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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: JB88 on June 04, 2005, 12:14:53 AM
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and i will be damned if i think that what we are doing and the direction that we are heading is either healthy, decent or for that matter christian.
there are so many changes happening that we cant even keep up with them.
national id's passed.
patriot act.
bankrupcy protection- gone. (this by a puppet who drove his own business to the ground and got bailed out by daddy's rich saudi friends)
attacks on the judicial branch and legislation against it which will castrate it and its ability to uphold our freedoms, protect us from tyranny and defend our constitution.
justifying torture.
ignoring the rights of sovereign nations.
funny. im starting to feel like we want to be THEM.
it makes my skin crawl.
truly.
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Exactly how has your life changed due to all this oppression?
What is it you can no longer do that you could do before?
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we have met the enemy, and he am us.
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Originally posted by Toad
Exactly how has your life changed due to all this oppression?
What is it you can no longer do that you could do before?
speak proudly of my nation's path toad.
what could possibly be worse than that?
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I refuse to allow such ignorance to be lumped in with "us".
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Like everything else there are proud things in our nation's path and some less than proud things.
That you view it as all negative speaks more of you than the nation.
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minor in armchair psychology too?
neato.
leave it to the "educated" to swing it back to tacks right?
no. sorry. but in this case i dont think that you will find me all that shamed by my impressions.
as i say, i love my country and i think that it is turning into a holy hell of a mess.
and that makes me sad.
so yes. i guess that does speak of me.
as do yours words reflect you.
(and my interpretation and your interpretation...etc)
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bankrupcy protection- gone. (this by a puppet who drove his own business to the ground and got bailed out by daddy's rich saudi friends)
I know a guy that filed bankrupcy last week. The airlines do it all the time?
Exactly what are not protected against?
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its going into effect in a few months.
just passed recently.
the trend of government is pro-corporation. it will be much harder to file for bankrupcy now.
cant wait for debtors prisons.
great excercize i hear.
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Originally posted by JB88
minor in armchair psychology too?
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Nope. Just a student of the obvious.
no. sorry. but in this case i dont think that you will find me all that shamed by my impressions.
Didn't imply you were or even should be.
as i say, i love my country and i think that it is turning into a holy hell of a mess.
Certainly an opinion you are entitled to voice.
so yes. i guess that does speak of me.
Excellent! We agree.
Now, other than voicing a personally held opinion of your nation's path, what ACTUAL changes in your life have these new laws wrought? What do you actually have to DO that is different now? How are you inhibited from doing something you did before?
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i have already answered that toad.
you either need to be a better student of the obvious or switch minors.
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Originally posted by Toad
Exactly how has your life changed due to all this oppression?
What is it you can no longer do that you could do before?
I fear your embarkation on this new spiritual path. It makes you that much more of a formidable opponent. :)
Happy for you, truly.
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Originally posted by JB88
i have already answered that toad.
No, you really haven't.
Well, unless you are saying that the ONLY thing that has changed in your life due to this TERRIBLE OPPRESSION is that you no longer view your country's path in the same way. IE: Your opinion of your country has changed.
That's IT? Guess we are indeed doomed. Of course, not everyone shares that opinion, so maybe we'll be OK afterall.
Good to know the rest of your daily life hasn't changed a lick. Suggests the oppression is lighter than a feather.
Nash... it isn't really "new".
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um. exactly when did i use the word oppression?
show me please.
or is that just what you'd call it?
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Originally posted by Toad
Nash... it isn't really "new".
And it never was, and will never be. But I recall your curiousity. And I recall your questions of Seagoon as to direction. I am glad that your exploration seems to be leading you just fine.
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Just a different direction, one of many.
Read a lot of Native American stuff on spiritualism and origins too. Amongst others.
Funny, they all say the same thing if you zoom out. Neh?
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Yup.
Next stop, Buddhism and Tao.
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bring me back a shotglass please.
;)
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For you?
Skimmed that a while ago. Same thing.. the wheel of life. Love thy neighbor. I am he as you are he as you are me and we are all together.
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Is that what you got from it? Yegads. Revisit it.
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You don't see the intention thread in Buddha?
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what is the sound of one toad clapping?
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A couple of things strike me as odd about the pres as well. Most of our presidents employed a good speach writer, Yet the Bushmaster speeches do not have the ring of a professional, and the type of vernacular errors (that he is famous for) sound just like the type that are typical of the technically illiterate. I doubt that he can read at a high school level. There is also matter of his C average, which is very low considering the amount of money his father has, and yes, grades can be bought at any school. I payed my way through college tutoring rich kids (many of whom could not read at all), and just the fact that I was selected as a tutor says volumes, as my own ability to write is abit sucko with a touch of craptastic thrown in. I just forgot what I was writing about.
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I see many things in Buddhism.
They are not some Beatles "love thy brother" ideal.
Intention? Absolutely. But that is but a small part. Almost a given.
You "skimmed it." I really suggest not doing that.
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(spin)
*click*
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*click*
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Well, it was long ago, I admit. Before the Native American phase even.
But clipping to save time here:
The eight factors of the noble eightfold path are: Right Understanding, Right Thought, Right Speech, Right Action, Right Livelihood, Right Effort, Right Mindfulness and Right Concentration.
You don't see just about every religion's precepts in there? Certainly it's what Dyer talks about with "intention".
And the "moral code"
to abstain from harming living beings
to abstain from taking what is not given
to abstain from sexual misconduct
to abstain from false speech
to abstain from intoxicating drugs or drink
Where have we seen those before, eh?
Come, Nash... you have to acknowledge many common elements, especially in the macro view.
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om. (http://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-US%3Aofficial_s&hl=en&q=buddhism&btnG=Google+Search)
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Of course I do. Why would I deny that? I'm not. This isn't an argument.
But it's a mistake to recognize some common traits and dismiss their exploration as being more of the same.
Explore.
More.
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the native american religions would be closer to (japanese) shintoism, i think, than to buddhism.
but then again, i know nothing.
(thats socratic btw)
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I think the point is that in the macro they all say basically the same thing.
I would call that a "clue". ;)
Now, will I revisit them? I dunno. Depends on where one thought leads the next. I might go for Cave Dweller belief systems next... the closer you get to the beginning, ya know....... ;)
But really, I do apologize for the hijack. If we wish to continue we should start another thread.
After all this one is dedicated to angst and we're really not in that mode, are we?
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Originally posted by Toad
After all this one is dedicated to angst and we're really not in that mode, are we?
Not really. :)
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i disagree, but perhaps you might define what that same "thing" is for me?
are you refferring to the fact that all religions share the same version of the afterlife or to the adherence to dogma?
perhaps you were refferring to reincarnation then? do all of those religions on a macro level do this?
hm.
ok. but what about the whole ONE god thingy?
that is certainly consistant with eastern mysticism and philosophy and the catholic church, oh wait...no it isnt.
hm.
wait. perhaps it is love thy neighbor.
funny thing is...people think that when you speak of tao that you are speaking of good.
that when you speak of the buddha that you are neccessarilly invoking light.
i suppose that there is some commonality between "not having excessive sexual urges" and chastity.
ok. thats good.
and maybe even islam and christianity with the package deals that offer virgin love slaves (which is good) or the right hand of god (which is good too) for being a martyr. thats pretty close.
it is easy to make simple statements based upon false logic or wishful thinking.
or skimming for that matter.
but thats just it. and that's what freedom means to me. the right to chose for myself without a state committee doing it for me.
im a big boy. ill figure it out for myself thanks.
peace out brother.
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Hey, good post.
Kinda bothers me that Toad is embarking on a spiritual path and at the same time trying to discount or dismiss away much of it due to some commonality. I mean, if you're doing that... just hang it up. It's not going to get ya anywhere. You're in it for the wrong reasons.
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"Embarked", past tense. Long past. And don't assume. ;)
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exactly.
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Toad, correct me if I'm wrong.... but you've had some recent health problems. Your posts since then have hinted at spirituality. You even asked Seagoon for guidance in a recent post. And now you're reading Dyer.
I appreciate that you've looked into it in the past, but I'm also taking a stab at it by saying that your curiousity has picked up a certain amount of speed very recently.
Don't start acting like the expert here. If you're serious, don't start dissecting it. It's what they do. Won't help you.
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you punk colonialists have had your time on your own, realised it sucks and you are better off with us - its time to rejoin the empire, rule britannia! :D
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ahhh. the fop speaks.
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Sorry no doubt you will all fell terribly pissed off that I dare to open my mouth on a subject about America but hey.
I don't know the details but it seems to me JB is disturbed because he acualy is concerned about how he, as an American and his nation and fellows, are percieved in the wider world and by others as a result of these Legislative and Government actions.
It Also seems that he is concerned how these actions might affect his fellow citizens regardless of how they directly impinge upon himself.
This surely is admirable. Whether you agree or not with his fear. The fact that he thinks beyond his own little world and life. Hats off to you.
Toad you came right back with
"Exactly how has your life changed due to all this oppression?
What is it you can no longer do that you could do before?"
Sorry but that indicates to me you think only in terms of how things affect you yourself and thats all that matters. That my freinds is how many of us now view your nation. Full of people who care nothing for others as long as they are OK or us others are doing what you think is right.
Now I know that is not neccesarily the case but neverthelss that is the not so admirable message we are getting. You might one day think it wise to stop berating us and examione why that is so.
Then again you will probably come back at me with with the usual bug off you Amerihater nyah nyah not listening crap.
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I payed my way through college ...
Sounds like a bunch of BS to me. How did you get through college while being such a poor speller?
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It Also seems that he is concerned how these actions might affect his fellow citizens regardless of how they directly impinge upon himself.
Actually he's just a leftwing nutjob.
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Well if not being a selfish self obsessed A*** and actualy caring a hoot about your fellow citizens in your country and on this planet makes you a leftwing nutjob. Countme in I'm one too!
:aok
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I luv this country too!..Viva la Canada!!!
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Countme in I'm one too!
This is well documented, but for other glaring reasons than what you mentioned here.
Aye.. Viva La Canada! Canada rocks.
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Have you even read the new Bankrupcy law amendments? If not you should if your going to complain about them....
Is it the fact that amending the corporate loopholes so business's couldn't hide pre filing laundering to hide company assets that worries you...
Or could it be the amendments that limit the abuse holes in the previous bankruptcy laws that allowed people to play the system and never have to pay back cc debt after filing, or even allowed them to continue to spend and acquire cc's further ringing up debt knowing they could never pay it back?
Its a Liberal thing right... Once filing for bankruptcy one should be forgiven totally for all debts. Kind of like a Get out of financial hotwater monopoly yellow ticket..
The previous laws needed some rewriting to stop the players of the game not unlike a software game where a few figured out how to game a hole in the game...
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All i have to say on the subject is that if you don't like where this country is going, then either head South or North and find yourself a nice little place there. Yes i don't agree on everything that is going on but i AM an AMERICAN, and i will follow this presedent or anyother to hell and back inorder to protect my family and friends form the evils of the world.
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we have allways had debtors prisons.. you can easily go to jail for owing money to the IRS or child support/allimony.
Any court ordered fine that is not paid will result in a warrant for your arrest.
I don't think we need a patriot act but have seen nothing in it (so far) that is over the top or threatens me.
The only way to have the approval of other countries is to let them do our voting for us and then... we will have the approval of only that country.
88 is an artist... he knows things the rest of can't possibly understand... he takes old junk and makes dioramas that show us that old junk can be turned into a diorama. He is sensitive and caring as proved by the fact that... well... he cares and.... skyprancer likes him darn it!
Toad is mean and a spoilsport.
lazs
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Originally posted by Furball
you punk colonialists have had your time on your own, realised it sucks and you are better off with us - its time to rejoin the empire, rule britannia! :D
do we have to ruin our teeth and mate with our siblings (be they male or female) as well?
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Maybe a few more guns would help. :confused:
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couldn't hurt.
lazs
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Originally posted by Steve
Actually he's just a leftwing nutjob.
gee steve, for a moment you sounded almost...
well, almost.
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Originally posted by T0J0
Have you even read the new Bankrupcy law amendments? If not you should if your going to complain about them....
Is it the fact that amending the corporate loopholes so business's couldn't hide pre filing laundering to hide company assets that worries you...
Or could it be the amendments that limit the abuse holes in the previous bankruptcy laws that allowed people to play the system and never have to pay back cc debt after filing, or even allowed them to continue to spend and acquire cc's further ringing up debt knowing they could never pay it back?
Its a Liberal thing right... Once filing for bankruptcy one should be forgiven totally for all debts. Kind of like a Get out of financial hotwater monopoly yellow ticket..
The previous laws needed some rewriting to stop the players of the game not unlike a software game where a few figured out how to game a hole in the game...
well, if what you are saying is...its okay for a corporation to do so and have protections and its not okay for people too...
um.
you figure it out.
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lasz, whatever you said, you are still ignored, you will remain ignored and you will forever be ignored.
why?
because i just dont care to know you.
but you just keep talking to the air.
it suits you.
;)
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Originally posted by EagleEyes
All i have to say on the subject is that if you don't like where this country is going, then either head South or North and find yourself a nice little place there. Yes i don't agree on everything that is going on but i AM an AMERICAN, and i will follow this presedent or anyother to hell and back inorder to protect my family and friends form the evils of the world.
spoken like a true Bushmonger, complete with spelling errors!
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Originally posted by spitfiremkv
spoken like a true Bushmonger, complete with spelling errors!
yes, but the precedent had already been set!
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"lasz, whatever you said, you are still ignored, you will remain ignored and you will forever be ignored.
why?
because i just dont care to know you.
but you just keep talking to the air.
it suits you. "
Not sure who is getting the best of the deal here but... it is amusing.
lazs
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Originally posted by JB88
lasz, whatever you said, you are still ignored, you will remain ignored and you will forever be ignored.
why?
because i just dont care to know you.
but you just keep talking to the air.
it suits you.
;)
You JB guys are a sensitive lot, what with all the ignoring you guys do.
:D
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luftwhiners....
Not sure if its the luftwhiner planes that attract the guys or the luftwhiner planes make whiners out of the guys.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
luftwhiners....
Not sure if its the luftwhiner planes that attract the guys or the luftwhiner planes make whiners out of the guys.
lazs
it ain't the planeset - they must be whiners before they jump in one
I love this country also jb88 - minus all your paraniod delusions sir
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I've never understood squads that require you to give up your online personna, ones some of us have used for years, and adopt thier initials and a number to be part of the group.
Whatever, I also don't understand people that make a big deal out of announcing they are ignoring someone, but I DO find it amusing.
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Originally posted by storch
do we have to ruin our teeth and mate with our siblings (be they male or female) as well?
we can continue to allow that in texas, yes.
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well, if what you are saying is...its okay for a corporation to do so and have protections and its not okay for people too
88, people can still file BK. You simply have to explain this to me: Why do you think people should be able to accumulate thousands of dollars in debt and not pay? This isn't bait, honest. I just wnat you to tell mw why you don't think people should have to pay for stuff/services they purchase.
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Yep JB it's all over, bedtime for democracy. Kill yourself or move to France.
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Sometimes the system is abused.
Take this guy for example.. works 22 years on a job. No health plan (company pulled it, too expensive), no 401k, no retirement plan. Guy has minamal life insurance.
He's got a wife, kids, house, 35k a year job. wife works too. 28k a year. over the course of 22 years, he's got a mortgage; a second, about 15k in cc debt.
He gets laid off. then he gets sick.. stress.. he wife leaves him, no money. She rapes him for the house, alimony, child support.
Now he's up to his bellybutton in debt.. no income, no health plan, a massive health care bill, alimony, child support bills.
The guy files bankruptcy.
I hate dickwads like this.. abusing the system. The rat bastard should arrange an accident to kill himself so his insurance pays off his debt.
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How many times has Donald Trump filed for bankruptcy? Isn't like 4 or 5 times?
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How many times has Donald Trump filed for bankruptcy? Isn't like 4 or 5 times?
Yes, and he takes advantage of the system. He actually plans for BK, it's part of his strategy. To me, this is nothing more than theft/fraud.
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hate dickwads like this.. abusing the system. pays off .
Why should he not have to pay his CC debt? Why is he not responsible? Maybe he lived beyond his means on his CC's. Why is he not responsible?
Additionally, the new laws do not prevent guys like this from filing BK so before you post more silly gibberish you might want to consider who the new laws are affecting.
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Steve, hope you have a happy life, never get over-extended, never get sick, never get laid off.
Really. Wouldn't wish Hobson's choice on anybody.
Regarding 'silly gibberish'.. so sorry, didn't mean to cloud the waters with meaningless diatribe.
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only big differance in bankruptcy law is if you have asssets/income to repay part of debt in 6 years you have to file chapter 13 instead of chapter 7 (total debt forgivness).
depending on your assests/income people filing 13 repay about 20% of debt.
the bankruptcy judge will decide if you have to file 13 or 7, before it was your lawyer who decided that.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Steve, hope you have a happy life, never get over-extended, never get sick, never get laid off.
Really. Wouldn't wish Hobson's choice on anybody.
Regarding 'silly gibberish'.. so sorry, didn't mean to cloud the waters with meaningless diatribe.
maybe if you treated your customers properly you would have the income to meet your obligations?
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never get over-extended, never get sick, never get laid off.
Hang, over extended? Irresponsible.
Sick? Laid off? Why would either of these excuse me from my finanacial responsibilities?
Oh gosh, I got sick and was in the hospital. Sorry Mr. creditor, even though it's not your fault I got sick, I'm not going to pay my 5k credit card debt which I used to buy the plasma screen TV in my living room. Oh, by the way, I get to keep the TV.
Why? Why shouldn't people be responsible?
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Gawd, I agree with Steve on something! Now that's a pleasant surprise-- have a drink on me.
Why do you supposed bankers keep lending The Donald money?
Its money that comes out of OUR pockets, too, when he inevitably goes belly up, doesn't it?
From what I know of the bankruptcy reform, it seems reasonable. But I don't doubt there are loopholes that the wealthy will be able to exploit. Let's just watch.
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Originally posted by Airhead
Whatever, I also don't understand people that make a big deal out of announcing they are ignoring someone, but I DO find it amusing.
Watch it buddy. You're dangerously close to joining my notoriously short ignore list.
:rofl
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Originally posted by Steve
Hang, over extended? Irresponsible.
Sick? Laid off? Why would either of these excuse me from my finanacial responsibilities?
Oh gosh, I got sick and was in the hospital. Sorry Mr. creditor, even though it's not your fault I got sick, I'm not going to pay my 5k credit card debt which I used to buy the plasma screen TV in my living room. Oh, by the way, I get to keep the TV.
Why? Why shouldn't people be responsible?
they should be.
but that includes corporations as well doesnt it steve?
what about the credit card companies that are preying on 18 year olds who are green in the world and geeked about that new 5k credit limit that they just got when they shipped off to college...or the guy who gets laid off and cant pay his bills because captain jerko the selfish in the drivers seat needs a multimillion dollar raise.
corporations spend millions if not billions (coke) a year doing everything that they can to get money out of pockets. its seduction.
there needs to be some give and take here.
when a person declares bankrupcy (if they are not donald trump) they are penalized, but the penalty is survivable and has a clear ending.
obviously, these are life lessons...fine...
but what bothers me is the double standard.
and there is alot of that going around.
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Originally posted by spitfiremkv
spoken like a true Bushmonger, complete with spelling errors!
Wow 1 word spelt wrong, mybad *from* anyways yes i am a, what you call, bushmonger, and obviously you are a Democrate/Libral. Born and raised a Republican. What ticks me off is that if the presidency was the otherway around, had a Democrat for president and did the same thing Bush is doing, everything would be flipped. Democrats would say War was right and Republicans would say the war was wrong. Its all Politics. To me its getting to the point where even if something is good for the country, both sides will argue. One will say its good, the other will say its bad. Like i said before i might not agree on everything, but i am an American, and it won't matter who or what party the president is, i will gladly fight and if must, die to protect freedom in America, just like so many have done before us!
<<>> USA!
Egle31st
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Originally posted by storch
maybe if you treated your customers properly you would have the income to meet your obligations?
LOL.. jeeezus storch.. yer writin 5 grand tickets and sending crews around ta nail stuff together; yer gonna have to kiss all the customer bellybutton you can to keep 'em going... yer into volume and thats kewl...
My average ticket's about a hunnerd bucks, an i'm not lookin to write 50 tickets a day to cover all that overhead. Scaling. Just workin smarter.. not harder.
BTW; I'm not the unhappy camper; but I watched my brother in law go thru it. Was dehumanising for the guy; a bitter thing to see.. and yah know something; it coulda happened to me.. you; anybody.
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Originally posted by EagleEyes
"Born and raised a Republican. What ticks me off is that if the..."
Heh. Killer. Born a Republican. What, you got an elephant birthmark on your ass?
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Originally posted by Nash
Heh. Killer. Born a Republican. What, you got an elephant birthmark on your ass?
Id rather have an elephant on my bellybutton then be a jacka*s!:lol :aok
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but that includes corporations as well doesnt it steve?
Yes, but the nw BK laws to not give any advantage to Corps
what about the credit card companies that are preying on 18 year olds
Don't give me that sappy "preying on" crap. I went through the credit card blitz ion college just like every collegian does. If the student isn't smart enough to avoid getting into debt, he/she should take responsibility for his/her actions.
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Originally posted by JB88
well, if what you are saying is...its okay for a corporation to do so and have protections and its not okay for people too...
um.
you figure it out.
Isn't a corporation a group of people?
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isn't soylent green....
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Originally posted by EagleEyes
Wow 1 word spelt wrong, mybad *from* anyways yes i am a, what you call, bushmonger, and obviously you are a Democrate/Libral. Born and raised a Republican. What ticks me off is that if the presidency was the otherway around, had a Democrat for president and did the same thing Bush is doing, everything would be flipped. Democrats would say War was right and Republicans would say the war was wrong. Its all Politics. To me its getting to the point where even if something is good for the country, both sides will argue. One will say its good, the other will say its bad. Like i said before i might not agree on everything, but i am an American, and it won't matter who or what party the president is, i will gladly fight and if must, die to protect freedom in America, just like so many have done before us!
<<>> USA!
Egle31st
maybe but this time I counted 2 spelling errors :rofl
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Originally posted by JB88
isn't soylent green....
Excellent point. An imaginary product is made from recycled humans, therefore... wait ...uh... I guess you didn't have a point and were just going for the humor.
My point was because corporations are groups of people, rights held by corporations are rights held by people.
Your complaint that bankruptcy laws are different for 'groups of people' than for individuals seems strange to me because there is a whole book of laws relating to 'groups of people'.
If bankruptcy law were singled out as a shining example of fairness when bookkeeping and tax law are different for 'groups of people' than they are for individuals, that would seem inconsistant.
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Originally posted by JB88
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yeah maybe. I only checked the glaring ones.
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Alright guys come on!! Give me some kind of credit here, i just graduated highschool and as soon as i got my diploma, my brain wen't out the window! Was never really good in English class!:lol
Tahnks fro piontnig uot ym ismakes!:aok
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you know, as long as the first and last letters of each word are the right ones, your brain will recognize the word regardless of how you misplace the letters in the middle.
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spell checker we need.
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sarmt tnihg you siad.
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tanhk you!
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Originally posted by Steve
Why should he not have to pay his CC debt? Why is he not responsible? Maybe he lived beyond his means on his CC's. Why is he not responsible?
Additionally, the new laws do not prevent guys like this from filing BK so before you post more silly gibberish you might want to consider who the new laws are affecting.
How about that black dude who has been just released after spending 30 years in jail for stealing a black-and-white TV-set ($140.) ?
He should had filed for bankrupcy at the time !
But it's O'key, he can do it now.
:rolleyes:
P.S. American people are being criminalized and jailed for non-existent crimes, put in jail for petty crimes or unpaid child-support etc.
Being a foreigner in this great country I can see much more than the majority of US citizens are able to see. And what I see I saw before in the last but one totalitarian empire I lived in.
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How about that black dude who has been just released after spending 30 years in jail for stealing a black-and-white TV-set ($140.) ? He should had filed for bankrupcy at the time ! But it's O'key, he can do it now.
Not exactly sure what you're getting at here. I'm sorry if I missed your point.
Why does the dude have to be black? Good news for this fellow though. After spending 30 years in prison, any deragatory credit reporting would have fallen off; he has a clean slate.