Aces High Bulletin Board
General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: humble on May 29, 2005, 09:51:59 PM
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The apparant differences in plane performance are related to a different set of external variables...not any change in the planes flight model.
When I started flying in the DA a bit I was spinning out everything. My 1st spitty on spitty fight I think I spun out 5 or 6 times before I died. I was spinning it out on merges...then spinning it out mid fight then spinning it out evading then spinning it out pulling for shots....yet I dont think I've spun out a plane in the MA this year. At 1st I'm going wow....the FM is sure different...but when I played around in MA...was the same...only difference was the external variables I was reacting to. The MA IS different then the DA (or CT) so you will react differently since the variables your reacting to are different. If you dont believe it then simply go and film it...and you'll find the planes stall at same speeds, zoom the same compress the same etc....
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Ding!
-- Todd/Leviathn
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LOL, what do you two noobs know anyway?!? :D
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well put.
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This looks like a troll we discused this in the other thread and there are mysterious stalls in the game and I get them in the CT. I dont care if you or HTC says it doesnt happen beacause I know it does and not because the way I fly. Like I said many times before I fly the same in all arenas sept the DA. I fight alot harder pushing the limits to my plane more.
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Originally posted by TrueKill
This looks like a troll we discused this in the other thread and there are mysterious stalls in the game and I get them in the CT. I dont care if you or HTC says it doesnt happen beacause I know it does and not because the way I fly. Like I said many times before I fly the same in all arenas sept the DA. I fight alot harder pushing the limits to my plane more.
Truekill, your simply mistaken....you "think" you fly the same way. But go ahead and film a couple and if you see a real difference then post the clips....
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I noticed it fighting redd in the DA, the hellkitty became the helplesskitty awful quickly. You'd swear the thing has more E better handling and a sweeter stall....then you get locked into a situation with no ability to "cheat" and the planes weak points become glaringly evident as you wallow around....same thing from the other side on the 109(F4) vs spit V...didnt matter what the 109 was doing the spitty wasnt even breaking a sweat...but in the MA you'd go 100+ hours without getting locked in like that.
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We can go at this all day long YOUR not going to tell me that Im flying a different way because YOU are not me. I know how I am flying and I know Im not flying any different. I dont need to film anything because I dont have to pove anything to you. This thing is like bigfoot or UFOs u dont beleave in them untill u have seen thing and I have seen this thing so you can call me a lier all you want because you dont have the stall and I do as do many others.
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Originally posted by humble
I noticed it fighting redd in the DA, the hellkitty became the helplesskitty awful quickly. You'd swear the thing has more E better handling and a sweeter stall....then you get locked into a situation with no ability to "cheat" and the planes weak points become glaringly evident as you wallow around....same thing from the other side on the 109(F4) vs spit V...didnt matter what the 109 was doing the spitty wasnt even breaking a sweat...but in the MA you'd go 100+ hours without getting locked in like that.
I have had some 109F vs 109F in the MA with eagler hes a good 109F pilot so Im pullin tricks out my arse trying not to die this includes high AoA turns and low speed turning I did get the snap roll but they arent that bad. And yes I remember a fight when SA2 and I where fighting he was in the Frainz and I was in the spitV the spit pwns the F unless you get in a sissor fight with it the spit might have the speed and the turn but I found out that the F is a better sissor fighter and thats how SA2 killed me.
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What are std icon settings for the CT ?
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Franz is indeed has an excellent roll rate compared to the spit. Plus the torque really rolls the 109s to the right, so barely any rudder input is needed to help it go that way. You have to be light on the stick at low speeds though, or it snaps bad, as TK noted.
I also used to think the CT and TA had different FMs than the MA, but as much as I'd like to say its so (and save myself the embarassment of admitting to such suckage as my flying in the CT lately has shown), I am becoming more and more convinced it was all in my head. I simply fly more aggressively in the CT where there are fewer cons and I worry less about getting picked. I also have a higher expectation of a good stick on the other side, and as such I try harder to get position than I might otherwise. Where I would "wait and see" for a couple of moves in the MA, to judge my opponent, I dont do that in the CT and it throws me off a bit. I'm more prone to pull more G's, for longer periods. And again, I think that maybe we need to look at making the fuel burn faster. Faster fuel burn means lighter planes more quickly and more maneuverability. I'm used to flying for 5 minutes or so before a fight in the MA. Also, I may not have the plane fully trimmed like I do in the MA due to the closer fights.
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
I simply fly more aggressively in the CT where there are fewer cons and I worry less about getting picked. I also have a higher expectation of a good stick on the other side, and as such I try harder to get position than I might otherwise. Where I would "wait and see" for a couple of moves in the MA, to judge my opponent, I dont do that in the CT and it throws me off a bit. I'm more prone to pull more G's, for longer periods. And again, I think that maybe we need to look at making the fuel burn faster. Faster fuel burn means lighter planes more quickly and more maneuverability. I'm used to flying for 5 minutes or so before a fight in the MA. Also, I may not have the plane fully trimmed like I do in the MA due to the closer fights.
BINGO!!!!!!
:aok
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Originally posted by straffo
What are std icon settings for the CT ?
I think it's somewhere between 1000 & 500 yards... I'd have to check.
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Originally posted by TrueKill
This looks like a troll we discused this in the other thread and there are mysterious stalls in the game and I get them in the CT. I dont care if you or HTC says it doesnt happen beacause I know it does and not because the way I fly. Like I said many times before I fly the same in all arenas sept the DA. I fight alot harder pushing the limits to my plane more.
Well my planes fly the same in the CT as they do the MA. But let's assume for a minute you are right. Then everyone in the CT would suffer the same thing, right? Or is it that somehow HTC has specifically altered you and Storch's planes? TK, you of all people should know the CM's can't alter the flight model in the game, yet Storch accused Slash of doing it. The more you try to make of this, the more ridiculous it looks.
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I'll do as you suggested humble and if i'm wrong, why I'll just find something else to call slash names about. :D
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Originally posted by Bear76
Well my planes fly the same in the CT as they do the MA. But let's assume for a minute you are right. Then everyone in the CT would suffer the same thing, right? Or is it that somehow HTC has specifically altered you and Storch's planes? TK, you of all people should know the CM's can't alter the flight model in the game, yet Storch accused Slash of doing it. The more you try to make of this, the more ridiculous it looks.
of course they do bear, my ack chairs fly the same in both arenas as well. :aok
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Originally posted by Bear76
Well my planes fly the same in the CT as they do the MA. But let's assume for a minute you are right. Then everyone in the CT would suffer the same thing, right? Or is it that somehow HTC has specifically altered you and Storch's planes? TK, you of all people should know the CM's can't alter the flight model in the game, yet Storch accused Slash of doing it. The more you try to make of this, the more ridiculous it looks.
What if a persons system is the cause of the problem? Show me where I said that the CMs are changing the FMs?
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Anyone who claims a difference in FM bewteen the arenas is a retard.
I've flown in them all. They are the same.
Stop whining about a conspiracy theory.
You guys who fly your friggin planes at 400mph at 20k dont know what to do when it comes time to turn and fight. You get below 200mph and wonder why your plane starts slippin out.
A stall is a stall is a stall. Get real.
Friggin whiners.
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The CT matters very little to HTC; it’s not their bread and butter. Why in the world would they bother to mess around with the FM between arenas? It would be a lot of work on their part, for what reason? HTC tries to match the FM of all planes as closely to real life as possible. When they discover discrepancies they make adjustments which show up on major releases, but this is rare. They are not going to give one area a “right” FM and then give another the “wrong” FM.
eskimo
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Originally posted by Morpheus
Anyone who claims a difference in FM bewteen the arenas is a retard.
I've flown in them all. They are the same.
Stop whining about a conspiracy theory.
You guys who fly your friggin planes at 400mph at 20k dont know what to do when it comes time to turn and fight. You get below 200mph and wonder why your plane starts slippin out.
A stall is a stall is a stall. Get real.
Friggin whiners.
Who you talking to??
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Originally posted by TrueKill
Who you talking to??
:rofl
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Originally posted by TrueKill
Who you talking to??
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
You Corky!!!!
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
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Stop being a 2D pilot.... think 3D. An average pilot reacts to his/her situation. A Great pilot is 13 seconds in front of it... if you understand that... you'll get it.
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Storch, Truekill, please post system specs in here. Do me that favor. I'd like to see if we have anything in common, hardware wise, that might relate to this issue.
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Originally posted by Slash27
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
You Corky!!!!
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
I guess your blind or someone didnt teach you to read.
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Personal attack/Inflammatory
I guess I 'm the only one talking crap in the thread huh.
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Originally posted by Slash27
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
You Corky!!!!
:rofl :rofl :rofl :rofl
What'd I do now? :)
Dan/CorkyJr
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Originally posted by Guppy35
What'd I do now? :)
Dan/CorkyJr
You know what you did. Sinner.:D
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Originally posted by TrueKill
That wont matter they will still call us liers. They are just stupid and dont beleave it because it doesnt happed to them.
He's trying to help you Truekill. Quit being so paranoid.
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Originally posted by Bear76
He's trying to help you Truekill. Quit being so paranoid.
theres nothing to help with even if we have the same parts theres ganna be someone that says oh i have some of those parts but i dont have the problem and it starts all over again. yall jsut need to get it through yalls skulls that some ppl have this mysterios stall problem and stop calling us liers.
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What?
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maybe you guys experiencing that "mysterious" stall simply need a new joystick actuator unit.
:aok
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(http://www.poster.net/scooby-doo/scooby-doo-classic-5000779.jpg)
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Originally posted by Mister Fork
I think it's somewhere between 1000 & 500 yards... I'd have to check.
If so it's closer than the MA and lead to more fierce combat (at least it's how I percived it during the Rangoon scenario)
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Originally posted by TrueKill
theres nothing to help with even if we have the same parts theres ganna be someone that says oh i have some of those parts but i dont have the problem and it starts all over again. yall jsut need to get it through yalls skulls that some ppl have this mysterios stall problem and stop calling us liers.
When did I ever call you a liar?
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Pa-The-Tic.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by TrueKill
yall jsut need to get it through yalls skulls that some ppl have this mysterios stall problem and stop calling us liers.
No ones calling you a liar...just delusional. I used to work with lots of folks in the TA who had mysterious stall problems. Invariably we were able to trace the problem back to the hand holding the joystick....the plane only does what you ask it to...if you ask for more than it has to give it lets you know in some fashion.