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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: JBA on June 07, 2005, 09:39:27 AM
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Oh that's right Kerry lost.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/06/07/yale_grades_portray_kerry_as_a_lackluster_student?mode=PF
Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his four years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his freshman year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years…..In addition to Kerry's four D's in his freshman year, he received one D in his sophomore year. He did not fail any courses
In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his senior year….. He received one D in his four years, a 69 in astronomy. Bush has said he was a C student
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But wait.... isn't that "C" average one of the mindless slaps at Booosh we always get treated to when the Bushophobics run out of ideas?
And you're saying the recent champion and standard-bearer of the Democratic party did worse?
Heavens.
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A 69 is a D? Odd.
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They are both intelligent men, or idiots...depending on who you talk to.
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Originally posted by Yeager
They are both intelligent men, or idiots...depending on who you talk to.
The key factor here is that those who either tout or demean both of those folks on this bbs are not nearly as successful as either of them. Now who is acting dumb???
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Seems to me I heard somewhere that the election was over...
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Originally posted by Curval
A 69 is a D? Odd.
Depends, it can occasionally be a double D if you're lucky.
*beat*
I gotta say, while I didn't vote for Bush, I find the 'boosh is teh stupd' posts and editorials to be boorish. If he got elected to be the second most powerful person in the world against all the competition and jockeying, then he's obviously very smart. Just because someone doesn't Gettysburg every speech doesn't mean they're dumb. Actions literally speak louder then words, and putting POTUS on your business card is a pretty significant action.
I think the same probably applies to Kerry (another guy I didn't vote for), so get off it. If grades were an accurate determination of intelligence, then there'd be no need for IQ tests, SATs, or even resumes. You'd just show up to the interview, say 'oh, btw, I got a 3.9 in college' and be hired.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
Seems to me I heard somewhere that the election was over...
was it over when the germans bombed pearl harbor?
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germans? :confused:
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Originally posted by JBA
Oh that's right Kerry lost.
http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2005/06/07/yale_grades_portray_kerry_as_a_lackluster_student?mode=PF
Kerry, who graduated two years before Bush, got a cumulative 76 for his four years, according to a transcript that Kerry sent to the Navy when he was applying for officer training school. He received four D's in his freshman year out of 10 courses, but improved his average in later years…..In addition to Kerry's four D's in his freshman year, he received one D in his sophomore year. He did not fail any courses
In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his senior year….. He received one D in his four years, a 69 in astronomy. Bush has said he was a C student
Hmmmm wonder why you left this part out....
Despite his slow start, he went on to be a top student at Naval Candidate School, command a patrol boat in Vietnam, graduate from law school, and become a prosecutor, lieutenant governor, US senator, and presidential candidate
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I don't know, but the evidence is starting to mount that this fellow really is Lurch !!
(http://cache.boston.com/bonzai-fba/Third_Party_Photo/2005/06/07/1118128925_2198.jpg)
(http://politicalhumor.about.com/library/graphics/kerry_lurch.jpg)
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Originally posted by Raider179
Hmmmm wonder why you left this part out....
Despite his slow start, he went on to be a top student at Naval Candidate School, command a patrol boat in Vietnam, graduate from law school, and become a prosecutor, lieutenant governor, US senator, and presidential candidate
Pssst Bush became a two term Governor of Texas and a two term President of the United States...
game, set match.
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Originally posted by Meatwad
germans? :confused:
John Belushi... 1941
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
John Belushi... 1941
John Belushi "Animal House"
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I guess when you have the press shilling for you a myth of being smart will exist.
.......Based on what Smith recalls teaching that year, Kerry scored a 71 and 79 in two of Smith's courses. When Smith was told those scores, he responded: ''Uh, oh. I thought he was good student. Those aren't very good grades."..........
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It was amimal house wasn't it...
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Originally posted by Krusher
Pssst Bush became a two term Governor of Texas and a two term President of the United States...
game, set match.
Or forget his failed businesses and coke/alcohol problem.
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
It was amimal house wasn't it...
Yes,
"germans?"
"don't worry he's on a roll"
"nedamyer,, dead!"
"let's do it"
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Must have been a really slow news day. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Holden McGroin
John Belushi... 1941
Wasn't that in Animal House?
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Doh! To slow.
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Originally posted by Raider179
Or forget his failed businesses and coke/alcohol problem.
Texas Rangers
Even hooked on coke and booze he did as well as Kerry in school and better in politics.
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Originally posted by JBA
In addition to Kerry's four D's in his freshman year, he received one D in his sophomore year. He did not fail any courses
In 1999, The New Yorker published a transcript indicating that Bush had received a cumulative score of 77 for his first three years at Yale and a roughly similar average under a non-numerical rating system during his senior year….. He received one D in his four years, a 69 in astronomy Bush has said he was a C student
reading these parts, what is the problem?
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Originally posted by Krusher
Texas Rangers
Even hooked on coke and booze he did as well as Kerry in school and better in politics.
Being better in politics is not always a good thing. (IMO) Maybe you count it as a plus but I don't. The only reason i put that quote in is because it shows he "he went on to be a top student at Naval Candidate School..."
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guess I should get off my kids back to make A's and B's...
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Damn avatar of Wild Bill Kelso stuck in my head....
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Ah, but you see, Gore and Kerry failed to achieve high scores because they spent their educational careers partying and drinking and enjoying life:
"Last year, when an analysis of Kerry's Navy aptitude test showed that Bush actually had a higher IQ, the top Democrat blamed his lackluster performance on drinking.
"I must have been drinking the night before I took that military aptitude test," Kerry told NBC anchorman Tom Brokaw.
President Bush suffered the same type of derision during the 2000 campaign, when critics regularly portrayed him as intellectually inferior to Al Gore.
Gore attended divinity school after graduating from Yale. But transcripts from Vanderbilt University showed that he received F's in five of the eight classes he took over the course of three semesters.
Gore left Vanderbilt without receiving a degree.
While on the other hand, Bush was of course stone-cold sober throughout college and the Air Guard and struggling to make his "C" average. He only did Coke and got blitzed on breaks.
:rolleyes:
- SEAGOON
PS: What's the old saying about how a southern accent knocks off 50 or so IQ points in the public's perception?
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kerrie drove a glorified ski boat and Bush drove a vietnam era fighter jet.
lazs
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Originally posted by ChickenHawk
Must have been a really slow news day. :rolleyes:
I agree, especially considering the fact that Joseph Stalin quitted seminary.
:D
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Just think, Custer graduated 34th in a class of 34 from West Point but went on to be the youngest general in the Union army during the Civil War. Patton did not graduate in the first level of his class at West Point.
What do school grades have to do with innate intellegence?
Each of us have inate tallents that school is not designed to illuminate at their best or even develop. It's only when you are faced with real life do you find out just how good you are at anything. The world is littered with failed geniuses and the average men who worked their butts off and became world leaders, innovators and financial giants in all walks of life.
Geniuses often get bored or are unstable and self destruct.
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Geniuses often get bored or are unstable and self destruct.
I think this thread could be a lot more interesting...
It makes me so mad :mad: to think of the few moments I have wasted reading it! :mad: :mad:
I'm going to jump out the window! Don't try and stop me!
AAAIIIiiEEeeEee!
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Originally posted by Eagler
guess I should get off my kids back to make A's and B's...
Not unless their father is a former president and scion of a political/business/corruption family.
Otherwise they are going to have to pull their own weight, and those grades will be important in more than one way.
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Hmmm... Are we having another election?
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I find it a little funny that the candidates for the presidentcy of the United States were a C and D student and the proponents of the C student are parading his grades as if they are good :lol. I guess we are lucky the C student won or who knows what might have happened. :rolleyes:
Offcorce, not being as smart as them, I only know that you cannot get a graduate degree if you get more than 2 Cs. Did any of them a get a graduate degree? If they did, what do we care what the grades of a 22 year old were? Oh, because they may support our point? Low C high D, both failuers in my book.
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Originally posted by Yeager
They are both intelligent men, or idiots...depending on who you talk to.
Well, there is a town in New England and one in Texas that are each missing their village idiots.
ack-ack
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Not unless their father is a former president and scion of a political/business/corruption family.
Otherwise they are going to have to pull their own weight, and those grades will be important in more than one way.
really?
I mean if he gets a 2/4 year degree does it matter if it is with C's or A's?
Don't think I have every seen a job app which ask for my school grades...
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Most firms want college GPA if not transcripts.
Plus the act of getting good grades teaches you some important skills.
And of course the subject matter is important too, and if you get A's... you probably know the subject matter better than the guy getting Bush/Kerry grades.
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Originally posted by bustr
Just think, Custer graduated 34th in a class of 34 from West Point but went on to be the youngest general in the Union army during the Civil War. Patton did not graduate in the first level of his class at West Point.
What do school grades have to do with innate intellegence?
Each of us have inate tallents that school is not designed to illuminate at their best or even develop. It's only when you are faced with real life do you find out just how good you are at anything. The world is littered with failed geniuses and the average men who worked their butts off and became world leaders, innovators and financial giants in all walks of life.
Geniuses often get bored or are unstable and self destruct.
Custer died and his men with him because he was stupid and engaged an enemy of unknown stength.
Are you talking about Dr. Evil?:) I see those mad scientists everywhere lol jk
Oh and Most jobs want your GPA when you apply. They take it into account.
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Does it mean that bush is an astrologist ? :D
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Originally posted by JB88
was it over when the germans bombed pearl harbor?
(http://www.hembeck.com/Images/FredSez/belushi1941.jpg)
:D
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Did somebody just use Custer as a positive example to promote Bush?
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Kerry allows Navy release of military, medical records
Show numerous commendations
By Michael Kranish, Globe Staff | June 7, 2005
WASHINGTON -- Senator John F. Kerry, ending at least two years of refusal, has waived privacy restrictions and authorized the release of his full military and medical records.
The records, which the Navy Personnel Command provided to the Globe, are mostly a duplication of what Kerry released during his 2004 campaign for president, including numerous commendations from commanding officers who later criticized Kerry's Vietnam service.
The lack of any substantive new material about Kerry's military career in the documents raises the question of why Kerry refused for so long to waive privacy restrictions. An earlier release of the full record might have helped his campaign because it contains a number of reports lauding his service. Indeed, one of the first actions of the group that came to be known as Swift Boat Veterans for Truth was to call on Kerry to sign a privacy waiver and release all of his military and medical records.
But Kerry refused, even though it turned out that the records included commendations from some of the same veterans who were criticizing him.
On May 20, Kerry signed a document called Standard Form 180, authorizing the Navy to send an ''undeleted" copy of his ''complete military service record and medical record" to the Globe. Asked why he delayed signing the form for so long, Kerry said in a written response: ''The call for me to sign a 180 form came from the same partisan operatives who were lying about my record on a daily basis on the Web and in the right-wing media. Even though the media was discrediting them, they continued to lie. I felt strongly that we shouldn't kowtow to them and their attempts to drag their lies out."
Many of the records contain praise for Kerry's service. For example, the documents quote Kerry's former commanding officers as saying he is ''one of the finest young officers with whom I have served;" is ''the acknowledged leader of his peer group;" and is ''highly recommended for promotion."
Kerry's refusal to waive privacy restrictions dates back to at least May 2003, when the Globe asked in writing for Kerry to sign the Form 180. As questions were raised about various actions in Vietnam, the Kerry campaign gradually released documents last year, but had not authorized the release of the entire file until now.
In April 2004, Kerry said he had already released his military records. ''I've shown them, they're available for you to come and look at," Kerry said in a television interview. But when a reporter showed up at campaign headquarters, he was told that no new records would be released. That prompted a flood of Republican criticism, and the campaign responded by gradually releasing more military records on its website. Kerry then released his ''fitness reports" -- evaluations by commanding officers -- on April 21, 2004.
Two days later, the campaign allowed some reporters to view Kerry's medical record but did not allow copies to be made and did not post that information online.
By signing Form 180 now, Kerry may hope to achieve several goals: settle the question of whether there is an explosive document in the file; put pressure on critics to release their military records; and try to put to rest an issue that dogged his 2004 campaign and would probably come up again if he seeks the presidency in 2008.
The file does not provide new documents about various combat actions. It contains mostly a repetition of Kerry's citations for the Silver Star, Bronze Star, and three Purple Hearts. For example, it does not include the combat ''after action reports" that detail what happened in some of the firefights in which Kerry participated. Those reports are available for public inspection at the Navy historical center in Washington and have already been widely disseminated.
John O'Neill, the leader of the Swift Boat veterans group and coauthor of the book ''Unfit for Command," said yesterday that he would be disappointed if Kerry's files do not contain new information.
''I would still have the same beliefs expressed in my book," he said.
O'Neill, who said he has already authorized the release of his records, has questioned a number of Kerry's combat actions involving the first Purple Heart, the Silver Star, and the Bronze Star.
For example, Kerry received his first Purple Heart for action on Dec. 2, 1968. Kerry told historian Douglas Brinkley that ''I never saw where the piece of shrapnel had come from." Kerry's critics have questioned whether the wound came from enemy fire, and his former commanding officer said the wound resembled a ''scratch." The file includes a previously reported reference to Kerry being treated for the wound and that he was awarded the Purple Heart, but it does not address the details of the combat that night. No after-action report for the incident has been found.