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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: 1K3 on June 04, 2005, 04:41:07 PM
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UP OR DOWN
1. REVERT Spitfire Mk. V's max engine rating from +16 to +12 to REPRESENT a 1941 plane model
2. Add a Spitfire LF Mk. IX for a FREE post '42 spit
3. Change Fw-190A-8 engine, replace the current BMW 801-2 with BMW-801F / TS / or TU
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Perk the LA7 :D
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No, give us a Spit MkVIII, XII and XVI
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Originally posted by Kev367th
No, give us a Spit MkVIII, XII and XVI
EH... they're limited and im 1000% sure that spit 7 will be perked
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btw spitfire LF Mk. IX is common in RAF during late wars right?
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Add 109f to CV's.
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Smokers. We need smokers.
Start with a "Korea" arena, Sabres and MIG15s plus Yaks Hogs Vaders etc.
Put Viet Nam in queue. I really wanna fly a Phantom :)
culero
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Originally posted by IK3
EH... they're limited and im 1000% sure that spit 7 will be perked
Never mentioned a Spit VII, you prob misread the Spit XII (12)
Spit VIII- With Merlin 66 or 71...yum yum
Spit XII - With a Griffon II or IV...tasty.
Spit XVI - With clipped wings, bubble canopy, 4x20mm, and a Merlin 266...yummy.
Be no reason to perk any of them.
Couldn't see much use for Spit VII - High alt, originally fitted with pointy wings up until D-Day.
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1. REVERT Spitfire Mk. V's max engine rating from +16 to +12 to REPRESENT a 1941 plane model
Go AWAY !!!! ... leave the V alone.
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Originally posted by SlapShot
1. REVERT Spitfire Mk. V's max engine rating from +16 to +12 to REPRESENT a 1941 plane model
Go AWAY !!!! ... leave the V alone.
LOL, agreed Slapshot.
Since when has representative been any part of the current planeset?
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Originally posted by 1K3
UP OR DOWN
1. REVERT Spitfire Mk. V's max engine rating from +16 to +12 to REPRESENT a 1941 plane model
2. Add a Spitfire LF Mk. IX for a FREE post '42 spit
3. Change Fw-190A-8 engine, replace the current BMW 801-2 with BMW-801F / TS / or TU
I would just like the A8 to have the old forward view. I have a hard time seeming anything with the new forward view.
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Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
I would just like the A8 to have the old forward view. I have a hard time seeming anything with the new forward view.
(off topic but...)
The 190s have the correct front view... except the head-view position
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What Culero said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Originally posted by IK3
btw spitfire LF Mk. IX is common in RAF during late wars right?
LFIX was the mainstay of Fighter Command from 43 on. It was the preferred Spit IX variant by those who flew Spits.
Dan/CorkyJr
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of any plane to be added to the game I would think the last one to be considered would be yet another spit:aok
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
of any plane to be added to the game I would think the last one to be considered would be yet another spit:aok
Why not ? Hypocrasy coming from the man who has 5 109's to choose from.
We have 3 free 'usable' Spits, 14 isn't worth it.
There are 4 free 190s, 5 free 109s
Your all just scared of a 1/2 way decent free Spit in the arena that can compete with the Runstangs etc. ;)
But you being an F4 man understandable Drediock, especially if it was VIII, XII, or XVI that was introduced.
Since when is an LFIX a post 1942 Spit.
Make it an LFVIII I'll agree.
Big thumbs down on all 3!!!!!
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Why not ? Hypocrasy coming from the man who has 5 109's to choose from.
We have 3 free 'usable' Spits, 14 isn't worth it.
There are 4 free 190s, 5 free 109s
Your all just scared of a 1/2 way decent free Spit in the arena that can compete with the Runstangs etc. ;)
But you being an F4 man understandable Drediock, especially if it was VIII, XII, or XVI that was introduced.
Since when is an LFIX a post 1942 Spit.
Make it an LFVIII I'll agree.
Big thumbs down on all 3!!!!!
Too many of the damn things in the air already.
Last thing I want to see and the last thing the MA needs is another and even MORE Superduper EZmode plane. Which is essentally what spits are. And why I call em "the Tricycle with training wheels"
Now you want training wheels for your training wheels?
Why not just ask for one of those arcade "smart bombs" that with a push of the button blows up everything around you?
LOL if your a spit driver and have problems with most of the runstang drivers in the MA then you have larger problems then plane type.
I come across a runstang I lick my chops as there are only a handful that fly them well,or smart. and even fewer that fly them both well and smart. And I can usually tell within the first move or two if they are. But the same holds true with alot of the less uber planes also and those pilots who are very good in the pony are also very good in just about anything including an early model P40.
My largest concern with runstangs is that they wil run away.
which isnt really a concern because as anyone who has owned a dog will tell you. You wont get them to come to you if you chase after them. Let them run and dont chase and they will probably come back. "Pet comes to master. Master doesnt chase pet"
Make them come to you and eventually they will either become overconfident or frustrated with their inability to kill you and they will be yours
Nice thing about 109 f4's (and the rest of the less uber planes) is when a spit kills one, big whoop. Spits with even a halfway competent driver SHOULD kill 109 f4's.
But when a 109 F4 kills a spit. The spit driver gets to suffer the indignity of haveing been killed by a 109 f4.
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Too many of them?
Just about every other plane you run into in the MA is a Lala, D9, G10 or Pony.
90%+ of which will run when you get close them and the free Spits at the moment just dont have the speed to go after them.
Look at it this way -
There are 4x190s and 5x109s for a total of 9 free German frontline fighters covering the whole war.
12 if you include the 163,152,262.
RAF has 3xSpits and 3xHurris for a total of 6 free covering up to 1942 ONLY.
8 if you include the Spit 14 and Tempest which takes it to 1944.
No I'm not counting the Tiffy as a fighter, it's primary role was ground attack.
Now add the Spit 8,12 and 16 and drop the 14 which is hardly ever used.
That now makes 6xSpits and 3 Hurris for a total of 9 free ones, the same as the LW. 10 if you include the Tempest.
You now have an RAF fighter planeset that goes all the way from the BoB to the end of war and like every other country it has a free speed demon.
Even if you leave the Spit 14 in that still only comes to 11 compared to the LW 12. Count the Tiffy its 12 v 12.
Wheres the problem?
Or is this a roundabout way of saying no late war Spits because they were that good?
After all that seems to be the reason the Spit 14 is perked according to numerous people.
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i am totally in agreement here.
people complain about spitV's, sheesh, they are just nice planes, and do well because good pilots are in the cockpit
spits at the moment are slow and have numerous problems
next update should fix those by adding some late war spits, just like kev said, to even things out
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i am totally in agreement here.
people complain about spitV's, sheesh, they are just nice planes, and do well because good pilots are in the cockpit
spits at the moment are slow and have numerous problems
next update should fix those by adding some late war spits, just like kev said, to even things out
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Originally posted by Kev367th
Too many of them?
Just about every other plane you run into in the MA is a Lala, D9, G10 or Pony.
Odd. the vast majority of planes I run into in the MA are either spits. or LALA's and more recently the KI 84 which seems to be gaining in popularity as of late.
Actually in ll honesty you could flip the LALA and the KI as over the last week or so I've been seeing more KI84s then LAs
I almost consider it a rare treat when I run into one of the other types
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Remember also Drediock Britain only really had one mainstay fighter from 1941 onwards - the Spitfire.
Wasn't like Germany were there was two major manufacturers Focke Wulf and Messerschmit, so logically you would have a lot of Spit Mks and Hurris but equal to the amount of Bfs and FWs.
Considering that it was Germany brought out a new fighter, Britain followed suit, or vice versa.
So it would make sense that there would probably be more Spit variants in AH2 than any other make.
To even suggest the current frontline fighter planeset of the RAF is balanced or well spread out throughout the war is ludicrous.
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Originally posted by 1K3
1. REVERT Spitfire Mk. V's max engine rating from +16 to +12 to REPRESENT a 1941 plane model
I appreciate how your questions do not appear leading or in any way biased toward a particular response.
Poll on, brave virtual warrior.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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you friggin nerds.
dont touch the spit.
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how about putting a large lawnmower on the bottom of the spit so we can trim the trees down....
perk the trees:rofl
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Originally posted by Pooface
i am totally in agreement here.
people complain about spitV's, sheesh, they are just nice planes, and do well because good pilots are in the cockpit
spits at the moment are slow and have numerous problems
next update should fix those by adding some late war spits, just like kev said, to even things out
Lmao. Spits are by far the easiest planes to fly and the easiest planes to get kills in.
A spit will make OK pilots decent,Decent pilots pretty good and good pilots great And great pilots..well forgeddaboutit.
There are good pilots in spits no question. But alot of those good pilots would do well in alot of other planes as well.
Alot of dedicated spit drivers though would be lost in anything other then a spit for a good while.
Not because they arent any good but because they've had it too cushy for too long.
Think your a "good" pilot cause you can get alot of kills in a spit?
Try flying something else for a while and see how "good" you are in it.
fact of the matter is in most other planes you gotta work for a living. Fly a Jug, or a Stang, or a 190. or a 109 till your pretty deecent in it and then go back to the spit and you will be astounded at just how much easier spits really are.
You will almost feel like your cheating.
Too much is made about speed. Speed isnt everything. I welcome planes with speed because I find they are easier to avoid and the very slowness of the spit and its ability to manuver and climb while being slow is one of its greatest assets IMO
Speed is good if your running or chasing or B&Zing but in an eyball to eyeball knife fight Speed can be a liability rather then an asset. E manegment and the ability to manuver at low speeds is your best ally.
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Darn spit haters!:) There are several planes equally as forgiving as the spit.
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posted by culero
Start with a "Korea" arena, Sabres and MIG15s plus Yaks Hogs Vaders etc.
i doubt htc would do that since there is another mogg that already has that.
dawn of aces was about ww1, aces high was ww2, i bet his next game will be a modern combat game naturaly.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
fact of the matter is in most other planes you gotta work for a living. Fly a Jug, or a Stang, or a 190. or a 109 till your pretty deecent in it and then go back to the spit and you will be astounded at just how much easier spits really are.
Aces High is supposed to be fun. I already work for a living, so why would I do the same in my spare time? Spits are, pound for pound, the most fun thing to fly in the game for me. It's not about working for it or proving one's manhood; it's about having fun with the time we have to play. If flying something that makes you "work for a living" does it for you, that's great. Don't expect that I'm going to share your enthusiasm however.
Honestly, I'm not sure I understand why you're so concerned about what others fly or how others perceive you based on what you fly.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Another UP or DOWN vote...
1. Perk the Spit XIV to a single digit value
2. Use the PROPER DATA for Fw-190A-5 (R.L.M's evaluation of Fw-190A-5)
3. Like what we've seen with Spitfire V, and La-5FN, Fw-190A-8 needs a new engine (replace BMW 801-2 with 801 F/TS/or TU)
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Spits just like any other plane in the AH inventory.
No matter what plane you fly...if you fly mistake free no matter what you're in the majority of the time you'll win. If you get shot down it's your fault anyway for placing yourself into a position to be shot down.
For my money I would like to see all prop planes "unperked".
They can be beaten by any other plane that is not perked.
So what's the big deal here about revising the spit?
Let it be.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Aces High is supposed to be fun. I already work for a living, so why would I do the same in my spare time? Spits are, pound for pound, the most fun thing to fly in the game for me. It's not about working for it or proving one's manhood; it's about having fun with the time we have to play. If flying something that makes you "work for a living" does it for you, that's great. Don't expect that I'm going to share your enthusiasm however.
Honestly, I'm not sure I understand why you're so concerned about what others fly or how others perceive you based on what you fly.
-- Todd/Leviathn
Thats cause pound for pound they are the easiest to fly. Little to no skill required. But if you do have skill. spits turn ya into a superduper pilot because they require so little work.
Now I know your a good pilot. It saddens me to see good pilots in a spits because they dont need that kind of crutch to be successful. Yet they do.
Concerned though? No. Nor am I concerned how I am perceived on any level or in any realm.
Im not going to like or respect anyone any more or less because of what they fly
I just dont view taking the easy way or in beginner mode as being fun.
I have my most fun on the harder levels where yes I have to (here comes that dirty little word ) "work" a little for a living.
I find it far more rewarding and enjoyable.
But by all means if playing the equivilent of the entry level of Pacman over and over is what gets you off go for it.
I'd rather play chess.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Thats cause pound for pound they are the easiest to fly. Little to no skill required. But if you do have skill. spits turn ya into a superduper pilot because they require so little work.
Now I know your a good pilot. It saddens me to see good pilots in a spits because they dont need that kind of crutch to be successful. Yet they do.
Concerned though? No. Nor am I concerned how I am perceived on any level or in any realm.
Im not going to like or respect anyone any more or less because of what they fly
I just dont view taking the easy way or in beginner mode as being fun.
I have my most fun on the harder levels where yes I have to (here comes that dirty little word ) "work" a little for a living.
I find it far more rewarding and enjoyable.
But by all means if playing the equivilent of the entry level of Pacman over and over is what gets you off go for it.
I'd rather play chess.
Arrogance.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Too much is made about speed. Speed isnt everything. I welcome planes with speed because I find they are easier to avoid and the very slowness of the spit and its ability to manuver and climb while being slow is one of its greatest assets IMO
Speed is good if your running or chasing or B&Zing but in an eyball to eyeball knife fight Speed can be a liability rather then an asset. E manegment and the ability to manuver at low speeds is your best ally.
Well in the current MA speed IS everything, try chasing one of the 4 speed demons in a Spit 5 or 9, see how far you get when he keeps on going. I have a tough enough time catching them in Tiffy without a big enough alt advantage.
OK so you avoid, he keeps on going, what you going to do apart from wait around till the next one comes in? Go chasing them hoping that one will turn and fight?
Either way it gets very frustrating.
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ahem... now back on the track...
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Another UP or DOWN vote...
1. Perk the Spit XIV to a single digit value
2. Use the PROPER DATA for Fw-190A-5 (R.L.M's evaluation of Fw-190A-5)
3. Like what we've seen with Spitfire V, and La-5FN, Fw-190A-8 needs a new engine (replace BMW 801-2 with 801 F/TS/or TU)
btw, can someone shed some light on the history (like did it play a major role? Did they foght on air on a regular basis?) of Spitfires 6, 7, and 8? Most of us regular guys believe that only the spit 9 saw mid war to late war service and anything from spits 6, 7, and 8 are just experiment planes that we believe did not see service.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Now I know your a good pilot. It saddens me to see good pilots in a spits because they dont need that kind of crutch to be successful. Yet they do.
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Here you go again. Define "successful" please. I'm willing to bet that your definition doesn't even come close to mine, and yet here you are applying your sense of fun to mine and assuming it fits. A Spit isn't a crutch, it's just good fun. A jaunt in a P-47 is different, but it's just as fun too. What you are completely missing here is that people don't necessarily fly Spits to "succeed;" they fly Spits because that's what they consider fun.
Concerned though? No. Nor am I concerned how I am perceived on any level or in any realm.
Im not going to like or respect anyone any more or less because of what they fly
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Your words suggest a different sentiment. You seem to feel that those who fly "easy" planes are either inferior to you or copping out. By stating as much, you are disrespecting them whether you admit it or not.
I just dont view taking the easy way or in beginner mode as being fun.
I have my most fun on the harder levels where yes I have to (here comes that dirty little word ) "work" a little for a living.
I find it far more rewarding and enjoyable.
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Most of your kills come in 109Fs, 109G-10s, 190A-8s, and 262s. All of those planes are faster than the Spit V, and all but one sport far more lethal armament. I'm curious... as someone who claims to enjoy "working" for your fun, why do you fly such survivable and incredibly lethal planes? Surely someone who enjoys working for kills would partake of the P-40B challenge or fly 202s at least a little bit each tour. Why no 109Es? Vals are fun too. Why no Val flights?
I bet I know why you don't fly those planes.
But by all means if playing the equivilent of the entry level of Pacman over and over is what gets you off go for it.
I'd rather play chess.
Oh, please. Aces High is Aces High. Claiming you're some kind of chess master for flying a 109F rather than a Spit V is a stretch at best and laughable at worst. Enjoy the game for what it is, and what it is neither Pac-Man nor chess. Sorry to burst the bubble.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Filibuster.
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Originally posted by Guppy35
LFIX was the mainstay of Fighter Command from 43 on. It was the preferred Spit IX variant by those who flew Spits.
Dan/CorkyJr
You mean the Polish Squadrons that literally saved Britain?
Karaya
PS - The P38 bests them all
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Quit picking on the spits ! some of us are trying to learn advanced ACM in them lol
Perk the La-7 or slow it down so the V's or the Seafire can catch em !
Big G
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Originally posted by Masherbrum
You mean the Polish Squadrons that literally saved Britain?
Karaya
Ooh WTG to pee off -
Czechs, Aussies, Kiwis etc.
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Burst my bubble? LMAO you are funny.
No bubble burst here.
Go back a ways you will see I've also flown as my "regular rides" Tiffy. FW A5,NIKI, FM2's, F6's P51b's And have dabbled a bit in Yaks,Jugs Ponies and 110's
And yes I even dabbled for a while in your precious Spits.
262s FYI I primarily use as a base porking weapon. I consider getting kills in that as a bonus as thats usually not what Im after when Im in a 262.
And while the rides I fly can run. I usually dont. and if I do its not very far. Or because Im out of ammo
No, only the very good pilots are copping out flying spits and I dont consider anyone inferiour to me. Hell I only consider myself a decent pilot and certainly not "great" as there are quite a few that are a hell of alot better then I am. Oddly enough I typically dont see them in spits either
Im usually outnumbered and if you see me over 10-15 K its in all likely hood because I was afk a while or dealing with wife/kid ack.
So as often as not I'm dealing with people that have an alt and in the end a speed advantage over me
109s are not as manuverable as spits. particularly at low speeds.
Which more times then not is how I end up and is actually my preferred way of fighting. And the view sucks. which only adds to the challange
What you dont see. or mention is in all these planes I rarely B&Z unless Im going after bombers. in each including the FWs I usually turnfight em
Why dont I fly those other planes? Simple. because I havent gotten around to them YET. But mark my words. I will.
ONLY reason I dont fly the E very much is ammo load is too small.
But as I've said I have flown your precious little tricycle so no bubble burst here,and I stand by my words about it.
Why dont I fly it? Cause its too damn easy.
You or anyone else find flying in EZmode fun hey, whatever makes your boat float. I just dont see the challange in them
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Originally posted by Morpheus
Arrogance.
No ,honesty.
which is often mistaken for arrogance.
Typically because the honest word is not necessarily the word people want to hear.
And people dont like it when they hear words they dont like no matter how honest they are. So they label it arrogant.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Go back a ways you will see I've also flown as my "regular rides" Tiffy. FW A5,NIKI, FM2's, F6's P51b's And have dabbled a bit in Yaks,Jugs Ponies and 110's
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What? No 202s? P-40Bs? 109Es? I see there either fast planes or great turners or both. Hm.
262s FYI I primarily use as a base porking weapon. I consider getting kills in that as a bonus as thats usually not what Im after when Im in a 262.
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Why do you feel the need to defend how you use a 262 to me? I don't care. Use it any way you desire.
What I see here is a lot of defensiveness. You just spent an entire message defending what you fly and how you fly it, and yet I don't really care what you fly or how you fly it. Sure, I'll rib you because you aren't flying the most challenging planes, but that was just in fun. So why are you wasting your energy on this? I thought you didn't care?
Well, keep on "working" at it, big guy. I'll have fun my way, and you have fun your way. :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
I'll have fun my way
-- Todd/Leviathn
I hope you don't get caught, as I hear the laws against your kind of fun can be pretty harsh.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
What? No 202s? P-40Bs? 109Es? I see there either fast planes or great turners or both. Hm.
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Why do you feel the need to defend how you use a 262 to me? I don't care. Use it any way you desire.
What I see here is a lot of defensiveness. You just spent an entire message defending what you fly and how you fly it, and yet I don't really care what you fly or how you fly it. Sure, I'll rib you because you aren't flying the most challenging planes, but that was just in fun. So why are you wasting your energy on this? I thought you didn't care?
Well, keep on "working" at it, big guy. I'll have fun my way, and you have fun your way. :)
-- Todd/Leviathn [/B]
Defending, No
Explaining yes