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General Forums => Aircraft and Vehicles => Topic started by: xXTheAmericanXx on June 12, 2005, 07:50:48 PM
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Here is a list of some of the planes that would be nice to see in the Game that aren't already there:
Junkers JU-52
B-29 Superfortress
B-25 Mitchell
Polikarpov I-16
Avro Anson
Henikel He-111 B, H, K, a nd P Variants
Fairey Swordfish I and II
Fairey Firefly
Fairy Albacore
Bristol Beaufort
Bristol Blenheim
Mitsubishi G4M
Bell P-63 Kingcobra
Bell P-39 Airacobra
Grumman F8F Bearcat
Grumman F7F Tigercat
Grumman F6F Hellcat
Gloster Gladiator
Hawker Sea Fury
Douglas A-16 Invader
Douglas AD-1 Skyraider (Designed and entered service at War's End)
Consolidated PBY Catalina
Lockheed Ventura/Harpoon
Curtiss SB2 Helldiver
Westland Lysander Glider (Glide to a base and deliver troops?)
Fieseler Fi156 Storch
Messerschmitt BF-108 Taifun (Typhoon)
Yakovlev Yak-11
Curtiss C-46 Commando
North American P-82 Twin Mustang
Polish PZL P.37 Los Medium Bomber
Handley-Page Hampden
Vickers Wellington
Focke-Wulf Fw-200 Condor
Lockheed Neptune (Once again, designed and entered service but didn't see combat.)
Well, this is my list. Anyone wanna add to it or discuss it?
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Ooh your first post;)
The list looks good to me, don't know what 95% of them are or look like but hey, nice list none the less.
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There's a lot of mediocre aircraft there mate.
At a glance the only one I would like to see is the "Consolidated PBY Catalina" as its capable of landing on the sea.
But considering its specs
Performance:
Maximum Speed: 179 mph
Long-Range Cruising Speed: 117 mph
Ceiling: 14,700 ft.
Range: 2,545 miles
Armament:
Five 7.62-mm (0.3-inch) machine guns
Up to 4,000 pounds of bombs or depth charges
it would only have a place if there were things like sea rescues
i.e. they put AI troop ships in and if they are sunk you have a set / random amount of time to find the location land and the troops could automatically climb aboard. Other wise ppl have no real reason to fly it
Right now it comes down to
LANC Max Payload
B24 Heavy but not too heavy
B26 Decent and faster than the 24
Ki67 Light load but dam fast for a buff
Maybe we will see things like sea rescues in TOD ?
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We have the F6F-5...
The Skyraider didnt enter service till 1946
The F7F would be good IMO...:)
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you forgot the Brewster Buffalo and the Gloster Meteor, oh and the partridge in a pear tree.
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Messerschmitt BF-108 Taifun
Fieseler Fi156 Storch
What would they be good for?
(http://www.warbirdalley.com/images/bf108-taxi-01.jpg)
(http://www.warbirdalley.com/images/storch-05.jpg)
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I would really like a rescue feature, where when a friendly player has landed close to you you get a little rescue button and can click it, then you join his plane.
When he gets a landed successfully you get a got rescued or so in the logs. Would really help for scenarios.
And do away with the land and take off everywhere crap.
Have paved, grass, rough and bumpy surfaces. When you land on bumpy you kill your wheels and cant take off again.
When you land on rough you need to touch down verry slow in order to take off again, like below 50mph. Otherwise tries blown.
That way rescue aircraft make sense, capable of landing slow and taking off again with a short take off strip.
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problem is mate, who is going to wait ten minutes for a resque flight that may never come
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Interesting.
You mention alot of planes and you are yet to mention Yak-7, Yak-3, Mig-3 and LaGG-3 who all where very heavily used on the east front. Plus you also forgot the very heavily used Ki-43 Oscar.
But yet you do mention quite a few planes which saw extreamly limmited action, if any.
Tex
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You could set it up so that a rescue will award bonus perks to the person who's rescuing him and not penalize so many points for crashing the ME262.
I.E. If you crash a 262 normally, you'd lose 150 points. If you crash and get picked up, you'd only lose 50 points. The person who came to get you would get 10 points.
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Do I have to say it?
Judy Judy Judy.
-Sik
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How about having airplane supplies that can be brought to someone with a out of fuel plane or oil leak, fuel leak, maybe even a missing aileron, etc. so he can bring home the plane.
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Out of curiousity... why would you possibly want an Avro Anson?
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I know that this is your first post, so I hate to say this, but I must.
This is the worst plane request list I have seen in all the time I've played the game and read the board. I'm sorry, but there seems to have been little thought or consistancy put into this list.
I rate the list 1 out of 10.
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Originally posted by Karnak
I know that this is your first post, so I hate to say this, but I must.
This is the worst plane request list I have seen in all the time I've played the game and read the board. I'm sorry, but there seems to have been little thought or consistancy put into this list.
I rate the list 1 out of 10.
you ever seen the film billy madison?
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Originally posted by Furball
you ever seen the film billy madison?
:rofl :rofl :lol :rofl :rofl
I award you no points...and may god have mercy on your soul
:rofl :rofl :lol :rofl :rofl
Oh and don't get to upset when people argue/disagree with you American. It's one of the main features of this lovely board.
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a fairly swordfish would be nice. Turns on a dime and goes really slow. Its a torpedo bomber
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Ju-52, Henkel 111, Fairy swordfish, PBY catalina all make a certain amount of sense.
The rest of your list is prototypes that never saw action, late late war monsters that would unbalance the arena, or just plain silly.
If AH were to do a glider it should be the Waco, and a C-47 should be able to launch 2 of them.
If AH is going to do Flying Boats I want Mavis, Emily, Short Sunderland,and the Connnie along with the PBYs.
While I would love to try my hand with a Fairy Swordfish, the whole line has virtually zero use in AH. They'd be SEA birds only.
Can you Imagine what a 190D9 or La7 would do to a slow wallowing biplane?
We need Japanese bombers most of all,
Betty or late war equivilent, a 1943,44 dive and torp bomber.
Followed by a Russian bomber, then the Henkel 111.
Think it through again.
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Originally posted by xXTheAmericanXx
Junkers JU-52
B-25 Mitchell
Polikarpov I-16
Avro Anson
Henikel He-111 B, H, K, a nd P Variants
Fairey Swordfish I and II
Fairey Firefly
Fairy Albacore
Bristol Beaufort
Bristol Blenheim
Mitsubishi G4M
Bell P-39 Airacobra
Gloster Gladiator
Consolidated PBY Catalina
Lockheed Ventura/Harpoon
Fieseler Fi156 Storch
Curtiss C-46 Commando
Polish PZL P.37 Los Medium Bomber
Handley-Page Hampden
Vickers Wellington
Focke-Wulf Fw-200 Condor
Only planes that you listed that I would mind seeing added, too many late war planes you said. The planes that I would like to see the most is the b25 and the gloster meteor. Definately need more early war planes.
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Originally posted by humble
We have the F6F-5...
Try this: F6F-3, F6F-3N, and F6F-5N
The Skyraider didnt enter service till 1946
I was told that Skyraider enter service just in days before WWII ended since first prototype Skyraider was first flown in March 18, 1945. Skyraiders were supposed to replace Curtiss SB2C Helldriver during WWII and after the War, production of A-1s increased and replaced Curtiss SB2C Helldriver before Korean Conflict.
The F7F would be good IMO...:)
F7F Tigercat were too late to see action in WWII and same for F8F Bearcat, but Bearcat came close than Tigercat.
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Nother list of planes :D
It will be nice to know how hitech decide
a flightmodel comes AH or not ?
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Originally posted by TheThang
a fairly swordfish would be nice. Turns on a dime and goes really slow. Its a torpedo bomber
Yep makes a good target for flak gunners
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Yep makes a good target for flak gunners
Think not, AH gunners are trained to shoot
fast moving planes not slowmo biplanes.
;)
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Originally posted by Furball
Out of curiousity... why would you possibly want an Avro Anson?
More flammable offline drones? ;)
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The P-39Q is one of the best candidates for addition IMO. MA capable, widely used on the eastern front by the russians, adds an american and a russian aircraft at the same time. Big gun. 4x .50 MG's to back it up
Whats not to love?
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wat AH could really use is a Mid Air Fuel Tanker to Refuel Planes i know they haddem sometime back in WW2
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What is up with new people requesting things before they are in game? Anyway, I don't think a lot of the aircraft in that list would be worthy of AH, you named a whole list of aircraft and a half. I know it's just something to think about but wow.
Was aerial refueling even used in WW2? Can't remember ever hearing about it however it was used before that to show it could be done between biplanes. B25 and P39 sounded the best in there as well as the I-16, however, it seems like this list may have been thrown together without much thought to current planes.:(
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Originally posted by nirvana
Was aerial refueling even used in WW2? Can't remember ever hearing about it however it was used before that to show it could be done between biplanes. B25 and P39 sounded the best in there as well as the I-16, however, it seems like this list may have been thrown together without much thought to current planes.:(
No it wasn't, it wasnt untill the cold war that aerial refueling became common practice. It almost looks like the original poster hasn't even played the game, given that he's asking for the F6F....
Not to mention a few of those aren't even ww2 aircraft.
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Originally posted by outbreak
wat AH could really use is a Mid Air Fuel Tanker to Refuel Planes i know they haddem sometime back in WW2
I'll have what he's smoking.
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Originally posted by Glasses
I'll have what he's smoking.
In Two weeks.:D
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oh well lol AH2 is still good without it =[ just thought id post hehe hate runnin outa fuel after killin peeps:mad:
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This list (from an other game) is a good
list for AH2 too. What do you think ?
http://www.savagesquadron.com/GEpage/SavagePlanesGE.htm
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Originally posted by Innominate
No it wasn't, it wasnt untill the cold war that aerial refueling became common practice.
(http://www.unrealaircraft.com/forever/images/s23_2.jpeg)
Short S.30 flying boat G-AFCU 'Cabot' and Harrow tanker G-AFRL, 1939 trans-Atlantic service
(http://www.unrealaircraft.com/forever/images/quest.jpeg)
US Army air Corps C-2A "Question Mark" with C-1 refueller, 1929
Probably wasn't considered "common" however, and certainly not in a tactical environment.
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Personally I still would like to see the B-25 Mitchell and the DO-335 Donier Arrow introduced into the game. Both saw action although the 335 was only 2 squadrons, 1 training and 1 combat it still saw action.
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Originally posted by Rafe35
Try this: F6F-3, F6F-3N, and F6F-5N
I was told that Skyraider enter service just in days before WWII ended since first prototype Skyraider was first flown in March 18, 1945. Skyraiders were supposed to replace Curtiss SB2C Helldriver during WWII and after the War, production of A-1s increased and replaced Curtiss SB2C Helldriver before Korean Conflict.
F7F Tigercat were too late to see action in WWII and same for F8F Bearcat, but Bearcat came close than Tigercat.
Actully the F7F was in service in 1944...it just wasnt deployed. Same as the meteor...the allied planes are discriminated against based on deployment not true availability....which is bogus. You say 1st "prototype" skyraider flew in march 45...well the F7F entered actual service in May 1944. The protoype flew in December 1943 and the 1st production birds were DELIVERED in April 1944. The first F8F was delivered on May 19, 1945 to VF-19....more than a year after the F7F entered active service. The F7F was delayed primarily due to spin recovery issues during flight testing...but had we really needed to it would have been deployed in June of 1944...
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Originally posted by humble
Actully the F7F was in service in 1944...it just wasnt deployed. Same as the meteor...the allied planes are discriminated against based on deployment not true availability....which is bogus. You say 1st "prototype" skyraider flew in march 45...well the F7F entered actual service in May 1944. The protoype flew in December 1943 and the 1st production birds were DELIVERED in April 1944. The first F8F was delivered on May 19, 1945 to VF-19....more than a year after the F7F entered active service. The F7F was delayed primarily due to spin recovery issues during flight testing...but had we really needed to it would have been deployed in June of 1944...
Again.
The Grumman F7F Tigercat and F8F Bearcat is still "Post War" fighters that never saw any action in World War II and yes they both did deployed in early years before 1945, but doesn't mean that they saw action in WWII.
For Gloster Meteor Jet Fighter. The Gloster Meteor fought V-1 and V-2 rockets, and also served on the other side of the channel looking for Me 262s and Me 163s. The Meteor jet fighter shot down 13 V1/V2 Rockets (Unsure about V2 Rockets) in August 1944 before the pilots of No. 616 Sqdn. receive Meteor Mk. III in January 1945.
Technical problems and changing requirements led to production delays. The handsome Tigercat arrived too late to see combat in World War II, despite having made its first flight in November 1943. It was the first Navy fighter to have tricycle landing gear and was powered by two Pratt & Whitney R-2800 engines. The last of 364 Tigercats was delivered in November 1946.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f7f.htm
For more other aircraft information, check out here:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/past.htm
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Right Holden, they used to see how long they could stay up. Trying for days-weeks at a time. Mechanical problems plagued most if not all of the attempts. They had it, but it wasn't used in WW2.
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Originally posted by Rafe35
Again.
The Grumman F7F Tigercat and F8F Bearcat is still "Post War" fighters that never saw any action in World War II and yes they both did deployed in early years before 1945, but doesn't mean that they saw action in WWII.
For Gloster Meteor Jet Fighter. The Gloster Meteor fought V-1 and V-2 rockets, and also served on the other side of the channel looking for Me 262s and Me 163s. The Meteor jet fighter shot down 13 V1/V2 Rockets (Unsure about V2 Rockets) in August 1944 before the pilots of No. 616 Sqdn. receive Meteor Mk. III in January 1945.
Technical problems and changing requirements led to production delays. The handsome Tigercat arrived too late to see combat in World War II, despite having made its first flight in November 1943. It was the first Navy fighter to have tricycle landing gear and was powered by two Pratt & Whitney R-2800 engines. The last of 364 Tigercats was delivered in November 1946.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/f7f.htm
For more other aircraft information, check out here:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/aircraft/past.htm
The F7F is NOT a "post war" fighter. It was actually delivered to the fleet in april of 1944. As you stated the meteor was used extensively in an operational role. Technically even the P-80 was operational in Italy before the wars end. Eventually all the spin requirements for the F7F were waived...had the plane been needed it would have been in large scale combat use by 9/44. This was neither a "late war" fighter (dev begun in 1942) or a "prototype only" bird. It'a a true 1944 fighter that was "held back" simply because the perceived issues on flight handling created enough doubt to sidetrack combat deployment. Technically it's not even a "latewar" bird. This arbitrary "saw combat" arguement is bogus....its a flight sim not a recreation. Should it be avaivlable in scenario's...of course not (unless what if)...but as part of the planeset...sure. Same with the Meteor...or any other plane that was operationally deployed as of 12/31/44 in Europe and 3/45 in Pac (random dates that would allow a combat squad to be operational before the end of the war).
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If it didnt shoot something down it shouldnt be part of AH, barring the creation of a hypothetical post-'45 arena. (exception for unarmed aircraft that did play a serious role like the c47)
Unlike the P-80, F7F, and F8F, the Meteor DID shoot down V-1's.
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Originally posted by Innominate
If it didnt shoot something down it shouldnt be part of AH, barring the creation of a hypothetical post-'45 arena. (exception for unarmed aircraft that did play a serious role like the c47)
Unlike the P-80, F7F, and F8F, the Meteor DID shoot down V-1's.
I agree, that what I was going say.
That's include:
Bell P-59 Aircomet
Goodyear F2G-1 & -2 Super Corsair
Hawker Sea Fury
North American P-82 Twin Mustang (Later F-82)
North American P-86 Sabre (Later F-86)
Other "Uber" aircraft that have deployed before, but no mission.