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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Gunslinger on May 31, 2005, 06:02:16 PM
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I know some of you hate Sean Hanity but I think you'll actually hate his guest more. This guy is an ultra melon that needs to catch a beating. I'm all for free speech but even speech that's free has consequences. http://vinceautmorire.typepad.com/crook2.mpg(this link was working earlier...check back later)
Here's these moron's website:
http://www.forsakethetroops.net/
These guys have NO CLUE what they are talking about and NO CLUE how military housing/pay scale works.
From their website:
Our underlying problem is this: the military is a lifestyle these morons chose. What idiot risks their life for a country? It's what they chose. Hopefully, they knew in their hearts this is abusing taxpayers' money, and they enlisted anyway. So...Forsake our Troops! Let 'em die in combat-- we don't need their ilk in this country!
U.S. Soldier= Poster child for retroactive abortion
NINE MORE MARINES' CAREERS BLOW UP IN THEIR FACES
Don't military pukes learn anything? Nine more Marines bite the big one in combat. Stupid is as stupid does! http://www.forsakethetroops.net/news_stories.html
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They're idiots.
Can't you ignore them?
edit: I love the title.
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I wanted to see who Micheal Crook was so I clicked on the link to his site.
Private Site: Login Please
Michael Crook's Official Website is now a private site. Therefore, you must login.
If you have not been granted a username and password, kindly go **** yourself.
Was what his page is. Not surprising.
Unfortunately there is nothing that can be done over this other than get angry or just ignore them and not let their voice mean anything.
I'll go with ignore and let them return to being insignicant nothings.
-SW
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sniper training targets.
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True but it really angers me to know end that the vary people that defend their right to freedom are being called scum.
GRRRRRRRRR If I ever see him in public I'd probably give him a beating.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
True but it really angers me to know end that the vary people that defend their right to freedom are being called scum.
GRRRRRRRRR If I ever see him in public I'd probably give him a beating.
That's illegal.
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Originally posted by hawker238
That's illegal.
It'd be my 1st offense, I'd get off easy;)
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"True but it really angers me to know end that the vary people that defend their right to freedom are being called scum.
GRRRRRRRRR If I ever see him in public I'd probably give him a beating."
That's kind of wierd. Those people are there to defend his right to free speech (among others), and then you want coerce him out of exercising that right that they are defending...Gunslinger is teh neneamy!
"I believe in free speech but......"
You either do our you don't.
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I guess what the dude is trying to get at...
If there were no soldiers, who are you going to get to fight a war?
But to blantantly disrespectful to any man or woman is just wrong.
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Originally posted by BlckMgk
But to blantantly disrespectful to any man or woman is just wrong.
Time to shut down the board then.
Hey, Skuzzy?
Skuzzy!
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you do realize its essentially a largescale troll right?
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Gunslinger,
In 1984 Memorial Day I was in the Starry Plow Irish bar in Berkeley CA. I was at the bar with an aquaintence when I toasted our sevice men through history. Being an Irish bar there were quite a few gents who answered the toast with their own. The aquaitance had a different take on the issue. He pipes up that they were all fools for dieing in wars for this country and that the Militairy was wrong for fighting the wars. Six men picked him up and ussered him out the bar so quick it was surreal. I didn't see him for a few months. Seems he spent at least one month in the hospitol curtosey of six vets of different militairy backgrounds from the IRA to an ex Rhodesian officer. They didn't care whose Militairy was dissed. You respect the fallen for having been there.
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Ehhhh
The IRA guy respected the Brits for having been there?
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They were drinking in the same bar wern't they? They respect the risks they each take, not the politics behind it. Anyone willing to die to protect others deserves respect, no matter what their personal reason for assuming the risk.
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Sorry Liz, I don't see in the post where Brit military types were drinking in an Irish bar, in 1984, with IRA types.
I mean, if this guy had said, "Anyone who joins the British military is asking for a trip to N. Ireland, and so they deserve what they get," in an Irish pub and all, he'd have ended up in hospital for a month?
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If you start looking on the Internet for Micheal Crook you will find that his web host has kicked him off and earlier "he" says someone hacked his web site and posted on it that he had been killed by 2 members of the militairy in front of his wife and kid. Turns out to be a hoax.
This person seems to be a bit distrubed and lacking for attention if you read interviews of him on blogs. Mothers of service men have written into the bolgs saying they are so pissed that they would be happy if their sons stomped him into dogsnot when they get back from Iraq. This boy done pissed off "Mothers". Don't piss off a "Mother", insult the mens dogs, wives, or car. But not Momma..................... :)
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Originally posted by bustr
Gunslinger,
In 1984 Memorial Day I was in the Starry Plow Irish bar in Berkeley CA. I was at the bar with an aquaintence when I toasted our sevice men through history. Being an Irish bar there were quite a few gents who answered the toast with their own. The aquaitance had a different take on the issue. He pipes up that they were all fools for dieing in wars for this country and that the Militairy was wrong for fighting the wars. Six men picked him up and ussered him out the bar so quick it was surreal. I didn't see him for a few months. Seems he spent at least one month in the hospitol curtosey of six vets of different militairy backgrounds from the IRA to an ex Rhodesian officer. They didn't care whose Militairy was dissed. You respect the fallen for having been there.
That's awesome. For those not from our area, the Plow is a very "lefty" joint. Fortunately class and political orientation are independent of each other. :aok
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Originally posted by bustr
[B from the IRA [/B]
When does the IRA count as a military background? Or would you count one of Osama's men in with this lot as well?
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Typical Hannity BS to take some fringe A-hole and pass him off as some kind of liberal spokesperson.
Hannity ain't any better than this jerk.
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Originally posted by midnight Target
Typical Hannity BS to take some fringe A-hole and pass him off as some kind of liberal spokesperson.
Hannity ain't any better than this jerk.
One day, I'm gonna find you, Midnight...
.. and buy yah a steak dinner and a buncha beers.
BTW, can you shoot me some more info in the 19' side loader toyhauler?
Tks!
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you do realize its essentially a largescale troll right?
Right on Vort. Kind of a lefty Michael Savage. The cruelest thing you could do to this ultra melon is just ignore him. If Fox had ignored him he wouldn't even have the 5 minutes or so of fame he's now going to get.
Charon
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Originally posted by SuperDud
It'd be my 1st offense, I'd get off easy;)
Wouldnt be mine. (though not in many years)
But some things are worth breaking the law for.
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Originally posted by vorticon
you do realize its essentially a largescale troll right?
May very well be.
but I dont think you are going to find many if any on this board who can agree with this guy no matter where they stand on the war
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
"...I dont think you are going to find many if any on this board who can agree with this guy no matter where they stand on the war."
Well what an accomplishment. Get an ultra melon on the air, and make Inanity look like a prince by way of comparison. The coup de grace is when someone uses that oh-my-god-explosive result in the service of any comment on free speech.
"I believe in free speech, but...." <--- that's hilarious.
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INcredible
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Originally posted by Nash
"I believe in free speech, but...." <--- that's hilarious.
The end of that sentence as I said earlier is "but even free speech has consiquences"
It's not beleive in it or not......somone has the right to say "FIRE" in a large public building but when people get trampled heading for the door it is his "FREE SPEECH" that was responsible for those deaths.
Call me a troll I don't care this genuinly pisses me off. To think that an E-1 in the US military is "overpaid" is just redicluis. I beleive in free speech but.......I don't have to like what they say and will defend that right.
THATS RIGHT, call me a troll all you want but EVERY DAY I defend the notion of freedom in my country just like million others. I defend these ultra melons right to say what they want to say. I beleive in free speech but......If I ever met this guy, I'd hand him a beating.
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I gotcher back, Guns.
illegtimi non carborundum.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
I gotcher back, Guns.
illegtimi non carborundum.
Thanks
psst....google says the correct spelling is Illegitimi Non Carborundum I had to look it up. :aok
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"I defend these ultra melons right to say what they want to say. I beleive in free speech but......If I ever met this guy, I'd hand him a beating." <--- That's hilarious.
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Originally posted by Nash
"I defend these ultra melons right to say what they want to say. I beleive in free speech but......If I ever met this guy, I'd hand him a beating." <--- That's hilarious.
He can be taught!
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Free speech and expression are not a free ticket to public acceptance.
You just cannot be sanctioned by the government for expressing those ideas.
The public is as free to show it's disapproval of your ideas as you are to express them.
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Sure, but getting all high and mighty by saying that everyday you defend the people's right to free speech and then immediately saying that you would deck those very same people if they said something you didn't like is.... well it's hilarious.
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Originally posted by Nash
Sure, but getting all high and mighty by saying that everyday you defend the people's right to free speech and then immediately saying that you would deck those very same people if they said something you didn't like is.... well it's hilarious.
and the problem with that is??????
I am reffered to by this guy as "scum""leaches"and being told to abandon my unit and I'm supposed to like it??????
High and mighty I am not, I don't approve of what they have to say and AGAIN will defend their right to say it. That doesnt mean I don't want to punch this guy in the face multiple times. It's absolutly insulting Nash.
EDIT:
This is not about politics this is my life. I AM a US servicman. This guys website is directed at me and everyone else serving. I'm being told I'm over worked, underpaid, scum, a govt. leech, and basically a waist of govt tax dollars. Why would I not get angry at that. I could be doing alot of other things in life making a hell of a lot more money but that's not why I do this job. To say I'm overpaid is insane at best. You can take your high and mighty comment and shove it up your bellybutton for all I care Nash, this is personal.
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Yup. It's a wonderful place... fulla contradictions, inequites and insensitive salamanders with massive 'tudes that have the ear of the president.
Wouldn't trade living here for anyplace else.
... unless they had free quality beer, weed and jaquzzi's for every citizen.
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Well if you find that insulting, then thank god you are not a politician or a lawyer. There are more than a few good jokes that start out "three lawyers walk into a bar...".
But yeah, much like you, I would bet that the lawyers don't like the insults. And they, like you, defend your right to insult them.
But I'm sure that they, at least, draw a distinction between not liking the remarks and saying that while they do believe in free speech, would rather it not happen.
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Hmmm... it doesn't take much talent to be shocking and controversial. Michael Moore and Anne Coulter do it better.
Yawn.
This guy is probably sitting at home watching his traffic count and giggling like a girl at the thought of driving complete strangers into a vein popping, spittle spraying rage.
:aok
God bless America.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
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psst....google says the correct spelling is Illegitimi Non Carborundum I had to look it up. :aok
LOL.. if i manage to no not mispell more than one outta six consecutive words you can bet I'm either pissed or sober.
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Originally posted by Nash
But I'm sure that they, at least, draw a distinction between not liking the remarks and saying that while they do believe in free speech, would rather it not happen.
That's were you are wrong. Show me in this thread were I said anything remotly against free speech. I said I'd throw this guy a beating but that's not saying I'd do it to shut him up.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
LOL.. if i manage to no not mispell more than one outta six consecutive words you can bet I'm either pissed or sober.
it was more for the fact that I had to look it up than pointing out an error.
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Maybe we're just looking at it differently.
You say that you defend someone's right to say something, then pummel them for excercising it, and still call it free speech.
By your measure, why don't we say that China has free speech. And that if China pummels one of it's citizens for excercising that same right, then it's not because there isn't free speech. It is just because they disagree with what was said. No big deal.
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Originally posted by Nash
Maybe we're just looking at it differently.
You say that you defend someone's right to say something, then pummel them for excercising it, and still call it free speech.
By your measure, why don't we say that China has free speech. And that if China pummels one of it's citizens for excercising that same right, then it's not because there isn't free speech. It is just because they disagree with what was said. No big deal.
Nash,
Lets say this........If I was at a .50 cent concert wearing a T-shirt that said "I hate N***ers" I would expect to get my bellybutton beat and possible killed.
Now with the exception of death were my civil rights violated????not really I had it coming just like this guy. Free speech is just that free. You can say whatever you want to who ever you want. That doesnt mean your not going to get in trouble or people arent going to be angry at you for saying it.
I don't understand you china analagy as I am not a country and I don't set policy.
I will say it again. This guy can say what ever he wants. That doesnt mean I don't want to nore wouldnt hand him a beating if I ever met him. And yes I will defend his right to free speech just like anyone elses. I'm using free speech right now to speak out against him.
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Well Gunslinger, I guess I can only really explain it by saying this:
It is all well and good to extol the virtues of free speech. But it means nothing if you do not understand nor respect its intrinsic value.
The willingness to defend it despite any personal affront you may feel towards the actual expression of it is virtuous.
The willingness to punish the expression of it through physical violence if that expression isn't agreeable to you is not.
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wow, that site is the stinky bait. what were they thinking?
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The guy is represents 1 of 296,255,100 viewpoints in America. It's probably not even his actual viewpoint. You can find a handful of people who believe just about anything.
The moon landings never happened...
Aliens are fighting wars in earth orbit that the government is hiding...
All countries in the Middle East should be nuked...
Just ignore him!
How much better off would we be if we just ignored:
- Paris Hilton
- Pauley Shore
- Brad and Jennifer
- The next crappy remake of a Hollywood classic
- 99 percent of all talk radio
- News "pundits"
- 99 percent of all attack campaign ads
- The rest of the Hollywood "A" list and the East Coast socialite scene
The list goes on. Ignore them and they go away.
Charon
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I will say it again. This guy can say what ever he wants. That doesnt mean I don't want to nore wouldnt hand him a beating if I ever met him. And yes I will defend his right to free speech just like anyone elses. I'm using free speech right now to speak out against him.
And you would rightfully be thrown in jail for assault as just another criminal, and prerhaps be rightfully sued for the consquences of your actions.
Charon
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Aw...I don't know about that Charon...a good smack in the mouth can often teach a smart-arse some manners.
Some would consider the result worth a couple of nights in jail, or a fine, or both.
If that clod really has such contempt for our fighting men in the military, he should have the guts to say so to their faces. I'd pay money to see the results of that.
But of course, he doesn't have the guts.
The type of speech he is exercising goes outside the original spirit of the type of "freedom of expression" touted by our Founding Fathers. They envisioned it as the open and respectful discourse of public and political events.
The type of discourse he is practicing is symptomatic of the coarsening of American culture and speech in recent decades. This coarsening of dialogue is reflected in the cursing, name calling, and vitriolic, biased, political commentary engaged in by some on these boards.
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Of course one could view his discriptive words such as "scumbags" and "morons" as "defamation of character" against all military members.
For what we put up with from our daily operations to the way some civilians view us..we deserve every cent we get and more. We do it for the most part without complaint.
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The type of speech he is exercising goes outside the original spirit of the type of "freedom of expression" touted by our Founding Fathers. They envisioned it as the open and respectful discourse of public and political events.
I disagree. Our founding fathers were rather harsh in their speech concerning King George and Mother England. I think they burned some flags and some effigies as well. Their speech was fairly harsh towards each other, brutal at times and dirty. Politics, for example, is tame today by comparison to even the late 1700s and certainly the 1800s.
The founding fathers allowed for a higher tolerance of freedom of speech (short of a direct, clear, tangible national threat) than many are comfortable with today, because they experienced first hand the personal dangers of expressing "unpopular" thought.
If you hit this ultra melon you should go to jail (porportinate to the assault). He has a right to be heard, just as a Michale Savage has a right to be heard -- and ignored. No one had to watch Fox news, and no one has to click on his Web site. We're not Nazi Germany, Soviet Russia, Iran, North Korea or any numer of ****holes countries where only correct thoughts are allowed. And you can't allow yourself to start down that road. Freedom isn't easy, clean, orderly or neat (or particularly secure, for that matter). There are downsides along with the upsides. Get rid of the downsides and you start to have the type of orderly, proper society that would make Hitler proud.
Charon
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Originally posted by Nash
Well Gunslinger, I guess I can only really explain it by saying this:
It is all well and good to extol the virtues of free speech. But it means nothing if you do not understand nor respect its intrinsic value.
The willingness to defend it despite any personal affront you may feel towards the actual expression of it is virtuous.
The willingness to punish the expression of it through physical violence if that expression isn't agreeable to you is not.
I never said I was perfect either.;)
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Nice post, Charon.
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Originally posted by Charon
The list goes on. Ignore them and they go away.
Charon
to bad that didnt worked back in the 30 when Hitler got into power,
they turned the other way and listend more and more to his lies,
and before they realized what happened free speech was verboten.
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Sorry dont believe someone can mention respect and the IRA in the same post :mad:
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you just did?:confused:
I understand what you are trying to say though.
But it is touching 6 people of widely different beliefs, some even hated enemys coming together to put a vegan-smelly-hippy in the hospital for a month. heartwarming even.
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Hi Pooh
Yep couldve worded that better ,but i was very angry and in this age of the war against terror i cant understand anyone glorifying anything thease murderers have ever done ,and that is all they are
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this is fantastic.
I WILL KILL OTHER PEOPLE TO DEFEND YOUR RIGHT TO SAY SOMETHING I MIGHT NOT LIKE, BUT AS SOON AS YOU DO I WILL KICK YOUR ASS!!! GRRR!!!
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Yup.
I love this country!
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Its amazing how people can take something simple, and twist it around.
That guys a POS.
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The part of his website that really made my eyes pop out in his contention that the military are "overpaid."
I know of JAG lawyers who aren't even earning a third of what they would if they simply resigned their commissions and began chasing ambulances in a private practice. The same is true of the various army doctors and dentists. The average SF guy can instantly inflate his salary at least two fold by quiting and going to work for a private security firm like Blackwater. These guys are called upon to spend months away from their homes and families in countries they have no desire to be in, constantly in danger of being shot, run-over, or blown-up and all generally for salaries and benefits below what an assistant manager at Walmart receives.
Admittedly many join the military because it seems like the only option available, or because they want to pay for school, or because they believe the inflated promises of a recruiter. But the most dedicated join because they believe that someone has to, it is in that sense an act of service rendered to their countrymen and their families. However, there is a growing feeling amongst servicemen and women that their sacrifices are not appreciated, that they, and not the terrorists they are fighting are being made out to be the enemy, and that nothing good that they accomplish or achieve will ever be reported. This is having a morale busting effect, and more and more men I know are not re-upping. Many see the insidious "babykiller" mentality returning - especially in the media - and have no desire to serve if it means becoming a universal hate symbol. Frankly, I don't blame 'em. They are painfully aware that the Arab Umma and media are far more supportive of Al Qaeda than the US populace and media are of them.
- SEAGOON
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Originally posted by Furious
this is fantastic.
I WILL KILL OTHER PEOPLE TO DEFEND YOUR RIGHT TO SAY SOMETHING I MIGHT NOT LIKE, BUT AS SOON AS YOU DO I WILL KICK YOUR ASS!!! GRRR!!!
yup, it may be ironic but at least I'm true to myself.
Seagoon,
when I was a Private E-1 my check was $235 every two weeks. This was in 96 and I thaught that was good enough cause I had no bills. FLash forward 5 years and I am an ATC RADAR tech E-5 living in the barracks and $750 every two weeks keeps me happy.
My FAA counter parts were being hired on at $65-80K a year. The military was getting me Dirt Cheap!
one thing this guy doesnt take into account is alot of major pay raises happend between 1998 and 2000. The military had to, the job market was booming. Food baggers were getting $500 hiring bonuses MC "d"s was paying $10/hour in some areas and that's just the start of it. The military could not compete in the job market because of the low pay. They had to adapt if they wanted to meet recruting retention goals.
Of course the market is alot different now but w/ 10 years experience I now only make slightly less than my civilian counterpart does starting out.
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Take the hook out.
I think its a bad joke.
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Originally posted by Silat
Take the hook out.
I think its a bad joke.
No joke this guy was even on hannity and combs..though hannity didn't really let him speak/
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He couldn't get on the "Gravy Train" so now he's attacking it..what a little whiny ******.....freedom of speech does not free you from the reactions of others and only the government has to respect that right I do not.
Apparently, he was (briefly) a member of RightNation.US and stalked someone there.
The nutcase apparently TRIED to get into the military and was REJECTED. He wrote the following letter to Press of Atlantic City on Friday, June 11, 1999. It was published on his old website, michaelcrook.com:
To my dismay, after a mere two weeks at Fort Benning, despite the fact that I passed every test required to ship to a basic training unit, I was told I was medically unfit for training. On May 7, a month after I left, I walked back into the Philadelphia airport and happily into the waiting arms of my girlfriend, but on my way to being out of the Army.
To this day, I am fighting to get back in, through a congressional inquiry and any existing appeals processes. Granted, it has only been a little more than a month since I've been out, but it feels like an eternity.
My reason for sharing this is simple. It's apparant that too many people are taking military service for granted.
The various branches of the military must practically bribe people to join in the form of sign-up bonuses (mine was $3,000, but I'm being quite honest when I saw that didn't cross my mind when I made the phone call), assistance with college money, and other benefits. These things are all well and good, but they are not good reasons to join the military.
hether it be the Army, Marines, Navy, the Air Force, or the Coast Guard, our country wouldn't be where it is today without the valuable service of the countless men and women who have served.
Many people in Southern New Jersey and elsewhere don't stop and think about the pride that goes along with serving.
I can't describe the pride that I feel every time I see the flag being raised. I felt it a privilege to salute while the flag was being retired at dusk. I can feel the mutual pride and respect when I salute an officer or observe a salute being rendered.
Every time I hear the national anthem or the Lee Greenwood song "God Bless the USA", I feel pride in my heart.
At the same time, I feel sadness, because I know I'm not on the training field finishing my basic training as I should be. I feel jealousy fill up within me every time I pass a serviceperson in the mall or elsewhere. In a few cases, I've stopped and spoken briefly with them and reminded them how privileged they are to be serving out country.
And that is what people should think about when they sign up for the military. It's not just about the pay, the benefits, and the "perks". It's mainly about defending our country and making sure our freedom stays intact.
"Freedom isn't free" may be a cliche, but it is very true. Many people, men and women, have died to ensure that we can listen to the music that we do, say whatever we want, and have all the various freedoms that we exercise practically every day and take for granted.
Perhaps in November when we observe Veterans Day, and when next May brings Memorial Day, we can think beyond the day off of work and school and remember not only the people who have died in service to our country, but also the countless others who voluntarily leave behind their loved ones to serve in the military.
Hat tip to GI Jane at RightNation.US for all of the info.
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Originally posted by ASTAC
No joke this guy was even on hannity and combs..though hannity didn't really let him speak/
But Hannity is a joke:)
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wrote him a nice letter..we'll see if he posts it to the site.
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Originally posted by ASTAC
Every time I hear the national anthem or the Lee Greenwood song "God Bless the USA", I feel pride in my heart.
Hmmm... every time I hear Lee Greenwood, I feel this piercing headache in the top of my skull. ;)
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Originally posted by Sandman
Hmmm... every time I hear Lee Greenwood, I feel this piercing headache in the top of my skull. ;)
Everytime I hear Lee Greenwood there's a plane performing acrobatics just overhead. ;-)
Whatever happened to John Philip Sousa? Why must patriotism be so danged schmaltzy these days? Bring back the Star Spangled Banner! Gimmee Brass Bands, John Wayne, and Remember the Alamo any day...
- SEAGOON
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Originally posted by Seagoon
Whatever happened to John Philip Sousa? Why must patriotism be so danged schmaltzy these days? Bring back the Star Spangled Banner! Gimmee Brass Bands, John Wayne, and Remember the Alamo any day...
- SEAGOON
Cool... it's not just me then.
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I like schmaltz... go figure.
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can't think of a better way to readily identify the whackos, other than the freedom of expression.
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It was Halderman. He wanted all the strawberries.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
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psst....google says the correct spelling is Illegitimi Non Carborundum I had to look it up. :aok
Try looking up the countless words YOU mess up on, on this thread alone...
:D
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Originally posted by Red Tail 444
Try looking up the countless words YOU mispell, on this thread alone...
:D
yes no one has ever accused me of being a good speller. I pointed that out AS I SAID more for the fact that I had to look it up rather than it being mispelled. Good expression though.;) just wish I could pronounce it properly