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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: EagleEyes on May 31, 2005, 10:06:58 AM
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Sitting here watching the Longest Day and was woundering what your guys' favorite WWII movie was?? Mines The Logest Day and Windtalkers!
Egle31st
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Either you are a kid, or this will be a mighty fine troll.
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Well considering i just graduated highschool fridaynight, not sure if that counts as a kid. But ok! Just was woundering what peoples favorite WWII movie was.
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Well then... The Longest Day is a mighty fine movie, but Windtalkers may be the worst WW2 movie ever made.
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Windtalkers was the biggest pile of crap ever made about WW2.
You would think everytime a grenade went off a F4 was dropping napalm on the same spot.
john woo is a hack, and that movie was sooo lame I can not fathom how it got made.
You want good WW2?
The longest day is good. Band of brothers is better. Saving private ryan is a good one mostly.
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Here we go again....
Favorite War Flicks
Das Boot
Stalingrad
Band of Brothers
Paths of Glory
Dark Blue World (Love Story is practical, but not needed :))
Battle of Britain
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Der Untergang (Downfall)
Das Boot
Stalingrad
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has the long version of Battle of Brittain come out on DVD yet? The 2 hour version sucks.
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longest day, in harms way, wing and a prayer: i own 'em all. good movies. pearl harbor is good. private ryan good. 12 o'clock high also good. one of those would be my pick.
Hap
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Entertainmant, or Historical Accuracy?
For entertainment, Von Ryans Express; Bridge over the Rive Kwai, The Great Escape, Midway, Tora, Tora, Tora, They Were Expendable, Sands of Iwo & Run Silent, Run Deep.
For Historical accuracy, Band Of Brothers and Saving Private Ryan.
Somewhere in the middle, Enemy at the Gates.
Best flying scenes.. without doubt; Deep Blue Sea.
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Private Ryan
Band of Brothers
Enemy At the Gates
Longest Day
Das Boot
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Tora Tora Tora took great pains to be historically accurate. Probably the most accurate listed here?
I'll go with Pvt Ryan or Band of Brothers. 12 o'clock High for air war, on Gregory Peck's performance. Not enough air combat footage for me though.
What about Memphis Belle? That's gotta give Windtalkers a run for its money?
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Originally posted by oboe
Tora Tora Tora took great pains to be historically accurate. Probably the most accurate listed here?
I'll go with Pvt Ryan or Band of Brothers. 12 o'clock High for air war, on Gregory Peck's performance. Not enough air combat footage for me though.
What about Memphis Belle? That's gotta give Windtalkers a run for its money?
Funny thing about Memphis Belle. Talking to Vets I've gotten different reactions. A 91st BG Pilot vet hated it. A 301st BG Tail gunner who was shot down and litterally rode the seperated tail down and survived, thought it great.
My favorite war movie would probably be "Battleground". Done in 1948 I think, it isn't the show it all movie that SPR is, but it somehow tells a great story without it and doesn't glorify war at all building it's story around a unit from the 101st during the Battle of the Bulge.
Favorite just for entertainment, and NOT historical accuracy is "Air Force" starring John Garfield, about the mythical B17D "Mary Ann". They take off on a peaceful day in December 41, fly into Pearl Harbor during the attack, leave for the Phillipines, stopping in at Wake first. Once in the Phillipines they fly a mission, get shot up, and have to belly land it. The Phillipines are going to be lost and with it the wreck of the Mary Ann, but no! The crew, minus the dying pilot rebuild her and take off at the last minute, only to spot a Japanese task force. While calling for help, they lead the attack and sink it, before finally having to belly it in on the beach afterwards.
Ahh what fun :) Great film of early 17s too.
Dan/CorkyJr
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p51 tank busters!
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Das Boot
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The Great Escape
Enemy at the Gates
Saving Private Ryan
Dark Blue World
from the small bit of band of brothers i have seen it is great, but i have only seen like 2 "shows" or whatever
Hart's War was mediocre, the snotty senators son, what's his name, all talking about duty really wrecked the movie. if in the end bruce willis killed him in the night too it would have been great.
memphis belle JB42 hates LOL, but i kind of like it. i like it for the non war footage, the dance hall with the bomber in the background, the scenes of having to wait to takeoff because of cloud cover, all that stuff.
i have not had the chance to watch a ton of the older movies, since i have no patience for commercials, and forget to get back after the break, hence losing my place in the story.
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Golly-geen people ! Big Red ****ing One. Das Boot. The great escape. Shindlers List.
And there are several more that are leagues better than drippy bellybutton enemy at the gates.
Private Ryan for historical accuracy ? LOL!
That was ET meets normandy. We're supposed to believe that a bunch of joined-the-army-last-year slack jawed f'ups led by a reservist school teacher are lifer commandos ?
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Ok lets see.
Accuracy
Das Boot
Private Ryan ( the first twenty minutes and the last battle.)
Band of Brothers
Untergang ( Downfall )
Sort of Accurate but Damn good despite the flaws
Enemy at the Gate
Battle of Britain
Memphis Belle
Dark Blue World
Stalingrad
Schindlers List
A bridge too far
Longest Day
Entertainment Value
Kellys Heroes
Great Escape
Heroes of Telemark
The Eagle Has Landed
Pearl Harbour ( great air combat stuff? )
Different and interesting
The Thin red Line
The Young Lions ( the book is better )
Come and see ( its Russian and bloody depressing! )
Ice Cold in Alex
Captain Corellis Mandolin ( never read the book but liked the film )
Probably got some more but thats all I can think of.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
For Historical accuracy... (snip) and Saving Private Ryan
::snicker::
Pearl Harbor too, eh?
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One that nobody has mentioned, "They Were Expendable". John Ford did'nt make any bad movies. Robert Montgomery actually directed the last half of the film at Ford's suggestion after Ford fell ill.
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Das Boot
MIDWAY
Tora Tora Tora
The Sands of Iwo Jima
PATTON
I can watch any of those films any number of times and not get tired of them. Also note that none of them were made recently. All of the major WW2 films made in the last decade are complete trash.
J_A_B
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I've always liked Band of Brothers and Saving Private Ryan for WWII infantry type films, although the Longest Day and was also good. (Never could figure out what kind of planes the 2 luftwaffe pilots were flying in that film, but they defintely were not Bf-109's...)
Other genrally aviation related films that I've enjoyed are:
Tora Tora Tora
Midway
Memphis Belle
12 O'clock High
Battle of Britain
and.........
Pearl Harbor - wife and daughters enjoy the love story side of it, so we've watched it several times, but come on, lines like
"remember, a P-40 can't outrun a Zero - we're just gonna have to outfly them!"
IIRC, at the time of the Pearl Harbor attack, most USAAC pilots didn't even know what a Zero was, right? Then there's the thing about P-40E's (?) being used when it should have been P-40B's. Oh, and Doolittle bypassed all the twin-engine trained pilots who'd been checked out on the B-25's, and substituted the whole single engine, pursuit squadron who'd been at Pearl Harbor? 17 year old navy nurses? Weren't all the nurses officers? at 17?
Ok - I'll stop. Anyway - wife and girls like it, and I like the arial scenery, so it's a good thing when your whole family can sit down and enjoy the same film. I've obviously got too much time when I write this much crap.....
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I'll always stay up to watch a good war flick..
A Bridge to far..and Patton!:D
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Originally posted by SKJohn
I've always liked Band of Brothers and Saving Private Ryan for WWII infantry type films, although the Longest Day and was also good. (Never could figure out what kind of planes the 2 luftwaffe pilots were flying in that film, but they defintely were not Bf-109's...)
Other genrally aviation related films that I've enjoyed are:
Tora Tora Tora
Midway
Memphis Belle
12 O'clock High
Battle of Britain
The "109s" in Longest Day were actually ME 108s, which is a four seat bird if memory serves
http://www.airbum.com/pireps/PirepME-108.html
Dan/CorkyJr
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Originally posted by rpm
One that nobody has mentioned, "They Were Expendable". John Ford did'nt make any bad movies. Robert Montgomery actually directed the last half of the film at Ford's suggestion after Ford fell ill.
Fer shame, RPM. Beat yah too it. Check my post upthread.
Nyahhh nayhh!! neeener, neener, neener, ;)
::snicker:: Pearl Harbor too, enh?
Jeeze, Saurdaukar, possibly yer eyeballs are defective. That POS ain't anywhere on my list. Now, if you've got a WWII movie that's MORE historically accurate than the two (SPR & BoBro's) I picked, I'd love to see it.
::snicker:: yerself!
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a bridge to far
soldaat van oranje( by paul verhoeven, Rutger van houwen jeroen krabbee)
its the best the dutch made.
saving private ryan and its style in the band of brothers.
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I can't really say I have a favorite, I love WW2 movies in general.
One of my personal favorites I haven't seen mentioned is The Dam Busters.
Another I haven't seen mentioned that I'm partial to is 633 Squadron. Not really that spectacular a movie, but the flying scenes are great.
culero
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The best epic full-scale WWII film is "Osvobozhdenie" ("Liberation") by Yuri Ozerov.
Re-watched it several weeks ago, was amazed how brilliantly it is made! In a forced crossing of Dniepr scene you see a T-34 on a pontoon being hit by a German shell, it slids into the water and goes upside-down, and then you understand it's a REAL tank really sinking in the river... And it's only a small detail in the background of the whole scene...
Surprisingly - very little "Party line" crap.
"Enemy at the gates" is a crap. I mean - a figment of sick imagination from the very beginning to the end. The only real detail is that there indeed was a sniper "duel" between Vasiliy Zaitsev and Maj. König (König's rifle is on display in Armed Forces Museum in Moscow). I really love the scene where Evil NKVD shoots attacking soldiers in the back... In such a case they'll end up lifted on bayonets in a matter of seconds...
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Fer shame, RPM. Beat yah too it. Check my post upthread.
Nyahhh nayhh!! neeener, neener, neener, ;)
D'oh! must have overlooked it. Just a note, the flying scenes from Deep Blue World were cut from Battle of Britan. ;)
Another great film that's often overlooked is "Decision Before Dawn". It's about a German POW sent back to Germany to spy for the Allies. Great flick.
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Boroda, you freakin commie martyr reactionist stalinist apologist... Enemy at the Gates is the only western film I've seen that gives even a slight indication of how horrific the Seige at Stalingrad was..
Plot, acting, poor; unbelievable. Scenes, 'feel'.. nicely done.
to The Rooski's, the turning point to the war in europe came BEFORE pearl harbor!
Now, go slice an onion and slam back some pepper vodka. Any chance the film you mention is avaiable for the west? with subtitles in english? would love to see it.
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Originally posted by Boroda
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"Enemy at the gates" is a crap.
I agree, but I really enjoyed the book.
culero
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Originally posted by culero
I agree, but I really enjoyed the book.
culero
"War of the Rats". Great read. Good historical 'sidebar' woven with fitional plots. Eye-opener with regards to Stalingrad.
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TALK TO ME GOOSE!
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WWII films, Yeager.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Boroda, you freakin commie martyr reactionist stalinist apologist... Enemy at the Gates is the only western film I've seen that gives even a slight indication of how horrific the Seige at Stalingrad was..
Plot, acting, poor; unbelievable. Scenes, 'feel'.. nicely done.
to The Rooski's, the turning point to the war in europe came BEFORE pearl harbor!
Well, 90% of the "offence" about that film is because it was made in the West. Now we have our own films that are many times worse then EatG. Typical plot is: criminals released from jail fight nazis and bloody cops... er, officers hinder them.
Some scenes sound like Soviet jokes: "Granny, and why do you have such a big nose?" - "It's because I am a Jew", said a Wolf and started to cry...
Soviet soldiers are mindless cattle. Officers are bastards who hate them... Stalingrad veterans organisation was really enraged by EatG...
Originally posted by Hangtime
Now, go slice an onion and slam back some pepper vodka. Any chance the film you mention is avaiable for the west? with subtitles in english? would love to see it.
Drinking ordinary stuff now, no pepper or onions :(
I didn't think I'll see "Liberation" on TV any more, you know, any film where Soviet soldiers are always on "good side" are considered "politically incorrect" now (see the schoolbook thread).
Made a search in Edonkey network - didn't find any links :(
Only an article on IMDB: http://imdb.com/title/tt0151852/
The original Soviet film is 5 episodes long and starts from Kursk battle.
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Originally posted by culero
I agree, but I really enjoyed the book.
culero
You mean "There is no land behind Volga for us" by Vasiliy Zaitsev? Unfortunately I didn't read it :(
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DOH!
goose is in heaven now......
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Originally posted by Boroda
The best epic full-scale WWII film is "Osvobozhdenie" ("Liberation") by Yuri Ozerov.
Re-watched it several weeks ago, was amazed how brilliantly it is made! In a forced crossing of Dniepr scene you see a T-34 on a pontoon being hit by a German shell, it slids into the water and goes upside-down, and then you understand it's a REAL tank really sinking in the river... And it's only a small detail in the background of the whole scene...
Surprisingly - very little "Party line" crap.
Can't agree. Yep, it is "epic" movie but I would say it has only 5% of truth.
I would say that the best Russian WW2 movies are "Guga", "V boy idut odni stariki", "Torpedonoscy", "A zory zdes tihie". It is a real war, not Hollywood sweet fairy tales. After re-watching that movies I want to bring flowers to the monuments to war dead.
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Originally posted by Vad
Can't agree. Yep, it is "epic" movie but I would say it has only 5% of truth.
Yeah, 95% of truth must be in "Shtrafbat"!...
I like it for the scale and the feeling of the battle... I didn't see it for maybe 15-20 years, and now it looks quite different then at that times for me.
Interesting fact: two T-44s decoyed as Tigers that acted in Yuri Ozerov's films were bought from Mosfilm by Americans, and you can see them in "Saving private Ryan".
Originally posted by Vad
I would say that the best Russian WW2 movies are "Guga", "V boy idut odni stariki", "Torpedonoscy", "A zory zdes tihie". It is a real war, not Hollywood sweet fairy tales. After re-watching that movies I want to bring flowers to the monuments to war dead.
"Guga" - what's that?
Other films you mentioned - I posted about them here many times. Some more to mention are "They fought for the Motherland", "Dive-bomber chronicles", "At War as at War", "Test on the roads".
From modern films I'll advise Zvezda, labeled as "communist propaganda" at some European film-festival in 2002.
Isn't it strange that films like Zvezda or Balabanov's "Vojna" ("War") are never issued on DVD in the West?...
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bill and teds bogus adventure
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Flying Leatherneck
Halls of Montezuma
Midway
To Hell and Back
Tora! Tora! Tora!
Gotta say that Pearl Harbor and Windtalkers are worst movie ever made for WWII Film.
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My ALL TIME FAVORITE:
The Cruel Sea (http://www.britishcinemagreats.com/films_page/the_cruel_sea/the_cruel_sea_page_one.htm)
Some of my other Faves (only those that haven't got many mentions to date):
Guns of Navarone
Bridge over the River Kwai
The War Lover
King Rat
The Dambusters
Sink the Bismark
Hell is for Heroes
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Lol, nobody mentioned Catch 22. :)
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Dumbo. It came out during WWII, right?
Makes me all teary-eyed just thinking about it.
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The Story of GI Joe - 1945
Burgess Meredith plays Pulitzer Prize-winning war correspondent Ernie Pyle, who lived with soldiers on the front lines to report their stories. THE STORY OF G.I. JOE focuses on Pyle's time with Company C of the 18th Infantry and its journey from the desert of North Africa to Italy, where it took part in the march towards Rome. Meredith plays Pyle with simple dignity as he witnesses and records the goings-on. The picture utilizes an effective mix of real-life GIs and talented actors. Director William Wellman has created an unsentimental and honest portrayal of the brutal and harrowing lives of Pyle’s infantry soldiers in a World War II movie that is beloved by veterans.
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stalag 17
king rat
also I saw a movie with ethan hawke where the setting was the battle of the bulge. the american and german squads facing each other held an impromptu truce. I can't remember the name of that movie but I found it interesting.
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Amazing I see this question come up every so often and alot of good movies get mentioned. B.O.B. Midway. Prvt Ryan etc
Nobody seems to mention "Battleground"
With Van Johnson , John Hodiak , and a very young Ricardo Montalban. And the 101st airborn itself.
Damn good movie that really gives a decent insight to the lives and gripes, and hardships of the every day dogface.
Another good one is "The Story of GI Joe"
Both belong up there with the very best WWII movies IMO
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
Dumbo. It came out during WWII, right?
Makes me all teary-eyed just thinking about it.
Not to mention its a flying movie...
Storch, the Movie you are thinking of is "A Midnight Clear"
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Was going to mention this last post but wanted to keep it seperate.
I always see alot of people being critical of Prvt Ryan.
What exactly is the problem with it?
Every WWII vet I've spoken to (and I've spoken to more then a few) and every WWII vet Ive seen interviewed who have seen it claimed it was a pretty damn accurate portrayal of what it was like...only worse.
Sorry but when it comes to the word of actual WWII combat vets against a bunch of amature historians,
I'll take the word of the combat vets every time.
And lets face it 99.999% of us here are "amature" historians
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suprised no one has said '633 Squadron'
nevermind.
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Favourite:
Das Boot
Also love:
Dark Blue World
The Dambusters
Angels One Five
Oh and "Joc the Sheep Barbarian"
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Originally posted by Seagoon
Not to mention its a flying movie...
Storch, the Movie you are thinking of is "A Midnight Clear"
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thanks seagoon. I couldn't recall the name at all.
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Yeah I forgot Catcha 22. Bloody great.
the Dambusters is good too though I noticed when they showed it on TV a while ago they've overdubbed the bit where "******" the dog gets run over! He's called Rover now! ( Mind you they are dead too so I guess its all the same lol.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Was going to mention this last post but wanted to keep it seperate.
I always see alot of people being critical of Prvt Ryan.
What exactly is the problem with it?
Every WWII vet I've spoken to (and I've spoken to more then a few) and every WWII vet Ive seen interviewed who have seen it claimed it was a pretty damn accurate portrayal of what it was like...only worse.
Sorry but when it comes to the word of actual WWII combat vets against a bunch of amature historians,
I'll take the word of the combat vets every time.
And lets face it 99.999% of us here are "amature" historians
The gripers are annoyed with the 'plot'.. a 'retrevial mission' for a troop who's family has already lost a brother or two. Can't say as i disagree.. that was a mite much, but the historical care taken in doing the invasion portion of the film is without parallel. I probably woulda liked it more if the entire cast was all 'unknowns' ala BoBro's.. Tom Hanks and Ben Afflacks gay pal detracted more from the realisim than the plot.. kinda like how Mel Gibson porked 'We were Soldiers.."
For the most part, the movie deals with combat arms issues very, very well... as does Band of Bro's. Of course, that's just my opinion, your mileage may vary.
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I know windtalkers isnt the best movie ever made on WWII, but i liked it because of he way it tells of the "Windtalkers" roll in WWII. Band of Bothers is at the top of my list. I have no idea how many times i have seen all the episodes. Pvt Ryan is good too.:aok
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Jeeze, Saurdaukar, possibly yer eyeballs are defective. That POS ain't anywhere on my list. Now, if you've got a WWII movie that's MORE historically accurate than the two (SPR & BoBro's) I picked, I'd love to see it.
::snicker:: yerself!
My eyeballs were defective, but I had them lightsabered and now I see just fine.
SPR is about as accurate from a situational standpoint (and thus historical) as PH.
Every time I hear "P51's, sir! Tank busters!" I want to kick my dog.
Yes, it makes me that mad.
That and over-ripe bananas.
Dad Boot would be at the top of my list.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
The gripers are annoyed with the 'plot'.. a 'retrevial mission' for a troop who's family has already lost a brother or two. Can't say as i disagree..
LOL ummmm its a story, Stories dont have to be true simply because they are set in a particular time period or during a specific historical event. They just have to be interesting.
Maybe a bit much but Im sure there were some real life missions conducted that were even more proposterous.
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My favorites have all been listed.
Does anyone have the scuttlebut on the next Spielberg hanks project for HBO?
I recall hearing lots of rumours they were doing a series involving the PTO.
With the CGI capabilities available to us know I am drooling over the possibilties of a good WW2 aviation film.
A good one would be to make Ambroses last project a movie. The name slips the mind but it was about George McGoverns TOD in a B-24. I may not agree with his politics but the book showed him and his crew as true heros.
Image the mighty 8th as a picture let me stop now...
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here is the most I could find. I however suck at searching
http://www.the-pacific-war.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=45&
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Capt. Stransky: "I will show you how an officer fights."
Sgt. Steiner : "And I will show you where the iron crosses grow."
My fav....Cross of Iron
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Every time I hear "P51's, sir! Tank busters!" I want to kick my dog.
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Just for chuckles I did a quick search to see if there may have been some sort of historical relivence to that.
found this bit of info on another board and thought it interesting.
"Re: P-51's The A-36 Apache was an Alison engined P51 specialized for dive bombing/ground attack. They were more common in the Mediterranean (even then not very), but apparently acquired a decent reputation for ground support, possibly even tankbusting. Problem was, they looked much like 51’s, and everybody that didn’t actually fly them called them P51. I don’t know whether any served during Overlord, and they were gradually withdrawn in 1944, as P51’s replaced P47’s in the fighter role and all those P47’s needed something to do. There may therefore be some tenuous historical background for seeing a “P-51 tankbuster” at the end of the movie.
More likely however, Spielberg used 51’s as these are the most well known us fighter of the period and flying examples are much more commonly available."
Just thought it interesting.
If he used a vet who didnt know any better that may explain th reason for it.
Remember the soldiers of the day were far more interesting in their own personal equipment then what specific equipment members of the other services such as the AAC may be using.
I'm sure to alot of guys on the ground as far as they were concerned there were only 2 types of AC. Fighters and bombers.
In short they werent as equipment savvy as we are today 60+ years later and with the benifit of hindsite as well as having the time to study these things over many years and not a few short ones while getting shot at a good deal of the time LOL
Reminds me of the Don Rickles line in Kellys Heros whewn he finds a landmine and tells Savalis. Savalis says "What kind is it?" and Rickles replies "the kind that blows up! How the hell would I know what kind it is?" lmao
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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
My eyeballs were defective, but I had them lightsabered and now I see just fine.
SPR is about as accurate from a situational standpoint (and thus historical) as PH.
Every time I hear "P51's, sir! Tank busters!" I want to kick my dog.
Yes, it makes me that mad.
That and over-ripe bananas.
Dad Boot would be at the top of my list.
oooookayy.. I'll see yer bogus p-51 'tankbuster' in SPR for and raise yah on the totally bogus gibraltar bit & the hokey leak damage control in Das Boot. Everytime I see it, I wanna call shenannigans and get my broom.
Hans-Rudolf Rösing:
"As far as the types of people with the submarines, their behaviour and so on, it is excellent. But on the other hands many things in it are nonsence. For instance the break through of the Straits of Gibraltar - it was unreal.
Also the leakage underwater which they fought by trying to stop the water with the wood - it's nonsense because the water pressure would have been too high. I had a leakage with my boat when it had been rammed in peacetime [U11] We were rammed by another Weddigen boat, and of course we were in danger because they had the net saw on them. The bow of the other boat hit ours directly aft of the torpedo tubes. And then with the saw he rode over us pushing us to the side, making holes under the waterline when we flipped back upright. So in the forward compartment we had some leaks. But we were surfaced therefore it was possible of course to keep the tide and make her tight again so we could go to the shipyards."
neeener neeener neener.
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Originally posted by rpm
One that nobody has mentioned, "They Were Expendable". John Ford did'nt make any bad movies. Robert Montgomery actually directed the last half of the film at Ford's suggestion after Ford fell ill.
Good movie, based on the exploits of John D Bulkely, for GREAT read, pick up his book. This man got Mac out of the Philipines, ran a PT boat off Normady on Dday and took on Castro as the comander of gitmo after the castro took over.
Book on amazon. Could not put it down once I started. Hell he stole the Japanses ambasadores breif case just before WW2 started! (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0891416633/102-4998466-4235305?%5Fencoding=UTF8&s=books&v=glance)
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wow hangtime, i forgot all those great movies you listed.
Hap
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IMO is Das Boot is one of the most accurate war films, ever. Hands Down.
Whats so bogus about the Gibralter scene in Das Boot?
Your quote says Rosing says it was unreal. But he doesnt state why.
Is he calling it unreal because U96 didnt make it through and was forced to return to base?
As for using wood, Wood was commonly carried and used, as for its effectiveness, I dont know.
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Originally posted by Nefarious
IMO is Das Boot is one of the most accurate war films, ever. Hands Down.
Whats so bogus about the Gibralter scene in Das Boot?
Your quote says Rosing says it was unreal. But he doesnt state why.
Is he calling it unreal because U96 didnt make it through and was forced to return to base?
As for using wood, Wood was commonly carried and used, as for its effectiveness, I dont know.
Shhhhh! I agree with yah. was just tossin dookie inta Saur's cream of wheat. ;)
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Good movie, based on the exploits of John D Bulkely, for GREAT read, pick up his book. This man got Mac out of the Philipines, ran a PT boat off Normady on Dday and took on Castro as the comander of gitmo after the castro took over.
Book on amazon. Could not put it down once I started. Hell he stole the Japanses ambasadores breif case just before WW2 started! (http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0891416633/102-4998466-4235305?%5Fencoding=UTF8&s=books&v=glance)
what was the book titled and please verify the spelling of the author's name. thanks
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I sorta like Thunderbolt, filmed during war. It's a documentary
filmed out of Sardinia and very well done.
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Originally posted by Rino
I sorta like Thunderbolt, filmed during war. It's a documentary
filmed out of Sardinia and very well done.
Thunderbolt was filmed around the 57th FG,12th AF.
They used a bunch of the film later in the making of "Fighter Squadron" also using Jugs.
Dan/CorkyJr
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You gents are aware that the premise for the 'rescue' was based on the story of the Niland brothers?
One was killed in Saint Mere Eglise with the 82nd. One died on Utah with the 4th Infantry, and one went missing in a bomber over Burma. The surviving brother, Fritz Niland was with the 501st PIR, 101st Airborne and had been badly misdropped so he was part of a very isolated small unit.
The 501st Chaplain, Father Sampson, first told the story in his biography and implied that Niland had been pulled off the line. It carried on and was told, not entirely accurately based on this original telling.
Fritz Niland did in fact get pulled out of combat, but it was after the 101st as a unit came out. He was sent home and finished out his time as an MP stateside.
The MIA brother in Burma later returned from a Japanese POW camp.
Dan/CorkyJr
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Originally posted by storch
what was the book titled and please verify the spelling of the author's name. thanks
Sea Wolf : The Daring Exploits of Navy Legend John D. Bulkely
by WILLIAM BREUER
ISBN: 0891416633
The link took me right to the page.
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Was a Film as well as a TV series.
Very Accurate I reckon! ;)
(http://www.bbc.co.uk/comedy/guide/images/400/dadsarmy_2.jpg)
Who do you think you are kidding Mr Hitler!:lol
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Battle of Britain...tops film
You can teach monkies to fly better than that !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by GtoRA2
Sea Wolf : The Daring Exploits of Navy Legend John D. Bulkely
by WILLIAM BREUER
ISBN: 0891416633
The link took me right to the page.
don't I feel like a dumbarse. thanks
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Skydancer,
While I love the exploits of Dad's Army and can't think of it without the Formby classic "Guarding the Home of the Home Guard" going through my head, my favorite WW2 series was the Thames TV offering DANGER UXB:
(http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0006L7UF6.01.LZZZZZZZ.jpg)
Just wish I could afford to get it on DVD...
- SEAGOON
(Off to hang out the washing on the Siegfried line)
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Originally posted by Seagoon
Skydancer,
While I love the exploits of Dad's Army and can't think of it without the Formby classic "Guarding the Home of the Home Guard" going through my head, my favorite WW2 series was the Thames TV offering DANGER UXB:
Just wish I could afford to get it on DVD...
- SEAGOON
(Off to hang out the washing on the Siegfried line)
Agreed. That was a great series. Saw that on Masterpiece Theater on PBS. Seems like that was a long time ago. Great stories though
Dan/CorkyJr
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u571!
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Das Boot
Because it's not another Hollywood rewrite of history, it's realistic and sticks to the true story of a U-Boat patrol especally the directors version.
There's no propergander, no BS,no love stories and some hero saving the free world.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Furball
u571!
You have to be kidding me? That's probably one of the worst movies ever made other then for the sub.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Gixer
You have to be kidding me? That's probably one of the worst movies ever made other then for the sub.
...-Gixer
you are the worst! you should be ashamed to discredit those brave american sailors stealing the enigma machine. shame on you.
u571 was the best!
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Originally posted by Furball
you are the worst! you should be ashamed to discredit those brave american sailors stealing the enigma machine. shame on you.
u571 was the best!
:rofl
You have to be kidding me.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Gixer
:rofl
You have to be kidding me.
...-Gixer
no.
you suck.
u571 is the best film ever.
i dare you to find one historical innaccuracy there.
america won the war by stealing the enigma machine.
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LOL!
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Originally posted by Furball
no.
you suck.
u571 is the best film ever.
i dare you to find one historical innaccuracy there.
america won the war by stealing the enigma machine.
LMAO
U-571 was sunk off Western Ireland by an Australian Sunderland in 1944
The whole movie is completely fictitious (typical hollywood BS) the US had nothing to do at all with the capture of Enigma untill the last 10 months of the war when they captured U-505
Enigma was captured from U-110 by the British Destroyer Bulldog in 1941 and is still regarded as the most important capture of the entire war.
I'm sure your just taking the pi** and the movie was good for it's effects but that's about it. As far as histoy it scores a zero. Though luckly they did have sense enough to credit the crew of the Bulldog for the engima capture at the end credits of the movie.
...-Gixer
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Hey seagoon Danger UXB was great, but what about Escape from Colditz, or Piece of Cake.
Did you ever see "Over Here " Very funny take on Anglo American relations during WW2
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Shhhhh! I agree with yah. was just tossin dookie inta Saur's cream of wheat. ;)
I see your dookie and raise you a nookie.
(http://photos1.blogger.com/img/30/2112/640/lg-pin-up6.jpg)
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Enigma was captured from...
Marian Rejewski, Jerzy Rozycki, Henryk Zygalski and other cryptoanalysts from BS4, broke into Kriegsmarine code in November 1932.
By the end of December 1932 Reichswehr Enigma code was partly broken by Marian Rejewski.
Fully decrypted Enigma texts were read by BS4 since mid January 1933.
During Roehm's Putsch in June 1934 Enigma messages were read within minutes from their interception.
During two weeks long cryptographic exercises organised at BS4 in January 1938 up to 75 percent of secret German communication was decrypted within hours from interception.
Wehrmacht correspondence was decrypted as efficiently up to November 1938 and Sicherheitsdienst up to 1st July 1939. Once Chi-Dienst upgraded German Enigmas BS4 lost its possibilities and between November 1938 and Summer 1939 only one in ten Wehrmacht despatch was read.
In July 1939 BS4 shared its secrets with GC&CS and cypher section of the French SR.
In October 1939 evacuated from Poland BS4 codebreakers resumed their work in France as Equipe Z
On 17th January 1940 Equipe Z as the first Allied codebreaking team broke wartime Enigma daily key and immediately passed its findings to Bletchley Park. Bletchley Park began its mass codebreaking work.
Equipe Z was active until November 1942 when Wehrmacht occupied Vichy and German RDF vehicles were spotted near its premise.
In total Poles decrypted Enigma cypher for ten years from December 1932 until November 1942.
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I went to a lecture on the Enigma machine, damn fascinating bit of kit. Afterwards they let you have a go on one too! Amazing when you think what history this machine had!!
Seagoon/Skydancer, ever remember "Secret Army"? What used to be my favourite WW2 series - it was about the Belgian resistance (and what 'Allo 'Allo was based on!!! :))
As for Das Boot, they actually built a a real U-Boat for that film. It's in the studios not far from where I live, and I really should go and visit it sometime!
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Has anyone mentioned some of the great Russian WW2 movies?
Come & See
Torpedo Planes
My Name is Ivan?
I was 19 also excellent, but German i think
i saw Cross of Iron up the list. Anyone else think Oliver Stone got most of Platton from Cross of Iron?
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Just wish I could afford to get it on DVD...
- SEAGOON
Uh.. afford? How much does it cost, $1000 or what?
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Originally posted by Gixer
I'm sure your just taking the pi**
...-Gixer
;)
need a dambusters film involving b17's to take the piss out of next.
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I don't post often, but I will say that y'all suck bad because you didn't mention The Ultimate WW2 Fictitious But Accurate Air Combat Film Ever Created
Twelve O'Clock High
(http://www.teachwithmovies.org/guides/twelve-oclock-high-DVDcover.jpg)
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If you liked 12 o'clock High then you'll love Angels One Five.
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Originally posted by Replicant
If you liked 12 o'clock High then you'll love Angels One Five.
"Angels One Five"? Never heard of it. Is that a movie or a tv show?
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Originally posted by Siaf__csf
Uh.. afford? How much does it cost, $1000 or what?
Siaf,
"Afford." As in "at present I cannot afford the significant grief a $50 charge on my credit card bill for a DVD series would earn me."
Our budget is currently so brittle that my wife has been making all the stuff for our 3 year olds "pirate birthday party" by hand and his presents are all going to be of the dollar store variety. Considering that most of this is the fall-out from having to pay both the $500 deductible on an accident that occurred while Daddy was driving and the monstrous costs of fixing Daddy's terrible English teeth, I'll be laying off buying things like oh... cigars, single malts and DVDs for quite some time. Blame a highly developed self preservation instinct.
- SEAGOON
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Best flying scenes.. without doubt; Deep Blue Sea.
The best part was then the mutant shark ate Samual L. Jackson's spitfire.
-Sik
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Originally posted by Seagoon
Siaf,
"Afford." As in "at present I cannot afford the significant grief a $50 charge on my credit card bill for a DVD series would earn me."
Our budget is currently so brittle that my wife has been making all the stuff for our 3 year olds "pirate birthday party" by hand and his presents are all going to be of the dollar store variety. Considering that most of this is the fall-out from having to pay both the $500 deductible on an accident that occurred while Daddy was driving and the monstrous costs of fixing Daddy's terrible English teeth, I'll be laying off buying things like oh... cigars, single malts and DVDs for quite some time. Blame a highly developed self preservation instinct.
- SEAGOON
my dad is a cigar importer. if you will send me your email I would be pleased to send you a box of your favorite smokes as a courtesy for the interesting stuff you post on here.
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Originally posted by storch
my dad is a cigar importer. if you will send me your email I would be pleased to send you a box of your favorite smokes as a courtesy for the interesting stuff you post on here.
WOW Storch!
Now that has to be one of the (if not the) kindest offers I have ever received via the internet and one which I will gladly accept. You have my most sincere and heartfelt thanks. Cigars are a rare pleasure for me, and one which also makes for great times of reflection, relaxation, and fellowship.
You can email me at: MY EMAIL ADDRESS (ajwebb@providencepca.com)
Thanks again, your kind offer really did make my day... :aok
- SEAGOON
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speaking of DVDs, anyone know why there is no The Fighting Lady DVD yet? i'd love to have that footage in a format more conducive to slow-mo & freeze-frame than VHS is
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not sure, id like to know if "Midway" is out on DVD. Im trying to find it, but not having any luck, same with "The Battle of the Bulge". I know Battle of Bulge is out but im having a very hard time finding it.
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Many of Dark Blue World's air-to-air scenes were taken from the extended Battle of Britain film (originally out takes). That's why the new air-to-air footage had to have the same squadron codes to make it all fit in. I have an article about it somewhere in one of my aircraft magazines, but they're back in the UK! :(
gofaster:
Angels One Five
PLOT DESCRIPTION
"Angels One Five" is the cognomen bestowed upon a group of WW II British fighter pilots. The squadron leader is Tiger Small (Jack Hawkins), who is taken out of commission after an accident. Despite the protests from his fellow flyboys, Tiger insists upon taking to the air again, thereby setting the stage for the film's exciting and inspirational finale. Angels One Five differs from other combat films in that the battles generally take place offscreen; the progress of the principal characters is relayed to the audience via radio reports and control-room charts. If this sounds dull and static, it isn't: in fact, Angels One Five is among the best of the "Battle of Britain" war epics. ~ Hal Erickson, All Movie Guide
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Originally posted by EagleEyes
not sure, id like to know if "Midway" is out on DVD. Im trying to find it, but not having any luck, same with "The Battle of the Bulge". I know Battle of Bulge is out but im having a very hard time finding it.
EagleEyes, check this out.
Midway - http://www.playusa.com/playusa.asp?searchtype=r1title&searchstring=midway&page=search
Battle of the Bulge - http://www.playusa.com/playusa.asp?page=title&r=R1&title=619935
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To Hell and Back
Midway
Battle of the Bulge
Saving Private Ryan
Band of Brothers
The Longest Day
The Big Red One
Tora Tora Tora and Das Boot are OK.
Pearl Harbor I liked about 20 mins of it.
I keep going back to Band of Brothers about every other month or so for some reason. I guess that would make it my favorite.
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In Harms Way
God is my Co-pilot
The Fighting Lady
Battle of Britain
There was a cool old movie about a P-47 unit, but I can't remember the name. It may have been Fighter Squadron.
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Shifty, I think I saw that, was it in colour as well? I remember seeing loads and loads of RL gun camera footage in, possibly, that film.
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Yeah I really wish i could remember the name.:)
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Originally posted by Rino
I sorta like Thunderbolt, filmed during war. It's a documentary
filmed out of Sardinia and very well done.
Rhino nailed yer P-47 flick further upthread. It's 'Thunderbolt'.
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Thanks Hangtime.
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Review:
Often times film making from the war slips into propaganda and flag waving. This film instead shows the cold hard truth of a fighter group working out of Corsica in 1944. The personal, humanized glimpses of real men instead of lantern jawed actors as they go on about their days, living their daily lives worrying about who won't come back. The shooting style is from on board cameras from several points on the planes and shows so many real mission realities from a normal fighter sweep over Italy including coldly shooting up innocent farmhouses in search of one that's not so innocent and plowing any thing that moves in the daylight.
At some point as you watch this you go through so many emotions from the shock of realizing just how young these pilots are to being mystified about how they can be so cold as they light up the Italian country side to a sad understanding as director William Wyler shows you what would never be shown in a Frank Capra's "Why We Fight" movies, the charred body of a Jug pilot being pulled from the burning wreckage of his fighter with a hook. The end scene of the pilots and crews falling over drunk makes complete sense.
This film is much more poignant than Wyler's later film "Memphis Belle" which while good shows the touch of war time censors. Released in 1945, after the war in Europe was over, "Thunderbolt" drives home the very human costs of war.
Link to the movie (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0038171/)
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Rhino nailed yer P-47 flick further upthread. It's 'Thunderbolt'.
"great way to find a train"
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1. Battleground (1949)
2. The Longest day
3. Band of Brothers
4. Sands of Iwo Jima
5. Saving Private Ryan (only the first and last parts of the move that capture the chaos of infantry combat.)
The frontal assult on the MG nest was unrealistic.
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Hogan's Heroes was the best and most accurate portrayal of WWII ever made.
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I saw Empire of The Sun on HD Net a couple of weeks ago. I had forgotten what a powerful film it is. The scene where the Mustangs raid the airfield is awesome. There are so many great scenes in that film and the cinematography is incredible. It may not be my favorite WWII film of all time (B o B or Private Ryan is right up there) but I highly reccomend everyone to see it.
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Originally posted by scottydawg
Hogan's Heroes was the best and most accurate portrayal of WWII ever made.
lol:D
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What, we're not allowed to talk about WWII movies anymore?
Jeez, Mr. Moderator, sorry ;)
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Originally posted by scottydawg
What, we're not allowed to talk about WWII movies anymore?
Jeez, Mr. Moderator, sorry ;)
Even though I'm breaking Rule 6- Members are asked to not act as "back seat moderators". Issues with any breach of rules should be brought to HTC's attention via email at support@hitechcreations.com.
13- Do not punt topics. Punting would be making a non-substantive post for the express purpose of bring the thread to the top of the thread list.
But I'm guessing you already knew it.
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zOMG MP44 gonna go nuts on both of youse
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How is my post non-substantive?
I loved Hogan's Heroes. Didn't you?
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Originally posted by scottydawg
But I love Hogan's Heroes. Don't you?
I know Nothing!