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Suppose that HTC decided that it was time to rework the MA perk points in order to lessen the whining. What perk values would you assign?
Keep in mind:
* The popularity of the plane. Very popular planes should not be virtually eliminated by per cost; people who like them would get mad. Perk value should only somewhat lesson the ability to select certain models.
* Uber performance characteristics. Such as the LA-7s speed & climb, F4U-1Cs 20mm ammo count, Tigers Main gun & armor, etc.
* Late war and rare planes. (ME-163, Ta-152, F4U-4, etc.)
* All around plane performance. (Spit-V, N1K2, etc.)
Below are my recommendations. I havent flown the MA enough in the past couple of years to believe that my perk point assignments are ideal. Id like to hear from some of you who have spent a lot of time in the MA lately. Perhaps if there is enough polite discussion on this topic, HTC will select one of your suggested lists and make another adjustment. I do believe that we are due for another change.
All stats from MA Tour 64
(Total arena kills and K/D vary somewhat from tour to tour; numbers are approximate.
List includes all fighters, Tiger, Ostwind & Ar-234)
Model
.. Kills
.. Kills / Deaths + 1
.. Perk Cost
Me 262
.. 3508
.. 5.0402
.. 200
Me 163B
.. 1319
.. 4.2548
.. 150
Tiger I
.. 16640
.. 5.8612
.. 75
Tempest
.. 5800
.. 6.0797
.. 75
Ar 234
.. 174
.. 0.3964
.. 60
F4U-4
.. 1440
.. 3.4123
.. 35
Ta 152H
.. 415
.. 1.7585
.. 30
Spitfire Mk XIV
.. 526
.. 1.3627
.. 25
F4U-1C
.. 8625
.. 2.3741
.. 20
La-7
.. 33050
.. 1.2866
.. 15
Typhoon IB
.. 23135
.. 1.5624
.. 12
Bf 109G-10
.. 15709
.. 1.4717
.. 8
Fw 190D-9
.. 13122
.. 1.4058
.. 8
N1K2
.. 28320
.. 1.2008
.. 6
Spitfire V
.. 23721
.. 1.0023
.. 6
Ostwind
.. 22375
.. 1.8469
.. 6
P-51D
.. 16956
.. 0.8023
.. 4
Spitfire Mk IX
.. 16532
.. 0.9384
.. 4
SeaFire
.. 14905
.. 1.0225
.. 4
Bf 109F-4
.. 5388
.. 1.3937
.. 4
Ki-84-Ia
.. 5107
.. 1.3183
.. 4
Fw 190A-5
.. 4144
.. 1.3686
.. 4
P-38J
.. 7982
.. 1.3079
.. 3
Bf 110G-2
.. 15223
.. 0.8154
.. 2
Fw 190A-8
.. 7270
.. 1.2483
.. 2
C.205
.. 6568
.. 1.1800
.. 2
P-47D-11
.. 1673
.. 1.3646
.. 2
Copy and paste the list below, add your own perk values:
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Model
.. Perk Cost
A6M2
..
A6M5b
..
Ar 234
..
Bf 109E-4
..
Bf 109F-4
..
Bf 109G-10
..
Bf 109G-2
..
Bf 109G-6
..
Bf 110C-4b
..
Bf 110G-2
..
C.202
..
C.205
..
F4F-4
..
F4U-1
..
F4U-1C
..
F4U-1D
..
F4U-4
..
F6F-5
..
FM2
..
Fw 190A-5
..
Fw 190A-8
..
Fw 190D-9
..
Fw 190F-8
..
Hurricane IIC
..
Hurricane IID
..
Hurricane Mk I
..
Il-2
..
Ki-61
..
Ki-84-Ia
..
La-5FN
..
La-7
..
Me 163B
..
Me 262
..
Mosquito Mk VI
..
N1K2
..
Ostwind
..
P-38G
..
P-38J
..
P-38L
..
P-40B
..
P-40E
..
P-47D-11
..
P-47-D25
..
P-47-D30
..
P-51B
..
P-51D
..
SeaFire
..
Spitfire Mk I
..
Spitfire Mk IX
..
Spitfire Mk XIV
..
Spitfire V
..
Ta 152H
..
Tempest
..
Tiger I
..
Typhoon IB
..
Yak-9T
..
Yak-9U
..
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Model
.. Perk Cost
A6M2
.. 0
A6M5b
.. 0
Ar 234
.. 50
Bf 109E-4
.. 0
Bf 109F-4
.. 0
Bf 109G-10
.. 0
Bf 109G-2
.. 0
Bf 109G-6
.. 0
Bf 110C-4b
.. 0
Bf 110G-2
.. 0
C.202
.. 0
C.205
.. 0
F4F-4
.. 0
F4U-1
.. 0
F4U-1C
.. 0
F4U-1D
.. 0
F4U-4
.. 0
F6F-5
.. 0
FM2
.. 0
Fw 190A-5
.. 0
Fw 190A-8
.. 0
Fw 190D-9
.. 0
Fw 190F-8
.. 0
Hurricane IIC
.. 0
Hurricane IID
.. 0
Hurricane Mk I
.. 0
Il-2
.. 0
Ki-61
..0
Ki-84-Ia
.. 0
La-5FN
.. 0
La-7
.. 0
Me 163B
.. 100
Me 262
.. 200
Mosquito Mk VI
.. 0
N1K2
.. 0
Ostwind
.. 0
P-38G
.. 0
P-38J
.. 0
P-38L
.. 0
P-40B
.. 0
P-40E
.. 0
P-47D-11
.. 0
P-47-D25
.. 0
P-47-D30
.. 0
P-51B
.. 0
P-51D
.. 0
SeaFire
.. 0
Spitfire Mk I
.. 0
Spitfire Mk IX
.. 0
Spitfire Mk XIV
.. 0
Spitfire V
.. 0
Ta 152H
.. 0
Tempest
.. 50
Tiger I
.. 50
Typhoon IB
.. 0
Yak-9T
.. 0
Yak-9U
.. 0
Oops ... thanks Karnak
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SlapShot,
I see where you are going, but why the free Ar234? Seems out of place.
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la7 15....
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Appreciate the effort but -
When a Spit V costs more than a Pony it's a farce, thats about as polite as I can put it.
Basically I'd base the perk cost on its ENY value, after all that is supposed to be a measure of how 'good' it is.
So if a 262 is 200 @ ENY 5 thats 40 perks per ENY
So going from that
ENY 5 =200
ENY 6 = 160
ENY 7 =120
ENY 8 = 80
ENY 9 = 40
ENY 10 and above = FREE
Obviously with that system aircraft ENY's would need to be adjusted.
All pie in the sky anyway, contrary to you I don't believe any change is on the way, or nothing meaningful anyway. I believe the last change was some time ago and all that was was the lowering of the LA7 ENY value.
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What SlapShot said:aok
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Be careful what you ask for, as you just might get it :(
The perk system is so screwed up as it is. Just leave it alone. Anything we can suggest will in all probability just make things worse.
Too many people whined about planes, and we ended up perking the C Hog. And from then on it just went down hill.
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Originally posted by AKFokerFoder+
and we ended up perking the C Hog.
....and that was a very good thing.
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Originally posted by Karnak
....and that was a very good thing.
Beauty is in the eye of the beer holder. ;)
Those who believe that they have the right to make others behave as they dictate walk far from the path of truth.
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Those who believe that they have the right to make others behave as they dictate walk far from the path of truth.
Except this ain't no democracy.
The creators of the game agreed that it was ruining arena balance - 20% of all kills in the arena achieved by a single plane type. Thus, in the interest of all, they dictated it should be perked, and so it has been done.
So far, I'm loving it.
Cheap perks work.
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[B]Model[/B] [B]Perk Cost[/B] [B]Reason[/B]
A6M2 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
A6M5b 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Ar 234 20 Speed
B 24 5 Speed / Bomb Load
Bf 109E-4 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Bf 109F-4 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Bf 109G-10 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Bf 109G-2 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Bf 109G-6 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Bf 110C-4b 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Bf 110G-2 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
C.202 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
C.205 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
F4F-4 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
F4U-1 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
F4U-1C 6 Gun Package
F4U-1D 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
F4U-4 30 Speed / Accel
F6F-5 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
FM2 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Fw 190A-5 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Fw 190A-8 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Fw 190D-9 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Fw 190F-8 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Hurricane IIC 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Hurricane IID 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Hurricane Mk I 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Il-2 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Ki-61 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Ki-84-Ia 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
La-5FN 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
La-7 6 Speed / Accel / Climb
Me 163B 40 Speed / Accel / Climb / Gun *Reduced because of range / Fragility
Me 262 200 Speed / Gun
Mosquito Mk VI 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
N1K2 3 Gun Package
Ostwind 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-38G 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-38J 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-38L 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-40B 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-40E 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-47D-11 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-47-D25 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-47-D40 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-51B 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-51D 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
SeaFire 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Spitfire Mk I 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Spitfire Mk IX 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Spitfire Mk XIV 30 Speed / Climb
Spitfire V 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Ta 152H 6 Speed / Gun
Tempest 40 Speed / Gun / Climb
Tiger I 35 Gun Package
Typhoon IB 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Yak-9T 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Yak-9U 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
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Originally posted by Kweassa
Except this ain't no democracy.
The creators of the game agreed that it was ruining arena balance - 20% of all kills in the arena achieved by a single plane type. Thus, in the interest of all, they dictated it should be perked, and so it has been done.
Exactly! This is not a democracy; maybe you are not as far from the truth as it would appear.
This is HTs ballpark, HT's game, he makes the rules, and we only pay to play the game.
If HT wants an uber SpitV, we get an uber SpitV. If he wants to pork the 190s, we get porked 190s, if he wants uber 190s, we get uber 190s. If he wants to perk the LA7, we get perked LA7s. He needs no rhyme or reason to perk or unperk, I am sure you get the picture. As the creator of Aces High, he is not unlike a god, and his universe answers to him, and a god answers to no one.
If you want to enjoy this game, then you must learn to enjoy it as it is. If we believe that we can only extract happiness if things are run our way, we are not going to be very happy in this life. Aces High is what it is, and I will enjoy it as I want too.
If HT porks and perks the C Hog, I will fly something else. If we have a ENY system that says I cant fly a PonyD anytime I want to, then I will fly something else when I want to. No one forces me to fly, I can just log off.
I can adapt to the game. And it is only a game. Realism in an online combat flight sim is an illusion. We are not real pilots in a real world. We are gamers in an online first person shooter that has a WW2 fighter plane theme.
Only the truth can set you free, all else is illusion and false hood. In the later we only become enslaved by our self-centeredness.
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LOL that lists is sooo biased...
If La-7 should be perked... Guess what... P-51D, Fw-190D-9, Bf-109G-10 should go down along with La-7 too!:aok
Reasons
P-51... long range + ultra hi performance at ALL alts.
109G-10... same as spit XIV - climb + speed + accel, on par with La-7
Fw190D-9... a heavier "variant" of La-7... :D
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Only the truth can set you free, all else is illusion and false hood. In the later we only become enslaved by our self-centeredness.
* Eeeeeeeehht! *
Wrong.
There is no such things as truth. All "truth" is already self centered. Every opinion always meets opposition, and every change will always disgruntle someone else. We all "dictate" as we see fit. The only question is how many people can one pursuade.
The perks against the Chog was pursuasive enough to HTC in the fact that a certain consensus formed against that plane, and that consensus was backed up by stats. The only people who resisted this change were those who were using Chogs as mainstay planes - whom by the way, were every bit as much "self-centered" as those who who opposed it. Unfortunately to the Choggers, all the "selves" who opposed perk-free Chogs outnumbered the "selves" that supported perk-free Chogs.
It's basically the same thing in this case.
It's a clash of interests. Certain planes are claimed to be disruptive to arena balance. Some people will oppose the claim, others will support it.
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Originally posted by JB73
[B]Model[/B] [B]Perk Cost[/B] [B]Reason[/B]
A6M2 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
A6M5b 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Ar 234 20 Speed
B 24 5 Speed / Bomb Load
Bf 109E-4 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Bf 109F-4 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Bf 109G-10 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Bf 109G-2 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Bf 109G-6 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Bf 110C-4b 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Bf 110G-2 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
C.202 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
C.205 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
F4F-4 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
F4U-1 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
F4U-1C 6 Gun Package
F4U-1D 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
F4U-4 30 Speed / Accel
F6F-5 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
FM2 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Fw 190A-5 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Fw 190A-8 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Fw 190D-9 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Fw 190F-8 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Hurricane IIC 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Hurricane IID 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Hurricane Mk I 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Il-2 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Ki-61 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Ki-84-Ia 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
La-5FN 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
La-7 6 Speed / Accel / Climb
Me 163B 40 Speed / Accel / Climb / Gun *Reduced because of range / Fragility
Me 262 200 Speed / Gun
Mosquito Mk VI 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
N1K2 3 Gun Package
Ostwind 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-38G 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-38J 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-38L 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-40B 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-40E 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-47D-11 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-47-D25 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-47-D40 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-51B 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-51D 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
SeaFire 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Spitfire Mk I 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Spitfire Mk IX 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Spitfire Mk XIV 30 Speed / Climb
Spitfire V 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Ta 152H 6 Speed / Gun
Tempest 40 Speed / Gun / Climb
Tiger I 35 Gun Package
Typhoon IB 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Yak-9T 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Yak-9U 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
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Good list,
But how did you get you columns so perfect?
eskimo
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Originally posted by JB73
[B]Model[/B] [B]Perk Cost[/B] [B]Reason[/B]
A6M2 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
A6M5b 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Ar 234 20 Speed
B 24 5 Speed / Bomb Load
Bf 109E-4 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Bf 109F-4 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Bf 109G-10 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Bf 109G-2 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Bf 109G-6 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Bf 110C-4b 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Bf 110G-2 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
C.202 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
C.205 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
F4F-4 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
F4U-1 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
F4U-1C 6 Gun Package
F4U-1D 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
F4U-4 30 Speed / Accel
F6F-5 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
FM2 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Fw 190A-5 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Fw 190A-8 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Fw 190D-9 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Fw 190F-8 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Hurricane IIC 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Hurricane IID 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Hurricane Mk I 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Il-2 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Ki-61 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Ki-84-Ia 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
La-5FN 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
La-7 6 Speed / Accel / Climb
Me 163B 40 Speed / Accel / Climb / Gun *Reduced because of range / Fragility
Me 262 200 Speed / Gun
Mosquito Mk VI 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
N1K2 3 Gun Package
Ostwind 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-38G 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-38J 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-38L 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-40B 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-40E 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-47D-11 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-47-D25 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-47-D40 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-51B 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
P-51D 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
SeaFire 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Spitfire Mk I 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Spitfire Mk IX 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Spitfire Mk XIV 30 Speed / Climb
Spitfire V 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Ta 152H 6 Speed / Gun
Tempest 40 Speed / Gun / Climb
Tiger I 35 Gun Package
Typhoon IB 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Yak-9T 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
Yak-9U 0 [size=1]NA[/size]
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lol No perks for the G10 and D9 .....oh wait , you fly them don't you ;)
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Originally posted by Kweassa
* Eeeeeeeehht! *
Wrong.
There is no such things as truth. All "truth" is already self centered. Every opinion always meets opposition, and every change will always disgruntle someone else. We all "dictate" as we see fit. The only question is how many people can one pursuade.
Truth is not self centered; it is reality centered.
In order for truth to be truth, it must be based in reality, all science depends on it.
No you say? Then go to the top of a tall building. Step off. The truth is you will fall at 32 feet per second per second until you hit the ground. If you don't believe me try it. If you don't fall, then come back and tell me that gravity isn't true, if it is true, then we won't get a reply from you on the BBS.
The truth is that Aces High is a online multiplayer dungeon, and it is of the first person shooter genre. My statement is imperical, it is based in reality. If you don't know what a multiplayer dungeon, or a first person shooter is, check it out
I don't try to dictate anything. I am just pointing out that HT is the god of this universe, or perhaps more correctly the dungeon master. Both have the same effect. He decides how we will play the game and what the game will be. If he choses wisely, AH will be around a long time. Not because it is "realistic," but because it is immersive and enjoyable to those who play it.
I also pointed out that if you really want to enjoy Aces High, then enjoy it as it is, and you will have a lot more fun.
And that is Truth.
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I would go with JB73 s list. Formating is done using the >>>code<<< tag.
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I like JB73's list. I would make the C-Hog 10 -15 perks as it is now. I fly it alot too, I believe it's a reasonable amount to pay to fly it. If I lose a few I just up a mossy, P40, 205 or something and make those perks back up in a sortie. I would like the LA7 the same as the C-Hog. I would add the G-10 and D9 at 5 perks. The rest I like. Main thing is perk the LA7. I bet I hear at least 50 times a night people wanting the LA7 perked. Not neccessarly due to it uberness, but do to every where ya look 3-4 out of 5 planes is a LALA. Just my opion.
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One question. what is the big deal about the G10 and Dora being perked? Crappy turners, avg. guns, avg. speed,good climb, and avg. range. Nothing great about them. The pony should be perked before they are.
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Originally posted by TrueKill
One question. what is the big deal about the G10 and Dora being perked? Crappy turners, avg. guns, avg. speed,good climb, and avg. range. Nothing great about them. The pony should be perked before they are.
People running these threads and promoting these perk systems often have an agenda - which is they fly plane X or plane Y , get pissed off when a Lala catches them running away, so they want the lala perked so they can be in the fastest unperked plane .
Personally I don't give a toss either way , I just find it funny.
but I'm not sure how you qualify the Dora or the G10 as average speed - they seem mighty fast to me. Would they both be in the top 5 fastest unperked planes ?
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Originally posted by Redd
People running these threads and promoting these perk systems often have an agenda - which is they fly plane X or plane Y , get pissed off when a Lala catches them running away, so they want the lala perked so they can be in the fastest unperked plane .
Personally I don't give a toss either way , I just find it funny.
but I'm not sure how you qualify the Dora or the G10 as average speed - they seem mighty fast to me. Would they both be in the top 5 fastest unperked planes ?
I believe they are Redd.
Also look how the one of the best planes for getting both of them the Spit 14 is still perked ridiculously high at 30 allegedly for speed and climb.
Yet for instance a plane perked for speed, climb and acceleraiton (LA7 ) is only 5.
Just another slanted list based on what the guy flies.
Interesting way to try it would be to say speed=3 perks, guns=2 perks etc. Set a min speed over which planes are perked, min guns.
Dunno just think it's pointless anyway, nothing is gonna happen, HT is stuck in his current system
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Originally posted by TrueKill
One question. what is the big deal about the G10 and Dora being perked? Crappy turners, avg. guns, avg. speed,good climb, and avg. range. Nothing great about them. The pony should be perked before they are.
190 = good runner + roll rate + good gun package
109 = good runner + good climber + 2 good gun packages
With DT range is all but certainly not average.
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I like JB73s list, but there are only a couple changes: I wouldn't perk the N1k as it is spit bait in most cases. I know it has 900 rounds of ammo, but when its pieces come raining down it doesn't much matter how much ammo the pilot (who's now on fire) had left.
Also, the 152 shouldn't have a perk value in my opinion. That plane should have an eny of about 30-35. The 30mm is nice and all but that thing is a cow.
I am in disagreement with you guys that say the g10 and dora should be perked. Sure, the dora can run, but it can be handled fairly easily. And the G10 compresses at 450, which means it isn't going to run down a 51 or a tiffy in a dive without lawndarting. It also doesn't have the turn rate that the la7 has. There are only a handful of folks (most of them start with the letters JB) who really enjoy the G10 and fly it like it is supposed to be flown. It has an ENY of 20... not perk deserving IMO.
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Try basing perks values along the lines of
Year made
1942 and earlier = 0
1943 - 1
1944 - 2
1945 - 3
Speed
350 - 360 = 1
361 - 370 = 2
371 - 380 = 3
381 - 390 = 4
391 and above = 5
Guns
4x20mm = 3
2X20mm = 2
30mm = 1
Numbers made
1000+ = 0
751 - 999 = 1
501 - 750 = 2
251 - 749 = 3
101 - 250 = 4
<100 = 5
Make them cumulative, so you add up the perks for each category.
N.B. the values and sub categories are only a quick off the top of my head list. I'm sure people can expand or come up with different or better stuff (esp in the guns category). I would suggest each category (apart from prob date) goes from 0-5.
At least with a system like this, perk values aren't arbitrarily given to a plane.
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Originally posted by eskimo2
Good list,
But how did you get you columns so perfect?
eskimo
using the tag allows tab stops to be shown correctly.
kind of taking tab deliminated text from notepad, and letting it show properly here
on topic of the 190D9 being perked or not....
yes it is fast, but it can almots be out-turned by a lancaster. also if i perk the 190d i have to perk the p51D and that will NEVER happen.
speed is all it has going for it and nothing in my list is perked because of speed alone.
the G10 (K14)... i struggled over that, and came to the conclusion that i would PO a bunch of squaddies if i did LOL : )
notice the most of the prop planes perked really low, and i personally thought i'd have no problem spending those few perks.
what it would do is make people hesitste upping them from a capped field. no more suicide guns blazing HO to get to the goon. kamakazi bombing is not modeled in game, but i see no difference in the lone la7 upping to "get the goon"
oh well it was just my idea.
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B-29 50
F-80 100
F-86 200
MIG-15 200
Mig-17 250
:aok
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MIG-15 should be at 225 IMO.
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Model Perk Cost Reason
all except P38s 5-200 they not pretty
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I think the perks have to do mostly with the ease at which one can get kills in a plane.
The other reason is rarity/invulnerability.
Tigers are perked because they're basically invulnerable and can kill anything out to 3 miles ;)
Perking the Mustang I think would not be neccesary, as those who fly it tend to fly it smart, and their the kind of folk with the patience required to fly it. When the average arena guy wants speed, he grabs an LA-7.
Speaking of which, the LA-7 should be perked like the CHog. I think that would cut down on the abuse of the plane as a disposable super cannon speed machine, and make people want to survive in it.
Jets of course need to be perked.
The -4 hawg....I dunno. Is it's performance that spectacular? need more info.
More to come...
reb
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Why did the P38J make the list but not the -L?
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Model
.. Perk Cost
A6M2
..0
A6M5b
..0
Ar 234
..30 Speeds about all its got.
Bf 109E-4
..0
Bf 109F-4
.. 0
Bf 109G-10
.. 5 Used heavily, good guns/speed
Bf 109G-2
.. 0
Bf 109G-6
.. 0
Bf 110C-4b
.. 0
Bf 110G-2
.. 0
C.202
.. 0
C.205
.. 0
F4F-4
.. 0
F4U-1
.. 0
F4U-1C
.. 15 Guns, other then that its not THAT great.
F4U-1D
.. 0
F4U-4
.. 25 Good speed, accel.
F6F-5
.. 0
FM2
.. 0
Fw 190A-5
..0
Fw 190A-8
.. 0
Fw 190D-9
.. 5 used heavily, good speed, etc
Fw 190F-8
.. 0
Hurricane IIC
..0
Hurricane IID
.. 0
Hurricane Mk I
.. 0
Il-2
.. 0
Ki-61
..0
Ki-84-Ia
..0
La-5FN
.. 0
La-7
.. 10 used entirely to much, good speed/turn and climb
Me 163B
..40 awesome speed/guns, severely limited range
Me 262
.. 200 this explains itself.
Mosquito Mk VI
..0
N1K2
.. 5 guns/turn... used alot
Ostwind
.. 0
P-38G
.. 0
P-38J
.. 0
P-38L
.. 0
P-40B
.. 0
P-40E
.. 0
P-47D-11
..0
P-47-D25
.. 0
P-47-D30
.. 0
P-51B
.. 0
P-51D
..5 range,speed and its used alot
SeaFire
.. 0
Spitfire Mk I
..0
Spitfire Mk IX
.. 5 turn/ used alot
Spitfire Mk XIV
.. 15 IMHO, no better in the MA then 51D or 190D, the attributes/ usage itd see with no perk give it the 15 perks.
Spitfire V
.. 0
Ta 152H
.. 15 same as spit 14.
Tempest
.. 50 guns/speed
Tiger I
.. 35 main gun/armor. So many GV drivers have the perks stored up they can up these like nothin. New people to the game need more of a chance to work up the pts to get one.
Typhoon IB
..0
Yak-9T
.. 0
Yak-9U
..0
B-24...7 Both of these, just so we have some more to use bomber perks on. Out of the bombers, their speed/ord load, 5-7 perks is ok i think.
B-17...5
i sorta did my list based on performance/usage. I.E
La7, 51D, 190D are all used enough and their performance great enough, they shuold be perkd some. Perking these planes wont do anything in the overall view of it IMHO.
If a 51D driver or 190D driver wants some perks to fly their plane. All hes gotta do it hop in a 51B or 190A-8/5 for afew sorties and hes got his perks in general. But it should somewhat limit seeing these planes SO much.
The Ta-152 and Spit14 are entirely over perkd.
The reason i dont think you can base perks off of the year/numbers created is because of planes like these. Ta-152 perfect example. Created later in the war, not as high numbers. But in the MA its just on par probably not even with the 51Ds etc.
I think you have to perk based on actual MA conditions, like many have said, this is a game and is nothing like actual ww2.
I know some of the costs may seem low. But for some of these perk planes, it needs to be lower. Spit14, Ta-152, F4u-4, not alota people wana fly these planes because for their perk cost, the performance sucks. Who wants to spend 50 perks for an F4U-4, when a 51D thats, in game standards, just as good or better can risk blowing you away at no cost.
This is all off the top of the head. Sorry for spelling or grammer mistakes.
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My post will be lost in this thread...but
Why doesn't the low ENY planes get perked before going to unavailable. So a 7 ENY plane would go to 10 or 15 perk points to keep using it, then if numbers continue to get skewed, it goes unavailable.
Just a suggestion.
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Originally posted by pellik
Why did the P38J make the list but not the -L?
My list isnt more valid than anyone elses. I perked the P-38J because it has a K/D of 1.3 and the P-38L only has a K/D of 0.7. Perhaps the L is used more for suicide jabo runs and they should be the same
I dont know. That is a huge difference in K/D between two models that are well used though; it suggests that one is pretty good and the other kind of sucks.
K/D is an important indicator.
So is Total Arena Kills
Model Kills
Panzer IV H 52726
La-7 33050
N1K2 28320
Ship Gunner 28310
Spitfire V 23721
Typhoon IB 23135
Ostwind 22375
P-51D 16956
Tiger I 16640
Spitfire Mk IX 16532
Bf 109G-10 15709
Bf 110G-2 15223
SeaFire 14905
Fw 190D-9 13122
P-38L 9816
B-24J 9040
Il-2 8848
F4U-1C 8625
Hurricane IIC 8473
F4U-1D 8082
F6F-5 7990
P-38J 7982
Fw 190A-8 7270
M-16 7229
C.205 6568
Tempest 5800
A6M5b 5433
Bf 109F-4 5388
Lancaster III 5307
P-47-D30 5208
Ki-84-Ia 5107
La-5FN 4689
PT Boat 4567
Fw 190A-5 4144
Yak-9U 4059
B-26B 3981
B-17G 3855
Me 262 3508
Mosquito 3353
F4U-1 3139
Bf 109G-6 3108
A-20G 2969
T-34 2188
Bf 109G-2 2156
Chute 2017
P-47-D25 2012
P-38G 1897
P-47D-11 1673
FM2 1572
M-3 1498
P-51B 1462
F4U-4 1440
Me 163B 1319
Fw 190F-8 1222
M-8 1201
Ju 88 1135
Yak-9T 1105
Ki-61 1067
Gunner 870
P-40E 776
LVTA2 772
LVTA4 702
Hurricane IID 616
A6M2 596
Ki-67 594
F4F-4 592
Spit Mk XIV 526
Ta 152H 415
TBM-3 395
C.202 329
Spitfire Mk I 288
C-47A 287
Bf 110C-4b 281
P-40B 259
Ju 87D-3 253
Bf 109E-4 243
Hurricane Mk I 240
Ar 234 174
SBD-5 137
D3A1 134
Boston III 81
B5N2 72
eskimo
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eskimo learned COAD : )
hehehe
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Yes, I think 1943 would be a better setting, tough:
A6M2
A6M5b
Ar 234B 40 Jet, very high speed
Bf 109E-4
Bf 109F-4
Bf 109G-10 10 1944 superfighter
Bf 109G-2
Bf 109G-6
Bf 110C-4b
Bf 110G-2
C.202
C.205
F4F-4
F4U-1
F4U-1C 10 1945 fighter, great gun/ammo package
F4U-1D
F4U-4
F6F-5 10 1944 superfigher/bomber
FM2
Fw 190A-5
Fw 190A-8
Fw 190D-9 10 1944 superfighter
Fw 190F-8
Hurricane IIC
Hurricane IID
Hurricane Mk I
Il-2
Ki-61
Ki-84-Ia 10 1944 superfighter
La-5FN
La-7 20 1944/45 ultrafighter
Me 163B 40 very fast, very high climb
Me 262 150 very fast, great guns
Mosquito Mk VI
N1K2 10 1945 superfighter
Ostwind
P-38G
P-38J
P-38L 10 1944 superfighter
P-40B
P-40E
P-47D-11
P-47-D25
P-47-D30 10 1944 superfighter/bomber
P-51B
P-51D 10 1944 superfighter
SeaFire
Spitfire Mk I
Spitfire Mk IX
Spitfire Mk XIV 10 1944 superfighter
Spitfire V
Ta 152H 10 1945 superfighter
Tempest 30 1944 ultrafighter
Tiger I 40 gun and armor
Typhoon IB 10 1944 superfighter/bomber
Yak-9T
Yak-9U 10 1944 superfighter
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Model
.. Perk Cost
A6M2
..0
A6M5b
..0
Ar 234
..50
Bf 109E-4
..0
Bf 109F-4
..0
Bf 109G-10
..5
Bf 109G-2
..0
Bf 109G-6
..0
Bf 110C-4b
..0
Bf 110G-2
..0
C.202
..0
C.205
..0
F4F-4
..0
F4U-1
..0
F4U-1C
..5
F4U-1D
..0
F4U-4
..0
F6F-5
..0
FM2
..0
Fw 190A-5
..0
Fw 190A-8
..0
Fw 190D-9
..0
Fw 190F-8
..0
Hurricane IIC
..5
Hurricane IID
..0
Hurricane Mk I
..0
Il-2
..0
Ki-61
..0
Ki-84-Ia
..0
La-5FN
..100
La-7
..150
Me 163B
..50
Me 262
..150
Mosquito Mk VI
..0
N1K2
..5
Ostwind
..0
P-38G
..0
P-38J
..0
P-38L
..0
P-40B
..0
P-40E
..0
P-47D-11
..0
P-47-D25
..0
P-47-D30
..0
P-51B
..0
P-51D
..5
SeaFire
..0
Spitfire Mk I
..0
Spitfire Mk IX
..0
Spitfire Mk XIV
..5
Spitfire V
..0
Ta 152H
..0
Tempest
..10
Tiger I
..25
Typhoon IB
..0
Yak-9T
..0
Yak-9U
..0
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Hey JB73, i dont agree with you JB guys very much, but I completely support your perkies choice and you have my vote. (S)
Skipz
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Although I think that they are very cool planes, I dont fly the P-38s and P-47s much. Can someone explain what makes some models so much better? Why does the P-38J have nearly double the K/D of the L? Why does the P-47D-11 have such a better K/D than the other P-47s?
eskimo
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Originally posted by eskimo2
Although I think that they are very cool planes, I dont fly the P-38s and P-47s much. Can someone explain what makes some models so much better? Why does the P-38J have nearly double the K/D of the L? Why does the P-47D-11 have such a better K/D than the other P-47s?
eskimo
I would guess that the P-38L and P-47D-40 are being used for jabo work by average people taking the best tool for the job a lot whereas the P-38G, P-38J and P-47D-11 are being used for air-to-air by skilled fans of those aircraft.
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Originally posted by Karnak
I would guess that the P-38L and P-47D-40 are being used for jabo work by average people taking the best tool for the job a lot whereas the P-38G, P-38J and P-47D-11 are being used for air-to-air by skilled fans of those aircraft.
You would be correct. I usually only drag out the L when I'm carrying ordinance, because only the L has the good rockets AND dive flaps. I don't fly the G because I know I'm simply not good enough. Jabo work is hazardous, especially if you are set on making the attack enough to keep your ordinance at almost all costs. I use the J as a pure fighter. The only P-47 I fly is the D-40. The razorback I just can't see out of.
I'd say the big reason for the K/D ratio of the P-38J is that guys like KillnU, Pellik, Murdr, and other really good sticks are flying it a lot more than the L. The G and J make good perk farmers as well.
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the big reason for the K/D ratio of the P-38J is that guys like KillnU, Pellik, Murdr, and other really good sticks are flying it a lot more than the L. The G and J make good perk farmers as well.
although im flattered, i dont fly the J much anymore at all. dont think i upped one this tour. im a G guy all the way. L is only for jabo. J just collects dust for me.
I know pellik is a big J fan, must be his fault. hehe
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The P-38L doesn't really qualify as a late war (1944) superfighter.
As a fighter, the ONLY advantage the P-38L has over the P-38J we have is dive flaps and boosted ailerons. Otherwise, with regards to performance and firepower it is the same plane. The dive flaps don't do anyone much good in a fight, and the boosted ailerons are only an advantage at speeds over 275MPH, the fight never stays there for long. IF the P-38L had the power Lockheed rated it for, I'd say it was a perk candidate. However, the planes are equal in power, and the L is SUPPOSED to be heavier.
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Originally posted by Redd
People running these threads and promoting these perk systems often have an agenda - which is they fly plane X or plane Y , get pissed off when a Lala catches them running away, so they want the lala perked so they can be in the fastest unperked plane .
Personally I don't give a toss either way , I just find it funny.
but I'm not sure how you qualify the Dora or the G10 as average speed - they seem mighty fast to me. Would they both be in the top 5 fastest unperked planes ?
They are avg. speed because there are many planes that can run them down. Plus anyone who says the G10 has a good gunpackage dont fly it. It has a bad gunpackage unless you put the gondies on then the plane is slower, slower turn, and slower roll. LA7 is the uberest plane ever it can out turn and out run the G10 and dora.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
The P-38L doesn't really qualify as a late war (1944) superfighter.
As a fighter, the ONLY advantage the P-38L has over the P-38J we have is dive flaps and boosted ailerons. Otherwise, with regards to performance and firepower it is the same plane. The dive flaps don't do anyone much good in a fight, and the boosted ailerons are only an advantage at speeds over 275MPH, the fight never stays there for long. IF the P-38L had the power Lockheed rated it for, I'd say it was a perk candidate. However, the planes are equal in power, and the L is SUPPOSED to be heavier.
Excuses. The P-38L is decisively better as a multirole platform that most any 1943 fighter. Frankly I'd like to put the P-38J on the list too, but I didn't think that suggestion would be fair to P-38 fans.
Note that I put the F6F-5 on the list too.
Originally posted by TrueKill
They are avg. speed because there are many planes that can run them down. Plus anyone who says the G10 has a good gunpackage dont fly it. It has a bad gunpackage unless you put the gondies on then the plane is slower, slower turn, and slower roll. LA7 is the uberest plane ever it can out turn and out run the G10 and dora.
If you think the Bf109G-10 and Fw190D-9 are "average" in speed you're nuts. If you think "many" fighters can run them down you're simply flat out wrong, unless your personal definition of the word "many" is the same as nearly everybody else's definition of the word "few".
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Originally posted by Karnak
Excuses. The P-38L is decisively better as a multirole platform that most any 1943 fighter. Frankly I'd like to put the P-38J on the list too, but I didn't think that suggestion would be fair to P-38 fans.
Note that I put the F6F-5 on the list too.
Excuses? Hardly. Please demonstrate the DECISIVE performance edge you claim. The J model, by the way, was developed in 1943, and not 1944.
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The P38L and P38J compete reasonably well for performance as a fighter. They both stall fight like a dream, and they both offer the best guns package in the game (IMO). Like the P47-D11 which is also on the list, the P38 is attractive to the more skilled pilots in the game. These arn't "uber" planes as far as performance goes, but in the right hands they have great potential.
The large difference in K/D between the PL and PJ has two main causes. To your average noob who wants to fly a 38 after getting schooled in his n1k the PL looks much more promising. It's ENY is a full 20 points lower then the PJ, so obviously the PL must be more uber-er. Like the P47-D11, reguardless of performance the PJ simply looks too intimidating for the noobs. Then there's the difference in ordinance options. The PJ simply doesn't have the mega rocket option of the PL, nor does it offer dive flaps. Jabo pilots don't live long, and with them goes the PLs K/D.
It's also worth note to consider just how much effect the few dedicated PJ pilots have on this game. I usually maintain a K/D above 3 in the PJ despite repeatedly upping from vulched fields (I just like the quick action, even if the situation sucks). In both April and May I pulled in nearly 1000 kills in the P38J alone. AKAK holds a K/D of 5:1 for nearly 300 kills. My point is that just a few pilots can durastically affect the K/D of an unpopular plane.
I know most of this is just rehashing the last couple of posts, but :p
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My point is that just a few pilots can durastically affect the K/D of an unpopular plane
isnt that the truth. last month i was 8.5 to 1 in G. only 300 kills tho, so small sample i guess.
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Originally posted by killnu
isnt that the truth. last month i was 8.5 to 1 in G. only 300 kills tho, so small sample i guess.
Yeah, well, that's what you get for trying to survive and not upping from vulched fields. :p
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Excuses? Hardly. Please demonstrate the DECISIVE performance edge you claim. The J model, by the way, was developed in 1943, and not 1944.
Let's see.
The most decisive performance advantage would be the ability 2x 1,000 lbs bombs and 10x HVARs.
Remember why the Chog was perked. It was a good fighter, but more than anything, it was THE multi-purpose platform of AH. Quad hizookas, 4x HVARS + 2K payload, operational from CVs, and excellent performance as a fighter too.
The perkage applied to planes, has a lot to do with what the plane means in the MA as a whole, not just as a fighter.
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I know one time months ago I looked at mystats v arena stats, and had like 2.4% of all kills in 38, and something like .03% of all deaths. Add a few more good sticks tilting the stats like that and Im sure it adds up.
Average players fly the L. Many above average players dont frequent the L anymore.
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Model
.. Perk Cost
A6M2
.. 0
A6M5b
.. 0
Ar 234
.. 50
Bf 109E-4
.. 0
Bf 109F-4
.. 0
Bf 109G-10
.. 5
Bf 109G-2
.. 0
Bf 109G-6
.. 0
Bf 110C-4b
.. 0
Bf 110G-2
.. 0
C.202
.. 0
C.205
.. 0
F4F-4
.. 0
F4U-1
.. 0
F4U-1C
.. 10
F4U-1D
.. 0
F4U-4
.. 10
F6F-5
.. 0
FM2
.. 0
Fw 190A-5
.. 0
Fw 190A-8
.. 0
Fw 190D-9
.. 5
Fw 190F-8
.. 0
Hurricane IIC
.. 0
Hurricane IID
.. 0
Hurricane Mk I
.. 0
Il-2
.. 0
Ki-61
..0
Ki-84-Ia
.. 0
La-5FN
.. 0
La-7
.. 5
Me 163B
.. 100
Me 262
.. 200
Mosquito Mk VI
.. 0
N1K2
.. 5
Ostwind
.. 0
P-38G
.. 0
P-38J
.. 0
P-38L
.. 5
P-40B
.. 0
P-40E
.. 0
P-47D-11
.. 0
P-47-D25
.. 0
P-47-D30
.. 0
P-51B
.. 0
P-51D
.. 5
SeaFire
.. 0
Spitfire Mk I
.. 0
Spitfire Mk IX
.. 5
Spitfire Mk XIV
.. 10
Spitfire V
.. 0
Ta 152H
.. 10
Tempest
.. 50
Tiger I
.. 50
Typhoon IB
.. 0
Yak-9T
.. 0
Yak-9U
.. 0
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Why do people suggest perking the mid-1942 Spitfire Mk IX when it is used significantly less often than the superior late-1942 Spitfire Mk V?
Why do people suggest perking any 1942 fighters?
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Why perk the pony?
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Originally posted by Karnak
Why do people suggest perking the mid-1942 Spitfire Mk IX when it is used significantly less often than the superior late-1942 Spitfire Mk V?
My perk values were based mostly off of a plane's overuse. originally I did not put one on the 9, then I looked over the list and could see skies full of 9s which would be one of the fastest unperked rides on the list and threw a 5 on there. Of course as you allude...the Spit-5 would become as common as opinions then....sigh.
I recall well the pre-perk Chog days, 25% of the arena when there were 6 planes was something, but now we have 15% of the aircraft in the sky being La7s, that is a larger percentage of the available planes than the Chog ever was.
I just get tired of the same old planes day after day after year after year...group of dots inbound...3-N1Ks/6-La7s/4-51Ds/plus a gaggle of spits/dora/run-o-nines just gets old. I want more diversity in the air is all.
I thought pretty hard about the typhie and the yak too, they can be quite deadly and have strong cases for deserving a perk value, but they also have serious flaws that kept them off my list. Basically all the uberfast planes (D9 and G10 are NOT average speed TK!) that are not currently perked got a 5. the overperked planes 14/and dash4 got reduced.
I really like kev's idea too, cumulative totals, take all accusations of bias out of the mix. Possibly need to add a 3@20mm option in there though.
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Edbert, I like your list. I would still make the LA7 and C-hog 15 perks tho. I fly the C-hog alot and feel 15 perks for it is a fair price.
Curious if HT has read this thread and would like to know if he is considering any changes to the perk system.
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Originally posted by SFCHONDO
Curious if HT has read this thread and would like to know if he is considering any changes to the perk system.
I (obviously) don't know if he's read this thread or not, but since I know he has read others just like it at least a hundred times and changed nothing I would guess...."NO".
:D
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SkyChimp,
1944 superfighter. What more needs to be said? Fast at alt, fast on the deck, long range, good payload, decent firepower and great visibility.
Edbert,
I think you greatly overestimate the Mk IX's speed. For AH purposes it is a 320-340mph fighter. Almost all fighters are faster than that, not just the speed demons such as the Typhoon that you left free.
A sea level speed of 321mph is downright slow.
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Originally posted by Karnak
I think you greatly overestimate the Mk IX's speed. For AH purposes it is a 320-340mph fighter. Almost all fighters are faster than that, not just the speed demons such as the Typhoon that you left free.
I mentioned other fast unperked planes like the typ and Yak already.
It wouldn't be hard to talk me out of not perking the Spit-9 as it is now. But if they set the boost like the Spit-5 has it would have to be perked. When I put a 5 on it I figured that if the La7/51D/G10/D9 are set to 5 then the howls of protest would be deafening if the Spit9 wasn't also. It is about as fast as any plane when a gentle dive is used, and the E-retention is so good I have chased down many faster (level flight) planes with the Spit9 and an alt-advantage.
That is what I liked about Kev's idea, take all accusations of bias out of the mix.
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Originally posted by Kweassa
Let's see.
The most decisive performance advantage would be the ability 2x 1,000 lbs bombs and 10x HVARs.
Remember why the Chog was perked. It was a good fighter, but more than anything, it was THE multi-purpose platform of AH. Quad hizookas, 4x HVARS + 2K payload, operational from CVs, and excellent performance as a fighter too.
The perkage applied to planes, has a lot to do with what the plane means in the MA as a whole, not just as a fighter.
Karnak declared the P-38L to be a "1944 SUPERFIGHTER". Nothing was said about Jabo capability. Further, the REASON the L has a lousy K/D ratio compared to the J is the fact that it has Jabo capability. When being used in a Jabo role, the fighter performance is terribly handicapped. A full TON of bombs plus 10 rockets makes it mediocre at best, when loaded. Tryting to deliver that load it won't fight. It will likely be killed trying to deliver the load if there are slick fighters in the area, making its fighter performance a non issue. Jabo use negates all of the qualities of the P-38 that make it a good fighter, especially climb, acceleration, and low speed handling. And once again, especially since the P-38L does not have the Lockheed rated power advantage over the J, it has only the dive flaps and boosted ailerons over the J model, and the J model is lighter and handles better. Neither is a "superfighter" compared to the performance advantages others hold. That it is flown well be a few selected experts is irrelevant. If you want to make that sort of rationalization, then perk the Spit series and the Typhoon because of how well Leviathan or others fly them. Doesn't work well, does it.
The CHog has only a great set of guns, decent durability, and mediocre performance. It is NOT fast, it climbs like a T-34, and it accelerates like a slug. And again, handicapped by use in a Jabo mission, it is mediocre at best, even with the killer gun set.
Now you are confusing fighter ENY and perk costs with your overall agenda. This thread is mostly about fighter performance,
and not really concerned with your "new perk agenda".:rolleyes:
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That was my mistake. I meant to say 1944 superfighter/bomber.
The P-38L is, in my opinion, clearly the best strike aircraft in AH, and by a wide margin. It is also, in my opinion, a superaltive air-to-air fighter, clearly in the top 10 free fighters for that, though not the top 5.
I did a time to target with ordnance evaluation of a bunch of fighters that can be used as strike aircraft and the P-38L not only carried more than all but the P-47D-40, it also reached the target far faster than any other. Coupled with its durability that puts it in the highest category of quality in AH.
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Yeah, well, that's what you get for trying to survive and not upping from vulched fields.
im sorry, is somebody assuming how i fly? seems that way and it seems they assumed wrong. Ask my squaddies if i upped capped fields, or those ive shot down from them. Vne has gotten upset with me in past for way i fly :lol but is is more exciting. now, dont get me wrong, i dont fly like Guppy everytime i up, but it is fun to do so, especially with the amount of time i can actually play anymore. as far as "trying to survive", id be in an la7 if that was the case, or even the J (to stick with 38s) something with wep, not a G.
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Perk the dora then.
Nothing wrong with the 51 jug same way perk that too.
O O O O perk the la5 aswell.
Wait....
HTC will never perk the pony if they perk the pony at least give the 50cal its power back.
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One problem with perking some of the planes we are talking about here (mainly the 51D) is that folks with new accounts wont get to fly the ones they saw on the box or on the advertisement. So if this were to happen (less than 1% chance) I'd suggest giving all two-week accounts 200 perks in the bank, if they make their accounts active give them 500.
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Originally posted by SkyChimp
HTC will never perk the pony if they perk the pony at least give the 50cal its power back.
50 never lost its power.
It isn't a 20mm cannon, and contrary to what you may believe there was a very noticable difference between the two.
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Karnak didn't you know that hiroshima was caused from a .50cal that ricocheted off the tarmac, penetrating the underside of a tiger. The resulting explosion causing the bullet to circle the earth twice coming back at such a high speed, the impact when it fell back to earth caused an explosion of atomic proportions.
Wow! i should be on CSI
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It seems to me that these discussions miss a couple important points.
Perks are no supposed to work like the airborne equivalent of a golfer's handicap; they are solely used so HiTech can maintain play balance.
Whether a plane is "better" or not is irrelevant. AH2 is a game, and its success or failure rides on the game experience. When a plane distorts the environment, impacting enjoyment for the members of an arena as a combined statistical whole, then HT intervenes. It's what happened with the C-Hog, and it's what happened with the ENY.
If this theory is correct, and HT is motivated by the gameplay rather than the theoretic "fairness" of the "handicap", then propsed lists are little more than clucking from the henhouse.
The greatest threat to the play balance in the MA comes not from any individual plane, but from the Uber-skilled vets who can slice through crowds of lesser mortals.
Or in other words, it's the pilot, not the plane. Put 2 skilled pilots up to defend a base, one in a power plane and the otehr in a turner, adn they will likely hold off a crowd for as long as they want. (This doesnt apply to the "descending locust swarm of biblical proportions" that happens all too often, of course.)
I am no ace, and with jsut over a year in I hardly call myself a vet. But, La7s -- as generally flown -- dont seem that hard to deal with IMHO. Same especially for the pony. Most pony drivers maneuver far too much and too hard, lose their E, and end up wallowing on the deck until someone puts them out of their misery. Niks are tougher, because "spray and pray" is a viably lethal option, but even so with SA and journeyman skills the threat can be contained. All in all, I think the perks are OK. You might argue to let the Spit XIV in, based on performance, but I get the feeling that most of the BBS thinks there are too many spits anyway. I'd vote to leave things essentially alone.
In any case, it seems to me that for those who see a problem with perk balance, the best way to address it to HTC is by making a case for game balance impact. "It's not fair" and "we see too many " isnt gonna cut it.
It never has in the past.....
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Looking back at Sigma's post; how on earth can you put the G10, Spit 14, C hog, and HURRI IIC in the same category? If you're going to perk the hurricane, you might as well perk everything but the D3.
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Shall we sing a song?
That old AH favorite of years gone by? The song that never grows old, no matter how many planes they add to the hangar list?
Great! Altogether now! I don't think we've sung this for about two years:
Perk 'em all!
Perk 'em all!
The large and the fast and the small.
Perk all the Nikkis and all La's too,
Perk anything that can shoot back at you!
`cause they're asking to just perk 'em all
As back to their Gruppen they crawl,
There'll be constant crying
as long as they're dying,
So cheer up, my lads,
Perk 'em all!
Nobody knows if the FM's are true,
So cheer up, my lads,
Perk 'em all!"