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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: lazs2 on June 10, 2005, 10:49:34 AM
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I am taking russian shooting today.. or he is taking me... whatever..
We will shoot guns in any case so it is a good thing.
lazs
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have fun boys..
and watch were you point your things
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Hopefully, yer a good shot, and yah bring a shovel.
Don't wanna see a 'take a russian to the hospital' or 'take an american to jail' thread.
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Hopefully, yer a good shot, and yah bring a shovel.
Don't wanna see a 'take a russian to the hospital' or 'take an american to jail' thread.
:rofl beat me to it :rofl
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problem is... he is a skinny little commie and.... fast too.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
problem is... he is a skinny little commie and.... fast too.
lazs
aim 3 feet ahead of the bottom of the CCCP flag.
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I am not even gonna ask how you have that particular lawyers card.
lazs
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EEN SOVIET RUSSIA, GUN LOADS YOU!!!
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Newspaper headline "Cold War No more"
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Originally posted by Thrawn
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Thanks for the warning, but I managed to run away safely before Laz tried his moves on me.
Originally posted by Nilsen
aim 3 feet ahead of the bottom of the CCCP flag.
I do not carry those around with me, it defeats purpose of the camouflage uniform.
Here are some pictures of this revolutionary event.
(http://pages.sbcglobal.net/simfreak/pics/DSC03465.jpg)
Testing out gun that was designed to bring down big fat Americans.
(http://pages.sbcglobal.net/simfreak/pics/DSC03467.jpg)
Laz firing Kimber .45
(http://pages.sbcglobal.net/simfreak/pics/DSC03469.jpg) Good ‘old Soviet weapon.
Kidding aside, I had a good time. Big .44 is a pleasure to shoot, easy point and click design. Kimberly(sp?) .45 is too big for my hands to comfortably hold it, but accurate never the less. A mini .357 handgun is a concealed monster with the worst recoil / kick I ever faced. My hand still hurts after firing only 5 rounds. Thanks Laz for allowing lowly commi to play around with your toys. :aok
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Real good time... I did warn him that the Smith and Wesson 340 PD was gonna be real ugly to shoot. He explained that he was a big strong commie unafraid of recoil...
To his credit... he barely even wimpered till a about the 3rd round and by then the damn gun had drawn a crowd. He realized that weeping openly while wearing camo and in front of Americans was probly not a good image builder.
the other fun thing was that we went in a good old USA muscle car..
He took lot's of pictures and asked questions so I fully expect to see the russians "invent" a 1969 el camino in the next year or so.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
problem is... he is a skinny little commie and.... fast too.
lazs
In that case, just lead him a little more.
ack-ack
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Uhhhhh got cliche? Or is it a stereotype? Or is it a stereotyped cliche?
(http://pages.sbcglobal.net/simfreak/pics/DSC03465.jpg)
WOLVERINES!
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Originally posted by Russian
Thanks for the warning, but I managed to run away safely before Laz tried his moves on me.
I do not carry those around with me, it defeats purpose of the camouflage uniform.
Here are some pictures of this revolutionary event.
(http://pages.sbcglobal.net/simfreak/pics/DSC03465.jpg)
Testing out gun that was designed to bring down big fat Americans.
(http://pages.sbcglobal.net/simfreak/pics/DSC03467.jpg)
Laz firing Kimber .45
(http://pages.sbcglobal.net/simfreak/pics/DSC03469.jpg) Good ‘old Soviet weapon.
Kidding aside, I had a good time. Big .44 is a pleasure to shoot, easy point and click design. Kimberly(sp?) .45 is too big for my hands to comfortably hold it, but accurate never the less. A mini .357 handgun is a concealed monster with the worst recoil / kick I ever faced. My hand still hurts after firing only 5 rounds. Thanks Laz for allowing lowly commi to play around with your toys. :aok
Another Commie complaining about recoil ?
It begins to sound like a new conspiracy.
:D :aok
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Uh, sorry to *****, gents but there is zero ****ing reason to repost the pics in your quotes.
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Originally posted by lazs2
He took lot's of pictures and asked questions so I fully expect to see the russians "invent" a 1969 el camino in the next year or so.
lazs
It will be more reliable, cheaper and perform better. I haven’t decided on the name yet, how does Kaminov sounds? It has a nice strong sound to it!
Originally posted by Vulcan
Uhhhhh got cliche? Or is it a stereotype? Or is it a stereotyped cliche?
WOLVERINES!
I have no idea what you’re mumbling about. Speak up…
Originally posted by genozaur
Another Commie complaining about recoil ?
It begins to sound like a new conspiracy.
:D :aok
Oh?! Another commmi complainin’ about another commmi’s recoil experience, although that commmi never fired anything like that. Did you break a hand firing that SKS? ;) (Ìóæèê! Ïðèâåò! :p )
Originally posted by Lizking
Uh, sorry to *****, gents but there is zero ****ing reason to repost the pics in your quotes.
Close your eyes if it bothers you so much.
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Originally posted by Russian
Thanks for the warning, but I managed to run away safely before Laz tried his moves on me.
I do not carry those around with me, it defeats purpose of the camouflage uniform.
Here are some pictures of this revolutionary event.
(http://pages.sbcglobal.net/simfreak/pics/DSC03465.jpg)
Testing out gun that was designed to bring down big fat Americans.
(http://pages.sbcglobal.net/simfreak/pics/DSC03467.jpg)
Laz firing Kimber .45
(http://pages.sbcglobal.net/simfreak/pics/DSC03469.jpg) Good ‘old Soviet weapon.
Kidding aside, I had a good time. Big .44 is a pleasure to shoot, easy point and click design. Kimberly(sp?) .45 is too big for my hands to comfortably hold it, but accurate never the less. A mini .357 handgun is a concealed monster with the worst recoil / kick I ever faced. My hand still hurts after firing only 5 rounds. Thanks Laz for allowing lowly commi to play around with your toys. :aok
It screws up a good thread. How many times in one thread do you need to see the same picture?
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ahem...
(http://www.onpoi.net/ah/pics/users/176_1118493192_reddawn.jpg)
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So what's the Russki doing with a large revolver and no hearing muffs?
Can he still hear me typing? :)
culero
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He wasn't shooting it. I had electronic muffs so could keep mine on. He didn't. He listening to me and the gun was unloaded at the time. He was just getting the feel of it at the time.
I do wish I had take a picture of him shooting the 340 PD.
For those who don't know.. this is a 12 ounce (bout like a cell phone) J frame (tiny) Smith and Wesson 5 shot revolver in .357 magnum.
This should be the gun for all concealed carry permit holders... If you carried this thing it would be a sure bet that you would try everything else before you were forced to shoot someone.
lazs
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Cool Stuff.
Just got stripper clips for the 2 M38's, I'm diggging it.
(http://webpages.charter.net/ck2112/clip.jpg)
They are brass, still cool. Im not into the retro pay 10X's as much. Just want to load ammo.
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Originally posted by lazs2
He took lot's of pictures and asked questions so I fully expect to see the russians "invent" a 1969 el camino in the next year or so.
lazs
rofl. :lol
i liked that.
el camnoski.
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Originally posted by lazs2
Real good time... I did warn him that the Smith and Wesson 340 PD was gonna be real ugly to shoot. He explained that he was a big strong commie unafraid of recoil...
To his credit... he barely even wimpered till a about the 3rd round and by then the damn gun had drawn a crowd. He realized that weeping openly while wearing camo and in front of Americans was probly not a good image builder.
the other fun thing was that we went in a good old USA muscle car..
He took lot's of pictures and asked questions so I fully expect to see the russians "invent" a 1969 el camino in the next year or so.
lazs
:lol :rofl :lol :rofl
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laz, how close do you live to the firing range?
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thats the newest ..cleanest gun range ive ever seen
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Originally posted by Russian
It will be more reliable, cheaper and perform better. I haven’t decided on the name yet, how does Kaminov sounds? It has a nice strong sound to it!
It surely will be more reliable, cheaper and perform better only if it will have a built-in D-81 125mm, or at least a 30mm 2A42 automatic.
Sorry to say it, but our "designers" who made Lada VAZ-2110 should go and kill themselves. It will be an act of pure humanism.
It seems to me that people who designed a newest Volga model already did so.
OTOH - people who come to US from Russia and have to rent a car usually say that back here they fell like their Lada model 8 or 9 is a sport car compared to chevys they rented.
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torque.. that range is about 5 miles from my house.
greencloud... the range is not very new.. in fact.. it is quite old but the members keep it in fair shape.
boroda... I will be glad to race any lada you can come up with. I don't think a rental chevy is exactly representitive of American performance cars.
Do you get to choose color yet on lada's?
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
boroda... I will be glad to race any lada you can come up with. I don't think a rental chevy is exactly representitive of American performance cars.
I understand it...
BTW, you now talk to a person who doesn't have a driver's license and can't drive a car at all. With our public transportation system it's easier to ride metro (subway, underground, tube) and "vote" for a cab/taxi/privateer. Subway trains don't get into traffic jams :)
Lada 8 and 9 models were decent cars back in the 80s, but now they are... hmm...
They still make "classic" Ladas here, clones of Fiat-124, "best Euro small car of 1967". The only good thing about it is that it's as simple and easy-to-repair as a Kalashnikov, you can fix almost anything with a hammer, plyers and some help of ebony mother.
Originally posted by lazs2
Do you get to choose color yet on lada's?
The choice of colours makes me vomit.
If I'll ever get a driver's license - I'll buy a used foreign car. But my Father wants to get a free car, he's a veteran (78 now) and can get a new Oka for free every 3 years IIRC from Moscow city government. Oka is another technical marvel, imagine something like a small suitcase with 4 wheels and a 2-cylinder engine... Almost an Oka-11, it's called VAZ-1111 "Oka". Father's driving experience ended in 1963 when he got into a crash in a rented Moskvich (not his fault), so I'll have to drive that "furious stool" (áåøåíàÿ òàáóðåòêà) myself...
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boroda... I had some interesting conversation with russian. Like you he really doesn't know much about cars tho. He does own one here but..
As for the fiat 124... saying that it is robust and built like anything russian is....
an insult to anything russian. the fiat is one of the worst cars every built... rivaled only by french cars for being crap.. Any American kid could turn one into an urepairable scrap heap in a week.
We talked about public transportation and car ownership and availability of used cars and variety (choice) and price... Loving cars as I do... the russian way of doing cars leaves me less than thrilled.
As for performance.. russian versions of things often lack what I call "performance" the Ural motorcycle is a copy of the BMW.. it is a 750 that the russians copied in 1946 and developed on their own... it is robust and cheap but... It is sadly lacking in "performance" by any measure of the word except dependability.
lazs
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Lazs,
For as often as you spend outdoors in the sun, you really need to take better precautions. That sun is strong where you live. You should be using sun block lotion, and it would greatly improve your constitution if you were to drink 1 or 2 litres of water more each day than what you drink now. Or you'll have kidney problems.
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beet thanks but... if you recall... I spent time with you. I really don't need a lecture on how to stay in shape from you.
lazs
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I am taking russian shooting today..
Hmmm... so who did you have lined up for him to shoot? Jane Fonda and Boris Yeltsin?
:eek:
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I really don’t think we can even attempt to compare Russian cars to US. They are like night and day, made by completely different ideologies. Also that nice 400 hp hot rod would not last a day on Russian roads. Each side had a need and approached it from different sides.
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Originally posted by lazs2
I am taking russian shooting today.. or he is taking me... whatever..
We will shoot guns in any case so it is a good thing.
lazs
I took a German friend of mine to the shooting range before he left to go back home. Got to "spread the gospel" :). He loved it. First and last time he'll ever be able to do that again...
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Originally posted by lazs2
I do wish I had take a picture of him shooting the 340 PD.
For those who don't know.. this is a 12 ounce (bout like a cell phone) J frame (tiny) Smith and Wesson 5 shot revolver in .357 magnum.
This should be the gun for all concealed carry permit holders... If you carried this thing it would be a sure bet that you would try everything else before you were forced to shoot someone.
lazs
I own one and carry it often. Its great for a hot day when you arent wearing alot of clothing.
The other great thing about the 340pd is that even if you miss, the muzzle blast alone from the thing is enough to knock the bad guy down and allow you to hit the road.
Its deffinatly nothing you'd want to take to the range to shoot all day.
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we were shooting 125 grain federal hollowpoints out of the thing..
If you miss you will at least set the target on fire.
Russian doesn't need to be converted... he is a gun guy to the core but I would urge all you gun guys to take as many people as you can shooting whenever possible.
Nothing dispells the fear and the myths so much as real contact with firearms. Nothing helps our cause more.
oh.. and russian... I don't care what kind of road we are talking about... that 400 hp monster is gonna hold up better than a 124 fiat.
lazs
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boroda... I had some interesting conversation with russian. Like you he really doesn't know much about cars tho. He does own one here but..
As for the fiat 124... saying that it is robust and built like anything russian is....
an insult to anything russian. the fiat is one of the worst cars every built... rivaled only by french cars for being crap.. Any American kid could turn one into an urepairable scrap heap in a week.
Did I tell you I don't drive? ;)
Did I tell that Lada 2101-06 are robust?
I said that it can be fixed "with a hammer, plyers and some help of ebony mother".
It is very repairable, at least in vital parts, not stuff like rear lights. And it has to be repairable because it whoopee breaks! :mad:
OTOH: it was indeed a best European car of 1967. It have won a competition with Honda and Renault IIRC. Hehe in fact Honda and Fiat were equal, but a link between Fiat and Italian Communist party made a deal.
Another thought: here you have 15 millions of "classic" Ladas, and 10 millions of other cars, 1000 different models. Guess what spare parts, repair works and other stuff will be cheaper and availible all the way from Brest to Vladovostok? Ladas win :(
Loving cars as I do... the russian way of doing cars leaves me less than thrilled.
Did you see GAZ-66? UAZ-469? They can be used to tow your "humvees" from the places where they get stuck in mud.
Comfort is not an issue. Performance is not an issue. Getting from point A to point B is a problem. It is solved. That's it.
As for performance.. russian versions of things often lack what I call "performance" the Ural motorcycle is a copy of the BMW.. it is a 750 that the russians copied in 1946 and developed on their own... it is robust and cheap but... It is sadly lacking in "performance" by any measure of the word except dependability.
lazs
I wonder who buys Urals in the US for $5000+ (!!!).
What I want to say is: leave every business to those who do it better. Luxury cars to Germans. Cheap reliable consumer cars to Japanese. Tanks - for Russians. Also - supersonic jets that can operate from grass airfields ;)
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Originally posted by Russian
I really don’t think we can even attempt to compare Russian cars to US. They are like night and day, made by completely different ideologies. Also that nice 400 hp hot rod would not last a day on Russian roads. Each side had a need and approached it from different sides.
Agreed about need and approach.
But 20 years old VW Passat is still much faster, reliable, comfortable and controllable then 2005 Lada model 10. Even on Russian roads. Ask Estel about driving from Shahovskaya to Rzhev at night at 140-160km/h in winter with 0.5m holes in asphalt every 1.5 meters...
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Hell, Boroda; I betcha Russians make real good shoes.
;)
I had a Fiat 124 when I was in Germany.. was a better off road car than the jeeps that chased me. Doesn't mean we're all gonna keep Fiat knockoff's to tool the interstate or autobahn with.
One wonders why the Asian car market hasn't blossomed in Russia.. one would think that a cheap car that runs and has windows without cranks would be popular over there...
Unless you seem to be a bit shy on paved highways? :D
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well... I don't even know if we are argueing anymore.. I think most russian stuff I have come into contact with is built strong and as cheaply as possible... sometimes it performs much better than anyone would expect but it rarely excells.
Ithink a lot of vehicles that are russian might work as good as anything in a narrow range that is russian conditions but... I have seen nothing about them that is more rugged than versions of the same TYPE of vehicle from other countries.
I like russian weapons well enough also but... I can allways find another countries version of the same TYPE that is better made and more accurate... tho... much more expensive.
I don't care about the expense tho.... see... I am a capitalist. We got money coming out our butts.... or, at least we have allways acted as such.
And... It has worked out for us.. we have a huge range of things to shose from of all kinds of different types and quality...
I like that better.
It wouldn't be the end of the world if I were stuck in russia with only russian made.... well... russian made everything but... It would be much better to be there with a wide variety of goods. See my point?
russian told me that the fact that the whole country was walled in was not really a factor to most people... they never really gave it any thought... I am sure that is true but... being an American you can bet the farm that I sure as hell woulda given it lots of thought.
lazs
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I've never fired the 340PD. My CCW is an SP101, pure brutality to shoot. I expect not as bad but bad enough for my tastes with the 125gr in it.
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GAZ-66 is actually a truck buit to military specs. Main use - as a "light" all-terrain personnel carrier.
Boroda, you reminded me the "Wild East" scenario of which I was a ballast participant. It was in a clay desert of southern Kazakhstan on a pretty sunny day about 5 P.M. local time. We were on our way back to camp when our local guide spotted a lone saigak (long-horn antelope). We immediately decided to chase that vefy fast animal. As we started the chase, the flock of sudden clouds shaded the sun and threw the gloom shadow over the desert. In less than 15 minutes GAZ-66 drove that saigak into total exhaustion of life strength. After running many wide circles on top of its acceleration speed the poor antelope gave up, bent its knees and lowered the body onto the ground, still holding up the head on the long neck. The swift end came with blissful slash of local dagger blade across the throat. The locals ate the meat, and our commander was pesented with the saigak horns. And I can still remember that deadly chase when I was standing behind the driver's cabin watching GAZ-66 mimicking the dusty arcs speareheaded by the long-horn antelope. And the gloom. :(
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Hey, don't look down on the 124. Two SEAT 124 (spanish built FIATs) scored 3rd and 4th in Montecarlo '77. They were known as the flying taxis :lol
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this is WAY out of left field but...
all the russian girls i have ever met are skanks.
prolly somethin to do with "the good of the many"
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well.... we were remodeling a casino in reno and it was a long job.. somebody had "some land" so we bought a trailer and put it on it... trouble was.. it was 14 miles of dirt and gravel road to get to it.
We had a 10 year old jeep wagoneer (like a '69") and a 124 my brotherin law bought off a lot. the fiat was junk in a month but the wagoneer lasted the whole time.
I guess if you have no variety or choice then it would be difficult to compare your countries products to that of other countries.
lazs
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Returning to the cars.
AFAIK USA purchased a lot of GAZ-66 (Shishiga) and NIVA. What for? For SWAT teams. I know only guys from Los-Angelos SWAT team, but there they don't have these cars. Maybe in another states. Anyway, these models are perfect for off-road. NIVA is sailing oficially in Britain and Germany.
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USA purchases a lot of equiment for a lot of specialized areas...
That is the beauty of a country like ours... we actually do get to choose and... even if what we have is the best we still get to try other things.
lazs
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Originally posted by Hangtime
Hell, Boroda; I betcha Russians make real good shoes.
;)
You are too optimistic ;) In Soviet times buying good footwear was a big problem. As usual - there was nothing good at stores but almost everyone got decent imported shoes.
Originally posted by Hangtime
I had a Fiat 124 when I was in Germany.. was a better off road car than the jeeps that chased me. Doesn't mean we're all gonna keep Fiat knockoff's to tool the interstate or autobahn with.
I am surprised that "classic" Ladas are capable of going up to 150km/h in a highway... In Soviet times riding faster then 120 was a very rare thing. I remember riding 120 in a Volga when I was a kid, I was scared to death, and that was on a very good Domodedovo highway...
Originally posted by Hangtime
One wonders why the Asian car market hasn't blossomed in Russia.. one would think that a cheap car that runs and has windows without cranks would be popular over there...
Daewoo Nexia assembled in Uzbekistan is a "people's car" now.
The problem is that our beloved Party and government rise custom tariffs for foreign cars, especially used ones, to "save national automobile industry". That's why that loosers can introduce a new model every 10 years, and sell their crap for such money.
Originally posted by Hangtime
Unless you seem to be a bit shy on paved highways? :D
"Paved" gets an absolutely new meaning in Russia :D There are many places where non-paved sand roads are better then paved, like at Valday (upper Volga).
Many roads here are broken as if some tank regiment went over them. And some really need to be "flattened" by tanks :)