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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: 1K3 on June 13, 2005, 02:11:14 PM
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pick one and have your reasons/ technical evidences ready with you
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Still have a 93 Civic VX with 250,000 miles on the same engine - very hard to destroy that engine. A 2001 civic with 60,000 that I sold last year b/c of moving.
Now have an 2004 Acura TSX 4 banger with VTEC - same basic engine with a wider bore.
So 3 cars, same engine - they don't break. Nuff said.
Wolf
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How do you break an engine anyway? Can't do it with regular driving can you?
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Originally posted by Nilsen
How do you break an engine anyway? Can't do it with regular driving can you?
if you are female, yes.
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Originally posted by Furball
if you are female, yes.
Didn't think that far.. good point.
Or perhaps old retired people driving around in first gear (kinda like Schumi)
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Originally posted by Wolfala
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Now have an 2004 Acura TSX 4 banger with VTEC - same basic engine with a wider bore.
Wolf
TSX
Honda/Acura lovers' wet dream (for a practical, lightweight, and bulletproof engine sports sedan)
lol 5-7 years from now... Teens (looking for 1st car/practical car that can be upgraded ASIAN style :)) will start hunting for that car... like what they did to Acura Integra.
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none of them VW makes thhe best engines.
;)
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Originally posted by BUG_EAF322
none of them VW makes thhe best engines.
;)
huh...
but here in america... they break!:D even when you drive it out of the dealer!
(do you guys get made-in-mexico VWs?)
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Their engine lines don't really overlap. Honda makes the best 4 cyl engines below ~2.5 liters and BMW makes the best 6+ cyl engines over 2.5 liters. They both make 6 cyl engines around 3.0 liters which are comparable.
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So far as breaking cars, my mom is a professional. Had 3 VW bus's, 2 Ford Windstars, a Mitsubushi Montero and now working on a VW Passat. She literally, will destroy a car in under 60,000 miles.
I asked my CO if we could just give her **** to test out b/c we'll know rather quickly whether or not it is MILSPEC or not. I think our entire equipment testing regimine should be based on giving them to women, and IF they survive, then give the MILSPEC pimping of approval.
But otherwise yes, love the TSX - no problems other then a warrenty replacement of a wireharnass and window rocker switch. The Navigation option is generations ahead of what I-drive could ever hope to evolve into - I drove with it all the way across the US to my new home in cali with not a single map. Moving to a new area was indespensable, but importantly was intuitive and useful - I've been drivingin the 7 series BMW my parents just got for the last 2 days before flying over to Moscow tomorrow, and the I-drive totally kills the package b/c it is just plain retarded - aside from it being a kickass ride overall.
So to answer yr question - both companies are extremely high quality. It just depends on how much you want to spend - IMO though, the Honda line gives you better value - i.e. stuff comes standard in the TSX that you need to pay an extra 6-8,000 USD in the 3 series BMW to get - and even then falls short in many areas (i.e. Navigation).
Wolf
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Originally posted by Furball
if you are female, yes.
Bingo... my wife uses a binary throttle.
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I've seen a few dead engines killed during "normal" driving by competent drivers. My Mom is a skilled and competent driver by any standard (she's attended autox and road course competition driving courses and actually had fun) and her Chevy V6 (celebrity 2.8L if I recall correctly) blew a head gasket for no good reason. My Dad managed to toss a piston out of the side of a Ford 255 V8, and although the car was geared for 55 (3 speed auto, thank you very much Pres Carter) and he usually drove it around at 80, I'm not sure steady-state freeway driving like that in an otherwise healthy vehicle would constitute "abuse" either. Neither engine made it to 100,000 miles before rebuild/replacement.
My firebird LS-1 on the other hand, has exceeded 100,000 miles and doesn't burn a drop of oil even though I raced it for about 4 autox seasons and for the last year have "abused" it by running the crappiest gas sold in the UK through it. There isn't a nastier brand of gas sold in a western country than the tax subsidized crap sold on US military bases in the UK, but even drinking that stuff my car seems to run reasonably well.
Having seen friends lose BMW engines and knowing that the BMW engines don't run too well on the subsidized gas I use (almost invariably sets the check-engine light in BMWs) while the Hondas run it just fine, my vote would go to the Honda engine. But that's only based on listening to friends gripe since I don't own either.
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That makes perfect sense. BMWs generally require a higher test fuel. Compression on my 1.9 4-banger is like 10:1. It requies 89 min Octane or the valves start to get angry.
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what makes a "vtec" engine better then a normal engine, i never knew what Vtec means, can someone shed light on this?
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BMW! because i know what it means "Bayerische Motoren Werke" ;)
HONDA? dunno.
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Originally posted by Flyboy
what makes a "vtec" engine better then a normal engine, i never knew what Vtec means, can someone shed light on this?
http://auto.howstuffworks.com/question229.htm
Normally to get a lot of power from a small engine you have to tune the cams for high RPM operation. VTEC let Honda do this without sacrificing low and mid range power.
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Originally posted by Gh0stFT
BMW! because i know what it means "Bayerische Motoren Werke" ;)
HONDA? dunno.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soichiro_Honda
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Yamaha makes the best engine in their V-Max(V-Boost)
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"Compression on my 1.9 4-banger is like 10:1. It requies 89 min Octane or the valves start to get angry."
Poor design :P
The LT1 in my Buick runs at 10.5:1 and runs fine on 87.
The Japanese build great 4-bangers and the Euros make some nice 6's, but nobody builds a V-8 as well as the Yanks.
J_A_B
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Originally posted by Sandman
binary throttle.
I hate that kind of driving. :(
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The M54 is the most reliable BMW engine ever built. Here's why:
The camshaft chain drive and the V-belt drive are maintenance-free and designed for the life of the engine.
Valve clearances are kept consistent throughout the entire running life of the engine by a self-adjusting hydraulic valve clearance mechanism. There is no need to adjust valve clearances, ever.
There is no need to reset the clutch since it is self-adjusting.
The air filters and spark plugs only have to be replaced after 100,000 km or 62,000 miles.
The oil in the transmission and final drive is a lifetime filling not requiring any replacement.
The engine is able to adjust automatically to all fuel grades between 87 and 98 octane.
Anti-knock control automatically adjusts the engine's running conditions to the respective fuel grade and quality.
Copied and pasted (what did you expect?):)
FWIW: It was the M50 that sold me on BMW, after driving a 1992 5 series with 180,000 miles on it. The M54 just improved on the M50 and M52.
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Rip,
Those are the same specs that GM uses on their high-end motors :)
The LS1 is supposed to go 100,000 miles with no maintenance other than oil changes. Other than 2 unnecessary spark plug changes, I've done nothing to my engine other than oil changes and 4 racing seasons and it's still running. I'm even on the original brakes and clutch after 102,000 miles.
Less than fully competent drivers are often to blame for reliability "problems". Most F-body drivers are kids with no real driving training, so they abuse the parts to the point where they fail before the expected lifespan. I've driven my car hard but smart, and it's lasted longer than GM expected, and way beyond any industry standard. To contrast, my wife was taught to keep her foot on the clutch pedal at all times so she burned out 2 clutches before I realized what she was doing and gave her a little instruction. How many cars get a bad rep due to incompetent drivers?
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Originally posted by Ze Günterman!
http://www.ukintpress.com/engineoftheyear/categories04.html :)
I wish we could get the BMW Diesel 3-litre Twin-Turbo (535d) here in the states. :(
Rgr that eagl, the LS1 is a fine, fine engine!
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is LS-1 only installed in corvette engines?
is F-body refered to the late Camaros and Firebirds?
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LS-1 was in corvettes from '97 to around 2004. LS-1 was in F-body (Camaro and firebird / trans-am) from 1998 to 2004.
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Originally posted by eagl
LS-1 was in corvettes from '97 to around 2004. LS-1 was in F-body (Camaro and firebird / trans-am) from 1998 to 2004.
What do you think of the new LS7?
500 horsepower (373 kw) at 6200 rpm
475 lb.-ft. of torque (657 Nm) at 4800 rpm
Gimme gimme gimme (A lotto ticket!)
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The LS7 is cool... More displacement = more power. It's a bit closer to the edge for easy performance increases however, so getting more power out of that motor will cost more than an equivalent increase from an LS-1.
Still, there is a lot to be said for starting from 500 hp instead of 340 hp. The motor is damn near bulletproof so you can expect that a stock LS7 would run 100,000 miles without significant issues if it's not abused.
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W12 0ver 600hps
it is a 12 banger
(http://www.big.or.jp/~kaz/bus/etc/img/ms/w12-02.jpg)
my VW 1800cc 4 banger hits 272000 km now it still drives good
I dont know about mexican VW but i think they should have the same quality sytem as in germany
VW is coming and they getting better
(http://www.wallpaper.net.au/wallpaper/automotive/Volkswagen%20W12%20-%201024x768.jpg)
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All I want is a decent straight six. ;)