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After 35 years, TV thief released
Raleigh News & Observer
RALEIGH, N.C. - Junior Allen, who spent 35 years in North Carolina prisons for stealing a $140 television, walked out of prison Friday a free man.
Allen, 65, will live with relatives in Georgia.
He was paroled on his 26th try after getting a life sentence in 1970 for second-degree burglary. Georgia authorities will supervise Allen's parole, which could last up to five years.
If Allen follows all laws, keeps a job and reports periodically to his parole officer there, he'll gain complete freedom by age 70.
Under an old law, the late Judge Pou Bailey sentenced Allen to life in prison for sneaking into an unlocked house and stealing a 19-inch black-and-white Motorola TV. Allen, a migrant farm worker, was 30.
The harshest punishment the offense could draw now is about three years in prison
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:eek:
He would not have spent more than maybe 30 days here for a second second offence of this caliber I think, as long as nobody was hurt and the house was unlocked.
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Originally posted by Nilsen
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He would not have spent more than maybe 30 days here for a second second offence of this caliber I think, as long as nobody was hurt and the house was unlocked.
That's screwed up. Thieves suck. If they aren't caught in the act and shot dead, they deserve hard time and lots of it.
culero
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I always wondered when that kid that befriended Derrik Vinyard in prison got out of jail.
Context-In some Middle Eastern countries he would have lost either a hand or both hands as a sentence for theft. Which would you take?
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35 years ago I think 140 bucks would be grand theft and... there is the little matter of "sneaking into" someones house....
I believe that is called burglary in some places.
Anyone who has been burgled probly thinks 35 years in prison is about right.
course.. the guy was probly just trying to help his family who were starving for "I love Lucy".
lazs
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Then there's what some call "the REST of the story" (posted by a buddy somewhere else):
With a history of violent assaults and burglary, he was convicted of
burglarizing an occupied house. A house occupied by an 87 year old woman.
That he roughed up.
Although he was not "convicted" of assault, the article doesn't say if he
was "convicted" of anything or if he plead guilty and the assault was
dropped as part of a plea bargain.
Considering the assault took place during the commission of a felony
burglary and the victim was 87 years old, the assault could very likely have
been a higher ranking charge than the burglary. It is likely he plead
guilty to the burglary in hopes that the sentencing judge would be lenient,
but the judge gave him the max on review of the case.
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With the question being "If it was YOUR 87 year old grandma he victimized, would you still think 30 days was an appropriate sentence?"
culero
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what??? burglary and assault and a history of crime???
No way man... he was just "sneaking into a house" probly a fraternaty pledge prank!
So he had a tiny little history of other minor assaults and violent crime..
Ask his victim... er.. people he played pranks on.. I bet they all feel real bad that he went to jail.
lazs
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Lol, that went as planned... poor liberal news post.
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Originally posted by lazs2
35 years ago I think 140 bucks would be grand theft and... there is the little matter of "sneaking into" someones house....
I believe that is called burglary in some places.
Anyone who has been burgled probly thinks 35 years in prison is about right.
course.. the guy was probly just trying to help his family who were starving for "I love Lucy".
lazs
wow ..i agree with lazs2:eek:
I have been robbed 2 times and the problem with home invaders is that they usually bring a weapon, just in case they are interrupted.. which usuaally results in one of those 'murder, house set ablaze situations.' Lock em up and throw away the key. The liberals and conservatives can wrestle over who foots the bill.
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35 years for it is a little unfair. I am glad to see him out, and if it was up to me he would of been out alot sooner. Where humans we all do stupid things. Im sure everybody on this board has stolen something from somebody. Just image if you got 35 years for that.
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He unlawfully entered someone's home, how many times does this happen and he is discovered in the house and something goes wrong, like the owner ending up dead? They should give the same sentence to identity thieves.
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Originally posted by jetb123
35 years for it is a little unfair. I am glad to see him out, and if it was up to me he would of been out alot sooner. Where humans we all do stupid things. Im sure everybody on this board has stolen something from somebody. Just image if you got 35 years for that.
So you think its OK that he committed a crime during which he roughed up an 87 year old woman and he is still allowed to breathe air? (much less get out of jail before his sentence is up) Keep in mind he had a record of violent crime before this, and while he was in prison was written up over 50 times, many of those times involving violence.
You need to think about context. This isn't about simply stealing a $140 TV. Judges are allowed sentencing discretion within minimum and maximum. There IS such a thing in this world as "bad people", and that's why we have maximum sentences and hard time.
culero
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Originally posted by jetb123
35 years for it is a little unfair. I am glad to see him out, and if it was up to me he would of been out alot sooner. Where humans we all do stupid things. Im sure everybody on this board has stolen something from somebody. Just image if you got 35 years for that.
A bit presumptious of you, don't you think?
Just because you stole something (the term "everybody" obviously includes you as well), does not mean that the rest of us think that theft is just " stupid thing to do".
An assault on a 87 year old warrants more than 35 years. Besides, looks like he got an award for the "lifetime of accomplishments", not just for this crime.
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did you guys miss the part about him having a history of violent assaults and burglary?
"sneaking" into someones home.... like it was a prank or something? perhaps the 67 year old woman he beat up should get 35 years for being such a spoil sport?
lazs
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Why is it that the libs always feel a lot of compasion towards the perp, but never towards the victims and their families.
Remember the Menendez brothers? They blew away both their parents with a shotgun at close range, and their defense attorney was asking for leniency in sentencing because.... "they are orphans". How sick is that?
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All I got to say put yourself in his shoes. Just because the news says what he does. That makes it true? Sometimes the news lies. 35 years sheesh the mans life is basicly gone. Hes old, cant harm anybody. Just let him die a normall deft. Did that lady he ruffed up die? He got free, so what no big deal. Let the man be, and live on with your life.
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Originally posted by jetb123
All I got to say put yourself in his shoes. Just because the news says what he does. That makes it true? Sometimes the news lies. 35 years sheesh the mans life is basicly gone. Hes old, cant harm anybody. Just let him die a normall deft. Did that lady he ruffed up die? He got free, so what no big deal. Let the man be, and live on with your life.
I refuse to. He is a vicious criminal and I'm not. Why should I put myself in his shoes? His fate has not happened to him, he has earned what he got. I feel no compasion whatsoever.
You say he can't harm anyone? On what are you basing this statement? Remember Larry Singleton? 20 or so years ago he kidnapped a young girl, raped her, hacked off her both arms with an axe and left her in a desert to die. She survived, he was put in prison. Do not remember what his sentence was, but eventually they let him go. He was in his sixties and "presented no danger anymore". Guess what, he moved to FLorida and within a year he raped and killed a couple of women.
"Let the man be" you say. Are you willing to personally take a responsibility fro all his potential future crimes?
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YEAH but all this guy did was STEAL a TV and supposly hit a women. All the people you compair him with are serail killers, and rapist. This guy has not done anything close to that. Most he would get for what he did now is 3 years, and probally wouldnt serve all the time if he had good behavior. He got 35 years for stealing a TV and hitting a lady. Hes out now, you can do a darn thing about it. So why start a thread and cry and complain. Your an adult I would think? You act like a kid that i see sometimes at my school. I really think this thead should be closed, the O' club should be name the Bitc*ing club.....
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Originally posted by jetb123
All I got to say put yourself in his shoes..
Um, OK, so I go into your house, rob a 87 year old lady and rough her up. Then steal some chit.
Pleaze. They should have just ran a Russian prison Makarov SA/DA jury. Pow, done.
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YEAH but all this guy did was STEAL a TV and supposly hit a women.
I'd like to smash your moms face, and steal your computer monitor.
Get it?
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Originally posted by lazs2
Ask his victim... er.. people he played pranks on.. I bet they all feel real bad that he went to jail.
lazs
http://www.wral.com/news/2662960/detail.html
As for the woman who owned the television set, she was in her 80s at the time of the crime and passed away in 1977. Several of her relatives contacted us about this story and said Allen has paid for his crime. They insist the reason he got such a harsh sentence was because he fought with the victim -- a crime for which Allen was never charged.
http://www.wral.com/news/2669296/detail.html
I've told you and everybody else that I think he had served his time for what he did. But I think it's a mean person that would assault an 85, 86 year-old-lady," said Sandra Thornton, Johnson's granddaughter.
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Originally posted by culero
So you think its OK that he committed a crime during which he roughed up an 87 year old woman and he is still allowed to breathe air? (much less get out of jail before his sentence is up) Keep in mind he had a record of violent crime before this, and while he was in prison was written up over 50 times, many of those times involving violence.
You need to think about context. This isn't about simply stealing a $140 TV. Judges are allowed sentencing discretion within minimum and maximum. There IS such a thing in this world as "bad people", and that's why we have maximum sentences and hard time.
culero
http://www.wral.com/news/2669296/detail.html
The state said Allen's behavior is one of the reasons he is still incarcerated. In 33 years, he has committed 62 infractions -- about average for a maximum security inmate. All but eight are considered moderate by the Department of Correction.
"Disobeying an order, gambling. If you're asking me whether I think this shows that he's dangerous to the public, the answer's clearly no," attorney Rich Rosen said.
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Originally posted by jetb123
YEAH but all this guy did was STEAL a TV and supposly hit a women. All the people you compair him with are serail killers, and rapist. This guy has not done anything close to that. Most he would get for what he did now is 3 years, and probally wouldnt serve all the time if he had good behavior. He got 35 years for stealing a TV and hitting a lady. Hes out now, you can do a darn thing about it. So why start a thread and cry and complain. Your an adult I would think? You act like a kid that i see sometimes at my school. I really think this thead should be closed, the O' club should be name the Bitc*ing club.....
No one here (with the possible exception of a few idiots) is complaining because he's out AFTER 35 years. The deal is, some are complaining that he GOT 35 years.
Since we KNOW he broke into a house (you don't have to damage anything, you merely have to BREAK the plane of the perimeter of the house, like breaking the plane of the goal line for a touchdown), and we KNOW at one time he was charged with assaulting an 87 YEAR OLD WOMAN, we know 35 years was a reasonable sentence. If he's attacked an 87 year old woman, who knows what other atrocities he'd have committed had he been released at the age of 33, on "good behavior". Don't know much about CRIMINALS, do you? ALL he did was break into a house, steal something, and likely assault an elderly woman? If he broke into YOUR grandmother's house, stole her television, and beat the crap out of her, what exactly would you propose we do with him? Would a slap on the wrist and 3 years in the local "recreational vacation facility for the criminal element" be enough?
By the way, it's COMPARE, SERIAL, PROBABLY, and SUPPOSEDLY.
Perhaps you should pay more attention in school.
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Originally posted by Creamo
I'd like to smash your moms face, and steal your computer monitor.
Get it?
One that wouldnt happen im sure you would be met by my dads friendly 12 gauge shoty. :D
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Guns? I won't rob you. Peace.
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Bangs gavel down. Bang, band, bang, 35 years or 35 pellets of no. 4 buckshot.:D
Les
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Originally posted by jetb123
One that wouldnt happen im sure you would be met by my dads friendly 12 gauge shoty. :D
Oh, I get it. A penalty for an assault on your Mom and theft of your monitor is death, but if this is someone else's granma, you propose... "Let the man be, and live on with your life"?
Curiouser and curiouser :)
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No im saying. Why whine about his relase? He served his time, so why make all the fuss? Hes not going back to jail for that crime he commited. I never said what he did was right or wrong, I will leave that up to you. I just dont see what this thread
will do. Its not going to make him go back in jail. To me it seems as a 100% whine thread. He did the crime, he did the time. Now let him be....
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Originally posted by rpm
After 35 years, TV thief released
Raleigh News & Observer
RALEIGH, N.C. - Junior Allen, who spent 35 years in North Carolina prisons for stealing a $140 television, walked out of prison Friday a free man.
Allen, 65, will live with relatives in Georgia.
He was paroled on his 26th try after getting a life sentence in 1970 for second-degree burglary. Georgia authorities will supervise Allen's parole, which could last up to five years.
If Allen follows all laws, keeps a job and reports periodically to his parole officer there, he'll gain complete freedom by age 70.
Under an old law, the late Judge Pou Bailey sentenced Allen to life in prison for sneaking into an unlocked house and stealing a 19-inch black-and-white Motorola TV. Allen, a migrant farm worker, was 30.
The harshest punishment the offense could draw now is about three years in prison
Southern Justice at its finest. Would be interesting to see what a white person was sentenced to in comparison. I'm willing to bet that a white man 35 years ago in North Carolina didn't receive a sentence like that for burglary.
ack-ack
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Why don't you get in a time machine and go back and find out Ack Ack?
Les
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Southern Justice at its finest. Would be interesting to see what a white person was sentenced to in comparison. I'm willing to bet that a white man 35 years ago in North Carolina didn't receive a sentence like that for burglary.
ack-ack
Hmmmm....bigotry works both ways, yanno. Why would you assume the judge didn't have good reasons for applying the maximum in this case?
culero
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Southern Justice at its finest. Would be interesting to see what a white person was sentenced to in comparison. I'm willing to bet that a white man 35 years ago in North Carolina didn't receive a sentence like that for burglary.
ack-ack
How could you of explained that best? I agree with you 100% Akak. Its sad, but I think its true.
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I think Southerners get along better with Blacks than Yankees do. Hell, Yankees don't get along with anyone and are a heck of a lot dumber than most people give 'em credit for.:)
They're actually stupid in many ways, not polite with people and act superior. And their Yankee dollars are not worth all that much these days.
Jetb123 this world would be better in the long haul if the South had won the Civil War. There would be justice for both you and me. It would be a paradise for Blacks and Whites.
Well as we know the South lost, and there ain't much can be done about that. Thank the Yankees for that, and for the ensuing misery that has followed for the last 130 years.
You know, I feel strongly about the way things turned out too, and I think it would have been better for everyone if Southern culture was the predominate culture in America (that includes you too.)
Les
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35 sounds about right.
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Rpm, maybe he got a rough deal or maybe he didnt, but it seems that your initial post left out some important details. FWIW, whats done is done and I hope that the olfd guy makes the besat of his new freedom.
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
Southern Justice at its finest. Would be interesting to see what a white person was sentenced to in comparison. I'm willing to bet that a white man 35 years ago in North Carolina didn't receive a sentence like that for burglary.
ack-ack
We have a winner!
Grun, that was the entire story the Houston Chronicle ran online. I did'nt cut anything out. After hearing about the assault, he did deserve a hard sentence. 35 years still sounds harsh considering that killers and Enron Exec's get less.
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Originally posted by Leslie
I think Southerners get along better with Blacks than Yankees do. Hell, Yankees don't get along with anyone and are a heck of a lot dumber than most people give 'em credit for.:)
They're actually stupid in many ways, not polite with people and act superior. And their Yankee dollars are not worth all that much these days.
Jetb123 this world would be better in the long haul if the South had won the Civil War. There would be justice for both you and me. It would be a paradise for Blacks and Whites.
Well as we know the South lost, and there ain't much can be done about that. Thank the Yankees for that, and for the ensuing misery that has followed for the last 130 years.
You know, I feel strongly about the way things turned out too, and I think it would have been better for everyone if Southern culture was the predominate culture in America (that includes you too.)
Les
Preach on!
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Originally posted by Leslie
I think Southerners get along better with Blacks than Yankees do. Hell, Yankees don't get along with anyone and are a heck of a lot dumber than most people give 'em credit for.:)
They're actually stupid in many ways, not polite with people and act superior. And their Yankee dollars are not worth all that much these days.
Jetb123 this world would be better in the long haul if the South had won the Civil War. There would be justice for both you and me. It would be a paradise for Blacks and Whites.
Well as we know the South lost, and there ain't much can be done about that. Thank the Yankees for that, and for the ensuing misery that has followed for the last 130 years.
You know, I feel strongly about the way things turned out too, and I think it would have been better for everyone if Southern culture was the predominate culture in America (that includes you too.)
Les
And people in the South wonder why everyone thinks we are stupid down here. Sheesh. maybe your last 130 years haven't been that good but mine have. If it werent for the North we would still be in the agricultural age. I also think its hilarious that you believe it would be better for blacks if the south had won.
I lived in the north and south and both have their share of idiots. How many times have you actually been out of Alabama? Ever been North of the mason dixon line? lol
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yep... 35 years sounds about right.
jetb... I can't belive your dad would shoot a harmless prankster who needed your computer to teach his kids and.... your mom should be incarcerated for even thinking of struggling with him.
and... I think the U.S. would be better off with southern manners and speech patterns than with abrupt rudeness and ******* braying that passes for manners and speech in the north.
lazs
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Why don't you just shoot them instead of locking them up for 35 years? He's done anyway, and bullets are cheap.
I'm totally serious. He's not going to be a productive member of society after 35 years in prison.
Rehabilitate or eliminate.
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Originally posted by mora
Why don't you just shoot them instead of locking them up for 35 years? He's done anyway, and bullets are cheap.
I'm totally serious. He's not going to be a productive member of society after 35 years in prison.
Rehabilitate or eliminate.
Because we are a compassonate society, and the death penalty is only used for really, REALLY bad people.
Tell me Mora, since Finland doesn't have capital punishment, where do you draw the line where a prisoner is locked up for life? After 10 years? 20? "Rehabilite or eliminate." indeed, hyppocrite.
What that article doesn't tell you is that a convicted's complete criminal history is available to a parole board, plus thier conduct as a prisoner. Obviously for this guy to be denied parole 26 times there was something that parole board saw that made them feel this guy was not rehabilitated and was still a danger to society.
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Originally posted by rpm
35 years still sounds harsh considering that killers and Enron Exec's get less.
He did not get too harsh of a sentence. Killers and Enron execs did not get enough.
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Airhead, I don't care what is done to the criminals, as long as their activity in minimized and the cost associated with their crimes.
That guy wouldn't probably have gotten a suspended sentence here... Of course it's ridiculous but according to crime statistics and personal experience, crimes like that are pretty rare, and that's all I care. I wouldn't mind if they would hack their hands off either, or kill them. I'm not compassionate to criminals.
If I had to draw a line somewhere...something like 10-15 years would be the maximum sentence for any crime. After that they would walk or would have gotten the death penalty in the first place.
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Most folks, especially those who have never dealt with the criminal mindset and activities, tend to think in a static frame of mind. Most of the hemorhoids who prey on society do so in an escalating manner. They start out with smaller offenses and ramp upwards in scale and hazard. Thinking that a day time burglary (actually strong arm robbery according to the description) with a physical assault on a rather helpless kind of individual is just about one step below burglary with a weapon then homicide. This is not a nice person, he didn't care that the victim was hurt and likely picked her for her actual vulnerability. It fits the habit of a coward, pick a victim that cannot fight back and actually hurt you.
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yep.. mav knows what he is talking about. This guy had a history of crime and violence... under current three strikes laws this is exactly the kind of guy that would get 30 years.
mora.. I don't care what it costs to keep em off the street. How much does it cost when they do 1500 bucks worth of damage to a car in order to sell your stereo for $10 to buy drugs? How many of those $1500 destructive thefts do they have to do to support their habit?
lazs
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Originally posted by mora
I'm totally serious. He's not going to be a productive member of society after 35 years in prison.
Lets give them a chance for weekend vacations from prison, like we do :D
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we got a criminal behind bars for a good long time and he got a nice color tv to watch during that time ...
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$140 seems like a small sum but 35 years ago it was worth a lot more.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
$140 seems like a small sum but 35 years ago it was worth a lot more.
a billion $ nowadays is alooot more, but its good if they get even 10 years.
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Originally posted by Fishu
Lets give them a chance for weekend vacations from prison, like we do :D
Massachusetts tried that, and Willie Horten ruined it for 'em.