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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Gunslinger on May 29, 2005, 08:17:56 PM
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Yet another example of how it's ok to be racist as long as your not white. If this were a black man or if the group was the "National Association of White Social Worker" the NAACP and ACLU would be all over this.
KGET-TV in California reports that a white social worker who wanted to attend a meeting of the National Association of Black Social Workers was told he was not welcome because of his skin pigment.
Bakersfield, Calif., social worker Brain Parnell wanted to attend the New Orleans meeting along with five of his colleagues because he often works with minority children. When he tried to enter, however, he was turned away.
"I approached the registration table and was greeted by a very friendly fellow who looked me in the eye and said, 'Are you black?'" said Parnell. "I told him that I'm not and he told me that the conference was only for people who were black and so I wasn't able to register to attend the conference."
"I was shocked," said Parnell. "I was surprised that in 2005, I could be singled out because of the color of my skin."
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http://www.kget.com/news/local/story.aspx?content_id=89FECCFB-0323-4F0A-A7F2-CC44CE18A780
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on an unrelated note, is there a Mod to dress up the character in GTA SA in klan garb?
I thin that'd be so fucming funy
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New Orleans can be a dangerous place. Haven't been there in 15 years, and I live 2 hours away. Too many dangerous parts of town to blunder into. Don't go there if you don't know your way around.
Les
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
Yet another example of how it's ok to be racist as long as your not white.
Thats why they are called minorities.
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Originally posted by Raider179
Thats why they are called minorities.
so white people don't have or don't deserve to have civil rights?
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
so white people don't have or don't deserve to have civil rights?
We shall overrr coome sommmme day ay ay ay ay!
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Only in this day and age can Blacky tell Whitey that Whitey can't join Blaky's club.
And of course, it is ALL GOOD AND FINE.
Discrimination is obviously only if WHITEY does something to BLACKY.
If I were white I would do something about this. As it is, it doesn't seem to matter too much. I mean, come on, a little discremantion the other way doesn't matter much does it?
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I'm not a racist. Some of my best friends are white.
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black, white, same piece of **** to me.
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Originally posted by Drunky
Only in this day and age can Blacky tell Whitey that Whitey can't join Blaky's club.
And of course, it is ALL GOOD AND FINE.
Discrimination is obviously only if WHITEY does something to BLACKY.
If I were white I would do something about this. As it is, it doesn't seem to matter too much. I mean, come on, a little discremantion the other way doesn't matter much does it?
no it's not OK. I've heard all my life about the civil rights movement and how whity is evil and trying to keep minorities poor and how white people are so bad then I read this. It infuriates me.
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Gunslinger,
Try being white born in Africa and have a black coworker file an HR complaint because you call your self a White African American. To make matters worse you ask him where he was born. He says Oakland CA. I tell him where I was born. Africa.
He says it dosent matter where I was born because I'm white, and calling myself African American is racism. On a lighter note, this is the same moron who has had 3 motorcycles stolen from his garage by young black males in 6 months. So now he thinks he needs to move to a white gated neigborhood.
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Originally posted by bustr
Gunslinger,
Try being white born in Africa and have a black coworker file an HR complaint because you call your self a White African American. To make matters worse you ask him where he was born. He says Oakland CA. I tell him where I was born. Africa.
He says it dosent matter where I was born because I'm white, and calling myself African American is racism. On a lighter note, this is the same moron who has had 3 motorcycles stolen from his garage by young black males in 6 months. So now he thinks he needs to move to a white gated neigborhood.
yup that's an even better example.
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A white gated neighborhood consists of the Marine who lives down the street who ain't fraid of *****s.:D
Les
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Les,
My O'l man was born on Sand Mountain in the 30's. Started picking cotton when he could walk. At 16 he walked off the Mountain and joined the Army Airforce.
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Heh, Now you know how it feels... One side of me is saying that, and then another is telling me its not right.:confused:
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Originally posted by midnight Target
We shall overrr coome sommmme day ay ay ay ay!
MT so if somebody told your black kids that they couldnt participate in an carrer oriented event because they were black you would make jokes of it?
Serious, what if your fasion designer son wasnt allowed to display his designs show because he was black?
That would be funny, right?
Or maybe what if you werent allowed to attewnd one of his shows because it was only a show for black designers and black audiences?
That would be funny stuff too, correct?
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Hi Bustr. You da man!!!
:)
Les
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Time for cleansing! :rofl
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Yeah, and that's probably the way it really will be..:D
Les
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
so white people don't have or don't deserve to have civil rights?
Ever heard of the KKK? I hear they take their civil rights pretty seriously. No reason you cant.
edit: though since this group he tried to join is non-profit and tax exempt they shouldnt be allowed to exclude him.
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Being French is worse than being black.
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Originally posted by Raider179
Ever heard of the KKK? I hear they take their civil rights pretty seriously. No reason you cant.
edit: though since this group he tried to join is non-profit and tax exempt they shouldnt be allowed to exclude him.
Why not? If its a private organization, and they dont get federal tax dollars to help them out, they can exclude anyone they want to. Its perfectly legal, and I dont see why anyone should be allowed to force their way in. Thats like me and some buddies buying a cabin, putting in a bar and stocking it with our own money, and inviting friends for weekend parties on the lake in our private cabin. Some freak who lives nearby gets PO'd because he isnt invited to the parties, and sues us to allow him in because he's excluded. Now is that right? You say its a racism issue, I say its a privacy issue.
Sounds like the crybaby that couldnt get in needs a trip in the Whaaaaambulance to me.
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
Why not? If its a private organization, and they dont get federal tax dollars to help them out, they can exclude anyone they want to. Its perfectly legal, and I dont see why anyone should be allowed to force their way in. Thats like me and some buddies buying a cabin, putting in a bar and stocking it with our own money, and inviting friends for weekend parties on the lake in our private cabin. Some freak who lives nearby gets PO'd because he isnt invited to the parties, and sues us to allow him in because he's excluded. Now is that right? You say its a racism issue, I say its a privacy issue.
Sounds like the crybaby that couldnt get in needs a trip in the Whaaaaambulance to me.
Like i said they enjoy "tax-exempt" status. That is plenty of reason as to why they shouldnt be allowed to discriminate. Private clubs yes they can do as they like regarding membership. But not organizations that are allowed to operate without paying taxes on expenditures. Thats like say The rest of America should pay their taxes so they can exclude people. Thats not how it works.
In one of the other threads I pointed out this same problem with some faith-based initiative programs. Some of those programs won't hire people based on their sex,religion, and race.
Federal Funding is the same as tax-exempt status to me. (as a tax-payer)
The example you use would be correct if you and your buddies paid no taxes on the cabin and alcohol. And I would side with the P.O'd guy since you didnt pay taxes on anything.
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I cant join a womans lingery party i feel very offended.
:rolleyes:
What a farce it is still,being black or white in the USA.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
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Blacks, whites... what's the difference?
They all seem anti-semites to me.
:lol
Bozon
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Its really simple
You cannot jugde a Man or Woman by their colour or creed.
You can only judge a Man or Woman by their actions.
There will always be tossers and they come in all colours and creeds.
The ppl who ran this presentation = Tossers
Later PPL
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I agree with raider on this one. If is is an organization using tax dollars.... there should be no discrimination.
I feel that private clubs can admit or block the admission of anyone base on any criteria they come up with including skin color is they are so inclined.
mt obviously feels that the route to racial equality is to give everyone different ritghts and that turmoil and rioting is a good thing. I don't forsee White riots over simple things like this (black riots would be expected) but... mt seems to feel that the risk is laughable. That giving white supremist groups ammo is no big deal.
lazs
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
I cant join a womans lingery party i feel very offended.
:rolleyes:
What a farce it is still,being black or white in the USA.
:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
How do you know? Do you live here? Or are you judging us through your Amerihater glasses?
If you don't know WTF you're talking about then you really should just STFU rather than offer an ignorant, negative comment.
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I'm not white....I'm beige.:D
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Ahhh sorry. Missed the "tax-exempt" part. Yeah, if they enjoy special privileges from the govt. for their little get togethers, then they have no say in who gets in or doesnt. They are subject to federal anti-discrimination policy. My apologies. My argument was for private groups who get no federal aid or assistance.
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I just look at this from a reverse perspective I guess:
If this was an "all white" group
If we had a "white pride" day
If we had a "white heritage" ralley
The NAACP would be screaming jumping up and down crying foul. The fact that they turn a blind eye when racial discrimination happens means they and other groups don't give a rats bellybutton about equality.
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
MT so if somebody told your black kids that they couldnt participate in an carrer oriented event because they were black you would make jokes of it?
Serious, what if your fasion designer son wasnt allowed to display his designs show because he was black?
That would be funny, right?
Or maybe what if you werent allowed to attewnd one of his shows because it was only a show for black designers and black audiences?
That would be funny stuff too, correct?
Not half as funny as all the persecuted white men in this thread.
I hope that someday they can reach the mountaintop and look over to the promised land... amen brother grun.
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Ebony And Ivory
by Sir Paul McCartney & Stevie Wonder
Ebony and Ivory
Live together in perfect harmony
Side by side on my piano keyboard
Oh Lord, why don't we ?
We all know that people are the same
wherever you go
There's good and bad in everyone
We learn to live, we learn to give each other
What we need to survive
Together alive
Ebony and Ivory
Live together in perfect harmony
Side by side on my piano keyboard
Oh Lord, why don't we ?
Ebony, Ivory, living in perfect harmony
Ebony, Ivory, ooh
We all know that people are the same
wherever you go
There's good and bad in everyone
We learn to live, we learn to give each other
What we need to survive
Together alive
Ebony and Ivory
Live together in perfect harmony
Side by side on my piano keyboard
Oh Lord, why don't we ?
Side by side on my piano keyboard
Oh Lord, why don't we ?
Ebony, Ivory, living in perfect harmony
Ebony, Ivory, living in perfect harmony
Ebony, Ivory, living in perfect harmony...
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Not half as funny as all the persecuted white men in this thread.
I hope that someday they can reach the mountaintop and look over to the promised land... amen brother grun.
tsk tsk, typical hypocrite
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
I just look at this from a reverse perspective I guess:
If this was an "all white" group
If we had a "white pride" day
If we had a "white heritage" ralley
The NAACP would be screaming jumping up and down crying foul. The fact that they turn a blind eye when racial discrimination happens means they and other groups don't give a rats bellybutton about equality.
If they really cared about equality, why would we have affirmative action? And why would the NAACP support it?
Answers: They dont, and they do. Because it's in their best interests to do so. If they thought true equality was in their best interest, they would support it. Legal equality was just a springboard. One they can try to use to pass everyone else by. If any of us on either side of the issue truly want "equality", then changes have to be made to the system that exists now.
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Paul McCartny and Stevie Wonder are great singers and musicians. But people aren't the same everywhere, and maybe that's a good thing.
The media and lawyers want it to be called racism, because that's something to write about. Money for everyone except the good that this group might be doing. If they're up to no good, go after 'em. Otherwise, people are tired of all this false racism calling.
I find this whole "lawsuit for discrimination" business very distastful. And no, I don't see it as racism, cause it's not. If it was a country club that excluded based on race, that would be racism. Not renting an apartment based on race is racism. Not renewing home owners insurance is racism. (That happened to me one time almost. My insurance agent is black and lives in Atlanta. I live in a partly black neighborhood . They were purging insurance for homes in this area. Or at least it sure seemed like that Their reason was stated as such, they were no longer insuring homes on that street Was in the middle of painting the house and that worked out ok for me)
But this group seems like a community based, non-profit, tax-exempt organization to put the money and resources where it's needed. Why sue 'em?
Les
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Originally posted by Leslie
The media and lawyers want it to be called racism, because that's something to write about. Money for everyone except the good that this group might be doing. If they're up to no good, go after 'em. Otherwise, people are tired of all this false racism calling.
But this group seems like a community based, non-profit, tax-exempt organization to put the money and resources where it's needed. Why sue 'em?
Les
How is this not racism. This is a group that says a man cannot enter because of the color of his skin????? you say this is racism??? Why is this any different than a country club....I will answer that question for you....it's not except in your eyes because it is a black group and the victem is a white man.
you prove the point entirly that people don't think white males deserve to have the same civil rights as anyone else. The man was denied entry because of the color of his skin.....this is racial discrimination any way you paint it.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
How is this not racism. This is a group that says a man cannot enter because of the color of his skin????? you say this is racism??? Why is this any different than a country club....I will answer that question for you....it's not except in your eyes because it is a black group and the victem is a white man.
you prove the point entirly that people don't think white males deserve to have the same civil rights as anyone else. The man was denied entry because of the color of his skin.....this is racial discrimination any way you paint it.
yep it is. The only reason it shouldnt be allowed is that tax-exempt status. They want to pay their own bills all the way including taxes, then they can exclude whoever they want to. That includes private country clubs as far as I am concerned.
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Fine then. Would you just allow in the oddball factor of a group from California you'd never seen before? Why didn't everyone of that visiting group leave when their buddy wasn't let in? If they were offended I'm sure they all woulda left in righteous indignation.
No Guns, I don't call it racism and I don't see how I proved any point. Are you saying my stance on this one item is how I see everything? Did I offend you, or are you venting?:)
Les
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Originally posted by Leslie
Fine then. Would you just allow in the oddball factor of a group from California you'd never seen before? Why didn't everyone of that visiting group leave when their buddy wasn't let in? If they were offended I'm sure they all woulda left in righteous indignation.
No Guns, I don't call it racism and I don't see how I proved any point. Are you saying my stance on this one item is how I see everything? Did I offend you, or are you venting?:)
Les
so why wasn't the guy let into an organization that recieves federal help via tax exempt status (not a private club mind you)???
because of the color of his skin/race
hence racial discrimination.
If a black guy wanted into an all white group that enjoyed tax exemption and they said no we don't accept black people here that would be racial discrimination just like this. You proved my point by not seeing the picture here. My point when ever I make a thread like this is to show how minorities discriminate and everyone says oh poor whity and laughs it off.
Would you laugh at a black guy trying to get on a white bus or sit in the fron, circa Georgia 1955, and told no blacks allowed?
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n : discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race [syn: racism, racialism]
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The belief that race accounts for differences in human character or ability and that a particular race is superior to others.
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n 1: the prejudice that members of one race are intrinsically superior to members of other races 2: discriminatory or abusive behavior towards members of another race [syn: racialism, racial discrimination]
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I sometimes wonder why you didn't ship all the african americans back home to africa once they started whining about political correctness.
That would've been the only fair thing to do. Correct the historic wrong of taking them away from thier homes.
:D
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But in this one news story the situation is different Guns. New Orleans is predominately Black. It is a dangerous place to go for tourists and definitely not the place to get in trouble, which is easy to do.
This is a fact and important to understand for the discussion.
If the visitors had business there, why were they not all let in? Does anyone here see my point, or is this all rubber stamping? Seems like a bigtime setup to me. Normally visiting groups give advance notice when they're planning to visit, and give all the details aforehand so there are no misunderstandings of this nature. Did they call first to arrange the visit and mention beforehand a white fellow was coming and at that point told it wouldn't be appropriate? And please don't say it doesn't make any difference. That organization has responsibility to its members and goals if all is on the up and up.
They were there for business alright. To set up a lawsuit most likely.
Les
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Originally posted by Leslie
But in this one news story the situation is different Guns. New Orleans is predominately Black. It is a dangerous place to go for tourists and definitely not the place to get in trouble, which is easy to do.
This is a fact and important to understand for the discussion.
If the visitors had business there, why were they not all let in? Does anyone here see my point, or is this all rubber stamping? Seems like a bigtime setup to me. Normally visiting groups give advance notice when they're planning to visit, and give all the details aforehand so there are no misunderstandings of this nature. Did they call first to arrange the visit and mention beforehand a white fellow was coming and at that point told it wouldn't be appropriate? And please don't say it doesn't make any difference. That organization has responsibility to its members and goals if all is on the up and up.
They were there for business alright. To set up a lawsuit most likely.
Les
It states it clearly in the article that the social worker in question went to the conference because he "works with alot of minority children" I would assume maybe he went to get more insite to his job.
Apon arriving he was told he was not allowed in because of the color of his skin.
I find the fact that New Orleans is a predominatly black area irrelevent because IMHO this could have easily happened if the conference was in Las Vegas.
If the visitors had business there, why were they not all let in?
because he was not black. Racial Discrimination!
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Not half as funny as all the persecuted white men in this thread.
I hope that someday they can reach the mountaintop and look over to the promised land... amen brother grun.
Keep up the humor MT.
Really, how would ypu react if you werent aloowed to attend one of your son's shows because it was only for blacks?
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
I sometimes wonder why you didn't ship all the african americans back home to africa once they started whining about political correctness.
That would've been the only fair thing to do. Correct the historic wrong of taking them away from thier homes.
:D
I am with ya on this one, and while we are at it lets ship the Europeans back to their homelands to. :aok
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Originally posted by BBQ_Bob
I am with ya on this one, and while we are at it lets ship the Europeans back to their homelands to. :aok
Yup and send those native americans back across the land bridge into Siberia and re-instate the WOOLY MAMMOTH! Then the MAMMOTH will rule all of North America once again! Fear the WOOLY MAMMOTH ARMY! The World will tremble at their comming and sneeze at their WOOLY hair! Bow down before your MAMMOTH masters!
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Originally posted by Leslie
But in this one news story the situation is different Guns. New Orleans is predominately Black. It is a dangerous place to go for tourists and definitely not the place to get in trouble, which is easy to do.
This is a fact and important to understand for the discussion.
I disagree. Been to New Orleans, Had a great time, met lots of wonderful people. Thats not a fact. Its no more dangerous than any other place.
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Originally posted by Raider179
I disagree. Been to New Orleans, Had a great time, met lots of wonderful people. Thats not a fact. Its no more dangerous than any other place.
Bzzzt. Not true. Great place. But that aint true.
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Originally posted by Nash
Bzzzt. Not true. Great place. But that aint true.
Really? My personal experience might have been unique then. Got some statistics to prove otherwise? UCR or something?
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My own experience leads me to believe that it wouldn't be a difficult task to refute: "Its no more dangerous than any other place" with stats. I would have a hard time imagining that I couldn't. Worth my time? No, I'll leave it to you if you're so inclined.
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Originally posted by Nash
My own experience leads me to believe that it wouldn't be a difficult task to refute: "Its no more dangerous than any other place" with stats. I would have a hard time imagining that I couldn't. Worth my time? No, I'll leave it to you if you're so inclined.
lol The whole point was this statement
But in this one news story the situation is different Guns. New Orleans is predominately Black. It is a dangerous place to go for tourists and definitely not the place to get in trouble, which is easy to do.
Dangerous for tourists. That is a vague and obscure statement. Proving it well your the one who contradicted my statement about it being safe. I have been there, have you?
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Sheet yeah I've ben there. Lots.
We had to find a new bass player there 'cause the one we had quit after crumbling after getting car-jacked (funny story, actually). But that's besides the point. Yes, I have been there. No, it isn't the same as everywhere else.
I do love it there. It is great, without question. As safe? hardly.
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I am with ya on this one, and while we are at it lets ship the Europeans back to their homelands to.
I guess you're a native American yourself, not an immigrant right? Or.. :D
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I am of Pima heritage myself, and although because we were here first, doesn't mean we were not from immigrant stock. We just got here 10,000 years before the europeans.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
I am of Pima heritage myself, and although because we were here first, doesn't mean we were not from immigrant stock. We just got here 10,000 years before the europeans.
LAND THIEFS! You stole this land from......hmmm......well..... .canadians????no that can't be it. :confused:
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Originally posted by Nash
Sheet yeah I've ben there. Lots.
We had to find a new bass player there 'cause the one we had quit after crumbling after getting car-jacked (funny story, actually). But that's besides the point. Yes, I have been there. No, it isn't the same as everywhere else.
I do love it there. It is great, without question. As safe? hardly.
Have to agree with Nash on this one. Not a place to go bar hoppin if you are new. Hear its gotten better, but the cops can be more dangerous than the crooks. And that's sayin something. Tough town.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
I hope that someday they can reach the mountaintop and look over to the promised land... amen brother grun.
btw, Moses died at that point ...
Bozon
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mt thinks fairness and equality mean completely different things when applied to people.
I tend to think that they need to mean about the same if we are to ever reach any kind of solution to the kind of biggotry that causes riots and hate.
Mt wants a form of forced fairness that is in itself unfair ie... treat some races differently than others in order to get a desired outcome.
To have a black pride day and have to pretend (yes... whites are pretending) to think it is a good thing but to go into fake shock over a white pride day.. to have black only tax supported events... These are the things that foster the racism that continues.
I find that the more of this I see the less I want to even be around any blacks. This seems to be the predominant attitude of the whites I meet who, are more critical of blacks and more likely to use the n word now than 10 years ago..
so laugh all you want mt... you are doing more for the cause of the KKK than those buffoons could ever do on their own.
lazs
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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
Keep up the humor MT.
Really, how would ypu react if you werent aloowed to attend one of your son's shows because it was only for blacks?
Here is the bottom line. Discrimination is wrong. <--- period
However, the things posted in this thread, and in many others claiming that white people are losing their civil rights are just laughable. Overall, white people continue to be treated better in our society than black people or brown people or even asian people.
In general (please note those two words for future reference) white people don't need to worry about being pulled over for driving in the wrong neighborhood. In general white people are more likely to be given a job, or an apartment, or even have a check cashed. In general white people are more likely to be promoted, earn more and be taken at their word. In general racism still weighs heavily in favor of the white man.
I hope this all changes, and maybe we are on the way to equality. Cool. But not there yet.
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yep mt.. all that is correct about white people... In fact... I am ten times more likely to want to associate with white people now than I was 10 years ago... so long as your ilk pass off racism as equality I can only see things getting worse.
who will take a chance of offending a black these days? better to simply leave them out. Why would you rent to a black? About the dumbest thing you could do. You would be seen as the evil white landlord by every court in the land if there was ever a dispute.
That is the "equality" that you espouse. that is the kind of "fairness" that will keep the races distrusting and hating forever.
lazs
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Aren't private organizations free to discriminate in any way they see fit?
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As long as everyone has equal rights,not one penny of tax dollars should go to "Pride Parades"..It should be illegal to waste YOUR money on them...So until gays get equal rights I fully support funding for their parades.
And as for private clubs being able to discriminate...Why not? Don't fit in? Don't join.
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Several years ago a local Moose lodge refused membership to a black guy.It was pretty much known that this was a white establishment.They paid their dues,got someone to sponsor them and joined.This black guy sued.Instead of letting him join the entire club closed up.It was a huge place and thriving but they stood their ground.I wont even begin to start telling you what happened to each and every downtown bar in Hagerstown Md.Not long after this place closed down whites tried to go to whats called the Black Elks club.They were run off the property.Nobody ever said squat about it.Its still,20 years later a black only club and theres no white guy walking into that place unless he works for the health dept doing an inspection.Whitey gets the red carpet then.Double standards.Gotta love em.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Aren't private organizations free to discriminate in any way they see fit?
not if they recieve federal aid through tax exepmtion.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
not if they recieve federal aid through tax exepmtion.
Right... but privately funded organizations can do as they please.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Right... but privately funded organizations can do as they please.
as far as I know yes.
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sirloin... that is an interesting take... You say that if there is an inequality that the taxpayer should support that groups activities? Doesn't that in itself create an inequality?
How do you know when things are equal enough that the funding can stop? Who decides? certainly not those who have to pay for it all?
Some of you guys are actually saying that it is allright for a white social club to golf course etc.. to base admission on color or religion? is that correct? That is fine with me. How bout the right to serve whoever you want or rent to whoever you want?
lazs
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I think that Andy Roony post that went around way back summed it up nicely on the inbalance of this subject. If there were white versions of Cloud and Jet magazine,NAACP Black pride month et all,there would be screams of racism to no end.Now by all means,tell me Im mistaken.Not being what would be concidered a racist,unless hateing every living breathing thing on this planet applies,I dont have time to break everyone into little groups.I dispise everyone equaly regardless of color,creed or relegion.Save a few that showed usefull traits.I will say this tho,the blacks seem to be the first to show hypocracy when it comes to the racist attitudes involved with the afore mentioned subjects.
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some of my best friends are white.
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There's no skin color on UBB.
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I couldnt care less what someone looks like,Its how you act.
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BLACK AND WHITE
Three Dog Night in 1972
The ink is black, the page is white
Together we learn to read and write
A child is black, a child is white
The whole world looks upon the sight, a beautiful sight
And now a child can understand
That this is the law of all the land, all the land
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all this liberal newspeak is too much for me.....
"equality is treating everyone differently based on their religion, skin color or gender"
lazs
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I have a question.
Why does it matter? When people hear about thins stuff it just makes more racisim. So why not just slup it off and go on with your life. It seems pointless to me to worry about if a person is not let in to a gathering or not. You can't accomplish any thing. You can't make time go backwards so they let him in as long as he gets gets the goverment involved.
What I say is this doen't worry about the past just learn from it. And what I'v learned from this is that these things still will happen and nothing is going to change. And the more people talk about it the more it will happen again. If no one talked about this stuff I doen't belive it would realy be such a problem.
Just my opinion, and every one is intitled o there opinion.
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i thought this was going to be a thread about professional sports.
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Originally posted by lazs2
"sirloin... that is an interesting take... You say that if there is an inequality that the taxpayer should support that groups activities? Doesn't that in itself create an inequality?"
No.The inequality is already there and if the end result is equal rights and equality then there is no more tax $$ spent in support of something that no longer exists.
"How do you know when things are equal enough that the funding can stop? Who decides? certainly not those who have to pay for it all?"
When gay marriage is legalized in all states then the funding stops.
"Some of you guys are actually saying that it is allright for a white social club to golf course etc.. to base admission on color or religion? is that correct? That is fine with me. How bout the right to serve whoever you want or rent to whoever you want?"
lazs
You can serve whomever you want in a private club or perform whatever consensual sex act behind closed doors.But at the local pub you cannot refuse to serve someone based on their race/sexual orientation etc...
As for renting(or hiring for a job),it has to be based on who is the most qualified.If you can prove you were passed over for a job or apartment because you were black,you should be able to sue him for the shirt on his back.
Affirmative Action is discrimination and should be banned(or any hiring law based on anything other than the best/most qualified person getting the job)...Very hard and costly to prove though.
See the trick is to eliminate any and all inequalities and fundings...Then all the racists will have nothing to complain about .
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ok... we agree on a couple of points. AA is discrimination and should not be allowed.
Private clubs should be able to ban anyone for any reason.
If we agree on these things it makes it even harder for me to see how you believe that taxpayers should have to support one group over another. In my mind, the "seperation of church and state" speaks to this. It means, to me, that the government shouldn't support one ideological group over another with tax moneys.
I have no problem with gays having a parade on public streets or even with christians haveing a ntivity scene at city halls lawn so long as I am not paying for it... I would even go so far as to have the city workers clean up (at my expense so long as it wasn't outrageous) after the gay parade or maintain the nativity scene.
lazs