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Title: WEP underpowered?
Post by: frank3 on May 26, 2005, 03:40:33 AM
I always found the WEP in Aces High abit underpowered, the Luftwaffe planes and the P-47's WEP both sound good, but for planes like the F4U or P-51...I can hardly even HEAR a change in manifold...

I used to play MCFS II, Pacific Theatre. There, the WEP could really pull you trough that last bit of the Loop, or make that turn a little tighter.

I never experienced any massive performance increase by hitting that 'p' button.
Title: WEP underpowered?
Post by: 1Klink on May 26, 2005, 07:17:52 AM
why are you playing with engine sounds on frank?

with them off you can hear people B&Z'in you alot better.
Title: WEP underpowered?
Post by: Ghosth on May 26, 2005, 08:52:53 AM
I'm with klink.

Engine sounds 40 % wind 90 % (better able to judge speed in a fight)

Engine is just a low hum.
Title: WEP underpowered?
Post by: Dead Man Flying on May 26, 2005, 09:26:18 AM
I crank up my engine sound.  That way I drown out everyone around me screaming like little girls.

-- Todd/Leviathn
Title: WEP underpowered?
Post by: SkyWolf on May 26, 2005, 02:19:54 PM
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Originally posted by 1Klink
why are you playing with engine sounds on frank?

with them off you can hear people B&Z'in you alot better.


:(
Isn't that kind of gaming the game?  I'm sure the Pilots in WWII would have loved to go into "quiet" mode too....not very cool or realistic though (I know, it's a game not a sim bla, bla, bla).  Is it that much more important to win even if you are using every little flaw in the game to do it?

So now I have to fly at 50k with my engine sounds turned down in an LA7 so I'm good? How many other people do that kind of stuff? Any other tips I should know about?

:confused:

Woof
Title: WEP underpowered?
Post by: dedalos on May 26, 2005, 02:31:11 PM
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Originally posted by SkyWolf
:(
So now I have to fly at 50k with my engine sounds turned down in an LA7 so I'm good? How many other people do that kind of stuff? Any other tips I should know about?

:confused:

Woof


Don't fly that low.  The rooks will cherry pick you :lol   :lol  :lol
Title: WEP underpowered?
Post by: frank3 on May 26, 2005, 04:17:35 PM
Stay on topic gentlemen. I find the WEP underpowered, it has nothing to do with the sound actually.
When hitting P, your plane should go beserc, this is not seen with many planes.

I doubt it even helps much in a fight
Title: WEP underpowered?
Post by: SuperDud on May 26, 2005, 04:19:29 PM
I'm sure that the response will be that it is modeled accuratley.
Title: WEP underpowered?
Post by: frank3 on May 26, 2005, 04:20:41 PM
I bet it is, but doesn't look like it though...

Oh what the hey, everyone may whine sometime :)
Title: WEP underpowered?
Post by: Golfer on May 26, 2005, 04:26:53 PM
Just so it's said...

You're not going to ever hear an increase in manifold pressure.

WEP (War Emergency Power) is simply put...water injection.

Water is injected into the fuel/air mixture to retard detonation.  How and why it increases horsepower is for an engineer to tell you...as a pilot it's not your concern you simply say "it just does" :)

Don't think of it as an afterburner on a fighter jet.  It's not.  It's not some mystical magic power boost, it gives you a boost in horsepower for a very limited time.  It's not going to allow you to perform any incredible maneuvers or make the flight envelope expand.

I think too many players think of WEP as an afterburner and if you do that...you're sure to be disappointed.
Title: WEP underpowered?
Post by: Lye-El on May 26, 2005, 04:54:32 PM
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Originally posted by SkyWolf

So now I have to fly at 50k with my engine sounds turned down in an LA7 so I'm good? How many other people do that kind of stuff? Any other tips I should know about?

:confused:

Woof


If you are high you're an alt monkey.

If you're in a ground vehicle, a Roach.

If you're in a 5" in a battle fleet, you're in a 'Tard gun and you are a no skill dweeb.

In a fast aircraft, you're a runner unless you try to turn with a turner, then you're O.K., dead, but O.K. because somebody got to kill you.

Don't fly up a bombers six..

Don't use altitude to your advantage or you are a cherry picker.

Use of flaps is standard combat procedure.

Don't turn the carrier if people are taking off, they tend to get irate.

Don't fly the SpitV or LA7 a.ka. Dweebfire or LaLa unless you are really good, then it's O.K.

Don't fly bombers or the *ahem* real fighter pilots will call you a toolshedder.

Concider a six call a courtsey, not a right.

There is always someone higher, faster, or luckier.
Title: WEP underpowered?
Post by: Widewing on May 26, 2005, 04:55:02 PM
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Originally posted by Golfer
Just so it's said...

You're not going to ever hear an increase in manifold pressure.

WEP (War Emergency Power) is simply put...water injection.


It's not always water injection. It is sometimes simply an overboosting of the engine(s), sometimes with a corresponding increase in RPM.

For example, the P-38s do not have water injection.

My regards,

Widewing
Title: WEP underpowered?
Post by: Golfer on May 26, 2005, 04:56:39 PM
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Originally posted by Widewing
It's not always water injection. It is sometimes simply an overboosting of the engine(s), sometimes with a corresponding increase in RPM.

For example, the P-38s do not have water injection.

My regards,

Widewing


I'm putting things simply, dammit :)  No need to confuse the poor little guy.
Title: WEP underpowered?
Post by: frank3 on May 26, 2005, 05:08:13 PM
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Originally posted by Lye-El
If you are high you're an alt monkey.

If you're in a ground vehicle, a Roach.

If you're in a 5" in a battle fleet, you're in a 'Tard gun and you are a no skill dweeb.

In a fast aircraft, you're a runner unless you try to turn with a turner, then you're O.K., dead, but O.K. because somebody got to kill you.

Don't fly up a bombers six..

Don't use altitude to your advantage or you are a cherry picker.

Use of flaps is standard combat procedure.

Don't turn the carrier if people are taking off, they tend to get irate.

Don't fly the SpitV or LA7 a.ka. Dweebfire or LaLa unless you are really good, then it's O.K.

Don't fly bombers or the *ahem* real fighter pilots will call you a toolshedder.

Concider a six call a courtsey, not a right.

There is always someone higher, faster, or luckier.


It all comes down that you can only be respected when flying the B5N and/or get killed alot
Title: WEP underpowered?
Post by: killnu on May 26, 2005, 05:30:49 PM
wep is way underpowered on P38G...
Title: WEP underpowered?
Post by: 1Klink on May 26, 2005, 06:55:59 PM
Well skywolf too be honest when the engine noise is turned down you can hear people on the vox alot better,and it helps your overall situational awareness,and SA is 95% of this game.

Having the engine sounds turned off doesn,t alert the Wife-Ack Battery's.
Title: WEP underpowered?
Post by: Swoop on May 26, 2005, 07:08:32 PM
There should be a minimum engine sound level hardcoded to prevent this kinda thing.

(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/209_1081438631_swoop.gif)
Title: WEP underpowered?
Post by: Octavius on May 26, 2005, 07:40:42 PM
That's sad.
Title: WEP underpowered?
Post by: eilif on May 26, 2005, 11:32:40 PM
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Having the engine sounds turned off doesn,t alert the Wife-Ack Battery's.


(http://www.rnib.org.uk/xpedio/groups/public/documents/publicwebsite/public_nbjun71-1.jpg)
Title: WEP underpowered?
Post by: jetb123 on May 26, 2005, 11:42:26 PM
Another why does the b26 how wep? It only moves the MAN pressure like a few notches.
Title: WEP underpowered?
Post by: Guppy35 on May 27, 2005, 12:21:26 AM
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Originally posted by killnu
wep is way underpowered on P38G...


Beat me to it.  We don't need no stinking WEP!  :)

Dan/CorkyJr
P38G driver
Title: WEP underpowered?
Post by: Saintaw on May 27, 2005, 06:13:14 AM
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Originally posted by eilif
(http://www.rnib.org.uk/xpedio/groups/public/documents/publicwebsite/public_nbjun71-1.jpg)


Hajo? :D
Title: WEP underpowered?
Post by: straffo on May 27, 2005, 06:24:28 AM
Probably :p
Title: WEP underpowered?
Post by: Golfer on May 27, 2005, 11:08:37 AM
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Originally posted by jetb123
Another why does the b26 how wep? It only moves the MAN pressure like a few notches.


Look a little closer as to when you see a result of using wep.  At sea level?  Nope.  Climb a bit and get some altitude...ahhh...we have sea level manifold pressure again!

Like Huggy Bear said...I'll lay it out for you to play it out.

Look fuzz gotsta buzz...
Title: WEP underpowered?
Post by: frank3 on May 27, 2005, 12:34:53 PM
But why our Skytrain has it... aircraftgods only know
Title: WEP underpowered?
Post by: Golfer on May 27, 2005, 01:17:28 PM
Say you're going to hop a flight "over the hump" fully loaded with goats, chickens, ammo and a Jeep.  Are you going to want only rated power or do you want a boost getting that junk off the ground.  I'll take the boost when I'm haulin the junk any day.

Do a little reading, you'll find that some civilian jet airliners had water injection...wrap your brains around that.