or were driven out during the 1948-49 Mideast war that followed Israel's creation.
And then just now say "they are not trying to wipe arabs outta Israel"..
If I held up a Blue card, would you say, 'No.. that's not Blue.. you never had a Blue card. That card was Turquoise'.
It's like trying to teach my cat to sing.. an immense waste of my time, and it just annoy's the cat.
G'night Nuke.
I'm not denying that that is an AP "snip" I'm questioning if that is a known fact. Or do you take AP "snips" as fact?
Actually, even if it was true ( which it may be) it does not support the original argument that Israel was out to rule the world, does it?
You are saying goodnight? Well, goodnight to you also.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Then just WTF do bthey need our support for?
Maybe they don't now. But WTF does Egypt need our support for? WTF has Egypt EVER needed our support? Didn't they have enough Soviet support to keep them alive in the evil Israeli dominated middle east?
Fuggin moron.
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Originally posted by NUKE
Interesting. Here are some of my views, no particular order:
1. The US is the most benevolent world power in history
2. We should never turn our backs on Israel, everyone else wants them to dissapear it seems.
3. The Iraq war was completely justified.
4. The only way into heaven is through Jesus Christ
5. The EU will directly lead to a major war in Europe.
Lol....with #4 you have transcended from ridiculous to sadly hilarious. I can just picture Jesus perched on your shoulder as you verbally slash your way through the boards every day.
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Originally posted by aztec
Lol....with #4 you have transcended from ridiculous to sadly hilarious. I can just picture Jesus perched on your shoulder as you verbally slash your way through the boards every day.
You like to ridicule people's views and take the position of some sort of higher understanding of life?
So very humble of you to ridicule my views. Let's hear some of your views. Take a stand on something Mr Simpleton. Let's hear it.
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Sorry Nuke...perhaps you would have understood the stand I took if I would have called you a moron first. However, I'll leave that sort of thing to you.
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Originally posted by aztec
Sorry Nuke...perhaps you would have understood the stand I took if I would have called you a moron first. However, I'll leave that sort of thing to you.
In other words, you ridicule my beliefs and refuse to say what you believe in. You afraid to take a stand? What kind of man is afraid to state his beliefs?
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Nuke..You need help.
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Goodness gracious it appears I have scored a direct hit on a fragile control surface. Here's a belief for you Sir...you strike me as the poster boy for "can dish it out but can't take it".
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Originally posted by SirLoin
Nuke..You need help.
A usual for you, you have nothing to offer other than a wasted remark.
What specifically would you say I needed help with? I'm betting you have no specific answer, since you never have had one that I can remember.
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Originally posted by aztec
Goodness gracious it appears I have scored a direct hit on a fragile control surface. Here's a belief for you Sir...you strike me as the poster boy for "can dish it out but can't take it".
I can take whatever you've got, which so far has not been anything other than ridiculing my beliefs.
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Sheesh Nuke, here it is, please read it carefully. I did not ridicule your belief of anything. I did point out that I felt the statement you made...ie; #4 was sadly hypocritical. Please don't burn my records.;)
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Nuke, Aztec...don't get my thread locked!
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OK Astac, I'll try not to.:)
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hey Nuke, can you remind me when and where J.C. said that the path to Heaven was to call every person you disagree with 'moron'?
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What I envision is a time when the EU will not want a state to leave the union...
And where will it suddenly get that power from, because it certainly doesn't have it now. There's no way such authoritarian powers would pass a vote - no country would want to give up sovereignty to that extent.
Think of it like this. In the UK, when drawing up acts of parliament, there is a proviso that any draft act should not limit the powers of future governments to rescind that act. They have the same set-up in the EU.
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Wow! That sandman guy is a real hippie!
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Originally posted by NUKE
Maybe they don't now. But WTF does Egypt need our support for? WTF has Egypt EVER needed our support? Didn't they have enough Soviet support to keep them alive in the evil Israeli dominated middle east?
Fuggin moron.
Moron?
Coupled with the statement above, and the niggling lil fact that the shift of Egypt from being in the Soviet camp to the Western camp was one of the few (oh, so very few) diplomatic successes of modern times in the middle east... it would seem pretty clear who the 'moron' is in this discussion.
*sigh*
Read the peace treaty, Nuke. And please; try and refrain from 3rd grade level personal attacks in my direction. 5th grade is more my speed.
Jimmy's Legacy (http://www.mfa.gov.il/MFA/Peace%20Process/Guide%20to%20the%20Peace%20Process/Israel-Egypt%20Peace%20Treaty)
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Wow! That sandman guy is a real hippie!
:p
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Originally posted by NUKE
Interesting. Here are some of my views, no particular order:
1. The US is the most benevolent world power in history
2. We should never turn our backs on Israel, everyone else wants them to dissapear it seems.
3. The Iraq war was completely justified.
4. The only way into heaven is through Jesus Christ
5. The EU will directly lead to a major war in Europe.
That has to be the most hilarious list I've ever seen. Especially # 4 certainly explains alot.
I'd post my list but I'd probably get banned since only red white & blue pro US stuff is allowed it seems. :lol
...-Gixer