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General Forums => Axis vs Allies => Topic started by: Mister Fork on June 05, 2005, 08:08:12 PM
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Time of Aces - 7th of October 1944
October was a pivotal month for the air campaign on Guadalcanal. It was a time when the men who had arrived in August were clearly at the end of their endurance, for sickness and fatigue hit them after they had survived Japanese bullets. However, new squadrons and crews were arriving, among them VMF-121, led by Major Leonard K. "Duke" Davis. His executive officer, Captain Joseph J. Foss, would soon make a name for himself. Other veterans of the campaign had not stayed idle. Major Smith of VMF-223 had taken his squadron up on 2 October against a raid by Japanese bombers and fighters. The Zero escorts dove on the climbing Navy and Marine Wildcats, quickly shooting down two fighters from VMF-223. Smith exited a cloud to confront three Zeros. He blasted a fighter into a ball of flame. However, the two remaining Zeros got on his tail and peppered the struggling little blue-gray F6F with cannon and machine gun fire. Listening to a repaired radio from a damaged SBD back at Guadalcanal, the crews of Dennis Byrd's VMSB-232 heard Captain Carl call to his skipper. "John, you've got a Zero on your tail!" "I know, I know," Smith replied, "shoot the SOB if you can!" Then all was silence
Terrain – the Slot
Aircraft
Allied
1.B-26 (with Formations)
2.F4U-1D
3.F4U-1C
4.P-38L
6.F6f-5
5.SBD-5
Axis
1.KI67 (with formations)
2.N1K2
3.A6M5b
4.KI61
5.KI84
6.B5N2
Arena Settings
- Fuel 1.5
- Icons short
- .51 Ack
- Fighter and Bomber warning range 42,000 (about 8 miles)
- Tower range set to 42,000 (for display only to match the above setting)
- Clouds / visibility (17 miles)
- Friendly collisions off
- Kill shooter off
- South East 10 knots
68KO
Aces High CT Advisor
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Couple of notes:
- The corner ports are disabled and useless to bomb (they're bishop HQ's - so unless you like to bomb a HQ where there is no enemy, knock yourself out.)
- There are no CV's. All aircraft are land based. (for now, but that might change tomorrow).
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Looks good forkster, thanks for setting it up!
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Originally posted by Mister Fork
- There are no CV's. All aircraft are land based. (for now, but that might change tomorrow).
Hey a little suspence.......... Nice touch .:aok
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Wooo Hoo!
That was a fun hour!
It would be great if those two close bases couldn't be captured.
eskimo
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Sounds like fun...but we're talking Oct of 1942....not 1944.
The only F4U in service at thew time was the the -1. I dont think the -1A (bubble canopy) was in service. VMF-223 flew F4F-4 wildacts. VMSB-232 flew SBD-3's.
The 1st P-38G's arrived on 11/12/42, 8 P38G's under Dale Brannon. 8 more P-38F's from the 39th FS 35 FG arrived the next day. The 1st P-40's arrived in Jan, 1943. None of the planes listed in the allied order of battle actually saw action with the exception of the SBD (subbing 3 for 5). There were 10 B-26's at start but 99% of bombardment was carried out by B-17's...
Obviously N1K2, Ki-61 Ki-84 not in service either....
Nice setup but totally wrong historically as an FYI....
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Originally posted by humble
Sounds like fun...but we're talking Oct of 1942....not 1944.
The only F4U in service at thew time was the the -1. I dont think the -1A (bubble canopy) was in service. VMF-223 flew F4F-4 wildacts. VMSB-232 flew SBD-3's.
Humble
I really don't think Vought F4U-1 Corsair did not see any action in 1942 (VF-12 were the first to use Corsairs, but they were order to fly F6F Hellcat after Operational landing problem and VF-17 were the second squadron to take F4U, then VMF-124), but to know that they did see action in the early 1943 and also Vought F4U-1A Corsair with tear drop canopy enter service in late 1943. About F4U-1C, they didn't see the action until late May 1945, same for F4U-4.
Then again, just fun game and there is nothing wrong with that.
Pappy35 aka Rafe
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Originally posted by Pappy35
Humble
I really don't think Vought F4U-1 Corsair did not see any action in 1942 (VF-12 were the first to use Corsairs, but they were order to fly F6F Hellcat after Operational landing problem and VF-17 were the second squadron to take F4U, then VMF-124), but to know that they did see action in the early 1943 and also Vought F4U-1A Corsair with tear drop canopy enter service in late 1943. About F4U-1C, they didn't see the action until late May 1945, same for F4U-4.
Then again, just fun game and there is nothing wrong with that.
Pappy35 aka Rafe
I'm unaware of them anywhere in pac in 42...however I wasnt sure if they saw any action in early 43 prior to actual fall of the canal. To the best of my knowledge all marine air (as well as naval air) was F4F-4. The P400 was actually primary allied aircraft thruout the campaign. Not really a good sub but P-40 would be closest thing we have.
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Originally posted by humble
I'm unaware of them anywhere in pac in 42...however I wasnt sure if they saw any action in early 43 prior to actual fall of the canal. To the best of my knowledge all marine air (as well as naval air) was F4F-4. The P400 was actually primary allied aircraft thruout the campaign. Not really a good sub but P-40 would be closest thing we have.
The Corsairs (F4U-1s) of VMF-124 would be the first to commit this fighter in combat on 13 February 1943 at Guadalcanal, and would fly from airfields in the Solomon Islands such as Guadalcanal, Russell Islands, and Munda, between February and September 1943. During the 13 February 1943 engagement, 12 Corsairs of VMF-124 were assigned as fighter escort for fifteen Thirteenth Air Force B-24 Liberator bombers belonging to the 307th Bomb Group. This mission was a 300 mile attack against the airfields on Bougainville. On 14 February 1943, the Corsairs of VMF-124 and 70th Fighter Squadron P-38s again escorted the B-24s of the 307th BG and Navy VB-101 PB4Ys against this same target. What became known as the "St. Valentine's Day Massacre," resulted in the loss of eight bombers, two Corsairs, two P-38s, and two P-40s, but they had three Zeros in return.
Pappy
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Bomb sites are set on easy mode, pls fix.
I spent half an hour trying to figure out why I couldn't calibrate my bomb site before I realized this.
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Also c47s aren't available.
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Guys I know the dates are not correct but, I try to mke it excieting. I think the plane set balances out and I allways try to add some drama with my setups . I hope you like it and there are more to come I have a boat load.:aok
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Yeah, no C-47's. Guess you'll have to drive an LVT over... :D
It's just to make bases harder to capture.
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Looks fun, except for maybe the F4U-1Cs.
If I can bring my computer back to life (WinXP's registry died on me last night) I may give it a try. I haven't flown in a long time. We'll see.
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Originally posted by 68KO
Guys I know the dates are not correct but, I try to mke it excieting. I think the plane set balances out and I allways try to add some drama with my setups . I hope you like it and there are more to come I have a boat load.:aok
Not bashing it at all....just historically way off. As for plane set....
Trufthfully the best set (not totally correct historically) would be P38G/P40/P47D11 (USAAC), F6F (carrier based only) F4U-1 (USMC land based only). Japanese A6M5 (carrier based only), Ki-61 & Ki-84 (JAAF) land based only. That is the closest "historical" matchup thats really balanced. The Ki-61 can easily hold its own vs both the F6F and the -1 hog and the Ki-84 is probably best plane in set. You can add the B pony or 38J (entered pac service in late 43). But the bulk of 38's where G & H till 44...The Ki-61 entered service in June 43, the Ki-84 entered production in Aug 43 but didnt really see front line service till late 43/early 44....but you have a 6 month window from 8/43 till 2/44 where you really have a "balanced" set before the "J" and other upgrades arrive. The N1K2 wasnt really historically important and its really not needed. your "fudging in" the Ki-84 by a few months but otherwise its dead on and it gives a real contrast.
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Originally posted by Mister Fork
Yeah, no C-47's. Guess you'll have to drive an LVT over... :D
It's just to make bases harder to capture.
Nobody is going to drive an LVT for 5 hours. So basically what you're saying is base capture is off. Don't bother fixing the bomber sites then.
DA with limited planeset in the CT again.
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Originally posted by Suave
Nobody is going to drive an LVT for 5 hours. So basically what you're saying is base capture is off. Don't bother fixing the bomber sites then.
DA with limited planeset in the CT again.
What purpose does "capture" serve in the CT...historically land armies captured turf. The goal is (I thought) a recreation of historical conditions/matchups to the degree possible given planeset etc. The "capture" function is what hosed the CT in the first place by making it a version of the MA....historically the CT WAS a "dueling arena" between historically correct plane sets with the total focus on air combat. Bring that back and the numbers will rebound....
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The other option is to make just 1 (or a couple of bases) capturable.
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base capture will skew the map
Fork did the correct thing - sorry milkers
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Historically, the CT was an arena with historical matchups and base capture, NOT a figther only arena. How can you have historical matchups without bombers ? With base capture off, there is no reason to have attack or bomber missions other than pure porkage. And porked bases aren't fun for fighter squads or buff squads.
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Ok, so there's no reason to defend bases. The times when CT had the most players in it was when base capture was on. Finrus comes to mind. Don't like people milking? Get in there and stop them.
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BTW if bases aren't capturable in fightertown, why did you make them porkable ?
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Originally posted by Suave
Historically, the CT was an arena with historical matchups and base capture, NOT a figther only arena. How can you have historical matchups without bombers ? With base capture off, there is no reason to have attack or bomber missions other than pure porkage. And porked bases aren't fun for fighter squads or buff squads.
Actually the CT was not about "capture" originally. It devolved in that direction. The vast majority of the "original" CT player base didnt even fly bombers. There was no milk running or "rolling up the map". Most of the time you'd find everyone within the same one or two sectors gleefully beating the snot out of each other. If things got "lopsided" folks switched...and gleefully beat the snot (or got stomped) by their former wingman....such was life in the CT way back when. The CT was (and should be again) all about air combat between "historically correct" plane sets.
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Originally posted by Suave
Ok, so there's no reason to defend bases. The times when CT had the most players in it was when base capture was on. Finrus comes to mind. Don't like people milking? Get in there and stop them.
with low, zero, numbers in CT at certain times, it has been proven it is impossible to stop the dedicated milkers
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Since Eagler isposting here I thought I'd bring this up...back when AH2 was in beta and the "blood & oil" effects came out I grabbed a pony (1st plane with effects modeled) and went tooling around looking for some blood and oil. I ran into a 109...went thru 3 or 4? of the best one on one's I'd had in months...no shoot & scoot BS on either side...pure E to angles to E to angles as advantage swapped...never more than 2.5 or so apart and often breathmint to breathmint....everything "good and right" about the game....was eagler (no clue if I was flying as humble, azhacker, snaphook)...anyway THAT is the CT in a nutshell to me.
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that is what it is to me too
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You could've done that in h2h or DA. The CT was originally a place where you could fly your 109e or your p40 or boston or stuka and not have to worry about competing with 400mph super planes on a realistic terrain against contemporary enemies.
I came back to AH after about 2 1/2 years. Found the CT to be empty. That didn't make sense, the population of the MA is about 6 times larger, the population of the CT should be proportional. Logged into the CT and found Fightertown. Said to myself, no wonder it's empty, went back to the MA for 15 minutes. New setup yesterday, also empty. What has happened to the CT, I wonder. Maybe if I start attacking people will showup to start defending. Then I realize there's no way to take realestate. No wonder nobody is bothering to defend it. Hell the CT is empty because the war has ended there. In short I came back to find that the CT had become something boring empty. I'm just dissapointed that the arena that I had enjoyed so much is now gone. And it appears it's actually less popular now than it was when the player base was six times smaller. So I guess I'm not alone in my dissapointment.
But if that's what you want the CT to be now fine. Have your little h2h room on HTC's server and keep it empty 20 hours a day.
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Originally posted by Eagler
with low, zero, numbers in CT at certain times, it has been proven it is impossible to stop the dedicated milkers
There were a few times last week, with the Okinawa map, when the off-hour milkers reset the map. CT regulars know that this porks the whole arena until someone comes in and reloads the tables, but there are obviously a lot of people who don't know, don't care, or deliberately want to screw things up.
Probably this varies from map to map. Okinawa doesn't have a lot of bases, so attempted reset is feasible. Rhine has too many bases to do that. Solomons is closer to Okinawa, with the added problem that, because of the geography, capturing one or two critical bases will result in people have to travel a long way to find a fight.
My own opinion on base capture in the CT (or anywhere else, for that matter) is less dogmatic now than it used to be. I'd like to have everyone in fighter planes, but there's no doubt in my mind that base capture brings in people who wouldn't otherwise come. For this setup I'm with Fork and Eagler, though.
- oldman
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Actually your missing the point here, the "duel" between eagler and I was "historically correct". It happened to be in the AH beta arena instead of the CT...but it's exactly why eagler fly's the CT over the MA. It was a match up trading off strength vs strength and weakness vs weakness...I remember us talking about how much better the AH2 pony was vs the AH1 pony in an extended angles fight on the text buffer....
The CT has been "dead" for months...not because of the "fighter town" experiment. IMO the combination of "land grab" and squads killed it, others have differing viewpoints. Now in the MA everyone of our fights would probably be interupted...and we both might have flown differently. But in the beta arena...we both simply reverted to our "true form". Since the planes were different we had to fly different fights (unlike the endless spit vs spit ect in the DA) and there was a much greater emphisis on "mid game" tactics vs the "win the merge, win the fight" reality of a "duel"....
If in fact the CT reverts back to "a time of aces" instead of a "time of gangbanging landgrabbers" then it will flourish again...
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How many months has base capture been disabled to keep us ghastly landgrabbing gangbangers and squads out of your time of aces arena?
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Suave, there is a difference between milkrunning/landgrabbing and squad operations. It being disabled now is the result of a few bad apples spoiling the bunch. Not sure who the apples are but don't get angry and humble and eagler over it, they're not trying to call you out, I don't think.
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Originally posted by Suave
How many months has base capture been disabled to keep us ghastly landgrabbing gangbangers and squads out of your time of aces arena?
This is a rare occasion when base capture is disabled, but IMO it should happen more often. The ONLY time base capture should be on is when the setup is specifically about an air action that supported specific land action. D-Day and the PAC landings are examples. It is totally absurd that base capture is on for BoB '40. It shouldnt be on for most of the PAC setups or the Channel front setups until D-Day either. It probably should be on for most all Eastern Front sets and Western Front sets after D-Day, and N. Africa.
The CT is not dead because base capture is off, its dead becasue of the bad atmosphere that developed because of the players actions.
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how can you do BoB '40 without bombers ?
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What do bombers have to do with base capture being on or off? You should be able to bomb London back to the stone age, but not capture Dover.
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Originally posted by Suave
How many months has base capture been disabled to keep us ghastly landgrabbing gangbangers and squads out of your time of aces arena?
Iwouldnt know, once the mud movers took over I simply moved on....with 90% of the rest of the CT....
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Suave.
CT has been going through a coma for a few weeks now. It's starting to show a pulse again. I know things like no base capture , may be a turn off this week. Fly anyway if at all possible. If we can get participation , and numbers up. Maybe the CT staff can start running more scenarios where the base capture is a viable option.
Theres all kinds of things to complain about right now I know, but lets work with the CT staff and try to get this place on it's feet again. Sooner or later theres always a setup ya love.I hope to see you in the CT flying this week.:aok
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Originally posted by wonton
Suave, there is a difference between milkrunning/landgrabbing and squad operations. It being disabled now is the result of a few bad apples spoiling the bunch. Not sure who the apples are but don't get angry and humble and eagler over it, they're not trying to call you out, I don't think.
Not at all, I'm simply trying to answer his question. The real issue is what the CT is supposed to be. As I've stated before IMO it went south once thew checkertails arrived (not throwing rocks but calling it how I see it). They were the 1st I recall to actually run "squad op's" in the CT. Basically it started the "down hill tumble". I actually wrote multiple threads warning this would happen back then. Truthfully there is no place in the CT for "capture" anymore than there is in the SEA TOD events. If you want to run bombers to pork bases or simulate "BOB" thats great...but you cant "capture" turf with a couple of JU-52's. Realistically the CT is a "tactical" air arena using historic planesets. Once you introduce the MA mentality you no longer have the CT...
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Originally posted by Grits
What do bombers have to do with base capture being on or off? You should be able to bomb London back to the stone age, but not capture Dover.
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Originally posted by Eagler
that is what it is to me too
Dont even know if you remember that episiode Eagler...think it was right before I "quite" for the 5th or 6th time:). Was such a huge contrast from the MA (still a garbage dump IMO) it stuck with me...really showed me how much I missed the "good ol days").....
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Sauve,
I really dont think "planeset" is the issue. You can kill any plane in the set with any other plane in the set. Historically what the CT gave was the "knights of the sky" mentality that was prevelent in AW (dont know about WB's). I can recall circling for 5 minutes or longer while a 1 on 1 unfolded below...no one ever was the "fourth plane" in...if I a guy was 1 on 3 it played out till he went in or got all 3. I always gave a 5k up and let the other guy call the fight once he was trimmed out. Basically the CT was a continuation of the old FR arena in AW (IMO). It was the "code of conduct" that made it what it was. The moment it got polluted by the "new culture" of AH it went south....again just my 2 cents.
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Actually BoB with base capture on was a blast, so was channel front, so was finland, and libya.
Anybody carrying bombs with base capture off is just a porker. And we know what porkers do to fun.
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I don't really care about pretensions of chivalry, and I don't type any insipid
after I kill. In fact I try to minimize comunication with the enemy element. I used to squelch chan 1 to prevent fraternization, unless I was employing psychological warfare. I'm happy as long as they stand and fight and can't run away from me like so many MA piggy51s and Lgay7s. What's important to me is that if I'm allies, I'm killing axis planes of contermorary model, and vice versa if I'm flying axis. I don't go to the CT expecting or wanting mercy and duels. I do miss the mission planning, and coordinated strikes. And I hated big pork FR, that's where alot of the trailer park smack talkers that are in the MA came from. I stuck mostly to axis/allies arena.
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hehe....
Obviously you and I are from opposite sides of the track:)...
Nobody in AH is my "enemy" and I could care less about "babblespeak"...but I'll always recognize and acknowledge skill when I see it. As for the lala's and ponies...who cares. sounds like you'd prefer a "historically correct" gangbang over a good rumble. If you want to know why the CT "died"...just go look in the mirror:)....
*added at edit*
BTW its not a "pretense of chivalry"....
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Whatever humble. I just don't see how having base capture on prevents you, eagler and the rest of the knights of the sky from fighting eachother. But it must be a huge interference since you're so averse to compromise.
Now are you going to passive aggressively label me with more of your video game euphamisms ?
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Originally posted by Suave
Whatever humble. I just don't see how having base capture on prevents you, eagler and the rest of the knights of the sky from fighting eachother. But it must be a huge interference since you're so averse to compromise.
Now are you going to passive aggressively label me with more of your video game euphamisms ?
Not labeling you in anyway...your labeling me. I never did anything except try and answer your question about "what happened". You simply dont want accept the reality that your "style" of gameplay generated the current situation in the CT....
To guys like me the "side" isnt relevent to the outcome. I'm looking for a challenge. Running an "op" or a "coordinated strike" is just so much dribble. I just want me and someone else (or a few someone elses)...I dont care what he's in or how much alt he has...he still needs to do the work. He can be in a lala or pony or whatever. I'll fly a ki-61 p40b or snoopy's doghouse....I just dont want 8 dweebs in Jugs blowing him (or me) out of the air 10 seconds before the endgame because they're "sanitizing the area". Or porking one sides Fighter hangers in the name of digital dirt obtainment. You have 400+ mostly clueless dolts doing that in the MA everyday....go play in that sandbox.
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Originally posted by humble
Not at all, I'm simply trying to answer his question. The real issue is what the CT is supposed to be. As I've stated before IMO it went south once thew checkertails arrived (not throwing rocks but calling it how I see it). They were the 1st I recall to actually run "squad op's" in the CT. Basically it started the "down hill tumble". I actually wrote multiple threads warning this would happen back then. Truthfully there is no place in the CT for "capture" anymore than there is in the SEA TOD events.
Actually VF-27,VF-17, 880,27th Senati, and a few others ran squad ops before the Checkertails. We ran fighter sweeps, escorted bomber missions, and even the occasional base capture. Things were better then. We had heated exchanges on the BBS and some bad blood here and there, but it was still a fun arena and you could count on 30-40 guys on a night and tues and thurs nights it would be double. Squads werent bringing the place down. A few squads came along and their primary goal was landgrabbing, and porking. The 325th wasnt one of them.
Ok, so there's no reason to defend bases. The times when CT had the most players in it was when base capture was on. Finrus comes to mind. Don't like people milking? Get in there and stop them.
Suave, I think Grits, Humble, and Eagler are answering your question rather well on why base capture is off. Like Grits said, if landgrab is a part of the set up, the yes, have it on. If not, milkers will purposely pork the arena for rank and to sabotage the place.Then they post that the CTs porked on the BBS so it can be rest and they can repeat. I understand your idea of attacking a base and forcing a fight by making guys defend. Thats fine if someones there to defend. We are not here to babysit and cater to milkers.
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Not solely catering to the historical-based squads that populated the CT was the reason for it's current downswing.
Every other issue whether it was bad attitude, bad setups, bad blood or player exodus was caused by this principle root.
This is of course my opinion, and I am certain many will disagree. Some tracking the downswing to the arrival of historical-based squads. But I believe their arrival sparked a new revival in the CT and without them you will never get the CT off it's feet in the current format.
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Get over yourself. Eagler's bought my lunch enough times in the CT to know what I'm about. People in the MA are clueless dolts because they don't play the way you like? But you're not labeling in anyway, no. How did other players "style" prevent you, eagler and the other "knights of the sky" from fighting eachoter?
The CT was supposed to be the ma with axis vs allies planeset. Not the DA with limited planeset, where people can go and reassure eachother that they're superior to those "dolts" in the MA. But there's no reason it can't be both.
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My vision of the Ct is to make it like the main but with plane sets and historical terrians with base capture. I like the plane set in the CT more real life to the Air War.
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My thoughts pretty much exactly 68ko.
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Originally posted by Suave
Get over yourself. Eagler's bought my lunch enough times in the CT to know what I'm about. People in the MA are clueless dolts because they don't play the way you like? But you're not labeling in anyway, no. How did other players "style" prevent you, eagler and the other "knights of the sky" from fighting eachoter?
The CT was supposed to be the ma with axis vs allies planeset. Not the DA with limited planeset, where people can go and reassure eachother that they're superior to those "dolts" in the MA. But there's no reason it can't be both.
Sigh.....
I typed out a whole response but just deleted it....simply not worth the bandwidth.
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like Grits stated, this map and a few others are ruined with base capture - it spreads the bases to far apart given the low numbers when someone starts capturing them
unlike MA, there is no reward for capturing bases and it usually results in the arena getting hosed.
base capture is not dead, just made almost impossible n this particular map as to prevent it from happening and messing up the fragile base setup
check back, Friday/next week, I am sure it'll be back by then
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Slash27, and TheBug both hit the nail on the head as I see it. I didnt come into until after the pre-squad CT. The CT Humble discribes was before my time. When I came to AH CT was deserted. Myself, and Jester had just come over from Warbirds, and started VF-27 hoping to get some action in the CT.
I'm not saying our squad brought numbers, but the timing was fortunate. The Assassins were frequenting the CT about the same time. Other squads started joining in and it was active for a while.
Squad ops, and missions strike ,sweep, or any other are a good idea in my book. However having base capture turned off is needed on some setups because of the porking. 1v1 fights are fine , but people are here to fight. I try to stay out of a 1v1 fight, but if theres a friendly fighting more than one whats the purpose of not helping? There are guys like Eskimo, Shane, Eagler, and others that can handle a fight like that. Most people can't and appreciate the help.
Humble what your discribing sounds like the DA. The MOTD has never said "Stay out of a fight unless invited". Just because your engaged doesnt mean you own the arena . People are usually going to help a friendly in trouble. Expecting a one on one every sortie is like expecting the guy coming at you not to take the HO. This arena appeals to people for different reason. Some it's the smaller numbers , some historical matchups, some limited icons, whatever the reason. Expecting everyone to fly the way you want them to in this arena is arrogant.
Theres room for squads , missions, 1v1s , whatever you want in here. Your just not going to get it every sortie, and maybe not every week. Expectations, and constant complaints when they were not met has done a lot of damage to the CT.
We got planes we got bases, we got boats, tanks, and even bombers sometimes. If you dont like what the enemy is doing kill him. Go alone , bring your firends , it doesnt matter. Fly, and fight . You'll get the fight your looking for sooner or later.:)
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Originally posted by Shifty
Slash27, and TheBug both hit the nail on the head as I see it. I didnt come into until after the pre-squad CT. The CT Humble discribes was before my time. When I came to AH CT was deserted. Myself, and Jester had just come over from Warbirds, and started VF-27 hoping to get some action in the CT.
I'm not saying our squad brought numbers, but the timing was fortunate. The Assassins were frequenting the CT about the same time. Other squads started joining in and it was active for a while.
Squad ops, and missions strike ,sweep, or any other are a good idea in my book. However having base capture turned off is needed on some setups because of the porking. 1v1 fights are fine , but people are here to fight. I try to stay out of a 1v1 fight, but if theres a friendly fighting more than one whats the purpose of not helping? There are guys like Eskimo, Shane, Eagler, and others that can handle a fight like that. Most people can't and appreciate the help.
Humble what your discribing sounds like the DA. The MOTD has never said "Stay out of a fight unless invited". Just because your engaged doesnt mean you own the arena . People are usually going to help a friendly in trouble. Expecting a one on one every sortie is like expecting the guy coming at you not to take the HO. This arena appeals to people for different reason. Some it's the smaller numbers , some historical matchups, some limited icons, whatever the reason. Expecting everyone to fly the way you want them to in this arena is arrogant.
Theres room for squads , missions, 1v1s , whatever you want in here. Your just not going to get it every sortie, and maybe not every week. Expectations, and constant complaints when they were not met has done a lot of damage to the CT.
We got planes we got bases, we got boats, tanks, and even bombers sometimes. If you dont like what the enemy is doing kill him. Go alone , bring your firends , it doesnt matter. Fly, and fight . You'll get the fight your looking for sooner or later.:)
Ditto :)
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No hard feelings Humble.
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Hey guys, dropped into the CT tonight. Had lotsa fun, great setup
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can someone verify the posted wind settings?
it seemed like a stronger wind than 10mph and from the nw not the east as described on clipboard
it is so strong that it pushes a p38 sideways on takeoff
ty
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Ok so if there is not enough people for base capture then just fight and do not worry about the base capture. I do not think it will hurt. I think the Arena should have base capture for it is not a DA arena . All my setups will have base capture of 15 troops but no one ever does it so it is there but not a factor.
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Whens your next setup 68KO?
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Originally posted by 68KO
All my setups will have base capture of 15 troops but no one ever does it so it is there but not a factor.
That's because milkrunners usually do it by themselves, and give up after first goonies doesn't do the trick.
All it takes is literally 1 wingman to fly with you (more if you'd like cover!) and that small amount of team effort enhances the experience and makes it more realistic, if you ask me. I like requiring 15 troops. Good idea!
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Originally posted by Suave
No hard feelings Humble.
No offense taken....
I'm not communicating all that clearly...but to a degree it's like trying to describe the color "blue" to a blind person. I understand where both you and shifty are coming from and its not my place to say if that is the "right" CT....but way back when when the "MA" was lucky to break 150 and topped out at 200 or so...you had 20-40 souls in the CT almost every night. Now 80% of those folks no longer fly AH at all....but for them the CT (at that time) was primarily about the fights...not the sides or "winning the map". It was pretty common to have two or three different "mini fights" going...so if 4 guys from 1 side were "capping" a base....you could roll with no problem. usually two of them would engage (sometimes more) once you were up and out...normally the "odd guy out" would wait...or auger and up making it a 2 on 3 instead of a 1 on 4. Obviously as numbers grew things evolved to a larger fight...but folks STAYED in the arena since they were having relatively fair challenging FUN fights.
Whats evolved since then is a different mentality. Yesterday was squad night for the AK's or I'd of popped in...but with only 5 or 6 people I tend to expect 4 or 5 "squad" guys vs 1 or 2 targets. Simply not appealing....
Personally I think the squads will need to self police. For example, create a couple of wings...less than X people in the arena fly split squad. Keep the people who log in
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Originally posted by humble
Personally I think the squads will need to self police. For example, create a couple of wings...less than X people in the arena fly split squad. Keep the people who log in
I agree with you there.:D
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Originally posted by humble
so if 4 guys from 1 side were "capping" a base....you could roll with no problem. usually two of them would engage (sometimes more) once you were up and out...normally the "odd guy out" would wait...or auger and up making it a 2 on 3 instead of a 1 on 4.
This is still generally true.
- oldman
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Originally posted by Oldman731
This is still generally true.
- oldman
Not any time I've been up (which admitedly isnt often anymore). Invariably its all of 1 side clumped togeather with 1 on the gaggle being the norm....but if I see more than 10 bodies up I'll stop on in...
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Originally posted by humble
Personally I think the squads will need to self police. For example, create a couple of wings...less than X people in the arena fly split squad. Keep the people who log in
Well, if we can get some numbers up, you wont have to worry about that. As I have said many times, my squad, The Gunfighters is a non-aligned squad who's only rule is that we switch sides to even things up. We might fly Axis all week, or allied all the next week, or we might switch back and forth hourly, whatever is needed. When we first started it was only Oldman and I it was hard to have a meaningful effect on the arena though I feel it was important to do it anyway. Now we have 13 guys, all quality sticks, and we can play a crucial role in keeping the arena even.
Most of us dont fly in the CT much, but we would if there were enough up. I would spend most of my time in the CT like I used to if it could reach critical mass.
I think if we can get a couple good Allied and Axis squads, and get most of the Gunfighters in there switching sides as needed, the aligned squads wont have to worry about policing themselves or having to fly on the opposite side.
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Oringanily posted by Shifty
Whens your next setup 68KO?
Shifty the write up the past 2 weeks where mine. I have a fin russia one coming up next with German and finish against Russian.
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Not bad tonight, once the numbers got 10+.