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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: Nomak on May 30, 2005, 09:23:12 PM
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I have decided to make the 109G10 my new main-stay.
I expect my k/d to go up and my k/t to go down.
Really though I need advice and hitting stuff with the mk108. Anyone???
Thx.... Dave
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get close and aim :aok
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Originally posted by Nomak
I expect my k/d to go up and my k/t to go down.
score potato ; P
Originally posted by Nomak
Really though I need advice and hitting stuff with the mk108. Anyone???
it is not easy, think about cannon / potato drop 3 times that of hispano
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I could be wrong but it seems to me the problem is more with the cyclic rate as opposed to projectile drop.
Thoughts?
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Both are problematic. The bullet drops a lot, and the rate of fire is also slow.
Some people, like Grunherz, or the ol' Assasins guys are experts in 30mm gunnery, but having flown the 109s almost exclusively since 1.05, I think I can speak for the more average grade of pilots.
Never fire over 200 yard's distance. Pure 6oc shots over 400 yards against a maneuvering enemy is almost a total waste. The G-10 is among the fastest plane in the set, so a chance to get that close against the target, will come. It always comes.
The best time to fire at, is when you get in real close, and the enemy starts maneuvering in either scissors or rolls. Don't slow down. You WILL overshoot. Just before the overshoot a critical moment comes when the enemy is showing a lot of surface area(either the belly or the back) since he is maneuvering. The distance is very close, and this one opportunity is the best opportunity you will ever get with 30mms.
Let 'er rip, and don't miss. If you miss this opportunity you will have to reposition yourself(not to mention you will be briefly exposed to enemy fire). So, if you think you see an opportunity, don't mind the low ammo count and just hold down that 30mm trigger. If you can land one shot among 20 rounds fired, that's good enough.
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ps) Oh.. don't shoot if you are too close.. like under 20 yards. The 30mm HE will damage you too if you are too close.
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Is the single 30mm the best load-out for the 109 series?
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If you are a good aim. I take the singal 20 vs fighters and the 30 with the gondies vs bombers.
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Depends, Nomak.
Twoface(flying as 'tufee') is one of the best 109 pilots in the MA although he's rarely seen nowadays. He used to fly a lot a few years back, when the familiar faces such as rraf, feed, supongo, hblair.. etc etc.. were around. Some of you might remember him.
Twoface is one of the pilots who uses 3x20mm loadouts. This offers triple firing 20mm cannons with 400 rounds, and is almost in league with the firepower of the Fw190A-5. Twoface is a good pilot, but he's one of those who emphasizes powerful snapshots and quick kills over the precision gunnery and dead-heat maneuvering required when using a single 30mm.
If you're in a position to keep the loss of speed, climb, and rollrate under control, taking gondolas actually might be a lot better. Especially if you aren't much confident in gunnery.
30mms run out quick, and they are hard to hit. Unless it's a pure and clean bounce, or, an optimum firing opportunity arises like in the case I've wrote in the previous post, against enemies that are aware of your presence and will enter defensive maneuvers it is dang hard to land. Taking even short snapshots can be a waste, and you have to maneuver a lot to really get that 'perfect' opportunity.
A P-51 or F4U might spray a little .50s time to time during maneuvers for hopes of a lucky shot or a cockpit shot.. but you can't do that in a G-10. You have to maneuver, maneuver, and maneuver.. until the enemy is at deck, runs out of all E, and you finally get that 'perfect chance' you are waiting for. That's the hardships of using single 30mm cannon for the average 109 pilot. Usually by the time you work your prettythang off to get the target to lose all E, a friendly Spitfire will come and reap what you've sowed so hard instead.
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Gondies really arent an option for me. I dont mind them on the g2/g6 but the g10 is just a pig with them.
I need to be able to knife fight with 38s/51s/other109s
So for me the g10 load-out question is single 20mm or single 30mm.
BTW I not only remember HBlair I used to duel him in 109s ;)
c yas up.... Dave
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Take the 30s Dave. Make em count.
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30mm. 200 yds. 1 round will take a wing off if it hits. If I can get a good sight picture at 200yds, 3 rounds fired = 1 pile of junk in your forward view.
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the best bomber killer for me, with gondolas, but i shoot/waste all mgs rounds shortly after take off, works better , if i hit, i know i hit with cannon rounds and concentrate fire,the buffs blow up eassy,
i think are 3 guns with diferent balistic on the same plane, is hard to hit all of them in the same spot,
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and beware of F4Us....
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hey nomak, i was locked about the gondies thing too, i was sure they will force me to fly in a strict BnZ way.
but after a couple of months i decided to give them a go.
i was amazed on how much it improved my gunnery in the G10. what you might loose in low speed hendling you get back in snap shot abillity.
all im saying is give them a try :)
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Dave,
This is something I am really into getting a better feel for as well. If you want to work on your aim, give me a yell and I'll hop in the DA with ya.
I can't seem to hit snapshots at all with the taters, but I can hit a straight 6 pretty well. I think it will just take some getting used to, but when you only have a little over 60 rounds, by the time you get a feel for it you are out of ammo.
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hblair has to be the best 109 pile-it of all time. even better than gunman26.
just thought i'd add that.
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hblair has to be the best 109 pile-it of all time. even better than gunman26.
LOL, hiyas hbliar, u still flying m8??
(and gunman26 sucs ballz in a 109)
Nomak,
Take the 30mm and put short bursts into your con at a distance around 200 yds. I agree with most of the statements of Kweassa btw.
Let them scissor in front of you, take the shot at the big upper surface of their plane (I love a P38 in front of me). Be careful on the overshoot.
You can take 400 yds shots with the 30mm if you set the convergence to that distance and fire at exactly that distance. Be careful though firing at less or more needs much more compensation for then any other caliber.
And always setup for the firing solution, don't setup to get on someone’s six (hardly ever possible in this plane vs T&B planes anyway). Go for the snapshots. I got loads and loads of film killing T&B ers using snapshots and lead shots especially when they high yoyo on me
Leave the gondies, they will slow u down in roll rate and speed.
Use the vertical, especially if u want to stall fight and be able to use the flaps (which deploy at less then 160mph, unlike all americanobread uberplanes).
Anything higher then u....bleed their E to co_E by shallow dive until they reach max speed. Doesn't matter whether on your six or not, most are not patient enough and will try to go for kill first turn anyway, giving u the opportunity to make em overshoot and fight them. From the equal E state u have the vertical advantage over most planes
The keyword for this plane is....patience (for setting up for the ideal shot, for learning to snapshoot with 30mm, learning how for to lead with 30mm, learning the most effective use of the flaps of a g10, best fuel state for knife fights, handling the compression => use vator trim, when to go for the rope and especially when NOT, throttle management in knife fights, when to ease out of the knife fight and setup again, etc). Don't be affraid to *** up (i know i still do allot and i fly this thing since I can't remember how long.
If you want to practice some revs in the DA, gimmy a shout.
Ohh yeah, and by the time u think ur really good in it....give NathBDP a try in the G10 lol
Apar aka Dutchie
:aok
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Is the single 30mm the best load-out for the 109 series?
I prefer the 151 single 20mm...
alot more versitile than the potatoe launcher..
granted you have to make your hits count but at under 300 m you will appreciate the accuracy of the prop hubbed weapon, its decent ROF, ammo duration and trajectory
heavy bombers could be problematic if you are alone.. (you should be able to bag them if you set up high and in front of them... wing attacks from a 45 deg foward angle usually can take a wing on one pass..) (or if you prefer high and nose to nose dumping rounds front nose to tail will sometimes gets them with a one pass...) (tail shots are suicide avoid them..)
the 151 imo is the better weapon.. 30mm while it has its moments its drawbacks keep me from using it.. (as soon as i put that weapon in my bird all i get is fighters.. when i have a 20mm it really doesn't matter.. its effective on both if you know what your doing.. some may say the same about the 30mm "if you know what your doing" but I say the trajectory and the ammo load out blows.. and that may or may not effect your flying style.. , me personally I am sometimes hesitent to take a low prob shot with the 30mm while i'll dump 20mm in a heartbeat in the same situation..)
its really a matter of preference.. I prefer consistent firepower over killing blows..
2 cents..
DoctorYo
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60 rounds go quick
you may want to start with the 20mm so you aren't spending all your time rtb'ing
grab a dt as fuel goes quick too
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i flew for a long tiem with gondys on...
i also figth in the DA iwth bombs on...it makes you a bettr pilot; )
with out a doubt there a large advantage with gondys on for fire power...
learn to fly with them..and you will get more kills
flying with just 30s mil s..for me..suks..
I think Dial up..really seems to limit my gun packages..I need Hi rate of large cannosn firing to get quick kills in furballs...
no way in hell..i can get multi kills..in afurball..with a singel 30 mil cannon...Who the hell can stay on soemones azzz that long to get a shot..before soem nik is on ur azzz
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By looking at the title I thought this thread was going to be about Lgays! :D
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Just use HT's .extryamno command. Solves all the problems.
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I can get 4-5 killz with 30mm only easily. :)
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Thank you everyone for all the input. I am gonna fly it all for a while then I will post my thoughts/findings.
c yas up.... Dave
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tis only a matter of time before you feel the Force of the Tank. :cool:
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mk108 is all about gettn in close... practice from there
:p
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The 30mm does suck, yes. But it's also easy to get 4-5 kills with it, as stated.
But I want to add that you should NOT discount the MGs, either. You have many hundreds of rounds of 50cal (essentially, they're 50cal, for AH2's purposes). They're great for pilot wounds, finishing wounded planes, of for when you run out of cannon (don't rtb til your MG ammo is gone!)
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I logged on this past weekend for a quick sortie. Haven't flown in months. Took forever to D/L athe update, terrain, patches, etc. Finally get oin the MA, fly for a while, get a few kills and disco.
But while flying, I encounter nomak.
Nomak, what were you doing in a ta152?? You're supposed to be 109'n man. :)
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Originally posted by Nomak
Is the single 30mm the best load-out for the 109 series?
Yes! 5 taters at a time
conv at 225
shoot at 200 or less
IMHO :)