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General Forums => Aces High General Discussion => Topic started by: SkyRock on June 14, 2005, 02:59:17 AM
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If you were confronted with a 1 vs 3 and the three planes were a 109, spit, and la7, what plane would prefer to be in for fighting them?
spit co-alt, la7 1.5 back and 109 hovering 2K above
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Tempest.
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Tempest.
-- Todd/Leviathn
LOL. Go figure.:D
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110g2 25% fuel 4x20mm 2x30mm
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110
or ta152
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Any plane you feel comfortable in.
Seriously its you that make the difference not the plane.
What is important is how you deal with the situation and not in what plane you deal with the situaiton.
A god thing to do is to try and separate the targets to see if all of them really are interested in you. Given their spread in alt and the difference in plane type you can be sure of one thing, they arnt winging.
Most often I find that the LaLa will loose interest if you extend through climbing and the 109 will loose interest if you just extend away from it. The spit is likely to be interested all the time. But the spit you can extend from as well if you are in a faster plane. If not you will be able to retain the distance and reverse on him.
Anyways separate them and then deal with the highest target first. Get co-alt with highest target.
While I said its about the pilot... Id prefere a Ki84 in this situation...
Tex
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P-38J. The immediate threat would be the Spitfire. Take it out in the first couple of turns and then the other two are cake if they decide to turn fight. If they run...err I mean extend then just level out and regain your E. Soon they'll give up and look for easier prey.
ack-ack
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most likly take the spit out 1st ... depends on which 109 it is for what to take out 2nd .... the lala better get him on his bnz pass or he'll just run away .
if its lev's Tempy up high ask him to call off his hoard mongers .. :p (pesky dweebs wrecked a good fight ... i was gonna smoke ur tempy)
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The spit can but doesnt have to be the biggest threat. If its close within 2.0k and your facing each other then yeah ofcourse. But if not facing each other or at 2.5k+ range I would deem the 109 the bigger threat in the initial situation.
Tex
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I would prefer to be in a Spit V.
The Spit would be the first to go and then the next one would depend upon which one has some ballz.
I would imagine that once the Spit is gone and there is no opportunity for the LaLa and 109 to try and pick you while fighting someone else ... they would probably just bug out and look for another pick.
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Spit or Ki84. Take the Spit out fast, then work for a shot on the two BnZers.
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Tempest or spitV. Temp can turn good accelerate great, climb great, and has awesome guns. SpitV just a real good all-around plane. I was thinking maybe pony or f6f, but I would want something with cannons on it because you'd have to land your snap shots in order for this to work out in your favor.
Also depends on who is flying the other birds =)
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-1 hog....
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KI84.
I would not go after anyone first. I would wait for them to come in and go after the one that made the mistake. Cuse if they don't make one, there is no reason you should expect to survive.
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Originally posted by dedalos
KI84.
I would not go after anyone first. I would wait for them to come in and go after the one that made the mistake. Cuse if they don't make one, there is no reason you should expect to survive.
Could've sworn you would say "P40." =)
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Originally posted by Ack-Ack
P-38J. The immediate threat would be the Spitfire. Take it out in the first couple of turns and then the other two are cake if they decide to turn fight. If they run...err I mean extend then just level out and regain your E. Soon they'll give up and look for easier prey.
ack-ack
My biggest concern might be the LA7 if he's gaining at any real rate.
A lot left out of the scenario. Is the Spit merging head on co-alt?
Relative speeds and rates of closure for the Spit and the LA? Altitude? Speed?
I like the P-38 for this because its a jack of all trades. But it is a huge target to have three shooting at. On the other hand, since I'd need to take each one out fast, if I'm going to start with speed, I'd think maybe C Hog, for quick kills on snap shots.
I'd assume the Spit and the 109 might turn fight. Once you get very slow, the LA is going to try real hard to pick. If the 109 is a G10 and he's above with speed as well, it's going to get ugly.
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Originally posted by Howitzer
I would want something with cannons on it because you'd have to land your snap shots in order for this to work out in your favor.
Agreed, pinging them up is not an option, they HAVE to pop if you can get a shot. Canopy shots or wing root shots. Bad for me, my gunnery has gotten a lot worse lately. I'm sure I'd take way too long on target to survive.
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slow zeke - with full flaps :) or a d3a
La7 overshoots - mix it up with the spit - watch the 109 auger.
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Originally posted by Howitzer
Could've sworn you would say "P40." =)
I would, but not against a spit. I think at this point is all in my head. I see red and I think, cool, another kill is comming. If te red is a spit, I begin planing the excuses for getting killed, :lol
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F4U4:)
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I would be in the 190 D9 heading towards the deck in the direction of a friendly base all the while on the squad channel yelling for help. Buts that's just me. :D
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262
nuf said.
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Kill the LaLa!!
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the spit is co alt co E head on merge lala closing fast co alt 6 clock and 109e is starting a bnz pass from above I saw this same thing 3 times yesterday. probably cause I was trying HO mnerges with all spits I saw. and normally there was a lala and 109 around.
right now I would be comfortable in a spitV because of dodging and reversal capabilities.
By the way I forgot to mention the fourth plane.. Tempest at 3K diving straight down for the cherry. Can anyone guess who's flying it?
:)
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EEEWWW.
So we're on the deck. That IS ugly. If alone, the only choice is to try to force the overshoot and avoid the HO pass, then force the overshoot on the BnZ. I'll still take the same planes, probably a bad choice, but its what I fly.
Oh, Todd is in the Tempest. Send my widow the cookie.
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Originally posted by Waffle BAS
slow zeke - with full flaps :) or a d3a
La7 overshoots - mix it up with the spit - watch the 109 auger.
Hehe, was about to post something similar.... but done in a Hurri 2c.
Slow is hard to hit for the BnZ. Spit is dead meat (depending on the driver of course!!).
And last but not least, Hurri is a tough bird, she can take a beating or two...
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Originally posted by SkyRock
If you were confronted with a 1 vs 3 and the three planes were a 109, spit, and la7, what plane would prefer to be in for fighting them?
spit co-alt, la7 1.5 back and 109 hovering 2K above
Depends on what I'm in. P51d F4u1 F4u1d F4u4 p38 p47 N1k2 are what I normally fly and each one depends on the response. I normally go for the biggest threat wich in my case is Either the fastest plane or the one holding the most E. If I think it's gunna devolve into a turn fight I'de go for the Spit. then again 9 times out of 10 I either end up dead or running home with a porked bird.
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Originally posted by BBQ_Bob
I would be in the 190 D9 heading towards the deck in the direction of a friendly base all the while on the squad channel yelling for help. Buts that's just me. :D
Best reply here:D
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F16
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Originally posted by BBQ_Bob
I would be in the 190 D9 heading towards the deck in the direction of a friendly base all the while on the squad channel yelling for help. Buts that's just me. :D
the truth be told!
I'm with ya on that!
:aok :aok
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ME163 DUHHH lol!!!
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Originally posted by pellik
F16
Quit being modest. You'd kill them all in a P-38G, the last one while you were on one engine.
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A6M5. With throttle control and a rudder workout, you could dodge every BnZ attack and just take shots of opportunity as someone passes in front of your nose over and over again. Once you do enough cumulative damage, they start falling out of the sky one by one. Eventually either the lala or the 109 runs for home or help.
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Originally posted by BBQ_Bob
I would be in the 190 D9 heading towards the deck in the direction of a friendly base all the while on the squad channel yelling for help. Buts that's just me. :D
Wouldn't the LaLa and the 109(G10) catch you? Especially if the 109 is in a BnZ position. It's not so much the planes for me. If you're fighting 3 good pilots it won't matter. But if I had to pick one to try to survive in and try to take a few with me I'd go with a spitV
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Hurricane IIC
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Originally posted by SkyRock
By the way I forgot to mention the fourth plane.. Tempest at 3K diving straight down for the cherry. Can anyone guess who's flying it?
:)
Must be ManeTMP. :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Must be ManeTMP. :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
He's flying your plane and on your account.:D
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Must be ManeTMP. :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
or Swoop!!
hi swoop :)
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P38G. I always seem to be in that spot anyway, on the deck with 3 or more guys all shooting at me.
It's the only place to be for me :)
Dan/CorkyJr
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Originally posted by pellik
F16
:lol
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Originally posted by StarOfAfrica2
A6M5. With throttle control and a rudder workout, you could dodge every BnZ attack and just take shots of opportunity as someone passes in front of your nose over and over again. Once you do enough cumulative damage, they start falling out of the sky one by one. Eventually either the lala or the 109 runs for home or help.
yep A6M5b is my second choice! :D
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Must be ManeTMP. :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
lamo! He's the fifth plane battling you for the Cherry!
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Originally posted by SkyRock
lamo! He's the fifth plane battling you for the Cherry!
:rofl
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I disavow any knowledge of cherry picking in a Tempest. Were I to fly a Tempest, which I never do, I would push the plane to its limits and only engage in turnfights with Zekes and Spit Vs on the deck at very slow speeds.
How dare you attempt to tarnish my reputation, SkyRock!
-- Todd/Leviathn
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Hmm. If it was me, I'd be in a f4u-1, I'd pick the la7 first. He'd extend, so the spit would get left behind, I'd get exactly 1 ping in on him, then the 109 would shoot me down.
--Peregrine.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
Must be ManeTMP. :)
-- Todd/Leviathn
Well it's safe to say that if he missed that guy, he would be one "lucky punk!"
Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
I disavow any knowledge of cherry picking in a Tempest. Were I to fly a Tempest, which I never do, I would push the plane to its limits and only engage in turnfights with Zekes and Spit Vs on the deck at very slow speeds.
How dare you attempt to tarnish my reputation, SkyRock!
-- Todd/Leviathn
Sorry but I'm willing to bet beet1e has a film of you doing just that, not more than a couple of years ago!
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Probably spit-5.
Might suprise them in a P-51 especially if the la driver suks though.
C-Hawg would be great in the right hands, but not many know how to fly the F-4U very well. It hasn't handled well for the last couple of years so it's fallen out of favor (IMHO) except for a select few purists. Even a weeb used to be able to get good results from an F-4U but not in a long time.
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Now that everyone has had a chance to be silly, I'd like to hear how you should really handle the situation.
Here it is again, I combined both posts by SkyRock about the situation:
If you were confronted with a 1 vs 3 and the three planes were a 109, spit, and la7, what plane would prefer to be in for fighting them?
spit co-alt, la7 1.5 back and 109 hovering 2K above
the spit is co alt co E head on merge lala closing fast co alt 6 clock and 109e is starting a bnz pass from above[/I]
So, what would you do? In an F4U? In a P-38? In a P-47? In a Spit IX? Or you pick the plane.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Now that everyone has had a chance to be silly, I'd like to hear how you should really handle the situation.
Here it is again, I combined both posts by SkyRock about the situation:
If you were confronted with a 1 vs 3 and the three planes were a 109, spit, and la7, what plane would prefer to be in for fighting them?
spit co-alt, la7 1.5 back and 109 hovering 2K above
the spit is co alt co E head on merge lala closing fast co alt 6 clock and 109e is starting a bnz pass from above[/I]
So, what would you do? In an F4U? In a P-38? In a P-47? In a Spit IX? Or you pick the plane.
Why would you let yourself get in that position to start with? Good SA says you should have gotten out of Dodge a lot earlier.
But all in all, I would in that position pick a Dora. Given the way I fight, I would be almost at the point of ripping a wing off because of speed. The Spit would be a non-factor since he is co-E with me; his wings are ripping off. The 109, even if he could get co-speed in a dive would be too compressed to do anything, the LA7 is 1.5K back and I would certainly be dragging them all into a slavering pack of friendlies. What pack of friendlies? The one I always fly close to of course.
All in all, given the way I normally fly, (fast), this would not be a problem. :aok
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I can only answer from the F4U perspective. Its the only one I really fly enough to know what I'd do (other than die quickly lol).
No distance is given for the co-alt spit, so I'm going to assume we are close to a merge. With an La-7 1.5 back I have to assume that if I go vertical he's going to be on me like stink on doo doo. I also know that the Spit can pull an immelman faster than me and probably have a guns solution just as I come over the top (depends on the pilot, but I try to assume on the first pass that he's better than me.......because he usually is :) ). So I'd go into a high yo yo, and at the top of the bank look to see where the spit is and where the La is. If the 109 is smart, he's staying out and watching for an opening, but I cant count on that either. At the top of the yo yo bank, drop 1 notch of flaps and use the rudders to roll the plane in a corkscrew type move that still leaves me nose down, but facing the other way and 90 degrees away from my previous yo yo direction. Kick in the WEP, point the nose at the ground, and try to get some separation.
As they come around, lala outruns the spit chasing me. Chop the throttle, drop flaps again, force an overshoot and try for a snapshot, then rudder around hard as the spit comes in. Hope at least one of them augers or hits a tree and hope I manage to avoid both. If the lala augers, I'm probably toast, but I'll try to keep forcing the spit to overshoot by scissoring on the deck and taking snapshots. If the spit augers, I can take the lala or he runs off. More than likely the timid 109 pilot will choose this moment to dive in, thinking I'm shot up, tired, and quit noticing him. He'll probably be right and I'll die. :)
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Now that everyone has had a chance to be silly, I'd like to hear how you should really handle the situation.
Here it is again, I combined both posts by SkyRock about the situation:
If you were confronted with a 1 vs 3 and the three planes were a 109, spit, and la7, what plane would prefer to be in for fighting them?
spit co-alt, la7 1.5 back and 109 hovering 2K above
the spit is co alt co E head on merge lala closing fast co alt 6 clock and 109e is starting a bnz pass from above[/I]
So, what would you do? In an F4U? In a P-38? In a P-47? In a Spit IX? Or you pick the plane.
Easy
Avoid the HO pass from the spit and keep flying straight. That will leave the spit behind. Keep going till the LA is 1K out. If the 109 has not augered yet, ignore him, reverse and kill the LA7. Go HO with the Spit (avoiding his 20mms) and continue straight till the spit is left behind. If the 109 did not auger yet, is probably losing patience. When he get 1K on your 6, reverse and kill him. Go HO with the spit one more time and extend as far as you can just to get on his nerves. By this time he hates you and is really nervus cause he is all alone. Get some speed, reverse, go HO one more time (avoiding is bullets) and extend again. While extending, enjoy the chan 200 comments. Finally, reverse and engage the spit. By this time he wont be able to think straight and you should be able to kill him :lol :lol :lol
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LOL, that sounds simple.
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
I disavow any knowledge of cherry picking in a Tempest. Were I to fly a Tempest, which I never do, I would push the plane to its limits and only engage in turnfights with Zekes and Spit Vs on the deck at very slow speeds.
How dare you attempt to tarnish my reputation, SkyRock!
-- Todd/Leviathn
LMAO! Your reputation preceded you, but luckily I had some Glade. hee hee Dweeb!
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Now that everyone has had a chance to be silly, I'd like to hear how you should really handle the situation.
So, what would you do? In an F4U? In a P-38? In a P-47? In a Spit IX? Or you pick the plane.
Me being in the ole trusty BlueV. Prolly would engage spit and try to disable him quickly in second merge at top, dodge the la7 cannons as he passes by, nose down just a bit, check for position of 109, bait him to dive in verticle attempt, after dodging cannon of 109 do tight roll on la7, pop cannons at la7 from inverted position, check 109, if all shots made their mark then I would nose down for speed while setting up reversal on 109. 109 has lost some E comes in hot misses and goes vertical, this happens three more times, 109 gets impatient and loses too much E, I tight roll him and pop canopy with lone 303 round, 109 pilot loses conciousness in dive back down on me and hits tree limb. I win.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Now that everyone has had a chance to be silly, I'd like to hear how you should really handle the situation.
Here it is again, I combined both posts by SkyRock about the situation:
If you were confronted with a 1 vs 3 and the three planes were a 109, spit, and la7, what plane would prefer to be in for fighting them?
spit co-alt, la7 1.5 back and 109 hovering 2K above
the spit is co alt co E head on merge lala closing fast co alt 6 clock and 109e is starting a bnz pass from above[/I]
So, what would you do? In an F4U? In a P-38? In a P-47? In a Spit IX? Or you pick the plane.
DIVE DIVE DIVE!!!! run home and bail out to enjoy a nice float back to the ground while they get shot down by the ack.
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Originally posted by Captain Virgil Hilts
Now that everyone has had a chance to be silly, I'd like to hear how you should really handle the situation.
Here it is again, I combined both posts by SkyRock about the situation:
If you were confronted with a 1 vs 3 and the three planes were a 109, spit, and la7, what plane would prefer to be in for fighting them?
spit co-alt, la7 1.5 back and 109 hovering 2K above
the spit is co alt co E head on merge lala closing fast co alt 6 clock and 109e is starting a bnz pass from above[/I]
So, what would you do? In an F4U? In a P-38? In a P-47? In a Spit IX? Or you pick the plane.
I already said what I'd do that situation. Go for the Spitfire first, since he'd be the biggest threat to me. Then go after the 109 and La7 if they stick around after seeing their spit buddy go down in flames.
ack-ack
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i would better think what plane to fly next sortie
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190D.
pull slight up on the "HO" merge, then 90deg roll, and rudder to put nose down.
as the spit passes (and if you did it right he will most likely miss) you manually trim nose down about 75%, and 15% right aileron.
level off, and wait until the LA is 1000k behind. by now the spit should be turned back, probably about 3k back maybe 2.5
chop throttle to zero, right full rudder, and slight bank right. you will pivot, and lose tons of E, and the LA will overshoot (again if you do it right).
as soon as the LA is missing (gotta time this right) you WEP, and go into a right barrel roll. if the 109 was an E he has zero roll rate, and turns will be severly limited because of his speed diving on you. as he pulls up you might or might not get a shot, but either way he's almost no threat.
during the barrel roll look for the deflection on the spit, and cut throttle if needed.
comming out of the barrel roll, you probably will be at flap speed or close. drop flaps and start a scissors ont he LA that is now WEPping back into the fight.
from there you shoudl not be in emminent danger of being shot, and either be able to pop the LA or extend if you miss the defelction, and start with another barrel roll chopped throttle at d1000
at least thats what i'd do
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Originally posted by Dead Man Flying
I disavow any knowledge of cherry picking in a Tempest. Were I to fly a Tempest, which I never do, I would push the plane to its limits and only engage in turnfights with Zekes and Spit Vs on the deck at very slow speeds.
How dare you attempt to tarnish my reputation, SkyRock!
-- Todd/Leviathn
Tarnish tarnish tarnish :p
Lucky u ran off to land ur pelts ... came a hunting w/ miss Dora and all i ended up doing was drive Hub bats ... oh well perhaps next time .
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P40b... watch all auger as they sweep for the easy kill