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Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: nuchpatrick on June 10, 2005, 09:04:11 AM

So who has taken advantage of this massive car dump?

I'd been pondering the BMW 330i Sedan vs the CTS 3.6L Sport. Both are very nice cars both were priced with in a 1000 dollars of each since I've been looking. I took the dive the other day to save 8 grand and got the CTS. :D

I figure if there going to give them away I'm gonna get it.. All I can say is this car rocks with it's respectable performance. I think it handles far better then the 330i Sport model I test drove.

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: VWE on June 10, 2005, 09:11:52 AM

DOH... you coulda had a Hemi!

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: Schaden on June 10, 2005, 10:19:56 AM

um is this the same GM that's cutting 25,000 workers jobs?

http://www.webpronews.com/business/topbusiness/wpn-54-20050608GeneralMotorsTrims25000FromPayrollIsItEnough.html

Title: Re: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: JB73 on June 10, 2005, 10:21:31 AM

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Originally posted by nuchpatrick
So who has taken advantage of this massive car dump?

I'd been pondering the BMW 330i Sedan vs the CTS 3.6L Sport. Both are very nice cars both were priced with in a 1000 dollars of each since I've been looking. I took the dive the other day to save 8 grand and got the CTS. :D

I figure if there going to give them away I'm gonna get it.. All I can say is this car rocks with it's respectable performance. I think it handles far better then the 330i Sport model I test drove.

i thought the deal didn't work on caddies and the vette???

BTW if i may ask, what was the final price?

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: Chairboy on June 10, 2005, 10:25:21 AM

Buying new is for chumps.

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: LePaul on June 10, 2005, 10:34:59 AM

My current car is my last domestic.  I'll no longer surrender convenience, reliability, value and such just to do "Made in the USA".  

I'm wishing I'd bought the Honda.  ;)

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: SirLoin on June 10, 2005, 10:43:32 AM

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Originally posted by LePaul
My current car is my last domestic.  I'll no longer surrender convenience, reliability, value and such just to do "Made in the USA".  

I'm wishing I'd bought the Honda.  ;)

Was it a Ford?

Title: GM Employee Pricing
Post by: Hangtime on June 10, 2005, 11:01:37 AM

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Originally posted by Schaden
um is this the same GM that's cutting 25,000 workers jobs?

http://www.webpronews.com/business/topbusiness/wpn-54-20050608GeneralMotorsTrims25000FromPayrollIsItEnough.html

Yup. With 25000 less employee, they gotta sell 'em to somebody.

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: nuchpatrick on June 10, 2005, 11:03:22 AM

Yes, the GM plan does apply to Caddy's not the new 06 Vett.


I paid 33,850. Car was for around 40K on the sticker. My old car had very good resale value, I put nothing down got my payment for 450.00 leased this time and took home 2 grand cash.  Unlike some people I made money on my trade!

I thought about buying, but really I only keep a car for 3 years. Since most of my money is going towards my current project car for track days and autocrossing.

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: LePaul on June 10, 2005, 11:05:19 AM

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Originally posted by SirLoin
Was it a Ford?

Dodge.  Previous to that one was a Saturn, which held up great for 9 years.  Dodge is 9 months old (bought in '04 with 18k on it), 33k miles and warranty up at 36k...already been to the dealer repeatedly for issues.

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: midnight Target on June 10, 2005, 11:05:27 AM

The good news is... all 25,000 of those people still get the employee discount!!

(I get our stuff at 2% below wholesale if I pick it up at the factory. I don't think GM is that generous.)

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: john9001 on June 10, 2005, 11:13:17 AM

lepaul, hondas are made in ohio.

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: oboe on June 10, 2005, 11:22:46 AM

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Originally posted by john9001
lepaul, hondas are made in ohio.

Yep, they are.  And my Toyota was made in Kentucky.   Does it seem like a protectionism success story to you?    (Wasn't Reagan responsible for restricting Japanese auto imports, which lead the Japanese companies to just decide to build them here?)

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: Toad on June 10, 2005, 11:54:45 AM

Just a heads up.

If you  were any kind of a negotiator BEFORE this new "good deal" you could buy about any GM car for invoice as shown on Kelly Blue Book or Edmunds sites.

You could then subtract any rebates from that negotiated price and arrive at invoice - rebate = price payed.

GM "Employee price" is in the neighborhood of 1% under KBB or Edmunds "invoice price"... the catch is "Employee price" now INCLUDES all rebates and incentives.

I think if you study it, you're going to find this is a price increase in the end.

Maybe not, but try this first. Pick...a Malibu... get invoice price and subtract rebate. Compare to "employee price" and see how it looks.

G/L.

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: Masherbrum on June 10, 2005, 12:57:30 PM

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Originally posted by Schaden
um is this the same GM that's cutting 25,000 workers jobs?

http://www.webpronews.com/business/topbusiness/wpn-54-20050608GeneralMotorsTrims25000FromPayrollIsItEnough.html

By 2008.  You left that out.

Karaya

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: indy007 on June 10, 2005, 01:07:54 PM

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Originally posted by Chairboy
Buying new is for chumps.

Only if you have bad credit & don't want a big warranty.

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: rpm on June 10, 2005, 01:11:10 PM

They could sell Chevy's 6 for a Dollar. I still would'nt buy one.

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: Nilsen on June 10, 2005, 01:13:23 PM

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Originally posted by rpm
They could sell Chevy's 6 for a Dollar. I still would'nt buy one.

i would.. great artificial reef or maybe strip it and use the engine. what kind of HP are we talking about?

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: Toad on June 10, 2005, 01:13:55 PM

Let me know if you get that offer. I'll take $100 worth!


and pay a finders fee!

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: Hangtime on June 10, 2005, 01:22:53 PM

I'm currently running a 12 year old chevy astro for the business.. about 140,000 on it. I abuse the hell outta it. When it croaks I'll get another one. Have also owned 4 Suburbans over the years..

No redeeming qualities to speak of beyond functionality for the tasks expected. Can't say I'm thrilled, but I can say I sure got my moneys worth outta them.

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: DREDIOCK on June 10, 2005, 01:27:31 PM

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Originally posted by SirLoin
Was it a Ford?

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Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: nuchpatrick on June 10, 2005, 01:34:13 PM

Well, I'm surely no GM drumb beater..  I'm MOPAR all the way..however I just do not like the Dodge has to offer at the moment...

The Caddy, had looks I liked so did the BMW. However, I think the caddy will be reliable then the Dodge or the BMW.

I've got one fleet car that is a CTS, so far it has 15K on it and has not had one problem.. say's alot in my book.

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: LLv34 Jarsci on June 10, 2005, 01:42:07 PM

I sure hope we get same kind of car prices here in Finland like you do there..

BMW 330i costs 53k€, + all stuff you want to add like a/c .. going about 10k more

I have my eyes set on new opel astra GTC, 2.0 T , 200 hp with panorama windshield. 35000 €...

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: indy007 on June 10, 2005, 01:58:44 PM

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Originally posted by nuchpatrick
Well, I'm surely no GM drumb beater..  I'm MOPAR all the way..however I just do not like the Dodge has to offer at the moment...

The Caddy, had looks I liked so did the BMW. However, I think the caddy will be reliable then the Dodge or the BMW.

I've got one fleet car that is a CTS, so far it has 15K on it and has not had one problem.. say's alot in my book.

Actually I wouldn't have ever bought a Dodge until they dropped Mercedes built engines into them & glued on Hemi labels =P

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: VWE on June 10, 2005, 04:31:10 PM

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I paid 33,850. Car was for around 40K on the sticker.

Lotta pennies for a V-6 Cateract...

For about 32k you coulda had 340 H.P. with 390 torque and 0 miles on the clock.

(http://dodgeboy.net/news/charger/images/836368122x9489_jpg.jpg)

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: midnight Target on June 10, 2005, 04:37:08 PM

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Originally posted by rpm
They could sell Chevy's 6 for a Dollar. I still would'nt buy one.

I got the vortec six in my S-10. PLenty of scoot in that little truck thankyou.

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: J_A_B on June 10, 2005, 04:38:44 PM

They can paint "hemi" on it in foot-high letters all they want, but it still has the wrong number of doors to fit the image (not to mention hideous plastic bumpers).

I'll stick with my Roadmaster, at least it is comfortable with its identity and doesn't try to pretend to be something it isn't.


J_A_B

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: GtoRA2 on June 10, 2005, 04:53:00 PM

my 2002 chevy silverado has been a fantastic truck. Not one single problem other then some dumb ***** running a red light the getting tboned and bounced into it.



My buddies 99 or 2000 toyota is a hunk of crap, the interior is falling apart, the rotors are warped, the back spings load up real bad when you brake and then the whole truck jerks when you let your foot off the brake.

He treats it much nicer then I treat mine.

My moms toyota Camery has been a the biggiest pile of **** she has ever owned. 3000 plus in suspension work the bastards didnt want to cover under warranty. She had to write the corperation to get the to cover it. That was with less the 35 k on the clock.


Now I am not saying all Japanese cars are bad, Hondas are very good if you like boring cars.

toyotas are utter ****, they are depending on their name now not quality.

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: 1K3 on June 10, 2005, 05:44:05 PM

body shape of Dodge Charger '06 is smurfy!:D

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: Schaden on June 10, 2005, 05:46:13 PM

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Originally posted by Masherbrum
By 2008.  You left that out.

Karaya

Oh heavens, 2008!! well that's all right then....

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: LePaul on June 10, 2005, 06:00:16 PM

I think GM is praying people do not follow the news and link the "big new promo" to the fact its stock has been dropping to the point its at "junk" status, their sales are down...oh, and they lead the pack for recalls.  They are loosing huge business to the imports/Japanesse built designs/cars.

Some of their products are good.  A great many....are to be desired.  

I wasnt sure what percentage of the Hondas, Nissans etc were made in the USA.   Thanks for the info

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: StarOfAfrica2 on June 10, 2005, 06:06:33 PM

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Originally posted by Toad
Just a heads up.

If you  were any kind of a negotiator BEFORE this new "good deal" you could buy about any GM car for invoice as shown on Kelly Blue Book or Edmunds sites.

You could then subtract any rebates from that negotiated price and arrive at invoice - rebate = price payed.

GM "Employee price" is in the neighborhood of 1% under KBB or Edmunds "invoice price"... the catch is "Employee price" now INCLUDES all rebates and incentives.

I think if you study it, you're going to find this is a price increase in the end.

Maybe not, but try this first. Pick...a Malibu... get invoice price and subtract rebate. Compare to "employee price" and see how it looks.

G/L.

Up until I stopped working for them in 2002, GM Employees got (I think) 5% under invoice.  PLUS any incentives, or rebates (unless it specifically said "not to be included with GM Employee discount").

My discount was a supplier discount, which was only 3% below invoice, and same deal as above.  Really worked out well on big sales, because you could get the low start price, get the rebate, and maybe good finance rates too.  Guys at the GM plant where I worked made out like bandits on expensive cars.

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: Toad on June 10, 2005, 06:27:42 PM

Well, I'm bored. Let me see what I can find.

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: Toad on June 10, 2005, 06:40:08 PM

Chevy Malibu:  $21,970.00
Chevrolet Employee Discount Price: (approx.) $17,589.13

2005 Malibu LS Sedan
3.5L V6 ENGINE
4-SPEED AUTO TRANSMISSION
WHITE
GRAY CUSTOM CLOTH
VIN: 1G1ZT52845F242799  
 Print

Request A Quote

         
 
 

 
MANUFACTURER'S SUGGESTED RETAIL PRICE
 
STANDARD VEHICLE PRICE $ 21,265.00

Options installed by Manufacturer  
FRONT LICENSE PLATE BRACKET $ 0.00  
FLOOR MATS $ 80.00  
TOTAL OPTIONS $80.00

TOTAL VEHICLE & OPTIONS $21,345.00
DESTINATION CHARGE $625.00
 
 
TOTAL VEHICLE PRICE* $ 21,970.00  

   

 

 

New Car Kelly Blue Book Value

MSRP $21,970

Invoice $20,154


Now they're giving $2000 cash back on Malibu.

So if the GM price includes all rebates, then it's still $17,589.13

(I did hear one dealer advertising "Employee price, you keep the rebate today though." Could be changing already.

The Kelly invoice is $20,154 - $2000 Rebate = $18, 154

Doesn't look like a price increase, at least on Malibu.

And if the Employee price had the rebate added back, It'd be $18,589 which is $1500 under invoice or ~ 7.5%. That's a much better deal than I thought.

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: Chairboy on June 10, 2005, 07:06:53 PM

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Originally posted by indy007
Only if you have bad credit & don't want a big warranty.

I've got great credit, am a homeowner, a business owner, and I'm a reasonably clever guy.

That said...  buying new is for chumps.  It sounds like you've fallen for the "Oh, well...  I guess you should skip buying new if you're too POOR for it..." line.  

Take a look at the depreciation schedule for a nice new car.  You can end up losing more than $1,000 a month in value without even trying, if you take into consideration nothing more then the drop in street value.

All of our vehicles are paid off because we've decided that the money lost in interest exceeds money lost in opportunity cost.  I bought my wife a 2003 Suburban last October for $24,000.  Fully loaded, OnStar, 4X4, DVD, low miles, it's great.  New, it cost $15-20K more then that.  Sure, it'll keep depreciating, and that's a cost of doing business.

But I don't have the be the guy that takes it in the chin for that first year.

Making the choice to buy a new car is making the choice that you're willing to spend $1,000+ a month before interest for the coolness factor of having the current model year.  If you're cool with that, or you have enough money that it doesn't matter, go for it.

Me, I'm gonna spend the money I save on buying an airplane, and you, indy, can take your assumption that I must be in poor financial straits because I'm not buying a new car and jam it into your FICO.

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on June 11, 2005, 03:28:01 AM

Runing a business, when I see "Best deal of the decade", I automatically think it's a bluff. Gee, how many time I made my customer "save money", while "@#$" in the butt.

At any rate I'm getting itchy to buy a new car.

Chrysler 300C ... $35K ... hummm, good add on blingbling range possibilities, big size chrome rims tucked in, South Central style.

Mustang 2005 GT ... $25K ... 300HP, cheap and wide open to potential power upgrades. Great mix of old/new.

2006 GTO ... $33K ... 400HP ... I would be all over it ... if only this car would not look like an import. Yet, it looks cool ... but import look ... but 400HP like your trans am ... but import look ... but ...
(http://www.pontiac.com/gto/images/bg_image1.jpg)

And finally, the new Charger ... $33K ... love it in Orange with stickers ... Would actually consider buying it if they didn't name the car a Charger.(http://www.allpar.com/model/images/charger/daytonas.jpg)

Decisions decisions! Maybe I'll just import a Clio V6 sport.:cool: .... or dream on this(http://www.popularhotrodding.com/features/0309phr-5camaro04_z.jpg)

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: Torque on June 11, 2005, 03:33:22 AM

toyota and gm did take the lion's share of jd power awards in north america.

chrysler has a better design team imo.

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: rpm on June 11, 2005, 05:54:05 AM

GM has'nt built a decent vehicle since '68. They are overpriced, underengineered, shoddy pieces of crap. Their workmanship is lousy at best. Even my "Chevy or death" brother-in-law bought a Dodge truck last time because the GM dealer refused to bargin with him and lowballed the 2003 Chevy truck he was trading in. Guess they knew their equiptment was'nt worth squat.

Chevy, they're craptastic!

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: GRUNHERZ on June 11, 2005, 08:23:17 AM

I hope GM is wiped out.

Their car designs and quality are awful, and the management  dont seem to care, which is a shame for the worlds biggest car company.

And second, I hope that GM gets wiped out and somehow those blood sucking vamipres of theirs (union employees) get laid off and have their lavish benefits and retirement packages destroyed.

Those two tings are destroying GM, imo. And the success of Toyota and Honda in USA based production proves it.

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: -tronski- on June 11, 2005, 09:46:26 AM

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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy
2006 GTO ... $33K ... 400HP ... I would be all over it ... if only this car would not look like an import. Yet, it looks cool ... but import look ... but 400HP like your trans am ... but import look ... but ...
(http://www.pontiac.com/gto/images/bg_image1.jpg)

It's already a different front from the original..what makes it look like an import?

(http://www.fast-autos.net/holden/vzmonaro17.jpg)

(http://www.hsv.com.au/cars/vz/wallpapers/gtocoupe_1024.jpg)

 Tronsky

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: Saurdaukar on June 11, 2005, 10:58:03 AM

Im a GM employee (subsid)... I doubt they'll be giving the "full" break to the public... the employee discount is HUGE.

That said... GM's products (car wise) are largely crap.  Couple exceptions:

CTS-V
(http://www.autogazeta.com/n/200405/CadillacCTS-VSeriesPlus.jpg)

C6 Z06
(http://www.motorintro.com/actuales/_images/chevrolet_images/corvette%20Z06/CorvetteZ06_1.jpg)



I really wanted to like the GTO... but it looks like a Cavalier and they are in the shop being fixed more than they are on the road.  Horrible steering feedback, horrible brake feel... wasted engine.

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: LePaul on June 11, 2005, 11:10:42 AM

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Originally posted by GRUNHERZ
I hope GM is wiped out.

Their car designs and quality are awful, and the management  dont seem to care, which is a shame for the worlds biggest car company.

And second, I hope that GM gets wiped out and somehow those blood sucking vamipres of theirs (union employees) get laid off and have their lavish benefits and retirement packages destroyed.

Those two tings are destroying GM, imo. And the success of Toyota and Honda in USA based production proves it.

Cant recall what site I read it on....roughly $1500 of every GM car goes straight to employee healthcare.

GM & Chrysler are dogged with huge health benefit and pension costs.

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: Toad on June 11, 2005, 11:13:01 AM

Yeah, you give your life to a company, why should they include health care and pensions in negotitated contracts? I mean, it's not like the COMPANY got things THEY wanted in those contracts. Nope, it's always one-sided in the employees favor. Everyone knows that.

Couldn't they just chain you to the machines like a galley slave and replace you with illegal immigrants when you die?

That'd be much more efficient.

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: LePaul on June 11, 2005, 11:29:07 AM

Toad,

Didnt say that.

Just stated they have higher expenses then the competitors.

Its no secret where I stand on Unions, that's a side note to this discussion  :)

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: Toad on June 11, 2005, 11:41:08 AM

It's not just for you, it's for Grun too.

It's generally accepted that a "prosperous middle class" enabled this country to become a "great place".

I suggest to you that these jobs, these contracts, yes even the UAW had a large role in providing a "prosperous middle class" to build the country.

The 5 day work week, company provided health care, child labor laws didn't just spring unbidden from the generous breast of corporate management.

Yes, there have been Union extremes, without doubt.

Just sayin'... get rid of all the Unions and see what happens to this country. I don't think the "average joe" will like it much but the ones running the corporations will love it.

Just my .02. Yin and Yang. Balance. Gotta have it.

The only thing worse than a Union is .......... no Union at all.

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: Dago on June 11, 2005, 11:47:50 AM

GM products are basically ****.  Wouldnt own one, if somebody gave me one, I would sell if first thing.

dago

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: J_A_B on June 11, 2005, 11:48:51 AM

Chairboy--

For maximum economy, instead of buying the 2-3 year old vehicles (which are also quite often someone else's problem), look for vehicles that older people owned but seldom used.  Such vehicles are often 8-12 years old or more and can occasionally be found in remarkably good condition for the age (sometimes it can take a couple months to find the vehicle you want, patience is required).  Due to the age they are always an extremely good buy since they've depreciated about all they're going to.  The Roadmaster was 9 years old when I bought it, 42K on the odometer, and I paid barely more than $6K for a big fancy car with an LT1 engine that looks like it came out of the showroom yesterday.  

Same story with the Cadillac, set me back about $7,500 for a car that I had for 6 years and had minimal problems.  That works out to about $100/month...for a Cadillac (and I only had to part with it due to a crash, not because the car gave out).  Most of my friends who bought Accords or Cavaliers or whatnot spent twice as much or more for a car that didn't last as long.

Insurance is also much cheaper than on a new car.

J_A_B

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: SFRT - Frenchy on June 11, 2005, 02:01:52 PM

Gm has been good to me. I ear a lot of "piece of crap", but I have a 1998 Vortek SIlverado heavy duty and this thing works flawless. And it's a working truck, I load it with all type of roofing material, even sand. You barely feel you have a load in acceleration and braking, and the steering is still great. In comparaison, a Ford 250 drives like it's on sand when reaching 50 when overloaded.

We still have a 1975 C60 dump truck that still carries more than it should on a weekly basis. We have 2 chevy S10s, from the late 80s that are still runing with 100 miles+.

Quote

M has'nt built a decent vehicle since '68. They are overpriced, underengineered, shoddy pieces of crap. Their workmanship is lousy at best.  

I think it's a very limited view. Hey I still drive a 1973 Formula, unrestored engine/trany that still pulls 14-15 secs at the 1/4 mile. The late 1990s Firebird had balls too, but they were uggly. I had a Grand Am for a month, the thing worked great as a daily car. My girl friend had an old beat up Cavalier 7 years ago, that lasted 2 years without maintenance.

I think the GM sucks crowd, is just plain silly, stereotyping a company on a bad experience, or rumors, like this BBS is stereotyping the French.

Tronsky , as far as the import look of the GTO, I think it looks round, it looks like an Opel Astra from the 1990s, or any modern Honda fastback.

the car you showed, is it an aftermarket body kit for the Vauxaul, or is it factory. Go to Pontiac.com, it's not available from the US dealership. If it's Vauxaul, or Opel, it may be a GM branch, it's from Europe so it's an import for the US:)

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: Dago on June 11, 2005, 08:10:03 PM

I guess I should narrow it down some, Chevys suck.  Some GMs like Pontiac are acceptable.  Olds was a good car, as is Buick.

dago

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: -tronski- on June 12, 2005, 03:23:59 AM

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Originally posted by SFRT - Frenchy


Tronsky , as far as the import look of the GTO, I think it looks round, it looks like an Opel Astra from the 1990s, or any modern Honda fastback.

the car you showed, is it an aftermarket body kit for the Vauxaul, or is it factory. Go to Pontiac.com, it's not available from the US dealership. If it's Vauxaul, or Opel, it may be a GM branch, it's from Europe so it's an import for the US:)

Because the Pontiac GTO is made here in Aus, I wondered what was about the car that made it "look" like an import. I don't think anyone I know thinks the US version of the car is good looking. Most agree the front is butt ugly...

The body kits are standard for the car, the top is the out of the box CV8 with a Gen III 5.7 litre V8 (soon to be Gen IV 6.0 litre V8) , the bottom one is the HSV (http://www.hsv.com.au/index_new.asp)  LS2 GTO with the Gen IV V8 standard. HSV is the Holden "sports"  offshoot of the factory - which offers new built cars with specialist options.

Both cars are GM-Holden made "Monaro's (http://www.holden.com.au/www-holden/action/modeloverview?modelid=12001)", which is what the Pontiac GTO is called here. The Monaro built for the american market has  (apart from being left hand drive) the redesigned nose (the rounder one of your pic) and the suspension is aparently different to suit the less harsh american ride - but apart from extras the basic car is the same.

The Monaro is the 2 door coupe version of the Holden Commodore.

(http://www.southgate.com.au/vz/VZcommodoreSS_046.jpg)

 Tronsky

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: lazs2 on June 13, 2005, 08:49:46 AM

got to agree with sour... the only cars Gm is making that are neat is the CTS and the vette.   The GTO is very nice but.... It is so ugly that it would be impossible to live with..  I think the aussie version is even uglier if that is possible.

I do think that GM makes some pretty neat drivetrains tho... but... all this melted plastic look and front wheel drive crap has killed em.   they need another Impala SS type car that looks a little leaner... A new Chevelle SS maybe with a frame and rear wheel drive and a square front end.   Who is using that 1/2 a mpg or last ten mph past 150 mph that the melted look generates?   All it does is kill sales.

lazs

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: SirLoin on June 13, 2005, 11:35:14 AM

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Originally posted by midnight Target
The good news is... all 25,000 of those people still get the employee discount!!

(I get our stuff at 2% below wholesale if I pick it up at the factory. I don't think GM is that generous.)

Seems like at the dealership everybody is getting the employee discount.

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: gofaster on June 13, 2005, 03:51:19 PM

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Originally posted by Saurdaukar
Im a GM employee (subsid)... I doubt they'll be giving the "full" break to the public... the employee discount is HUGE.

That said... GM's products (car wise) are largely crap.  Couple exceptions:

CTS-V
(http://www.autogazeta.com/n/200405/CadillacCTS-VSeriesPlus.jpg)

C6 Z06
(http://www.motorintro.com/actuales/_images/chevrolet_images/corvette%20Z06/CorvetteZ06_1.jpg)

Nice choices. Those are the only 2 GM products I'd consider buying - because both of those win on the track.  The CTS-V rules in the SPEED World Challenge (Andy Pilgrim is 733t!) and the GMAC Corvette team pwns Sebring and ALMS GT classes.

Pontiac is the new red-headed stepchild now that Oldsmobile is gone.  The latest decision to have Pontiac build its own unique line is a wise move, because otherwise it could be axed and let Buick and Chevy have their platforms back.

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: navajoboy on June 15, 2005, 05:15:43 PM

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Originally posted by SirLoin
Was it a Ford?

wow ford basher huh?
1991 ford explorer xlt with 201,181 miles. it runs 106 miles a day for 3 days out of the week and going strong except seat covers.


navajo24 :aok :aok

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: Slash27 on June 15, 2005, 05:32:57 PM

Went to the dealer today. Was $10k off the MSRP on the truck I looked at. Not bad.

 As far as GM having poor quality, Ive had very good luck with their trucks. I dont know about their cars.

Dodge however, is the biggest piece of garbage on the planet.

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: Toad on June 15, 2005, 06:52:00 PM

Bought my mother-in-law a Chevy Cobalt last night.

Stickered $15750, KBB invoice ~$14,450, GM Employee ~$13,300

(don't remember the "~" exactly but those are close.

Bought it on "SmartBuy" a combo lease/purchase with a balloon at the end of 4 years. SmartBuy gives the Cobalt an additonal $~2250 Rebate.

Trick is you have to make ONE payment and then can pay it off with no penalty.

Out the door for $10,990, nearly $5K off list and way under Employee.

I will make ONE payment ($199) and then pay it off.

Good deal, I think. She's getting older and needs a small, easy to park car. It drives very well, seats are good and trim/fit/finish was way above what I expected. It's near Honda Civic/Toyo Corolla quality throughout.

We'll see how it lasts but she's delighted. Of course, she was driving a '93 Buick that the air crapped out on!

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: SirLoin on June 15, 2005, 09:37:38 PM

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Originally posted by navajoboy
wow ford basher huh?
1991 ford explorer xlt with 201,181 miles. it runs 106 miles a day for 3 days out of the week and going strong except seat covers.


navajo24 :aok :aok

Yep..See the crap quality system in progress everyday on the assembly line(Ford Oakville)

Take it from me..don't buy a Freestar(there are currently 2000+ vans parked awaiting a retrofit of the auto-sliding door chain...They made the chain outta plastic to save $2 a unit)

Title: GM Employee pricing..
Post by: Tarmac on June 16, 2005, 03:59:35 PM

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Originally posted by Schaden
um is this the same GM that's cutting 25,000 workers jobs?

http://www.webpronews.com/business/topbusiness/wpn-54-20050608GeneralMotorsTrims25000FromPayrollIsItEnough.html

Before you get your panties in a bunch like all the media has been, it's a transitional cut.  They just won't hire to refill positions that leave through retirement, etc.  Like someone said, it's predicted that the streamlining will be a net difference of 25,000 by 2008.  There won't be a massive pink slip handout, as so many want to think.