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Title: Fw-190s in version 2.03...
Post by: 1K3 on June 09, 2005, 02:27:22 PM
Discuss...
Title: Fw-190s in version 2.03...
Post by: Karnak on June 09, 2005, 02:34:41 PM
You first.

If you are going to start a thread, you need to seed it with something to discuss.
Title: Fw-190s in version 2.03...
Post by: Paul on June 09, 2005, 02:43:15 PM
The 190's in version 2.03 are different than 2.02's.

They are also spelt with numbers.
Title: Fw-190s in version 2.03...
Post by: Innominate on June 09, 2005, 03:14:47 PM
pretty
Title: Re: Fw-190s in version 2.03...
Post by: straffo on June 09, 2005, 03:25:46 PM
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Originally posted by 1K3
Discuss...


No
Title: Fw-190s in version 2.03...
Post by: BBQ_Bob on June 09, 2005, 04:12:47 PM
I think that those of us that fly the 190 D9 have been robbed of some power, the power to run errrr extend when the situation warrants.
Title: Fw-190s in version 2.03...
Post by: frank3 on June 09, 2005, 04:17:41 PM
Oh well, they fly
Title: Fw-190s in version 2.03...
Post by: dedalos on June 09, 2005, 04:18:40 PM
Have them available only in German fields ;)
Title: Fw-190s in version 2.03...
Post by: 68DevilM on June 09, 2005, 04:36:54 PM
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Originally posted by dedalos
Have them available only in German fields ;)


hmm got me thinking.

allied and axis fields per country in the ma

but how would you aline them as to oppose the enemy country.

sorry didnt mean to hijack post.
Title: Fw-190s in version 2.03...
Post by: hubsonfire on June 09, 2005, 04:42:44 PM
The 190F8 is the king of vultures. It has 12 rockets. 12 rockets=12 kills + whatever you can get with your cannons. Plus, it will turn with a spitV, its faster above 5k than any other plane, and it has better fuel endurance than a p51.

Regarding the attempt to  hijack this thread into a limited plane availability pursefight: stuff it. Thank you for your time.
Title: Fw-190s in version 2.03...
Post by: Ouch on June 09, 2005, 04:48:49 PM
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
The 190F8 is the king of vultures. It has 12 rockets. 12 rockets=12 kills + whatever you can get with your cannons. Plus, it will turn with a spitV, its faster above 5k than any other plane, and it has better fuel endurance than a p51.

Regarding the attempt to  hijack this thread into a limited plane availability pursefight: stuff it. Thank you for your time.





Hey may, pass the pipe over here!

Ouch out
Title: Fw-190s in version 2.03...
Post by: pellik on June 09, 2005, 05:06:16 PM
Once in the game you can press alt-f4 to enable the hidden plane menu. The 190W is the best one there, it goes 500mph on the deck, turns with zekes, and has 8 cannons.
Title: Fw-190s in version 2.03...
Post by: MANDO on June 09, 2005, 05:49:14 PM
Some months ago 190F8 and D9 had bubble canopies, now they are gone :mad:
Title: Fw-190s in version 2.03...
Post by: 1K3 on June 09, 2005, 08:25:07 PM
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Originally posted by BBQ_Bob
I think that those of us that fly the 190 D9 have been robbed of some power, the power to run errrr extend when the situation warrants.


robbed of some power?

hmmm 190D-9's speed is still the same, in CLEAN configuration...
Title: Re: Fw-190s in version 2.03...
Post by: AKFokerFoder+ on June 09, 2005, 08:51:13 PM
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Originally posted by 1K3
Discuss...


It is a plane.

It is only as good as it's pilot.

If flown by a 190 jock who knows what he is doing, it kicks serious butt.

I liked the old 190's better, they had a better forward view.  The newer ones are prettier though.
Title: Fw-190s in version 2.03...
Post by: moot on June 10, 2005, 02:08:53 AM
Bubble canopies and a look from HTC into the "Fw190 D-9 2.03 ata" disccussion that's in the AC forum.
Title: Fw-190s in version 2.03...
Post by: frank3 on June 10, 2005, 03:14:48 AM
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
The 190F8 is the king of vultures. It has 12 rockets. 12 rockets=12 kills + whatever you can get with your cannons.


Nowadays, we grade planes on how good they vulch :)

Nothing beats the ol' jug though
Title: Fw-190s in version 2.03...
Post by: hubsonfire on June 10, 2005, 02:30:36 PM
It was a joke frank. the f8 isn't all that common in the MA, and I only see it vulching or attacking gvs/sheds. I haven't seen one land a sortie in weeks.

On the bright side, I hooked at least two. A bad day fishing is better than a good day at work. :p
Title: Fw-190s in version 2.03...
Post by: Krusty on June 10, 2005, 04:31:22 PM
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
Plus, it will turn with a spitV, its faster above 5k than any other plane, and it has better fuel endurance than a p51.


What are you smoking, and do you prefer to call it "Crack" "Smack" or "Heroin"?
Title: Fw-190s in version 2.03...
Post by: Krusty on June 10, 2005, 04:32:45 PM
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Originally posted by hubsonfire
On the bright side, I hooked at least two.  


Corrected for accuracy.
Title: Fw-190s in version 2.03...
Post by: Swarmed on June 10, 2005, 08:47:51 PM
190F8 is one of my favorite planes. Handles similar to a 190A5. Not too quick, but pretty nimble. It's always nice to land some kills of one of those beasts.

I really enjoy the A8 for attacking ground targetes. Land some 30mm on a flak or an M16, and poof, no more turret, or vehicle!
Title: Fw-190s in version 2.03...
Post by: 1K3 on June 10, 2005, 11:03:48 PM
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Originally posted by Swarmed

I really enjoy the A8 for attacking ground targetes. Land some 30mm on a flak or an M16, and poof, no more turret, or vehicle!


err now that's a complete opposite of A-8 and F-8 role

:D
Title: Fw-190s in version 2.03...
Post by: 1K3 on June 10, 2005, 11:06:52 PM
Besides the graphics, did HTC converted 190s FM-ing to AH2 standards?

Most planes that are not changed still handles like AH1s but the new planes and updated planes handle differently
Title: Fw-190s in version 2.03...
Post by: Krusty on June 10, 2005, 11:49:59 PM
Nothing currently in the game NOW handles like it ever did in AH1 THEN.

Trust me on this. It took us all some time to cope/deal with the changes. Essentially the entire way that the code computed how forces acted on the planes changed, and changed overnight (for those not in beta testing).

Night and day my friend.

Hell after AH2 I still had AH1 (wanted all the screenshots, the internal film viewer, etc, so I kept it for a while before deleting it). So I go back in and up a 109E on the nice sweet BOB map (with the cliffs of Dover in it). And MY GOD that 109E was a total pig. I'm glad that the 109E (and all 109s, for that matter) got a boost in roll. Now they can actually compete in turns at all. But sometimes I think the Emil got too much of an advantage. If anybody has AH1 still, check it out offline. It's like you're compressed at all speeds (Lol).

So to answer the question again: No plane in AH2 is at all like it was in AH1. Totally different.

The standard they're converting to NOW is about graphics and new details (drag, fine tuning, balance, angle of attack, etc)
Title: Fw-190s in version 2.03...
Post by: Wilbus on June 11, 2005, 04:39:28 AM
Like Krusty said, all planes handles differently.

The 190's are no exception, IMO I like them quite a bit better now then in AH1.
Title: Fw-190s in version 2.03...
Post by: Waffle on June 11, 2005, 05:13:50 AM
!90s flight model hasn't changed - straight from HT his-self :)
Title: Fw-190s in version 2.03...
Post by: moot on June 11, 2005, 05:35:43 AM
The individual FMs that were not updated changed with the AH2 FM rework.
Title: Fw-190s in version 2.03...
Post by: Wilbus on June 11, 2005, 05:59:00 AM
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The individual FMs that were not updated changed with the AH2 FM rework.


Yup thus causing a change in behavior in all planes.
Title: Re: Re: Fw-190s in version 2.03...
Post by: lada on June 11, 2005, 08:15:58 AM
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Originally posted by straffo
No



He didnt ask about EU constitution mate :)

orel
Title: Fw-190s in version 2.03...
Post by: Kweassa on June 11, 2005, 08:52:29 AM
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190s flight model hasn't changed - straight from HT his-self



 Ahhh.. but he didn't mention whether or not other stuff might be changed, which "in effect", might ultimately determine how the plane feels or handles in terms of flight.

 Remember HT and Pyro used to comment that the gunnery hasn't changed at all in AH2, despite the obvious differences people were noticing. It wasn't until later that Pyro commented the "hit detection" was changed. Technically, the ballistics and stuff might not have changed, but in effect, something did change in the gunnery. :)

 
 I swear something was changed for the better for the 109s and the 190s. For the 109s, that godawful destabilization near stalls went away. For the 190s, low speed handling is a bit smoother, and the plane can go vertical safely without fear of losing control.