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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: gofaster on June 07, 2005, 09:16:20 AM
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The old new uniform testing is over and the AF has made some changes, so now the new new uniform is being tested.
Story here:
http://www.af.mil/news/story.asp?storyID=123010638
You have to look real close to see them, but there's a man sitting on a bench and a woman standing just behind him.
(http://www.af.mil/media/photodb/web/041008-F-5064J-036.jpg)
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I had an hard time spotting them but the uncamoufled boot gave them away.
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I hate digital camo...it works better than the woodland pattern, but does the USAF need it? The Navy is testing the same uniform to replace our utilities with..I hope they don't pick the digita;l pattern.
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Originally posted by straffo
I had an hard time spotting them but the uncamoufled boot gave them away.
What boot?
I only see boobies
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The Army and Marines are not the only ones with people on the ground and in charge of security for their service's assets. They deserve to have the best uniform for the terrain possible as they are doing a similar job. Why they have to spend a ton of $ to research it instead of just taking the prior research done and making modifications is another question.
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The navy ones use colors that wouldn't hide you from anything. So why bother with digital? I can see the USAF i guess using it.
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Okay, I give up.... which bench?
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Originally posted by ASTAC
The navy ones use colors that wouldn't hide you from anything. So why bother with digital? I can see the USAF i guess using it.
Saw some guys walking around here with the new Navy ones. Gah! Blues and greys - so the oil, grease, and paint stains don't show up as much?! I really don't get the new Navy ones since the SEALs, CBs, and others that really use camo in combat will hopefully be keeping the old Woodland pattern anyway.
Everybody wants in on having new, distinctive camo uniforms. Using new lower maintenance materials and patterns, better thought out pocket layouts is one thing. Having a new distinctive camo pattern just for the sake of it is just...:confused:
mauser
http://www.news.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=16698&page=1
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Ohhh myyyy God!!
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Originally posted by Maverick
The Army and Marines are not the only ones with people on the ground and in charge of security for their service's assets. They deserve to have the best uniform for the terrain possible as they are doing a similar job. Why they have to spend a ton of $ to research it instead of just taking the prior research done and making modifications is another question.
In France, is AF is responsible for protecting the enclosure of their air bases, thus the AF has their own "Commandoes". If it's the same in the USAF, maybe the digital camo is justified.
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It's so the Airmen won't be spotted when they are taking a nap in the back of the C-17 they are supposed to be loading...:p
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Anyone guess what the single most common complaint about the previous test design was?
The damned blue color.
Anyone guess what they put into the new and improved test design?
The damned blue color.
Yes, there is less blue, but it's still there. Show me a blue tree or sand dune, and I'll change my mind. If we were the skydiving force of death and all of our enemies died before we touched the ground, then I'd change my mind. It shows a particularly stupid brand of stubbornness to continue to propose a blue combat uniform, when the extremely vast majority of those who would have to wear that uniform in the field object to the color blue in a field utility uniform.
I'd rather have bright international orange jumpsuits, because that would at least help cut down on friendly fire incidents. No red-blooded American shoots at international orange, but everyone is going to shoot at the USAF combat smurf team.
They need to get rid of the blue. All of it. Sheesh, I feel like I'm talking to some 5 yr old brat. No, put down the doggie doo. No, put it ALL down. Don't put it in your mouth. No, I mean it. Put the doggie doo down on the ground, not in your mouth. Put it down NOW or you'll get a spanking.
Whoever keeps putting the blue in the uniform design needs a fierce spanking, and not the good kind either. With a leather belt. With a leather belt that has metal studs. So they learn that "no g*ddamned blue field uniforms" means exactly that - no freaking blue at all in the uniform. Not even on the little tag that says how to wash it. Not even in the little velcro tabs that hold the pockets closed. Not even anywhere, so quit putting blue in there. Just stop. Now.
Hmmm I should cut-paste this and send it to the AF times. When everyone tells me not to do something, I freaking stop doing it. What's so damned tough about making a field uniform that doesn't have any blue in it? What anti-social managerial genius is so stuck on a damned blue uniform?
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But what if they are meant for the waterskiing unit of the Delta Dolphin Supersurf Special Ops Team?... or DDSSOT as we call them around here.
What about that eagl?
gotcha!
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I think that it's a pretty effective camouflage against the right background and with the right lighting. Here’s their other picture:
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/284_1118178088_041008-f-5064j-037.jpg)
eskimo
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we've had this discussion numerous times at work
there's too much light colors in the uniform and not enough dark, it doesn't BLEND with ANYTHING. Personally I work on a flightline. I have no need to be camoflauged but then again for deployment to the desert we will still use the DCUs. This is the dumbest move the USAF can possibly make.
Side note: We wear cammo on the flight line yet wear a reflective belt at night so people can see us.....WHAT"S THE POINT OF WEARING CAMMO THAN?
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well the actually cut of the uniforms is pretty much more comfortable than any others (other than my Navy coveralls but we can only wear those underway)
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Originally posted by eagl
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What anti-social managerial genius is so stuck on a damned blue uniform?
So, how do you really feel about blue? :)
culero ;)
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1. When you deploy to the desert which uniform do you take?
A: Basic training issued BDUs
B: Readiness section issued DCUs
C: Both A and B
D: How the hell am I suppose to know I'm only talking out my arse
2. Where do the majority of all USAF personell work (deployed and at home station)?
A: Flightline
B: Inside a building somewhere
C: Randomly all over the base
D: How the hell am I suppose to know I'm only talking out my arse
Your uniform is based on your enviroment. If your ignorant enough to think that you'll be taking a blue/grey uniform to the desert you might have your eyes checked. You also don't have just one uniform to choose from. There are special uniforms for every enviroment and for every special AFSC. The average USAF member won't have 5 uniforms to choose from. There is absolutely no need for that. The security forces and special forces units will use whatever uniform is called for depending on the enviroment that plan to work in. They should be the only units that actually need specialized uniforms.
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Thank cod the Navy went from dungeree bellbottoms to newer pants with real pockets where ya dont stab your gear when you sit down with something like a pen in your pocket.
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Originally posted by Cobra412
1. When you deploy to the desert which uniform do you take?
A: Basic training issued BDUs
B: Readiness section issued DCUs
C: Both A and B
D: How the hell am I suppose to know I'm only talking out my arse
2. Where do the majority of all USAF personell work (deployed and at home station)?
A: Flightline
B: Inside a building somewhere
C: Randomly all over the base
D: How the hell am I suppose to know I'm only talking out my arse
Your uniform is based on your enviroment. If your ignorant enough to think that you'll be taking a blue/grey uniform to the desert you might have your eyes checked. You also don't have just one uniform to choose from. There are special uniforms for every enviroment and for every special AFSC. The average USAF member won't have 5 uniforms to choose from. There is absolutely no need for that. The security forces and special forces units will use whatever uniform is called for depending on the enviroment that plan to work in. They should be the only units that actually need specialized uniforms.
it has been my position that fligthline maintainers need to go back to the "old school" coverals. Throw some stripes and name tapes on it and you have a MAINTAINERS uniform.
There is absolutly no ryme or reason why at home station I need to be camoflauged what so ever.
hell the irony now. We work in the desert yet wear BDUs.
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The woman is obviously a zombie...Lasz, shoot her in the head.
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Is this one of those magic eye pictures where you can only see the people in a 3D image, and you have to focus a foot beyond the screen?
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For a dessert with grasses that would do well.. But some of the footage i've seen in iraq, that ain't gonna do for that sand.
You need red/orange and white.
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Originally posted by Hawklore
For a dessert with grasses that would do well.. But some of the footage i've seen in iraq, that ain't gonna do for that sand.
You need red/orange and white.
if you see it up close it has a lot of white and blue in it. In any environment it stands out big time.
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Would be nice if all the eventual accessories match the main outfits. Olive drab stuff hung on desert camo makes quite a distinct target.
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Originally posted by Halo
Would be nice if all the eventual accessories match the main outfits. Olive drab stuff hung on desert camo makes quite a distinct target.
yea I was actually thinking about that today. Not to mention I don't beleive GORTEX (makers of fine military cold/wet weather gear) has even started making matching field jackets for the Marine's uniforms. They started getting theirs 3 years ago.
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There are hundreds, if not thousands of USAF troops on the ground in Iraq that work nowhere near the flightline. They're out past the wire making sweeps with the Army folks. In addition, the USAF is big on the security force "augmentee" concept where any troop from any career field can be called on to work with the security forces troops for a period of time, following some additional training. So just because someone is a finance troop doesn't guarantee that they'll not be walking the streets, sands, or mountains in Iraq or Afghanistan.
Some guys from Lakenheath got to set up Iraq's air traffic control centers, and they were under fire a few times. I'm not sure what they'd think about wearing blue when everyone else is wearing desert tan but I doubt they would have liked sticking out like that.
I already deploy with 3 uniforms, because the USAF recently banned civilian clothing for off-duty wear while deployed. I don't need/want another garrison uniform. If all they want to do is make a garrison uniform, make my normal blues uniform more comfy, or come up with a non-camo patterned garrison utility that isn't blue.
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Originally posted by eagl
Anyone guess what the single most common complaint about the previous test design was?
The damned blue color.
Anyone guess what they put into the new and improved test design?
The damned blue color.
Yes, there is less blue, but it's still there. Show me a blue tree or sand dune, and I'll change my mind. If we were the skydiving force of death and all of our enemies died before we touched the ground, then I'd change my mind. It shows a particularly stupid brand of stubbornness to continue to propose a blue combat uniform, when the extremely vast majority of those who would have to wear that uniform in the field object to the color blue in a field utility uniform.
I'd rather have bright international orange jumpsuits, because that would at least help cut down on friendly fire incidents. No red-blooded American shoots at international orange, but everyone is going to shoot at the USAF combat smurf team.
They need to get rid of the blue. All of it. Sheesh, I feel like I'm talking to some 5 yr old brat. No, put down the doggie doo. No, put it ALL down. Don't put it in your mouth. No, I mean it. Put the doggie doo down on the ground, not in your mouth. Put it down NOW or you'll get a spanking.
Whoever keeps putting the blue in the uniform design needs a fierce spanking, and not the good kind either. With a leather belt. With a leather belt that has metal studs. So they learn that "no g*ddamned blue field uniforms" means exactly that - no freaking blue at all in the uniform. Not even on the little tag that says how to wash it. Not even in the little velcro tabs that hold the pockets closed. Not even anywhere, so quit putting blue in there. Just stop. Now.
Hmmm I should cut-paste this and send it to the AF times. When everyone tells me not to do something, I freaking stop doing it. What's so damned tough about making a field uniform that doesn't have any blue in it? What anti-social managerial genius is so stuck on a damned blue uniform?
actually eaglr, there is blue everywhere.
the sky is blue and the sky is reflected in the environment. all over the place.
take a look outside your window on any sunny day.
its there. lots of it.
blue is also an atmosheric color. when things recede in the distance, the atmosphere tints and fades them in what color? blue.
you are standing behind a tree and your assailant happens to be looking at you with some sky showing through the branches.
yes my friend, it is a very blue world.
(oh. and water is blue and reflects blue on things too)
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You'd think the people that possess stealth technology would do a slightly better camo job.
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fer cods sake, it's the freaking airforce.
they should all look like jets.
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This goes back to common sense here. Obviously if your in the desert you'll be wearing DCUs. There is no uniform that can cover all spectrums with a flick of a switch. It's just not gonna happen anytime soon.
If you really wanna get anal who gives a watermelon about the color. IR and thermal imaging scopes would give you away in a heart beat anyway. To make it even more anal the fact you iron your uniform everyday or every other day will make you stand out at night due to the fibers that have been burnt and are now reflecting light even more than normal. So why is it no one has *****ed about ironing their uniforms? Or about polishing their boots to a nice prestine shine? What about the use of glasses which reflect light and give up your position? Or reflective belts as Gunslinger has said?
I'm sure we could name alot more things that could screw up your camo. Unless you plan on making a guille suit for everywhere you go nothing is gonna cut it.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
fer cods sake, it's the freaking airforce.
they should all look like jets.
Or runways...
eskimo
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My biggest pet peeve isn't with the color. How about the put the damned rank insignia back on the sleeves of the BDUs like they have on the Class A's?
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Then what are you going to do in the warmer months when sleeves are rolled up?
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So all that fancy camouflage, yet the Air Force flys. OMFG! a flying bush!! They need to dress like clouds, and parakeets, and things like that if they really want camo.
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The one on the right looks zombie like. Hmmm....maybe that's the solution to solving the shortfall in recruits.
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The USAF and Navy ought to try the Natgear pattern. It blends with everything.
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Can't you just roll around in the dirt where ever you are deployed to?
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Originally posted by eagl
There are hundreds, if not thousands of USAF troops on the ground in Iraq that work nowhere near the flightline. They're out past the wire making sweeps with the Army folks. In addition, the USAF is big on the security force "augmentee" concept where any troop from any career field can be called on to work with the security forces troops for a period of time, following some additional training. So just because someone is a finance troop doesn't guarantee that they'll not be walking the streets, sands, or mountains in Iraq or Afghanistan.
Some guys from Lakenheath got to set up Iraq's air traffic control centers, and they were under fire a few times. I'm not sure what they'd think about wearing blue when everyone else is wearing desert tan but I doubt they would have liked sticking out like that.
I already deploy with 3 uniforms, because the USAF recently banned civilian clothing for off-duty wear while deployed. I don't need/want another garrison uniform. If all they want to do is make a garrison uniform, make my normal blues uniform more comfy, or come up with a non-camo patterned garrison utility that isn't blue.
well said. Why come up with yet ANOTHER uniform if we deploy in a combat one. If they want to develop a purly garison uniform why not just make it a solid color like blue or green.
JB88,
Your mentally challenged if you think that uniform will blend well in any type of war fighting environment.
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well, i suppose you know better than they.
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Its better than the crap stuff our boys get issued with. surplus shops are full of the fally to pieces junk.
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So all that fancy camouflage, yet the Air Force flys. OMFG! a flying bush!! They need to dress like clouds, and parakeets, and things like that if they really want camo.
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That strikes me as really funny, Pooh21. Optical stealth. However, all Air Force people would insist on being either eagles or falcons.
Actually, futuristically speaking, thread reminds me of that Schwartzenegger (sp) flick chasing alien that blended in with its environment, the ultimate chameleon. Thought I read something about real-life research into similar reflection camouflage. Seems like the ultimate blending.
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Originally posted by Thrawn
Can't you just roll around in the dirt where ever you are deployed to?
ROFL
:lol