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The Associated Press
Updated: 7:22 a.m. ET June 8, 2005
TOKYO - A U.S. soldier who deserted his Army unit 40 years ago and fled to North Korea is planning to visit his ailing mother in the United States soon, an official said.
It would be Charles Robert Jenkins’ first trip to the United States since he deserted in 1965.
Jenkins, 65, served 25 days in a U.S. military jail in Japan last year after a court-martial. He came to Japan in July to be with his Japanese wife, Hitomi Soga, who was kidnapped by North Korean agents in 1978 but allowed to return home in 2002.
The couple, who met in North Korea, have two daughters, who left the North for Japan with Jenkins.
"He and his family are preparing for the trip,” said Shigeru Matsuda, of the Cabinet Office team in charge of supporting Jenkins’ family and other Japanese victims of North Korean abductions. “He could leave soon.”
A visit to Rich Square, N.C.
Jenkins, aging and frail, has said he has no plans to return permanently to the United States but would like to visit his home in Rich Square, N.C., with his family.
Earlier this year, he told reporters that he wanted to see his 91-year-old mother as soon as possible. She lives in a nursing home in Roanoke Rapids, N.C.
The U.S. Embassy in Tokyo issued him a passport last month.
Jenkins deserted his unit in South Korea along the heavily armed Demilitarized Zone that divides the two Koreas in January 1965. He said he had been trying to avoid serving in Vietnam.
While in the North, he was forced to teach English to military cadets and was used as a propaganda tool, playing a malevolent American in at least one film.
Jenkins now lives with Soga and his daughters in her hometown on a remote Japanese island.
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This guy sounds kinda fishy to me, not sure if I want a communist sympathizer hanging around the U.S.A.
Or on the other hand maybe since he did 25 days in jail it's all good, let by gones be by gones.
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I'd say living 40years in NK is punishment bad enough.
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Wonder how many are deserting because of Iraq on average in a week.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Gixer
Wonder how many are deserting because of Iraq on average in a week.
...-Gixer
(http://home.ripway.com/2004-4/95613/Blogs/Animated%20GIF/counter_silver_lg_nwm.gif)
;)
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Originally posted by BBQ_Bob
This guy sounds kinda fishy to me, not sure if I want a communist sympathizer hanging around the U.S.A.
Or on the other hand maybe since he did 25 days in jail it's all good, let by gones be by gones.
Yes.. he would be the only one too. Better keep a close eye on that one commie sympathizer or your nation is doomed :D
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Originally posted by Gixer
Wonder how many are deserting because of Iraq on average in a week.
...-Gixer
I wonder how many desert the RNZAF. Hell why bother you only have about 50 planes and no strike capability. Why pay for an air force when you have the Aussies next door to protect you LOL.
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I think the guy deserves a 21 gun salute.
With all 21 guns pointed directly at HIM
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Originally posted by Krusher
I wonder how many desert the RNZAF. Hell why bother you only have about 50 planes and no strike capability. Why pay for an air force when you have the Aussies next door to protect you LOL.
50 planes?
Question was how many are deserting the US forces, do you have a number? Sure it would be alot more then are deserting RNZAF. Infact I'd guess it might be more then the total number in the RNZAF. :lol
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Gixer
50 planes?
Question was how many are deserting the US forces, do you have a number? Sure it would be alot more then are deserting RNZAF. Infact I'd guess it might be more then the total number in the RNZAF. :lol
...-Gixer
your question was, but the topic had nothing to do with your question. And I doubt anyone but anti-iraq cry babies would care.
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"50 planes" included the cessnas I believe.
So gixer my amerihater little friend... how many Americans are deserting these days? 0? 5? 500?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
"50 planes" included the cessnas I believe.
So gixer my amerihater little friend... how many Americans are deserting these days? 0? 5? 500?
lazs
Cessnas, what Cessnas?
Amerihater, now there's an interesting word, anyone know the origin of it? Or is it something new that's just come about during Bush's reign?
Laz's what every figures I source and post for desertion will just be denied so why bother..
....-Gixer
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Originally posted by Gixer
Wonder how many are deserting because of Iraq on average in a week.
...-Gixer
I don't have a number overall, but out of the numbers I know and work with daily the number is zero. Gasp!
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Judging by how "Honda Fonda" was treated for an act of treason, he will probably be swept up by a publisher while here for a book/movie deal.
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I think the word americhater originated on this board not because of Bush but because of guys like you who's sole purpose in posting is to find any real or imagined reason to bash America and everything American.
lazs
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Kids do stupid things, he probably regretted his decision in a matter of minutes. Unless he purposefully did it to aid an enemy, I say live and let live.
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Judging by how "Honda Fonda" was treated for an act of treason, he will probably be swept up by a publisher while here for a book/movie deal.
I think it would be a fascinating story. That is a really, really strange place. Every now and then I come across a travel log from a "tourist" describing the visit and you just can't stop reading them. Here is an entertaining one:
When was the last trip you took where:
* the guide wouldn't allow you to keep your passport?
* you weren't allowed to use the local currency?
* criticism of the place you traveled could get a guide into serious trouble?
* on your return you felt you had to be careful bringing back books, pins and T-shirts because they might be illegal?
All this and more can be yours with a trip to the DPRK, the Democratic Peoples Republic of Orwellian Country Names, better known as North Korea. In an age where you can get Starbucks on Thai islands, Baskin-Robbins in Saigon, Coke and McDonalds just about everywhere, it's nice to finally visit a place lacking even the knowledge of such things. The most end-of-the-earth Chinese villager knows of Michael Jordan. In North Korea our big city Pyongyang guides had no clue who he was - until we pointed out his name on an autographed basketball in the Gifts to Kim Jong-il Museum. Then they were sure he must be someone really important. A mere basketball player? No way!
http://www.1stopkorea.com/index.htm?nk-trip9-myohyang-mountain.htm
[edit: for some reason the link starts in the middle of the travelog. use the menu at bottom to select the introduction and go from there]
I jokingly suggested to my wife that we go to N. Korea for our honeymoon, but she didn't agree :)
Charon
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I'm less than charmed.
The guy should be met at the airport by the men that were in his unit in Korea.
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If I remember right, Lemsko was the origin of the name Amerihater. About him, not from him.
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Originally posted by Charon
I think it would be a fascinating story. That is a really, really strange place. Every now and then I come across a travel log from a "tourist" describing the visit and you just can't stop reading them. Here is an entertaining one:
http://www.1stopkorea.com/index.htm?nk-trip9-myohyang-mountain.htm
I jokingly suggested to my wife that we go to N. Korea for our honeymoon, but she didn't agree :)
Charon
For real we went to Gettysburg for our honeymoon.
Figured what beter place to start a marriage then on a battle feild.:)
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100,000 soldiers a day is the number Im hearing on the bsb
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Originally posted by Charon
http://www.1stopkorea.com/index.htm?nk-trip9-myohyang-mountain.htm
Interesting link, thanks.
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I think he needs to go back to that worker paradise he spent 40 years in. No reason for him to come to the US, it's not his country and hasn't been for over 40 years. It's a sure bet we can do without him.
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Originally posted by lazs2
So gixer my amerihater little friend... how many Americans are deserting these days? 0? 5? 500?
The true deserters are back in the homeland, the people who doesn't volunteer to armed service due to the Iraq situation.
If you haven't heard, the army is unable to get as many draftees as it is used to and the number seems to be dropping.
As the Iraqi information minister would say: "ridiculos, there is no link to the iraq situation"
I find it amusing to read patriotic comments made by those whos in the safety of their homes.
and when speaking for all of us foreigners, it has nothing to do with hating america or it's people, it is the hate towards it's current political direction.
Just like some of the americans have replied to the russians implying americans as russohaters.
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If any of you remember the original story from a few months ago, when the guy made it out of NK to Japan, he voluntarily gave himself up to the Army for trial. Also, the guy has the IQ of a kid, and was in a position of being put in command of a unit in Korea that he would have to carry over to Vietnam. He was scared to death, not just for himself, but for the people he was supposed to command. Scared, couldnt turn down his promotion, knew he was going to Vietnam, he just walked off into the DMZ at night and gave himself over to the NK. His life there was a living hell, and IMO more than serves as his sentence for deserting the army when he wasn't in a war. I doubt any of those in his former unit hold it against him, and if they do I would think they would feel more pity than anger. He didnt burn the flag or spit on it or do any number of things protesters did. He just left. During that time he fell in love with and married a kidnapped Japanese woman, and had children. He was horrified by the way the NK were trying to program his children, so he decided to give himself up to the Army as a deserter so his children could get away.
The man isnt in good health. He has to live the rest of his life in Japan, when he barely speaks Japanese. He has many things to be thankful for, but I'd say he has suffered enough.
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Originally posted by Maverick
I think he needs to go back to that worker paradise he spent 40 years in. No reason for him to come to the US, it's not his country and hasn't been for over 40 years. It's a sure bet we can do without him.
WWJD?
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
If any of you remember the original story from a few months ago, when the guy made it out of NK to Japan, he voluntarily gave himself up to the Army for trial. Also, the guy has the IQ of a kid, and was in a position of being put in command of a unit in Korea that he would have to carry over to Vietnam. He was scared to death, not just for himself, but for the people he was supposed to command. Scared, couldnt turn down his promotion, knew he was going to Vietnam, he just walked off into the DMZ at night and gave himself over to the NK. His life there was a living hell, and IMO more than serves as his sentence for deserting the army when he wasn't in a war. I doubt any of those in his former unit hold it against him, and if they do I would think they would feel more pity than anger. He didnt burn the flag or spit on it or do any number of things protesters did. He just left. During that time he fell in love with and married a kidnapped Japanese woman, and had children. He was horrified by the way the NK were trying to program his children, so he decided to give himself up to the Army as a deserter so his children could get away.
The man isnt in good health. He has to live the rest of his life in Japan, when he barely speaks Japanese. He has many things to be thankful for, but I'd say he has suffered enough.
Life is full of choices. We lived with ours.
He can live with his.
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Originally posted by Fishu
The true deserters are back in the homeland, the people who doesn't volunteer to armed service due to the Iraq situation.
If you haven't heard, the army is unable to get as many draftees as it is used to and the number seems to be dropping.
As the Iraqi information minister would say: "ridiculos, there is no link to the iraq situation"
I find it amusing to read patriotic comments made by those whos in the safety of their homes.
and when speaking for all of us foreigners, it has nothing to do with hating america or it's people, it is the hate towards it's current political direction.
Just like some of the americans have replied to the russians implying americans as russohaters.
Well said, unfortunetly Fishu so many can't understand those points through their Bush coated lenses.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Gixer
Well said, unfortunetly Fishu so many can't understand those points through their Bush coated lenses.
...-Gixer
Edit: not worth the energy or time.
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Originally posted by Fishu
If you haven't heard, the army is unable to get as many draftees as it is used to and the number seems to be dropping.
the US army does not use draftees. if you haven't heard.
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Bah why so mean.
Maybe this guy has something to live for maybe a new born baby. Ever think of that?
Err 40years tho heh maybe he dident have newborn but o well.
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Originally posted by Fishu
The true deserters are back in the homeland, the people who doesn't volunteer to armed service due to the Iraq situation.
If you haven't heard, the army is unable to get as many draftees as it is used to and the number seems to be dropping.
As the Iraqi information minister would say: "ridiculos, there is no link to the iraq situation"
I find it amusing to read patriotic comments made by those whos in the safety of their homes.
and when speaking for all of us foreigners, it has nothing to do with hating america or it's people, it is the hate towards it's current political direction.
Just like some of the americans have replied to the russians implying americans as russohaters.
Hmmmm....Guess my 6 years in the Military makes me a deserter. Here I thought I just did my duty to my country..now that I'm not in anymore...due to age mainly...Im a deserter.
:rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Gixer
Well said, unfortunetly Fishu so many can't understand those points through their Bush coated lenses.
...-Gixer
some on the BBs did there time in the U.S. Military....Have you...or you lil buddy Fishu?
Or are you one of those types that lets others fight for you?
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You guys got it all wrong with fishu. He's the expert on everything military. Just ask him, or don't and he'll still tell you. He's so expert he never even had to serve in one. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by RedTop
some on the BBs did there time in the U.S. Military....Have you...or you lil buddy Fishu?
Or are you one of those types that lets others fight for you?
Some yes have done time in the military but alot have strong opinions on the military and those that serve yet never served themselves.
I did 4 years Army then 4 years territorials after that. And another 2 off and on as a civilian instructor.
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by Gixer
Well said, unfortunetly Fishu so many can't understand those points through their Bush coated lenses.
...-Gixer
Gixer, yer quite the piece of work.
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You denying the existence of Bush colored glasses?
They were a hot item. I mean, they were everywhere. All the kids were doing it. But mostly, these days, you only tend to see them in the discount bins at various Walmart locations.
You know how you see people that seem to have been frozen at a certain point in time? Like when Disco was peaking? Or when Thriller was released? Or the era of Whitesnake? You look at these people... with their Lacoste collars turned up, or sporting their red leather jackets, or overpowered by the awesomeness that is the mullet... and say "frozen."
So it is with the Bush colored glasses fad. A veritable supply-side logistical nightmare in its hey-day. Nowadays... lets just say you don't hear the phrase "on back-order" quite as much.
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Still going fer about 100 X as much as the Kerry-colored glasses.
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Who?
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Yep, exactly.
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For real we went to Gettysburg for our honeymoon.
Figured what beter place to start a marriage then on a battle feild.
I managed to get the Imperial War Museum in on mine :) In exchange I had to visit Claude Monet's home in Giverny, France -- but that was actually pretty cool with its magnificant gardens.
Charon
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Originally posted by Toad
Yep, exactly.
I got 300 bucks fer my Perot Colored Glasses on Ebay. No takers on the Duke Colored ones tho.
(http://www.hometown.aol.co.uk/lismore1/images/duke%20on%20tank.gif)
My advice.. dump the Bush ones now before the value tanks.
(http://www.dmoma.org/lobby/exhibitions/presidentially_speaking/images/mission_accomplished.jpeg)
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Never had any. I think I can still get ya deal on a bunch of Badnarik's though. Worth almost eggzackly the same as Kerry's.
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pssshaw.
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Originally posted by Maverick
You guys got it all wrong with fishu. He's the expert on everything military. Just ask him, or don't and he'll still tell you. He's so expert he never even had to serve in one. :rolleyes:
Military service is mandatory in here: only some hippies go to "civil service" or if they refuse to serve then to the prison.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Gixer, yer quite the piece of work.
Thanks.
(http://212.84.179.117/i/Sir%20Winston%20Churchill.jpg)
...-Gixer
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Yer welcome.
(http://www.miqel.com/randompics/interestng-photos/george-bush_finger-flip-off.jpg)
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"Tastes like poo... damn forgot paper"
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Originally posted by Gixer
Well said, unfortunetly Fishu so many can't understand those points through their Bush coated lenses.
...-Gixer
Naa, I voted against boosh and I still think you and Fishu are f*ckwits.
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Naa, I voted against boosh and I still think you and Fishu are f*ckwits.
I'll take that as a compliment from you :)
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oh... ok... so no soldiers are deserting but the incentives for education and training aren't enough for a lot of kids to offset the possibility of being in a shooting war..
That is the new defenition of "deserter" eh?
lazs
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
If any of you remember the original story from a few months ago, when the guy made it out of NK to Japan, he voluntarily gave himself up to the Army for trial. Also, the guy has the IQ of a kid, and was in a position of being put in command of a unit in Korea that he would have to carry over to Vietnam. He was scared to death, not just for himself, but for the people he was supposed to command. Scared, couldnt turn down his promotion, knew he was going to Vietnam, he just walked off into the DMZ at night and gave himself over to the NK. His life there was a living hell, and IMO more than serves as his sentence for deserting the army when he wasn't in a war. I doubt any of those in his former unit hold it against him, and if they do I would think they would feel more pity than anger. He didnt burn the flag or spit on it or do any number of things protesters did. He just left. During that time he fell in love with and married a kidnapped Japanese woman, and had children. He was horrified by the way the NK were trying to program his children, so he decided to give himself up to the Army as a deserter so his children could get away.
The man isnt in good health. He has to live the rest of his life in Japan, when he barely speaks Japanese. He has many things to be thankful for, but I'd say he has suffered enough.
Wait let me get a crying towel.
No one that was headed to Nam or any other battle zone was not scared to death.
He was military and he deserted. End of story. Treason.
He made his choice. A piss poor one I might add.
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Originally posted by lazs2
I think the word americhater originated on this board not because of Bush but because of guys like you who's sole purpose in posting is to find any real or imagined reason to bash America and everything American.
lazs
"Russiahater" in all further posts should be changed to "Commiebasher". :confused:
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Yer welcome.
(http://www.miqel.com/randompics/interestng-photos/george-bush_finger-flip-off.jpg)
:rofl
Funny how you can look up to a guy whos president and gets caught on camera doing the finger. Not very presidential. :lol
...-Gixer
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Originally posted by FUNKED1
Naa, I voted against boosh and I still think you and Fishu are f*ckwits.
Coming from you that mens even less then Bush's finger :)
...-Gixer
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I will admit to being a commie basher. I can think of very few things that are more productive than bashing a commie.
lazs
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bashing a hippy?
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Mac <~~~ over 11 years in South Korea...
Look ultra melons I was 20 years old in the OD Green..frickken ABN RCN on TNT "Tunnel Neutrilization Team" North of CP Dodge, from Songnam ROK JUSMAG-K in the DMZ 78~79. Did Tunnels there for 11 Months. 3rd Tunnel was fun... not what the press reported.
My Baptisism.
The guy is a Deserter. Reguardless of how many years have passed. He needs to still be tried as one.
My 2 cents...and a nickel.
Mac
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Originally posted by lazs2
I will admit to being a commie basher. I can think of very few things that are more productive than bashing a commie.
lazs
Commie Bashing, that's all a bit 60's isn't it?
...-Gixer
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"Russiahater" in all further posts should be changed to "Commiebasher"
gixer...I was replying to genazour but if the hammer and sickle fits...
lazs