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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: GRUNHERZ on December 02, 2001, 08:39:00 PM
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I diddlying hate them and think this is a good explanation to of what I have to deal with in the Bay Area, for those who dont understand my attitude about such things on the BBS.
http://www.msnbc.com/news/666499.asp#BODY (http://www.msnbc.com/news/666499.asp#BODY)
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A trial for treason/sedition should be in his future if they hand him over.
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Those statements from the parent in that article remind me of a character in South Park, Kyle's mom I think
"He's such a good boy, such a sweet boy"
Some parents just can't come to grips with reality.
J_A_B
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We should take up a collection and buy him a plane ticket.
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Fatty, Hang, read the article again. US Special Forces captured the little fragger near Mazar-E-Sharif. He's already ours. Hopefully they'll throw him in the can with Bubba for a month before executing him for High Treason.
And I thought my parents had to get a grip. She makes a doped-up drunk look like Plato.
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Ahh, thought he was still in NA custody. Oh well, even if he backed out on the suicide revolt maybe we can arrange something for him after his trial.
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I hope they televise the execution.
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High Treason, yippie!!!
One of my favorite crimes after regicide
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This guy is in deep toejam.
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OTOH, who knows what crazy tricks the Taliban used to brainwash the poor bastard.
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Still think we should buy him a plane ticket.
Anbody got Boroda's address?
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OK, so they guy is an idiot and a traitor.
What I don't see is anything that conects hime to the political left. Where is it?
Or is that simply GRUNHERZ expressing his hatred for us?
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Karnak,
love you man, but you are not even blind, you just choose to close your eyes.
San Jose News, I'll post a scan tomorrow morning...
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is Karnak a comunist?
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No, I'm no more a Communist than you are a Facist.
I'm a Liberal.
I intensly dislike GRUNHERZ's insinuation that those of us on the left side of the political spectrum are traitors.
Right-wing fanatics have attempted to claim all things American as theirs and then label all those who disagree with them as unAmerican and unpatriotic, if not calling them outright traitors.
They ignore the proud tradition of American Liberals putting themselves in harms way for their beliefs in freedom and equality in favor of only seeing the man who wears his patriotism on his sleeve as willing to put himself in the line of fire.
Those who espouse this have done America a disservice.
Now, when we should be united, those same people are bringing up the shade of McArthyism and trying to devide us. Trying to say "Those Liberals are not real Americans!" That is a bunch of roadkill.
I would not consider the guy who shot the Sikh, because he wore a turban, in Arizona to represent Conservatives and I expect that Americans would not consider this piece of trash in the news article to represent Liberals. However, GRUNHERZ insinuates just that in the title of this thread. He goes on to claim that this is representative of the Bay Area and how much he "diddlying hates" us. If that isn't an attack I don't know what is.
I too live in the Bay Area. I have seen one protest against violence by about twenty people. One. These people weren't out there in support of the Taliban. They were out there because they wanted peace. That is their right because this is America not Afganistan. I have not heard any sympathy for the Taliban expressed here in the Bay Area, just sympathy for civilians.
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HEY, I'M NOT A FASCIST!!![/i]
I didnt think he meant liberal when he talked about political left.
I thought he meant left as in comunism.
Oh well, not like I care.
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Animal,
I know you're not a Fascist.
I wasn't implying that you are either, I was saying that like you are not a Fascist, so I am not a Communist.
I was assuming that you are a Conservative.
Many times I've seen rabid Conservatives, unlike rational Conservatives, accuse me, and anyone from the left side of American politics, of being Communists.
The two, Communism and Fascism, are the harmful extremes of Liberalism and Conservatism. There are very few Americans who would fit either category.
As for the guy in the story, he couldn't be a Communist as he was action based on his religious views. Communism and religion are not compatable.
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Communism is a economic system not a polical one.
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OTOH, who knows what crazy tricks the Taliban used to brainwash the poor bastard.
Jeepers - what's that got to do with anything? He's not a child - he knew exactly what he was doing. I hope he gets done for treason.
"When you’re young and impressionable, it’s easy to be led by charismatic people.” Oh please - 60 years ago there were millions of those. They died on battle fields or were hanged for war crimes later.
Communism and religion are not compatable.
I wouldn't be so sure if I were you...
Communism is a economic system not a polical one.
??? Blimey... That's a novel approach to it. As a guy with a C in Scientific Communism I have to tell you that you're wrong, tovarisch ;)
[ 12-03-2001: Message edited by: -lynx- ]
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Communism is a economic system not a polical one.
riiiiiight..
capitalism is an economic system. comunism is a political system wich also handles the economy by integrating it. quite miserably i may add.
Karnak - I am not a conservative. In fact, I dont very much enjoy thinking or talking about politics, but if I had to define myself, I'd say I go more to the left, same as you.
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The funny thing is that Conservative right wingers are about the same than the Taliban.. just the Taliban are consrevative right wingers with a hefty dose of religion clouding their brains too...
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no worries, the ACLU will get the little "brainwashed" hairy bastard off on a technicality, he'll write a book, make the talk show circuit and retire fat and happy back in CA. Tired of seeing his traitor arse on tv already...maybe he'll have an "accident" b4 he leaves country.
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Best punishment is hand him over to the Northern Alliance...I'm sure they will treat him with tender loving care. :D
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Karnak my definition of "leftist" does not work within the traditional USA political definition of left and right or liberal or conservative democrat or republican. John Kennedy was a liberal and a democract but he certainly was not a leftist. Ralph Nader on the other hand is slowly getting there, extremist lunatics like Noam Chomsky have pretty much arrived.
What I mean by leftist is the rabid USA hating crowd, the anti democratic anarchist types or the anti democratic communist types. Often they cloak themselves as intellectuals, but are really lazy arrogant complainers. Most hate or resent capialism because it doesnt reward their lazy "liberal arts" education in with salaries comparable to people with real jobs, which pretty much makes them marxists regardless of any other things they belive. Further most leftists ive met, and believe me Ive met plenty, deeply belive in class warfare and this thing they call "Social Justice" which is little more than glorified communism, class warfare, a spate of victimization complexes, and quite frankly a good deal of racial warfare and outright dishonest propaganda as well.
A liberal is one who may have some justified concerns about out war in Afghanistan or our legal behavior at home, a leftist is anyone who put up the follwing signs.
"AMERICA MADE THE FIRST STRIKES, NOT OSAMA BIN LADEN"
"AMERICA IS THE TERRORIST"
"WAR IS ALSO TERRORISM"
"OSAMA IS NOT A TERRORIST"
"LISTEN TO THE OTHER SIDE (taliban/osama) STOP THE BOMBING"
A leftist is more concerned by the fact that Afghanistans Taliban are poor, muslim, (something else too), and that they are kinda folksy and ragtag then they are concerned that the taliban and al qaeda killed some 4000 americans in a single day. Get it yet? The diddlying leftists hate america and they want it destroyed. They hate america, they hate real domcracy (they call most US voting population idiots since they dont vote green pary or some such nonsense), they hate freedom of thought and expression - they call this Political Correctness, frankly something I think was a fine idea but has been nurtured by leftists into a terrible monster. And so on and so on and so on.......
So yes I do diddlying hate leftists, every real American from the left to right should seriously consider hating them and be wary of them because they are bad people who are trying to take this countr away from us.
Finally leftists may be people who blantly refuse to display the US flag at a US public library on concerns of not being offensive (To whom I ask?), then post an "art" display of ceramic severed human noodlees "strung out to dry" in support of some cozy "appropriate" political cause.
[ 12-03-2001: Message edited by: GRUNHERZ ]
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hmm, just where in this thread did Grun label all leftists as traitors and say he hates all liberals?
In my reading of the initial post, it looks like Grun is saying he hates the people who are actually traitors and go to help the Taliban (I recall at least two other cases posted on the O'Club of this happening, one British and one from New York). That's just my reaction from reading it, I can't speak as to what Grun's intents were.
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What kind of parent allows their kid to travel to foregin country by himself to learn a language ?
That's what tutors are for....
I have a question for you fellows, was he a traitor before Sept 11 too ?
Or just after ?
Grun, he prabably ain't much different from you. Same extremist beliefs just in different direction.
You might want to start controling yourself...
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Abdul Hamid is an insignificant turd. This confused boy isn't worth the time and trouble of shipping him to the U.S. much less a full blown tribunal.
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"They ignore the proud tradition of American Liberals putting themselves in harms way for their beliefs in freedom and equality in favor of only seeing the man who wears his patriotism on his sleeve as willing to put himself in the line of fire."
I must have missed these guys, when I was in Vietnam.
Of all the total BS I have seen on these boards. This has to be the topper.
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bay area leftists are a special breed though.
it doesn't matter what the issues are they will be against it because their identity is based on dissent. they have a physical uniform they wear, approved facial expressions and an urge to argue about everything, etc etc - it's like a starter kit only it's ideas.
they are bored suburban guilty white girls(the guys are girls too afaiac)and they dont have a clue.
you can tell they are naive too because they are all marxists. you know what a marxist is? someone less than 1yr out of college that's what. everyone's a marxist til they realize that human greed would negate the effectiveness of a marxist society - they all have a che guevare poster somewhere because they saw it on a rage album or something....boring boring boring...anyway...
they are the kind of people that made their dolls have arguments at pretend tea parties when they were little and then made them talk it out and be friends. they got to be the mommy and say "see now i told you we could work it now share and sing...kumbaya"
they are convinced that this, a sit in with candles and hand-holding and a bake sale will fix the world and that everyone except white males is fundamentally good and oppressed and if they were in charge of the world everything would be fine.
like a black woman midget lesbian moslem president would be the best choice because they oppressed in multiple ways and therefore more noble and intelligent.
it's kinda their way of finding identity and being cool. they are just choosing one of the boring prepackaged personas that 99% of american droids buy instead of creating themsleves as a person.
this is a nation of lazy automoton consumerbots and the right is just as guilty of buying into a prexisting persona as the left, its just different. as long as you both drag your pittance down to the strip mall who cares.
you could have just as well chosen "god will show me who to use my manly gun on" v 1.03
these people just chose: "socially conscious cool person" v 1.06
they are required to protest something with a peace sign and since there isnt much to protest these days since there isnt much war so they jump when a war ike this comes along. they HOPE a cop shows up in riot gear so that they can be sprayed with tear gas and have some actual struggle in their lives.
their premade persona was created in the 60s and even though it is irrelevant for the times today, they still want the same experiences as that generation. just drive thru berkeley. you will see long hairs in vw busses with all kinds of procohcoice stickers etc - do you think thats an accident??? no its a UNIFORM a flag, a badge, a resume....its a readymade life is what it is.
they sit around with their headphones on getting teary over one of bono's peace on earth speeches etc.
it's easier to buy one of these ready made identities because you dont have to think. just match all issues that arise against your list of pre-approved views and viola! you avoid having to use reason or making tough decisions.
they are boring and predictable, the tough guys in the big trucks that "dont take no toejam<hock lugie here>"on the right are boring and predictable and the people reporting and legislating on the whole mess are boring and predictable.
perhaps an alien will wipe us out with a massive energy ray some day....now that would be entertaining ;)
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HEHE good post mrfish :)
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If your are not liberal at twenty, you do not have a heart. If you are not a concervarive at thirty, you do not have a brain.
Who said that? Churchill?
MK
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ROFL Fish!!!
Been in Bay Area for most of the last 25 years. You and Grunherz are more right than a lot of people realize. There are some tragically misinformed and confused idiots in our area.
Ask me about SF city practices for awarding construction and service contracts sometime...
[ 12-03-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]
[ 12-03-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]
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Most unique definition of leftist I've seen in awhile. Somebody buy this guy a dictionary.
TIP: When you realize you've used a word incorrectly, you're not allowed to just make up your own definition to cover your ass. :)
bowser
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hehe funked ill be sure too!
and in turn ill tell you about the 8 ballot box lids they found floating in the bay just after the last election.
or about the fact that several parties admittied....ad-mit-ted....and then provided evidence that they bribed our mayor willie brown and he still got reelected.
oh yeah and one of his mistresses is pregnant again as well - people are cheering her and sending gifts!!! hello he's married! many are gearing up for their loudest you go girl no doubt.
ya know why he's here? because he (a black man) goes to the women's center and tells the big dykey chick there that he thinks s(he) is totally right and those scum etc.
of course the rich bored, pbs contributing, hag wife from marin with the oversized glasses and bangle bracelets, (oh and a degree in philosophy or something teaches part time city college) is right there cheering too with her checkbook.
they dont care about wrong and right and they sure dont care about law and order they care about fashion and our mayor wears a snazzy purple fedora....also political fashion.
amen grun, funked,! its nice to know a few people see thru it - those people gave up imo - they stared at the abyss, got scared and ran to some premade identity like little rutabagas. face the absurdity like a man damnit. see the nothing, beeeee the nothing lol ;)
i'm certainly not aligned with the right or the left - its too convenient ya know but i do love this lawless place despite it. its an awesome town and i get to get in a lot of faces... :)
woohoo all hail babylon by the bay! wooooo!
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{edit} and oh yeah buffalo, you got trounced, pounced and renounced!
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Fish I see you understand SF politics. Someone close to me has a business that used to do work for SF, going back 20 years. Shortly after Commissar Brown was elected, he was bidding on a job. He managed to jump through all the usual hoops (compliance with various pro-minority/female/homo policies) but the new administration added a twist. He was told off the record that he had to contribute to Commissar Brown's campaign fund in order to be considered for the job. It was not a small amount. He doesn't bid work for SF city anymore. I don't even think he returns their phone calls.
[ 12-03-2001: Message edited by: funkedup ]
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Learn to swim... learn to swim ... learn to swim :D
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mrfish you are my hero :D :D :D
(dont let that go to your head!)
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Whelp; I see the Bay Area ain't changed a bit since I left 20 years ago.
Nice painting fish.. and I gotta confess; I miss it... truly. Whotta great place to party and get laid.
Next time you pass thru Lafayette, Walnut Creek and Concord.. say hi to all the little Hangtimes for me. :)
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nullThey ignore the proud tradition of American Liberals putting themselves in harms way for their beliefs in freedom and equality in favor of only seeing the man who wears his patriotism on his sleeve as willing to put himself in the line of fire
Golly-geen Karnak thats some funny toejam, keep it up buddy!!!! :)
I guess the little turds at my school who say Osama and the Talibs are actully nice fellas (equality, right?) and that the USA is evil or wrong in defending herself (no more moral relativism!) are the real Patriots and not some fools in Marine uniforms setting up shop in Afghanistan.....
Thanks for the heads up, I never noticed..... :rolleyes:
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Whatever GRUNHERZ. :rolleyes:
You not only completely missed my point but also appear to be unwilling to try to think about what I was saying. You seem very desparate to hate.
My post had nothing to do with the sorts you are talking about, if you are accurately relaying their sentiments. You are foaming at the mouth so badly right now that I am forced to take everything to say with a rather large amount of skeptisism.
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I have a question for you fellows, was he a traitor before Sept 11 too ?
Or just after ?
Actually he became a traitor when he took up arms to fight against his own country. When the US entered the war any US citizen in armed opposition to the US and it's allies automatically became a traitor.
In the UK the government announced that any UK citizen identified as a member of the Taleban forces would be prosecuted for treason if they return to the UK.
You may disagree with your country's policies and in a free and democratic society you have legal ways to express you feelings. Joining the army your country is fighting is not one of them. Simple, eh?
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Originally posted by Sandman_SBM:
Abdul Hamid is an insignificant turd. This confused boy isn't worth the time and trouble of shipping him to the U.S. much less a full blown tribunal.
Agree
They should lube a tank tread or two with his useless ass..
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Looked up the def. of Liberal......A Liberal is a Radical with 2 kids and a mortgage. :rolleyes:
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I guess the little turds at my school who say Osama and the Talibs are actully nice fellas (equality, right?) and that the USA is evil or wrong in defending herself (no more moral relativism!) are the real Patriots and not some fools in Marine uniforms setting up shop in Afghanistan.....
No, what he is saying is that it is just as patriotic to protect the rights of those turds, as it is to support those brave men and women putting themselves in harms way. It is easy to talk about protecting the freedom of speech of those in the mainstream.
It is our diversity of thought that really pisses off the Taliban and their ilk. We should relish in the fact that the TURDS and IDIOTS are protected here in America, the same as the Rightists, Leftists, Centrists and every other "ists".
<Waves the flag with left hand, and defends your right to wave it with your right>
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Karnak what I was saying is very simple.
Too many young people see the "equality" thing as far far far more than it should be. They want to, and do equate the Taliban and Osama to our country.
Thats what im saying, thats why I say no more moral relativsm most of the people ive met that i consioder to be leftists take that trash too far.
They belive and tell me that they are "Patriots" because they defend the Taliban and attack the USA, they say these people who are upset at WTC or even those who fight vs Taliban are not "real" Patrits but are reactionaries and racists.
Again Karnak if you are a liberal type stop being so afraid and annoyed at what im angry about, its not directed at you. It directed at extremist leftists who are trying to harm our country and who hate our country. toejam they are actually doing the most damage to the liberals and demicrats as they are trying hard as hell to radicalize that aspect of American political life.
You as an apparently dedicated liberal should be far more concerned about them than me, they are against real liberal values you seem to love, they are abslolutists and extremists with a strong aouthoritarian bent.
So once again Im sure full of hate at the leftists, 110% ful of hate at them, no doubt, but I dont see what this has to do with you as you arent a leftist, you are a liberal.
And theres a big big difference.
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Want to punish the little liberal white boy?
Make him spend the rest of his life over there, and dont let Mommy and Daddy send him any money.
Dago
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Hangtime, my adress:
Russian Federation, 125195, Moscow, Leningrad highway, 98-1-70, Pavel Yurievich Pavlov.
I have nothing to hide abut my personality - it's nessesary for maintaining my "imbecilic communist hacker-cyberterrorist" image ;)
Hope I'll not recieve a letter with white powder ;)
The only thing I can offer that poor guy is a good conversation with my friend who is my guest when he's in Moscow - a former Marine (naval infantry), wounded in one "local conflict" in late-80s. And another friend, paratrooper, who was "behind the river" in 85-87 and came back with a "Combat Merit" medal... An maybe some other not-so-close friends who were in Afghan and Tajikistan in 1980-1997.
Such "volunteers" must know that mercenaries are military criminals and can't be considered "combatants". Usually they are executed immediately. That public was desperate to fight to death in Kunduz while local Talibs surrendered.
As for him being "left"/"right", "conservative"/"liberal" - it really dosn't matter. He's an amazinhunk.
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Well; Damn, Boroda, thanks for the address. I'll send yah a Christmas Card. Without any unpleasant surprises.
As for him being "left"/"right", "conservative"/"liberal" - it really dosn't matter. He's an amazinhunk.
At last, we find SOMETHING to agree on!
<S!>
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slowly torture him fo no reason this well torture him some more and more and more, then maybe do him a service and send him to hell, 1st Class Priority Mail.
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Timothy McVey was a decorated Gulf War Veteran and was executed for his actions; which he felt was Social Justice.
Rightly so.
Abdul Hamid took up arms at Konduz against his country's cause, in the name of Social Justice.
Will Justice be served?
Hope so.
blutic
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Turn the kid into a unic........without using anesthetics. Or use the "cogwheel" torture method on him.
-Chris-
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Originally posted by Boroda:
As for him being "left"/"right", "conservative"/"liberal" - it really dosn't matter. He's an amazinhunk.
Boroda,
Please do not defame amazinhunks by giving him that name. amazinhunks serve a useful function. This guy is a hemorhoid. A hemorhoid has no useful function and is a pain in the ass.
(http://www.13thtas.com/mav13sig.jpg)
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LOL, Folks lets take a breather from ranting and analyze the Taliban for a moment:
First off they’re kinda cool with the long beards and all, lookin’ like ZZ Top. They have a fetish for pickup trucks and weaponry. They have hardcore fundamentalist beliefs. They bash women and the weak and have absolutely no regard for human life.
They’re like a good fifty percent of all Americans!
They’re right-wingers!
Embrace them as brothers!
:)
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Let the NA deal with him first. I believe they have expressed an interest in suitably rewarding the "foreigners" who fought for the Taliban.
Then just ignore him. As Dago said, worst punishment is to let him live his "dream".
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rotlfmao Blur :)
the finest post of this thread imo :)
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Now if you can be kind enought to send me 2 francs so I can get another coffee ... as I spited the current on my screen ... :D
<edit> voice of the village people : Typo typo man ...
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And thats why blur is a person id call a "leftist".
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GH, ever heard about such thing called "sence of humor"?
That was a good joke, and every joke usually has a proportion of joke in it ;)
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Yep Boroda I know of humor :), but he wasnt joking and we all know that.
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S!
Let`s see if this kid fits the definition of Liberal:
1) He believes devoutly in an omnipresent God.
2) He subscribes to beliefs which say that women should be kept barefoot and pregnant in the kitchen.
3) He believes everyone should be able to own a gun and be able shoot those who contravene their religious beliefs.
4) He is believes sex is inherently bad and should only be indulged in for procreative purposes.
Hmmm..... looking at that list I would have to say that he`s....
A RIGHT WING LOONY TUNE FUNDAMENTALIST! :D
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Well! The liberals are singing the same old song. The same one they sung for Hanoi jane. "War was not declared. It it cant be treason."
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Two points of view from a sorta outsider:
1st: compare him to the "stop the bombing crowd at home". He put himself on the frontline. He may be F**ked up, but at least hes got some nads.
2nd: pity we can't get more of the "stop the bombing" crowd over there like him. (think about it)
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Yeah, Vulcan, good idea.
Maybe we could get them all to hold a "stop the bombing" rally at the approach end of one of the runways at Kandahar airport...pretty sure we have published GPS coordinates for those. :D
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And what would happen if we were all punished for the stupid things we did when we were young and impressionable?
Caught stealing at 17? Well obviously your a hardened criminal already, off with your hand in into jail boy.
Does this attitude make me a leftist marxist commo pinko labour radical hippy fediddleer? I dont know, my head hurts and i need an asprin.
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Do you honestly compare this to shoplifiting in your head?
If you do, it might not make you a leftist but it sure makes you an idiot.
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Since this isn't a declared war the individual can't be tried for treason!Does he deserve to be tried you bet, but let the system work, vigilante politics isn't going to solve anything. As to left or right political points of view seems if either were what they say they are the country wouldn't be in the position it's in, go back to the 1933 congressional record and if your patient sift your way through that and you'll see why we have been in Kuwait, Afganistan etc. America is in receivership to the International banking community and there in is the driving force behind all of this, this dood just managed through youth and maybe a little religious wnadering to get himself mixed up in a real world wide mess, but let the system test his case as you would hope the system will test yours if you should ever find yourself on that side of it!
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Do the subtelties of an analogy eldude you, Grunherz? Perhaps I should state it in another way. I really dont care about your rabid interest in politics but I do think it is a bit harsh to condemn a young man for making a stupid decision.
Sure, if he's really trained up to be a terrorist and he truely intends to commit terrorist acts then thats different. Maybe he doesnt, how do you know what his intentions are or what he was hoping to acheive by joining the taliban.
Anyway, the point I was trying to make was not to comdemn someone without thinking the situation through first. There was no reason to call me an idiot.
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First of all it doesnt have to be a "declared war" to try somebody op on treason, all it takes is fighting against Americans. If that wont stick there is always sedition, or just letting him loose in the middle of any US city,(except The Peoples Republic of Berkely) , especially New York.
Gavor, Im sorry to be offending you but strike me as quite naive and uninformed.
And your analogy is uttely inappropriate, no matter how you try to justify it.
Yes why would he join the Taliban??? Good question.
Geee I think it was it help educate Afghan women, no I dont think it was it.
Maybe he wanted to spread goodwill about islam to the people in afghanistan, uhhmm no thats not likely Taliban has religious police that kill people if they dont pray....
So why did he join the taliban, then...
Well he has addmited to fighting alongside other Islamic terrorists in the Kashmir region of India.
So we know hes allready militarly invaded other countries.
He admitted to being trained to fight and kill in Al Qeada camps, where saw Bin Laden many times. Again his own words.
He said he supported the Sept 11 attacks, he said they were a "good thing".
He was in Konduz along with other Al Qaede extermists who shot the Afghan Taliban if they tried to surrender.
His words, Gavor.
Now you wanna cover him by the fact that hes "only" 17 years old. Well first of all he is 20 years old and not 17. He only joined Taliban in the past year, so he made the decision as an adult. He is accountable.
By your standard does it mean you can do anything before a certain age and not be "condemned", when is one to be held accountable 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 30. When?
Look, I hate the little diddlyer beyond belief and I honestly think he should be shot right now. I understand that others might not have my feelings to the same extent. If you are like that just read the things he freely addmited to reporters on camera.
He is a bad person who made bad decisions and he must be held accountable for his acts.
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You liberals make it sound like this guy is 4 years old. He was old enough to vote 2 years ago.
If all he did was wondered off to explore some exotic religion. I would agree with you. But when a man picks up a gun, everything changes. There are consequences. I was a teenager when I went to war. Most of the people around me were late teen, early twenties. The "just a dumb kid" routine just wont wash.
Sorry grun. posted the same time you did
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[ 12-07-2001: Message edited by: easymo ]
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Origingally posted by GRUNHERZ:
Again Karnak if you are a liberal type stop being so afraid and annoyed at what im angry about, its not directed at you. It directed at extremist leftists who are trying to harm our country and who hate our country. toejam they are actually doing the most damage to the liberals and demicrats as they are trying hard as hell to radicalize that aspect of American political life.
You as an apparently dedicated liberal should be far more concerned about them than me, they are against real liberal values you seem to love, they are abslolutists and extremists with a strong aouthoritarian bent.
cc that, GRUNHERZ.
I just wish that there was a different word that you could use to describe them than "leftist". I do see where you are coming from, even if I don't really agree with what you are saying, at least not with the strength that you are saying it.
To the rest of you,
I'm Liberal, but that doesn't mean that I think this guy shouldn't be held responsible for his actions. I think that we should all be responsible for our actions, and his were piss poor. I don't see any "extenuating circumstances" here.
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Grun! Ya remember Vietnam and a little girl named Jane Fonda well bud she wasn't tried for treason (even though she caused the death of Americans and liked AAA batteries) just like this gent won't be because it wasn't a declared war just like this situation! This situation is a fight against an idea and you can't decalre a war against that, constitution is pretty clear on what Congress and the Pres can declare a war on, mark my words he may be tried but it won't be for treason now if Bush has it his way it will be a Military Tribunal then the young man is gonna have a hard hard road to hoe, and after we have all the facts ( repeat after we have all the facts we can get our hands on ) and he is or isn't found guilty then let the cards fall where they may for him. And then again if he is tried for treason then we need to re-visit the Jane Fonda thing and ask some hard questions about justice in America!
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Damn Grun must be hard on yas there what with Harve Milktoast, Diane Feinstein, and then get two lawyers in the White House one whos college papers were locked up because they were so far left it threated all the Dems? California has it good points didnt spend much time in SF though just worked there for 8 years and then moved back to the high country, but relax a bit bud if we all keep our heads up we'll get this worked out!
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Like I said if treason doesnt work out we can get him for sedition which is easier to prove and IIRC also carries a death penalty.
You see Im not at all worried about little Johnny, hes dead one way or another. Either he gets the death penalty, gets killed in prison by other inmates or gets killed on the streed by the population. Any way you cut it we get a happy positive result.
He is a bad man and he will be held accountable.
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Just so i look totally stupid I'm going to do something rare for a human being and admit I was wrong. I wrote the last two posts at work and I'll admit that I was poorly imformed, i only read the one article and I didnt read it properly. I see your point totally and while I still stand by what I said, I dont think it applies here anymore. Sorry to have forced you to write such a long reply, it's now saturday morning and i've thought it over a bit.
I dont feel quite as strongly as you do I dont hate the guy, i feel a bit sorry for him but I agree that he deserves what he gets. I guess I find it harder to hate him for treason because im not from the US. If perhaps it was an Aussie that did the same thing and lets say that he then killed some coalition soldiers, I can see that i'd be as angry as you.
Dont think that just cos im backing down now means that i dont like to argue :). I just dont like arguing pointlessly.
[ 12-07-2001: Message edited by: Gavor ]
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I would like to revisit the "fonda thing" for a moment.
I have come to consider fonda as a tribute to Vietnam era veterans. She was dispised by million of these men. They were all familiar with firearms. Many were experienced in their use against human targets. In spite of this, ms. fonda is still walking around alive. This says far more about the honor, decency, and faith in the constitution, of the Vietnam era vet, then it does about fonda herself.
Imagine how long a high profile celebrity in Iraq would last, publicly supporting the Israelis.
[ 12-08-2001: Message edited by: easymo ]
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Jeeezus, Easymo; when I traded in my fatigues for levis I made a decision to never stand in line again.
When Hanoi Jane dies and the vets come to piss on her grave; I may make an exception; but frankly, that potatos life is not worth a single vets.