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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: GtoRA2 on May 26, 2005, 03:23:36 PM
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I am not anti abortion, though I find it moraly wrong and if used as birth controll digusting( I know several broads that do).
Yes I am pro the choice to be a iresponsible scum bag and have your problems sucked out. IE pro choice.
For adults.... NOT children!
But those are just my views, if you want to have a baby sucked for your body, more power to you. If there is a god you will pay for it... if not then we are all just animals anyway and it doesnt me **** in the grand sceme of things.
Still... I find it complete wrong to allow minors, children to have abortions or any other medical procedure done without parental concent. It is total BS. How the hell did these laws get passed?
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Bull****.
So if she has cancer the doc cant tell the parents then either?
Thats crap why do parents sign the forms.
I do not think every state has laws like this either.
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PP worries about the time that the Dad is also the Grandfather, and parental notification might be akward and / or dangerous.
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yeah so every normal parent gets screwed because planed parent hood has a BS ajenda and uses a small percentage of cases were the child is being molested.
In those cases they SHOULD be getting the cops to go make some arrests, with a notice saying yeah your kids pregnant and your going to jail you sick bastard!
I bet they are agaist getting the police on the case too right?
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In Ohio, a minor can get an abortion without parential consent only by a court order.
The minor can have the court designate a Grandparent, Step-parent, or sibling over the age of 21 as a guardian. Or in the case of hardship (abuse, incest, etc) the court can rule that no parential approval is needed.
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I dont anderstand. What happens if the parent says no. Are they going to rase the kid? What happens to the kid latter? Why do you think they have the right to have a say in the matter? Does it matter if the girl is 4 months away from not being a minor? 2 months? 1 week? What is a minor? How did we come up with the exact number that all humans become adults? And finnaly, why is what some one else does with their body and/or life, any of your business? Relegion maybe?
And yes, I do have two daughters.
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I agree with you GtoRA2, but that's the reason.
Your minor daughter can't get her ears pierced w/o notification in some states but abortion is kept quiet from the parents.
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What age do they class as a minor in the US? Does it vary from state to state?
...-Gixer
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Clinics should have NO right what so ever to perform any un-needed medical procedure on a child without the consent of the parents.
If you're old enough to do the deed you are old enough to inform your parents and own up to it.
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dedalos
Ok your 12 year old gets prego. You dont think you have the right to know?
I am not saying that they CANT have one. Just that the parent should be informed and be part of the decicison when it is their kid.
Can a kid sign a legal contract?
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Mickey1992
It sounds like Ohio does not have its political heads up there tulips on this. I can live with those rules.
Letting a 12 or 15 year old girl have abortions without letting the parents know is sick. If the parents are molestors they should go to jail that should not be an excuse.
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This is a tough issue. I would say under 16 demand parental notification. Use Social Services, do a blood test whatever to insure it wasnt the dad, brother, whoever. But they should be made aware so they can keep it from happening again. over 16 which is legal to be married in some states well that is up to them if they tell there parents.
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Cancer would be a different case. Cacner is an illness whereas pregnancy is not. Not saying I agree with the rules.
Originally posted by GtoRA2
Bull****.
So if she has cancer the doc cant tell the parents then either?
Thats crap why do parents sign the forms.
I do not think every state has laws like this either.
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minors are people too
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Originally posted by Nilsen
minors are people too
so are parents who have the "legal, equitable and moral" responsibilities for raising said child wich by definition of court is not waivable.
OR
My house my rules as my dad allways told me. Then again I never had to tell him I wanted to have an abortion. I guess that's a good thing ;)
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you are reading way too much into my post :D
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Originally posted by Raider179
This is a tough issue. I would say under 16 demand parental notification. Use Social Services, do a blood test whatever to insure it wasnt the dad, brother, whoever. But they should be made aware so they can keep it from happening again. over 16 which is legal to be married in some states well that is up to them if they tell there parents.
That sounds reasonable enough to me.
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Originally posted by Fuzzy
Cancer would be a different case. Cacner is an illness whereas pregnancy is not. Not saying I agree with the rules.
It is still private medical info.
If you can hide an abortion why not that?
Minors are minors because they are not old enough to make legal decisions on their own. They cant drive, vote, drink etc.
They are their parents responisblilty and their parents have the right to know what goes on in EVERY part of their lives. Not just the right THE NEED to do the job right.
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Well doing some research, it is State dependent on issues of emancipation due to pregnancy, with most having a requirement of age 16 or higher. Most will not grant an abortion without a court order. Most will not grant a court order unless there is a threat of harm from the parents.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
minors are people too
SO you would be fine with your 12 year old or 14 etc having an abortion without your knowledge?
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Originally posted by Fuzzy
Well doing some research, it is State dependent on issues of emancipation due to pregnancy, with most having a requirement of age 16 or higher. Most will not grant an abortion without a court order. Most will not grant a court order unless there is a threat of harm from the parents.
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Can you post some links?
I looked earlier and didnt find much and the Planet parent hood site is a bunch of propaganda.
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here is Nevada law:
NRS 129.030 Consent for examination and treatment.
1. Except as otherwise provided in NRS 450B.525, a minor may give consent for the services provided in subsection 2 for himself or for his child, if he is:
(a) Living apart from his parents or legal guardian, with or without the consent of the parent, parents or legal guardian, and has so lived for a period of at least 4 months;
(b) Married or has been married;
(c) A mother, or has borne a child; or
(d) In a physician’s judgment, in danger of suffering a serious health hazard if health care services are not provided.
2. Except as otherwise provided in subsection 4 and NRS 450B.525, the consent of the parent or parents or the legal guardian of a minor is not necessary for a local or state health officer, board of health, licensed physician or public or private hospital to examine or provide treatment for any minor, included within the provisions of subsection 1, who understands the nature and purpose of the proposed examination or treatment and its probable outcome, and voluntarily requests it. The consent of the minor to examination or treatment pursuant to this subsection is not subject to disaffirmance because of minority.
3. A person who treats a minor pursuant to subsection 2 shall, before initiating treatment, make prudent and reasonable efforts to obtain his consent to communicate with his parent, parents or legal guardian, and shall make a note of such efforts in the record of his care. If the person believes that such efforts would jeopardize treatment necessary to the minor’s life or necessary to avoid a serious and immediate threat to the minor’s health, the person may omit such efforts and note the reasons for the omission in the record.
4. A minor may not consent to his sterilization.
5. In the absence of negligence, no person providing services pursuant to subsection 2 is subject to civil or criminal liability for providing those services.
6. The parent, parents or legal guardian of a minor who receives services pursuant to subsection 2 are not liable for the payment for those services unless the parent, parents or legal guardian has consented to such health care services. The provisions of this subsection do not relieve a parent, parents or legal guardian from liability for payment for emergency services provided to a minor pursuant to NRS 129.040.
(Added to NRS by 1965, 170; A 1971, 1334; 1973, 25, 1521; 1975, 1475; 1977, 185; 1981, 1164; 2001, 820)
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search under teen pregnancy, emancipation, self determination
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(c) A mother, or has borne a child; or
OK so if she's pregnant does that constitute her being a Mother?????
If so whouldn't that language define the baby in her whome as living, alive, or a child?
If so whouldnt an abortion BASED ON THE LANGUAGE OF THIS LAW be considered murder/manslaughter?
My interpretion of this law would probably mean that a minor child who is a mother can get medical treatment for herself or the child. An abortion wouldn't fall under that.
please correct me if i'm wrong though.
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So under navada law, a 12 year old who runs away for 4 months can get an abortion without parental concent?
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Fuzzy did you delete your post the one that was second in this thread?
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I did because I made it seem as though everywhere was the same. I hate to be misinformed and would not want to be quoted out of context.
Originally posted by GtoRA2
Fuzzy did you delete your post the one that was second in this thread?
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I am basing this on having positive pregnancy tests in an emergency room using the hospitals' guidelines on medical information release, and patient rights. As far as notifying the parents, it is our policy not to if the test is positive, deferring notification to the patient. In questionable cases, such as very young, etc, you could contact CPS/APS and have an inquiry ordered.
Malicious or even accidental usage of patient information (ie, your underage, immature, slutty daughter is pregnant) without consent is in violation of HIPPA (health information privacy and portability act). Whether or not prejudicial release of the information has taken place, the patient could interpret it as that and sue for damages as well as have the offending party(ies) fined heavily.
Unfortunately because of the litigious society we live in, it has to be done this way.
I am unsure as to abortion rights. As stated above, most staes require court approval.
Not an expert, just commenting based on our policies.
Originally posted by Gunslinger
OK so if she's pregnant does that constitute her being a Mother?????
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Originally posted by Fuzzy
I am basing this on having positive pregnancy tests in an emergency room using the hospitals' guidelines on medical information release, and patient rights. As far as notifying the parents, it is our policy not to if the test is positive, deferring notification to the patient. In questionable cases, such as very young, etc, you could contact CPS/APS and have an inquiry ordered.
Malicious or even accidental usage of patient information (ie, your underage, immature, slutty daughter is pregnant) without consent is in violation of HIPPA (health information privacy and portability act). Whether or not prejudicial release of the information has taken place, the patient could interpret it as that and sue for damages as well as have the offending party(ies) fined heavily.
Unfortunately because of the litigious society we live in, it has to be done this way.
I am unsure as to abortion rights. As stated above, most staes require court approval.
Not an expert, just commenting based on our policies.
taht's interesting as far as reporting goes. I'm just curious about the mother line in the language of the law. Is a pregnant minor who doesnt have any children considered a "mother"?
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I would think that is how the hospital's lawyers interpret it. I am no lawyer, but given the way it is written, it would seem that a pregnant woman is considered a mother.
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I just think it's kinda funny that a minor can get an abortion without parental consent...and yet that same minor cannot have minor (no pun intended) surgery without parental consent.
Oh yea, then there's Illinois, where they are trying to make it illegal to sell certain video games to minors (I remember that thread last week here).
It's kinda comical. I can't buy a video game in one state but I can have an abortion in the same state (or another state). It's comical because if I really tried to understand things these days, I would surely go insane.
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"and yet that same minor cannot have minor (no pun intended) surgery without parental consent. "
who pays for the minor surgery?
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
dedalos
Ok your 12 year old gets prego. You dont think you have the right to know?
I am not saying that they CANT have one. Just that the parent should be informed and be part of the decicison when it is their kid.
Can a kid sign a legal contract?
Sorry, I guess I missread that: "Still... I find it complete wrong to allow minors, children to have abortions or any other medical procedure done without parental concent. It is total BS. How the hell did these laws get passed?"
Now, if that happens, and my 12 yearold did get pregnant, the batle had been lost years ago.
Thank got she is only 5, lol
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so many horny 15 year old girls