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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: StSanta on December 07, 2000, 06:35:00 AM
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Well, in a few eeks when I get used to it. USB this time; no stick spiking. Saitek X36.
What I dislike about it is that rubber thingy that also is on Thrustmaster stuff. Resistance is bigger the more input you put in. Hate it.
Anyway will be interesting to check it out. Can't be worse than my ch fighterstick Spike-O-Matic (which I will fix when I get new pots).
So prepare to die or kill me. Preferrable the former.
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
while(!bishRookQueue.isEmpty() && loggedOn()){
30mmDeathDIEDIEDIE(bishRookQueue.removeFront());
System.out.println("LW pilots are superior");
myPlane.performVictoryRoll();
}
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You have to change your stick scalling deadzone and damping (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
ie with my X36 deadzone = 0 ,Damping = 0
Otherwise it will be to easy to shot you down (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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Hope you like the X36 StSanta, I purely love mine. If you can, try and get the CH Pro Pedals USB ver to go with them. The rocker rudder on the Saiteks can be a real pain to use.
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Originally posted by JimBear:
The rocker rudder on the Saiteks can be a real pain to use.
You can say that, literally. With carpal tunnel syndrome, trying to control rudder with the throttle at 100% making the wrist bend, was actually painful for me after a while.
There was no question in my mind I was going to use the rocker though. I ordered CH Pro Pedals USB at the same time I ordered my X36. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
If it hadn't been for that, and for the fact that I'm a right-handed guy to the extreme, I feel confident I could have become proficient in the use of the rudder rocker - with time. It provides good range and precision IMO. I had to use it for weeks in WB since it still doesn't recognize multiple controllers. (Was one of the final reasons that made me quit WB though - it was months before Bob Church made his driver for external rudders support.)
Apart from that awkward rudder rocker, the X36 is a great stick/throttle combo.
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DrSoya
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
Part of the Northolt Wing (http://www.raf303.org/northolt) (First Polish Fighter Wing)
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OK, mine's OTW too - got fed up with Pro Throttle "dying" on me in the most inappropriate of moments.
What I'm wondering about is whether it's digital - read reviews they all say something like "Saitek took their old X36 and replaced it's guts with digital stuff for USB version" Is that true?
And CH Pro Pedals USB? But of course - nothing else works with CH Flight Yoke USB (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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YARGH.
This x36 set will be a good present for my brother, who I regularly fly with over LAN in Aces High. He's been squeaking about me being better because of having a HOATS rig.
I just cannot fly with this set. First of all, the hat switches are too slippery. I am one of those "white knuckle" fighter pilots - my knuckles are white when I am in an intesne dogfight. So, when I go to view system, my thumb slips all over the Saitek hats.
Also, not enough hats to have every view programmed in without having to use the pinkie to switch between up and down.
Ergonomically, I find it a nightmare. The mouse move thingy shouldda been placed where the big red button is, and one or both of those turn knobs switched for buttons or hats..
Fear I am still grounded til I get new pots.
On a positive note; I managed to put my CH stick back together. I had removed the pots without taking down what wires went where. First, no connect. Then connect but no movements on axis. Then after an hour, connect, one axis ok the other inverted. Then finally got it together.
Flew nicely for about one hour, then pots were shot to hell again.
Got killed (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif).
mrniel has a ch combat stick that isn't woprking and I am hoping to cannibalize it for pots (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif). That'll give me something to use while I wait for completely new ones. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/biggrin.gif)
<S!> and thanks to mirniel for his most generous offer!
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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
while(!bishRookQueue.isEmpty() && loggedOn()){
30mmDeathDIEDIEDIE(bishRookQueue.removeFront());
System.out.println("LW pilots are superior");
myPlane.performVictoryRoll();
}
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did you got the profil done by rangerBOB ? it's a good start (except the sticky pinky switch I dislike)
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Yeah got it. The views is what's bothering me most.
I got sort of a weirdo setup for my ch fighterstick - in terms of making use of hats it's probably ineffective.
8 way has all normal views and frontup. Acutally, it has front up left and front up right too 4 way hat to the left of 8 way has up, rear left up, rear right up.
At my thumb on my throttle I have left forward, right forward, left up, right up.
Which means I have every view needed just one click away - with RangerBob's config, I a) must remember whether pinkie switch is engaged and b) worst case scenario is two clicks for any given view. Add that I find the hats very slippery and you have TLOSA.
Tried the electronic stores in Aalborg - none had the specific pots I needed. Will just have to wait <sigh>.
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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
while(!bishRookQueue.isEmpty() && loggedOn()){
30mmDeathDIEDIEDIE(bishRookQueue.removeFront());
System.out.println("LW pilots are superior");
myPlane.performVictoryRoll();
}
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Bad luck, Santa. I find the X-36 fantastic.. I think my SA shot up when I started using it (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) I can check all around me in about half a second with it, and I've got just about everything needed mapped to sequences of keys.. even a ground attack mode for the Typhoon where I can control all the trims with one hand. Bargain for the price, IMO (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif)
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duma send yer profile to me at stclaus@mail1.stofanet.dk and I'll check it out.
I am getting SUCH withdrawal syndromes from AH you won't believe it. usually, dying once due to no SA cures them for the day tho.
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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
while(!bishRookQueue.isEmpty() && loggedOn()){
30mmDeathDIEDIEDIE(bishRookQueue.removeFront());
System.out.println("LW pilots are superior");
myPlane.performVictoryRoll();
}
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Enough already, ive been fighting the urdge to by a new setup myself. Quit telling everyone how great it is! From now on if any of you want to brag about how awesome your hotas is please put SHHHHh rosco may be listning in the subject line...
(http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/wink.gif)
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For what its worth, heres my X36 Profile (http://www.devildogs.com/vmf111/AcesHigh.psi)for Aces High and X36 WorkSheet (http://www.devildogs.com/vmf111/X36.pdf)
(http://www.devildogs.com/vmf111/jbsig2.gif)
[This message has been edited by JimBear (edited 12-08-2000).]
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Which means I have every view needed just one click away - with RangerBob's config, I a) must remember whether pinkie switch is engaged and b) worst case scenario is two clicks for any given view. Add that I find the hats very slippery and you have TLOSA.
In the option for the pinky switch you can uncheck the sticky option this done you would have :
Hat forward = Forward up view
pinky + hat forward = up view
Hat left = left view
pinky + hat left = left up view
and so on...
At least it work for me (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) but I'm born SA impared ,shaking hand only when aiming and my wife is KOD specialist (KOD = Kiss Of Death, it cost me about 4 kills/tour that make her laugh (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif))
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OK, just got an e-mail that my X36 has been shipped... *shakes* And now you're telling me that there is no pinky button???? All my stick worked with 1 8-way hat for views around and a pinky button for "view up" modifier.
Is there a facility on the darn thing to get a view up modifier at the same time as using the hat???
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yes there is, any button u want to use can be programed for a "up" modifier(pinky switch included). Take a look at my worksheet to see just one way to set it up.
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Santa, it sounds as if you would benefit from wearing gloves. Try a pair of driving gloves.
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qts
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I had to get used to the hat switches too, my thumb would often slip and I'd loose the view, but now I manage fine (I never grip my stick too tightly).
I'm not using the stick's pinkie switch for views myself. I prefer to use it for toggling zoom. I can't get used to a modifier key that changes views to an "up mode" then changes it back, and the pinkie switch is in too an awkward position for me to have to press and hold to get up views. Besides, I needed a down view modifier as well, and zoom in/zoom out.
So I'm using the "mouse cursor hat switch" on the throttle as a press-and-hold up/down view modifier (i.e. it sends keypad_5 and keypad_0), and zoom in/zoom out (right/left sides of the switch sending ] and [). I was already used to that kind of setup on my old MS SideWinder 3D Pro (had programmed one of its base buttons as press-and-hold Up view modifier).
(Actually I programmed the "mouse cursor hat view" as an 8-positions hat switch, for two reasons:
- when configured as 4-views sometimes I fell in a corner position (e.g. top-left), which doesn't translate in a valid position
- in bombsight mode, I wanted to be able to look down while zooming at the same time, so I configured lower-right to down-view-and-zoom-in and lower-left to down-view-and-zoom-out)
Also I programmed hat switch #1 on the stick as a true view switch in SGE, and deleted the view commands RangerBob programmed for views. Finally I made sure all the 8 level views were programmed in AH stick mapping setup (usually only 4 are programmed, front/rear/left/right).
This works a lot better for me. When I press my hat switch forward, I want the forward view, not the forward/up view. (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif) Because for some planes I programmed a different head position with the forward view: e.g. with buffs, to have better view of the runway when taking off or landing, and in gunner positions too, to have a better view without the gun obscuring my field of view.
The X36U combo is really a great setup, at a darn good price. For that price you only have a CH stick without the throttle (and besides we've been waiting for the USB throttle for ages).
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DrSoya
308 (Polish) Squadron "City of Cracow" RAF
Part of the Northolt Wing (http://www.raf303.org/northolt) (First Polish Fighter Wing)
[This message has been edited by DrSoya (edited 12-09-2000).]
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Will try the gloves idea, thanks (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
Unfortunately, when i loaded another profile, the stick stopped working. Gotta figure out how to get it to work again (http://bbs.hitechcreations.com/smf/Smileys/default/smile.gif).
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StSanta
9./JG 54 "Grünherz"
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