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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: Nash on June 03, 2005, 10:12:46 PM
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Toad, or anyone else.... Whaddya got? I'm completely out of ideas.
Hegemony?
Backwards arsed conservatives foisting religious doctrine on a sympathetic government?
The rape of America by scoundrels?
The sad joke that is Iraq?
Actually, I've got one. I really have no idea where this one will go. But it could be interesting...
The psychology of people like you and me and everyone else who gets a rise out of politics.
Why is it that we do? Why is it that we pay so much attention to it? I mean, I've never been the type who gets out there and attends a rally, waving some sign. But I am passionate about it. For some gawdamned reason.
I would say that there exists a distinction between the way, for example, we follow it, and the way others do. That the contributions to the political posts here come from several levels of motives or reasons.
Just for example, many use a politician as their avatar, and along those lines, Eagler recently said something like "Which Democrats can you be a fan of? Which Democrat would you have as a poster on your wall?" as if to suggest that fandom was the driving force of the interest in politics. Bush as rock star, basically.
Others, such a lazs, view politics only as it pertains to how it effects their immediate surroundings. Never mind that car emissions effect everyone's health, or that riding without a helmet effects everyone's premiums, if there is any limit on what one can personally do, it is bad. I don't say this to argue an arguable point, but just to illustrate another's approach to politics.
Another, such as Gscholz, seems only to follow it in as much as it bears evidence to an already held belief.
Nuke follows it in a way that glosses over the minutia or pesky details, and instead uses it to help shape a grand or overall world view he holds. A great amount of idealism involved here.
Sandman views it with a healthy skepticism.
Funked thinks that pretty much any discussion of politics is verboten. And that any criticism of it can be simplistically reduced to an attack on Bush.
Hangtime... perhaps the most liberated from it all. He doesn't get handcuffed to any set ideology. Instead attacking this, attacking that. Supporting this, supporting that. Often conflicting, but that's okay. Never the distrust of motive with him. There is apparently none. Er.... except when it comes to France. Heh.
Martlet and his ilk... pure party-line regurgitation.
MT, always seemingly to fall just shy of the full investment into his own beliefs or opinions. Not a knock - that's a good thing.
All of the above is open to debate, of course, obviously. Just some notes dashed off to say that people come at politics through a variety of angles. And they all join together to form the political debate on this ubb. I haven't examined my own role in this, nor my compulsion to participate in the way that I do. I definitely will.
Whenever (and there's a lot of whatever) I hear words to the effect of "But you're Canadian, what can you do about it?" the immediate reaction in my mind is "But you're Oregonian (or whatever), what can you do about it?" Listen, the cold hard fact is that basically none of us can, or are doing, a damn thing about it. But we're drawn to the same thing anyways. The question is why?
So this thread is open ended. It is not about left or right. It's about giving a damn in the first place. Why we do it. Whatever.
(How's this, Toad? God knows I tried....)
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You said "ilk".
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I did indeed. :)
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Don't forget yourself, Nash: Willing to throw out an interesting thought, but reluctant to pursue a discussion of your topic.
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I'm not forgetting myself. It's just that I've never analyzed it. But hey, here we are.
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It takes a big man to cry, but it takes a bigger man to laugh at that man. -Jack Handy
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er... were you suggesting that I ignored any inference that VOR was just trying to make? If so, I thought he was making a joke or something. What did I miss?
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I'd like to see a nude opera, because when they hit those high notes, I bet you can really see it in those genitals. -Jack Handy
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Talking Politics is like boobies.
Sometimes hung up; eventually sags. What catches yer attention is often not 'real'. Sometimes looks better cloaked, always surprises when unvield. Can often tell the temperature by the reaction.. often better viewed from afar.
And if you can touch it, it's real.
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Here is my Ms. Lucy Analysis:
You fancy yourself Neo, but after having tried the red pill, you have decided that the blue one is your destiny, and that
hurts your feelings.
5 Cents, Please.
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If a kid asks where rain comes from, I think a cute thing to tell him is "God is crying." And if he asks why God is crying, another cute thing to tell him is "Probably because of something you did." -Jack Handy
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You're obviously feeling left out, Liz. But the particular motivation of particular people here wasn't really my point. It was just to ilustrate the spectrum. But just for you...
Liz: Enjoys intellectual debate and the conflict that comes with it. Is of a political bent only so far as it provides that debate. Not versed in the details that make up that debate, but only concerned that there is debate. Not disengenous about it, not deceptive, and a relatively strong advocate for whatever position he submits.
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Originally posted by Lizking
Don't forget yourself, Nash: Willing to throw out an interesting thought, but reluctant to pursue a discussion of your topic.
In Nash's defense, it's difficult to pursue any discussion around here. Between the non sequitur and straw man arguments, most threads are pulled off tangent.
I'll freely admit that I'm guilty of throwing a grenade into a discussion just to see it change course.
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You hit it perfectly. I will add the caveat that even though I advocate an issue strongly, I can change my mind. Fortunately, I am always right....
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What you fail to mention is that no matter what facts are presented they tend to not deter opinion from either side.
And the vicious cycle continues ad nauseum...
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Originally posted by Sandman
Between the non sequitur and straw man arguments, most threads are pulled off tangent.
Wouldn't pulling a thread off tangent bring it back on topic?
:D
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Or perhaps..
Dr. Wayne W. Dyer has researched intention as a force in the universe that allows the act of creation to take place. This book explores intention-not as something you do-but as an energy you're a part of. We're all intended here through the invisible power of intention. This is the first book to look at intention as a field of energy that you can access to begin co-creating your life with the power of intention.
Part I deals with the principles of intention, offering true stories and examples on ways to make the connection. Dr. Dyer identifies the attributes of theall-creating universal mind of intention as creative, kind, loving, beautiful, expanding, endlessly abundant, and receptive, explaining the importance of emulating this source of creativity. In Part II, Dr. Dyer offers an intention guidewith specific ways to apply the co-creating principles in daily life. Part III is an exhilarating description of Dr. Dyer’s vision of a world in harmony with the universal mind of intention.
I'm reading this one now and the deja vu experiences from earlier in my life are weirding me out.
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Unless it is a thread of tit photos, it will veer here and there, regardless.
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I LIVE for the non-sequiters.
(Mabel, grease up the cat.)
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Hey Toad.... I just finished reading that. It's good stuff.
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Nash, did you get the feeling you have "known" this stuff for a long, long time? Without being able to name it or categorize it or "put your finger on it"?
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Originally posted by Hangtime
I LIVE for the non-sequiters.
(Mabel, grease up the cat.)
When you die, if you get a choice between going to regular heaven or pie heaven, choose pie heaven. It might be a trick, but if it's not, mmmmmmm, boy. -Jack Handy
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I read this whole damned thread. I hate nash :D
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I love you too. :)
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Originally posted by Toad
Nash, did you get the feeling you have "known" this stuff for a long, long time? Without being able to name it or categorize it or "put your finger on it"?
Of course.
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Then you probably realize why I'm not too concerned over the recruiting totals. ;)
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Good intentions equals exactly dick.
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Originally posted by Toad
Then you probably realize why I'm not too concerned over the recruiting totals. ;)
Yup.
But it's still fun to interact. :)
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Originally posted by DiabloTX
When you die, if you get a choice between going to regular heaven or pie heaven, choose pie heaven. It might be a trick, but if it's not, mmmmmmm, boy. -Jack Handy
I get a choice?
and nash is canadian?
can I have a lollipop instead?
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When I met you Hang, I think I lived only a few miles from ya.
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talking politics except for how it affects personal freedom is silly... you say I don't care about how seatbelts or helmets effect your premiums for instance? I say it is a matter of personal freedom not just for me but for everyone. Have your premiums gone up or down since seat belt and helmet laws for instance?
they will screw you no matter what... why give em power over your lifestyle too? If the insurance company wants to charge me more for not wearing a helmet that is fine with me. this seems silly tho in light of the fact that I dropped the medical portion of my insurance at my agents suggestion since I have good personal coverage.
as for you... I think that liz has pretty much hit it... you seem to lack the courage or stamina to defend "your" ideas which I believe are simply a conglomerate of what you think makes you the most "with it" and "happening" mixed with some healthy distrust of government. I think that you are in a transitional stage... not yet ready to let go of the group you hang with but unwilling to simply accept their dogma. Sooo... you come here to get hammered.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
a conglomerate of what you think makes you the most "with it" and "happening" mixed with some healthy distrust of government. I think that you are in a transitional stage... not yet ready to let go of the group you hang with but unwilling to simply accept their dogma. Sooo... you come here to get hammered.
Yup.
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I don't mind a decent "hammering." It's interesting. I don't take anything personally.
As for "lacking the courage or stamina to defend my ideas", I would say that you don't appreciate the imbalance factor. Often times, all too often, it is simply my own self having to read, digest, and respond to 3+ people within a snap. All too often, I read "where'd you go?" when I'm actually responding to the guy two guys before him.
And often times... I'm pretty much done with it.
As for your "with it" comments (not new), it comes only from your sense of not being with it. I hold my political beliefs quite dearly. They have nothing to do with trend.
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Originally posted by Nash
And often times... I'm pretty much done with it.
Like now?
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What gives you that idea?
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naaa... I understand that.. believe it or not I have been in that position. Hard to believe I know but..
naa.. what I am talking about is that when confronted with evidence you flat out discount it with some really offhand remark like you will do your own study or some such .
I honestly think that you are in a transitional change and are using this board to help form your opinions. My guess is that you aren't getting much variety in thinking with the people you are around.
lazs
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Politics? We continually must choose between the lesser of two weevils.
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The basis of this thread, as I read it, is a broad explanation of various posters' moral and or political views. That's it in a nutshell. Wonderfully worded, well thought out, coherent to the nth degree...but not really saying much other than your own deep thoughts about others. And that alone scares the bejesus outta me. It's all good though, if a little freaky.
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Ok it's five in the morning near the end of the night shift. So my head is not necessarlily in gear. But here goes.
Politics does effect all of us whether we are interested in it or not. People who don't realise that are simply carried on the tide. Being interested in it gives the impression we can influence politics in some small way. As someone wise once said 'All politics is local'.
We all have our opinions and we know we are right, if not right then on the right track. The we come to this BB and see people expressing opinions which are clearly completely wrong. So we butt in and try to correct their reasoning. Surprisingly they argue instead of agreeing but we plough on regardless hoping to change someone's opinion to match ours. It never works because they read what they think you meant and throw it back at you in a corrupted form. So you end trying to explain what you originally said but they persist in believing what they think you said...........
As I said it's been a long night.
Maybe we just like arguing.
I like your mini analysis of certain characters on this bulletin board. It 's revealing about you as much as it it about them. But that is an example of completely misreading you intent in putting pixel to paper like Lizking did. I'll bet they'll love reading about themselves.
I hope that all makes sense.
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Ah, so you still remember my wanting to compare Washinton gun law stats. Cool.
I surely am in a transitional stage, as I hope to be every day throughout my life. To suggest that it is simply a going from one thing to another, and then that's it, is not really what I'm about.
I do use the board to help form my opinions. I use everything to to help inform my opinions. What of it?
I don't really talk politics with my friends.
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Is there really anything in Canadian politics to talk about? Other than the Quebecois?
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Originally posted by Toad
Politics? We continually must choose between the lesser of two weevils.
I know how tempting it is to believe that. And the reasons for just accepting that. But I haven't taken that leap. I know bad men exist. But I also know that a commitment to public life is a good thing. Despite the bad apples, despite some being misguided, I continue to believe that for many, it at least starts from a desire to do good. I encourage that, and remain unwilling to paint them all with the same brush.
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Originally posted by Toad
Is there really anything in Canadian politics to talk about? Other than the Quebecois?
Not really.
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bbbzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzrrrrttt tttttttttt.
The essence of modern politics is prostitution. When yer screwed by one, you at least get what yah paid for. The other lacks conviction and never satisfies.
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and... as I have said.. I only look at politics as they apply to personal freedom... mine or anyone elses. I have defended others personal freedoms here even when I have no interest in what they do and.... what they do may even cost me some.
that is my "transitional" my basic belief is that government is evil and personal freedom is the holy grail but I will transition my beliefs on what or what is not personal freedom based on learning about each case as it comes up.
you say you don't talk politics with your friends? I think you spoke to rapidly. if you think about it... political comments are constant amoung all groups.. to say that you don't talk politics it to admit that you are all in such agreement that you don't even notice.
lazs
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The good thing about the internet is that it gives practically everyone the opportunity to express their opinion and even influence events. That is what politics is supposed to do too. Or at least that is what politicians would have you believe. But really they have their agenda in mind all along. Good or bad.
The bad thing about the internet is that all the opinions you express are lost in a sea of white noise. If Plato, Aristotle or Socrates were alive today. The would probably have a web page and be ignored amongst all the babble and nonsense found in cyberworld.
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Originally posted by lazs2
you say you don't talk politics with your friends? I think you spoke to rapidly. if you think about it... political comments are constant amoung all groups.. to say that you don't talk politics it to admit that you are all in such agreement that you don't even notice.
lazs
Not really accurate. I upped and moved away from the city where I had friends in. Here, it's mostly about the co-workers. I don't discuss politics with them.
I appreciate your sense of personal freedom, but whenever one's sense of freedom collides with another's sense of personal freedom, a rule has to be made. Failing that, the bigger/stronger of them beats the crap out of the other.
So the rule gets made, and you get bent out of shape. And you do it ignoring the fact that if you were truly forced to exist in a world of survival of the fittest, you'd be dead.
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Because they would kick your ass?
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Originally posted by cpxxx
The bad thing about the internet is.... If Plato, Aristotle or Socrates were alive today. The would probably have a web page and be ignored amongst all the babble and nonsense found in cyberworld.
Hmm... true.
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Originally posted by Lizking
Because they would kick your ass?
Yeah.
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The essential rules were all made a long time ago. Most of the ones since then really haven't added anything to freedom, they've removed it to no real purpose.
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I feel left out :( Nash didn't politically anylize me and I interact with him all the time.
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Originally posted by Gunslinger
I feel left out :( Nash didn't politically anylize me and I interact with him all the time.
Don't worry, he's just exploring his feminine side. Give him a couple of minutes.
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Gunslinger? You are particularly apt to seeing a layer of reason to things that exists well below the surface. Despite the fact that your views, on surface, look somewhat mainstream, they are formed through the distrust of anything mainstream. Prone to conspiracy theories. Well intentioned.
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OMG... he's gone astrologer on us! RUN!
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Originally posted by Nash
Gunslinger? You are particularly apt to seeing a layer of reason to things that exists well below the surface. Despite the fact that your views, on surface, look somewhat mainstream, they are formed through the distrust of anything mainstream. Prone to conspiracy theories. Well intentioned.
awww....I think i'm gonna cry.....no....yup I'm gonna cry. Thanks Nash you crazy canadanadian....you made my night ;)
PS good write up too. :aok
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Hey, and shut the shreck up diablo you goof. You of quoting some bad SNL skit and dick all more.
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Ummm....I love poutine?
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Good for you.
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Nash? A man that had to see the lowest point in his life in order to enjoy the highest (best). Lives in Canada. Is Candain. Leans to the left but hasnt forgotten all forms of common sense that alot of liberals tend to. Is pecimistaclly (SP) cautios. Likes snow the first 2 weeks, hates it the next 3 months. Likes "plus size" models.
:D
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No, seriously, I do. Great stuff.
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Well fer cryin out loud. I got left out of another name dropping AH BBS thread.
<--- shuffles off to pout
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mav... the police bike scares people.
nash... you are being silly... how does my sense of personal (personal meaning for all men) freedom interfere with anything except government?
my guns or cars or ultralight flying or wearing of safety gear in no way interfere with anyones personal (meaning individual)freedom.
lazs
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Did Nash just call me a waffle?
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lol, no.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Well fer cryin out loud. I got left out of another name dropping AH BBS thread.
<--- shuffles off to pout
Join the club lol, No one loves us!:D