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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Saintaw on March 14, 2001, 03:26:00 PM
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errr, I just saw it and well... I hope you like "Love stories"...
Appart from that, there a few good scenes with Stukas and Light Bombers I could not recognise (shame on me!).
Ah, well, can't please everyone now, can we ? (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Saw
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You mean they based the movie off Al Gore and Tipper's life?
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going to see it Friday
Eagler
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I suspected they might make the love story THE story... gets more people into the theatres, that's for sure, but a little dissappointing to hear. I'll go see it this weekend in any case.
The bombers I saw in the trailers were Ju88s, I believe...
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I'd heard Rachel Weisz was in it?
Aaah, Raaaaaaachel Weiiiiiiisz - will keep me far more interested than a bunch German aeronautical machines. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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Dowding has a very good point (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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yeap, they were ju88s and what do you mean love story???? oh who cares im seing it friday
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I hate love storys. Hate them.
Offspings of the great bards, they give a highly unrealistic picture of what love is whpo, for some reason, every woman and many men walk around with in their heads expecting to find.
Non love story oriented movies for me, please (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
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"Live to pull, pull to live"
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Originally posted by StSanta:
I hate love storys. Hate them.
Offspings of the great bards, they give a highly unrealistic picture of what love is whpo, for some reason, every woman and many men walk around with in their heads expecting to find.
Non love story oriented movies for me, please (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
thus your signature StSanta ...
do you need glasses yet (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Eagler
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ROFL eagler,
Has anyone seen the prievew to Perl Harbor
THAT LOOKS COOL!
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ROFL! eagler (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Oh man, coke on screen again. This community is a monitor killer.
Already got glasses (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
Quote is about SKYDIVING, you sick perverted twisted minded right wing gun toting opressive capitalistic nutter! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
You LIVE to PULL the RIPCORD, and you PULL the RIPCORD to LIVE to do it AGAIN!
And, for your information, regarding your comment, it is hard to pull something even two large hands cannot really wrap around (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Glasses, LOL!
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Baron Claus "StSanta" Von Ribbentroppen
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
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"Live to pull, pull to live"
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'to pull' is a British colloquialism for having some sort of non-platonic interaction with someone of the opposite sex,
i.e. you pull a bird = pick up a woman
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is it a love story?
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From what I've read in books and seen on the History Channel it's a story about Stalingrad. IRL two Russian snipers were in love and taking quite a few German heads. So Germany sent out it's best sniper to kill both of them. In the end the German sniper ended up dead. His love died somewhere in there and he kept fighting. The History Channel or Discovery Channel had a short snippet about the battle for Stalingrad a while back. It included an interview with the man, which was a bit short but still good. I just find Ed Harris with no German accent playing a German drop-dead funny!
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I'm gonna go out there and remove one of His creations from this universe.
And when I get back I'm gonna drink a bottle of Scotch like it was Chiggy von
Richthofen's blood and celebrate his death."
Col. McQueen, Space: Above and Beyond
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I just saw it today. I wouldn't call it a love story... it is primarily focused on the duel of the 2 snipers, with plenty of large scale battle scenes too. There is of course a romantic subplot, but calling it a love story is an exaggeration.
BTW flakbait, Ed Harris with no German accent was no more ridiculous than a bunch of Russians with British accents. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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I just saw it and I think it kicks ass. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif) The He-111 scene was great and the diving 87s added a nice touch. I would recommend seeing it.
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not 111s... 88s.
If you read Antony Beevor's Stalingrad, you'll see that he discredits the 'true story' that the movie is based on.
Good - not great.
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I just got back from seeing it. I really liked it. Good story, whether it is true or not, I'll leave that to the historians. As for the love story part of it, it didn't detract from the movie for me. I didn't like the end very much, I think it could have had a bit more of a duel aspect to it. Like Kratzer said, good, but not great. Overall though, I would recommend seeing it.
-math
and btw, Pearl Harbor looks to be something good. Whether it is accurate, I will have to take a "wait and see" attitude with it. It does look to be very entertaining, thats for sure.
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I still don't get why a man who looked to have the patience of a hundred wolves comes out of his cache "so fast"... (I will not say more, the ones who saw the movie will understand...)
I realy had the feeling the last 15 Minutes were...(Baclees in french, errr....)"Quicly overdone"...
Saw
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whoever said 'good, not great' really sums it up.
nice battle screens and setting. the stuka scenes kicked bellybutton and the bombers were nice too.
too much of the story was ridiculous and unnecessary. slightly cracked a smile to at least see the russians finally get some credit for wwii - rachael whatever is boring and not woody material by any stretch (pardon the pun). the love story thing really drags down an otherwise at least solidly mediocre plot.
the outcome was obvious from the get go but all in all the battle scenes save it and make it worth watching.
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Originally posted by mrfish:
solidly mediocre
ROFL!
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Hmm, will have to buy this movie, or even go to the cinema to watch it... Wonder if "pirates" will make a DivX CD, I don't have a VCR at home.
Interesting review:
http://www.mosin-nagant.net/Enemy-Gates.html (http://www.mosin-nagant.net/Enemy-Gates.html)
Funny that they couln't get Soviet M91/30 rifles. In Western Caucasus I saw hunters use Civil war times three-line rifles they dug from the ground after 70 years, and millions of them are still in stock.
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Pavel Pavlov,
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Saw it this weekend and well....It was OK.
Not great not bad but OK.
I really had to laugh every time the Russian sniper would speak in a British accent.
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Saw it last night. I enjoyed it. I dont know about people calling it a love story. Its a sniper story. Notice they never mentioned that the germans were encircled?
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Actually Pongo, at that point in the battle in which the story takes place (fall of '42), the Germans were not encircled.
The encirclement didn't take place until late November, Operation Uranus was launched on Nov. 19th, and didn't close the kessel until 4 days later. If I remember, most of the story takes place in October and early November...
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Flak/Mighty - it may shock you guys but the Russians don't speak with British accent. They speak Russian. As in not English with daft accent Hollywood normally passes for "Russian" (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif). Germans don't speak with "German accent" either - ask them if you don't believe me (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif). It's just one of the things that kills the authenticity of so many films - foreigners (as in "not native English speakers") conversing in English with some stupid accent or the other... Duh...
If the director of this movie has decided to disperse with the usual idiocy - kudos, really want to go and have a look now... But then again - they can never get the uniforms right either... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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Originally posted by Kratzer:
not 111s... 88s.
If you ask me they were clearly 111s. Even the one on the ground that had crashed was an He-111.
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Originally posted by Frosty1:
If you ask me they were clearly 111s. Even the one on the ground that had crashed was an He-111.
someone is saying those were 88's? those were cleary he-111's - although if you watch them closely, they appear to be dropping what looks like 6 thousand pounders from external stores which seems inaccurate -
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Originally posted by StSanta:
And, for your information, regarding your comment, it is hard to pull something even two large hands cannot really wrap around (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Glasses, LOL!
Yeah, did you ever try and wrap 2 hands around a cherry stem? It just ain't gonna happen (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/eek.gif) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
Udie
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ju 88s, they all had 4 1,000lb bombs on bord, the crashed one was a he 111, and the movie was neat, i would have liked to see more dogfighting though, wait there was no dogfighting, that would have been cool still very cool movie. wird seeing ed harras as a bad guy for a change
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[This message has been edited by jato757 (edited 03-19-2001).]
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I could see where either of us might be wrong - they are both low-wing, twin-engine, single tailplane bombers, but in my mind's eye, I remember 88s with the larger, rounder engine cowlings.
I do seem to remember the crashed aircraft they were crawling around in being an Heinkel though... I'll either have to see the trailer or the movie again to make up my mind now on the others.
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Hot tip: the Ju-88 (bottom) is a night fighter variant; G-7 to be exact. The top shot is an He-111 is an H3 model.
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Put the P-61B in Aces High
"With all due respect Chaplian, I don't think God wants to hear from me right now.
I'm gonna go out there and remove one of His creations from this universe.
And when I get back I'm gonna drink a bottle of Scotch like it was Chiggy von
Richthofen's blood and celebrate his death."
Col. McQueen, Space: Above and Beyond
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exactly - i know what a ju88 looks like, in fact i have 8 kills in them this tour and that was a heinkel.
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good movie, saw it Friday night..much better than "What women want" with M Gibson (wife's movie last wekend) (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Needed more sniper shot close ups and less communist propaganda crap..
Can any of you history buffs say if it accurately portrayed the Russian incentive for battle (mowing down their own troops)? Seemed a bit exaggerated..
Give it a 7 overall Rip.
Eagler
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Originally posted by Eagler:
Can any of you history buffs say if it accurately portrayed the Russian incentive for battle (mowing down their own troops)? Seemed a bit exaggerated..
Unfortunately, it wasn't exaggerated. It was SOP at Stalingrad (I won't include other areas, because Stalingrad is the one I have read about, but I suspect it was more widespread than just at that battlefield) to set up a line behind the front line with NKVD troops to shoot anyone who retreated or wasn't agressive enough.
The numbers of Soviet troops killed by the NKVD and their own officer corps was completely astounding and sickening, and probably only shadowed by the brutality against enemy prisoners by both sides in that conflict. I've heard recently that they have been able to for the first time estimate the number of Soviet troops killed at Stalingrad in the Fall/Winter of 42/43 (by all means) in a semi-accurate manner, and that the number is over 1 million.
Even more amazing was the NKVD execution of Soviet troops who escaped German captivity and returned to their lines after being captured in the summer offensives of 41/42. After all, if they weren't German conspirators or traitors to the motherland, they wouldn't have surrendered in the first place, right?
It all seems made up it is so horrible, but some really awful stuff is true.
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If you are interested, I can't recommend Antony Beevor's Stalingrad: The Fateful Seige 1942-1943 enough.
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Eagler, the genocide by their own troops is true enough, but I'm sure Boroda will be on soon enough to spew propoganda to the opposite belief... (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
Thks for the rating, think I'll go see it.
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Rip you're talking about horrors of what was happening to people with less then respectful attitude - shame on you (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif).
NKVD (what's become KGB later) troops weren't normally stationed behind combat troops - that's propaganda. They were, however stationed behind units formed from ex-prisoners coming from labour camps. Those had no other option but to go forward (often unarmed!!!) and "wash away their sins with blood" or die form either German bullet in the face or NKVD bullet in the back.
Every single combat unit had it's own "commissar" - a political officer. Those could report anyone they suspected in covardice or non-loyalty or basically whatever they felt like to NKVD with well known consequences. It's well known fact that many Soviet soldiers feared NKVD more then Germans - Germans wouldn't go after their families after they were killed - NKVD would...
The astounding success fo German army in 1941 could be contributed largely to the fact that after Stalin's purges in late 30s the Red Army was literally left with no command staff. And those who survived were looking over their shoulders all the time.
As for POWs - they were branded traitors and even if they escaped and made it across the front line they were sent to the camps (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif). One of the most spectacular escapes was when 11 POWs flew away from Pennemunde (V1/V2 test site) on a radar equipped He111. The plane was shot down by Russian AA, ditched with all escapees surviving only to be sent to the dreaded camps. The pilot - A. Devyatayev - was released from the camp after Stalin's death and named a hero...
On the other hand, America's own treatment of it's own citizens in the same period was less then exemplary - internment camps during the war and witch hunts after the war - weeding out misterious Commie agents... Something about casting the stone when without sin springs to mind...
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Aw geeeeeeeeez, can we live without the "Smiley police" for a day or two please ???!
Back on the subject : I love it Staga (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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ugh... my mother, of all people, is reading my copy of Antony Beevor's Stalingrad... If she would hurry up and give it back to me, I'd find info about the '2nd line', which DID exist.
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THis movie was about a sniper duel. I say you had to have a sniper's mentality to watch it. I think if they cut it down to 45 minutes it would have been a great flick.
I don't need to see a closeup of a guy's face for 2 minutes, followed by a slow panning scene, followed by the same guy's face for another 2 minutes. What a bore.
They tried to make some of the scenes suspenseful, but they fell way off the mark. These things just were one boring scene after another, then a few seconds of action as the bombers flew over. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/frown.gif)
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Midnight
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"...it's better to have a gun and not need it, than to need a gun and not have it." -Christian Slater True Romance
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Finally got out to see this one. First half, very enjoyable & the makings of a fine movie...second half, a steaming heap of excrement that ruined it. And the ending? Why would the Russian sniper come out into the open to kill the German one? Doesn't that kind of go against the idea of being a sniper. And when he was standing there, and his coat flapped in the wind, I almost expected him to throw down his rifle, so he could out-draw him with his pistelaro while Spaghetti Western music played in the background.
I laughed, I cried, I vomited. I give it two thumbs down and a swift kick in the ass! (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
SOB
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Lol SOB !
I asked myself in the 1st place why did the German one come out ?
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THat must be how it really happend. Its historical right?
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No. Historically both snipers were well hidden (and they were hunting each other).
The Russian sniper was scanning the remains of a building when he saw a flash of light aimed at it and saw the scope of the german sniper, which was swiveling towards him.
I dont know if the bullet went through the german sniper's scope and into his head (highly doubtful), but the Russian did plink the german sniper.
And both were VERY well hidden.
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Historically, this 'true' story didn't happen.
Read Stalingrad.