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General Forums => The O' Club => Topic started by: DREDIOCK on June 19, 2005, 11:42:12 AM
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http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2005-06-16-digital-picture-problems_x.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/tech/news/2005-06-16-digital-picture-problems_x.htm)
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Yawn,
Buy a printer, get photo quality paper and do the job youself. It can be done for FAR less than $100.00.
Either that or run in circles scream and shout that the world is ending just because you didn't get your pictures printed. :rolleyes:
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Originally posted by Maverick
Yawn,
Buy a printer, get photo quality paper and do the job youself. It can be done for FAR less than $100.00.
Either that or run in circles scream and shout that the world is ending just because you didn't get your pictures printed. :rolleyes:
Typically that is what I do.
I posted the link for the interest & discussion of the board because I found it amusing that these places would do that.
If it bores you.
Simply dont respond.
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Wasn't responding to you, was responding the the tone of the article. It seemed to me that there must have been a very slow news day when that article came out. All the hype but no indication of how simple it is to not have to deal with it. Whatever you want to take it as, not my problem.
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Originally posted by Maverick
Wasn't responding to you, was responding the the tone of the article. It seemed to me that there must have been a very slow news day when that article came out. All the hype but no indication of how simple it is to not have to deal with it. Whatever you want to take it as, not my problem.
My apologies then I mistook your post
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Dang, I thought this was going to be about homegrown pron.
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hmm
i remember reading on the fredmiranda forums a while back something about this, but i thought it was more due to the fact professional photographers were trying to use walmart as a cheap way of getting their prints done easily.
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Exact opposite. That would be a 'poor professional photographers' story, while this is a 'blood-thirsty professional photographers suing the bejeesus out of everybody' story.
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What? Is Wal-Mart somehow liable if someone reproduces a copyrighted print in their store?
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Apparently their LawyerDroids think they might be. Perhaps they should follow Kinko's example.
Prominently post a notice saying Blah blah violate copyright blah only make prints from pics you own blah blah blah.
That way, the potential violation is the responsibility of the person doing it, and the rest of us can continue to take pictures without the lens cap on.
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Oddly enough, their lawyerdroids don't seem overly concerned if someone buys a gun at Wal-Mart and kills somebody.
Hmmmm...
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To play an advocate of the devil, selling the gun is not illegal, though it could be argued that the process of printing the image could be. Consequently, I'm not sure your argument is really applicable.
That said, posting a notice that the customer is responsible for determining copyright ownership seems pretty reasonable.
I'm not sure that Wal-Mart is interested in investing the money it would take to train a minimum wage clerk to be able to professionally determine the artistic merit of a shot.
If it ain't watermarked, it should be free game according to the clerk.
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Yeah... it's probably not a good argument. I admit.
Still, Wal-Mart seems to turn nanny when it comes to explicit lyrics in music, but they don't seem to mind selling "R" rated or unrated movies.
At best, Wal-Mart is inconsistent. The copyrighted image worry is just one more example.
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WalMart is hardly being inconsistent. I argue that they're enforcing an unstated policy to appeal to their mainly conservative customer base.
Censoring rap music because of sinful 'sexy lyrics' while having the Rambo Six Pack DVD special next to the the Americo "Instant Nativity Scene" (made in China) seems pretty consistent if you look at their actions with that in mind.
Just an opinion that seems to match the evidence... but I'm just this guy, you know?
Apologies, this seems to be headed for a threadjack, not my intention. Basically, their decision to be wacky about the photo printing does NOT fit their past behavior. Usually, they duke it out when they think they're in the right. Maybe this hasn't noticably touched their bottom line yet.
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Originally posted by Sandman
Oddly enough, their lawyerdroids don't seem overly concerned if someone buys a gun at Wal-Mart and kills somebody.
Hmmmm...
so, basically no one should be allowed to buy guns at Walmart, right?
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Originally posted by Bodhi
so, basically no one should be allowed to buy guns at Walmart, right?
Just let it go, Bodhi. ;)
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Originally posted by Chairboy
Apologies, this seems to be headed for a threadjack, not my intention. Basically, their decision to be wacky about the photo printing does NOT fit their past behavior. Usually, they duke it out when they think they're in the right. Maybe this hasn't noticably touched their bottom line yet.
I dunno, I've always considered Wal-Mart to be a bit wacky... but that's proabably just me. :)
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I was heard one of our vendors today talking about how Sam's Club is kissing their employee's arse. Seems they are trying to avoid a lawsuit over management practices.
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Originally posted by Bodhi
so, basically no one should be allowed to buy guns at Walmart, right?
Well no... I bought my first Mossberg at a Walmarts 25 years ago. Still have it and I buy my Hunting/Fiching Lic there also. WWII Airplane models are slim pickins at the most...But I can never give up the craze of grabbin a Friesbie when no one looks and sail it off destination unknown...heehee it's the kid in me. So if someday you're in a WalMart and a Friebee sails past yer head...IT WASN'T ME!!!!
Love,
mac
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Originally posted by AWMac
Well no... I bought my first Mossberg at a Walmarts 25 years ago. Still have it and I buy my Hunting/Fiching Lic there also.
Love,
mac
Was recently disgusted at having to buy myself and my sons fishing licence at Wallmart.
We had this great little mom & pop owned hunting & bait shop that I'd gone to since I was a little kid.
the kinda place where you could hang out for an hour and swap stories with people that knew you by your first name and you knew theirs.
Unfortunately they couldnt compete with Wallmart and they had to close shop after being there for almost 50 years.
Now I was forced to deal with some guy from god knows where after standing in line for almost a half hour while he only let people one by one fill out the forms.(there were like 10 people in line all waiting for the same thing)
When he finally got to us he wasnt going to issue my son one cause he didnt have any ID other then his School ID.
Im like "he's only 16 what kind of ID you think a 16 year old is gonna carry? and Im his father. how much more can he be ID'ed??"
He said "Im sorry I cant do it without more ID"
I said "No, your an idiot, 16 year olds dont have much more in the way of IDs"
So he gets all upset over my telling him hes an idiot and calls the manager who comes over and after hearing what it was about basically also called him and idiot and told him to issue the licence"
Wouldnt have been so obad but the guy was acting like a real hardarse like some fo those security guard jokers you see who think their something and guarding some sort of national treasure
I miss that little store and Im getting increasingly dsgusted with all these mega stores with their generic non personalities.
Im reaching the point where I'd rather spend more and get things from a mom & pop shop then have to deal with these mega stores.
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Originally posted by DREDIOCK
Im reaching the point where I'd rather spend more and get things from a mom & pop shop then have to deal with these mega stores.
I'm already there.
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"They really don't have anything etched in stone," said Morgan, who lives in Plant City, Fla. "The person that works in the photography section of Wal-Mart could take a break, someone from the underwear department could take their place, and they could decide to print the picture."
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I agree with chair..
There is nothing inconsistent in what Wal mart is doing in this case.. the guns comparison is beyon ludicruous.. that is like saying that if you buy oil there and are killed in a car wreck it's there fault...
More appropriate is if they made guns there and you asked em to make a copy of a Colt anaconda say.. or... If they copied peoples movie home videos and you snuck in a copy of Star wars say.
As for "mom and pop" stores.. they are not really the next best thiongs to living sainthood.. they charge way over a fair price for anything they have and they generally are surly and "take it or leave it" if they are the only store around... they allso allmost allways treat their employees worse than the big chains do.
but... shop where you want.. the tax base for all stores benifiets the city you are buying in.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
As for "mom and pop" stores.. they are not really the next best thiongs to living sainthood.. they charge way over a fair price for anything they have and they generally are surly and "take it or leave it" if they are the only store around... they allso allmost allways treat their employees worse than the big chains do.
but... shop where you want.. the tax base for all stores benifiets the city you are buying in.
lazs
True there are some stores like that. and if I dont like the way they do buisness I dont shop there.
Yea often I pay more at a M&P store but I also tend to get better service and dont have to wait in as long lines. And to me that alone justifies the price.
One of the places I get material from has higher prices then some of the chains and even higher then some of the other M&P joints.
But I havetn found the kind of service they are willing to provide at any of the others. They will practically do backflips for their customers. If I need stuff at a specific time they make sure its ready at a specific time. If I need something delivered last minute. they do their damnest to do so.
Another example is a paint store I do buisness with. Even they will admit they are more expencive then the other stores in the area. But you cant beat their service (same as above).
and they treat everyone that way. Not just contractors.
Yet I've gone into several Sherwin Williams stores needing a gallon of paint matched and they have consistantly on almost every occasion asked me me to "come back tomorrow" to pick it up. Which never sits well with me. and a debate usually ensues with them loosing and me eventually getting what I want when I want it.
With the M&P shops I tend to get more personal treatment and a more "at home" atmosphere.
With he big chains I get generic treatment, usually from someone Who couldnt care less about what I need or how soon I need it.
And the lines are often insane, usualy not being helped by the cashier thats moving at the rate of about a half mile a year.
My time is worth more then that and I can easily do without the added aggrivation level the mega stores provide
Plus I find I simply dont like the attitude of big corperations. Even the good ones tend to forget where they came from and get to be too big for their britches. Usually made even worse once the bean counters gain some power and start selling enferiour products and often what some would consider seconds.
I learned the hard way never to buy ANYTHING mechanical from Wallmart.
It wont last. Yet you can buy the same item at any smaller store and it lasts 10 times as long. Least thats been my experiance
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I shop where I want according to my whim and my time allowed and a lot of other things. I sometimes buy at the local hardware store and other times at Lowes... I buy things at Wall mart often.
Mobil one synthetic motor oil is a buck or two a quart less at Wall mart than Napa and comes in 5 quart jugs. I buy it at wall mart.
Wall mart moving in made all the mom and pop stores around here act more like what you are talking about...
Where once they were overpriced and surly... they are now polite and reasonable.
lazs
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To the ones saying "just do it yourself at home", I don't know if it's the case at Walmart, but just printing the pics on decent paper is quite different from actually getting them printed in real photographic quality paper, which is what "digital printing" services are doing.
It involves 30K$ printers loaded with funny smelling chemicals, and the result is not different from that of a traditional developing proccess.
I had read about it, and also about some stores that made cakes with edible images printed on the topping refusing to make them anymore, afraid of copyright violations (even as short lived as copies being eaten within hours).
I also read recently about a school forbidding video recordings of some little kids' dance performance, because the tune they were dancing to was copyrighted.
Someone has to stop this lunacy, and I hope it involves IP lawyers and some extremely painful violence. :D
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Ironically this happened to my Girlfriend the other day.
A nice Photo taken of my Grandfather before he passed away, They told her they would need a copyright to print that particular photo at 8.5x11, although they printed the same photo at a smaller size with no problems :rolleyes:
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You guys talking about the lunacy of copyright violations scaring vendors. How about the king of them. How many of you hear the old birthday song being sung at a commercial location? From what I was told some hemorhoid copyrighted the tune and now can demand royalties from any commercial venture that uses it. Don't know if it is actually true but it sure explains why the tune was dropped.
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True... http://www.snopes.com/music/songs/birthday.htm
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Originally posted by Sandman
I'm already there.
Ditto!
I would rather spend more $$ than go into a walmart.
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this thread reminded me that I needed oil. I don't need help buying oil so I went to Wall Mart and picked up a 5 quart jug of mobil one for about 50% off what the mom and pop store was gonna scalp me for and...
Wall mart is paying there employees more than the Napa store pays or the Kragen.
lazs
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You are just a bad person, Lazs, and you are going to Mexico when you die. :p
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Originally posted by lazs2
I shop where I want according to my whim and my time allowed and a lot of other things. I sometimes buy at the local hardware store and other times at Lowes... I buy things at Wall mart often.
Mobil one synthetic motor oil is a buck or two a quart less at Wall mart than Napa and comes in 5 quart jugs. I buy it at wall mart.
Wall mart moving in made all the mom and pop stores around here act more like what you are talking about...
Where once they were overpriced and surly... they are now polite and reasonable.
lazs
Im not saying I dont buy things from the mega stores, and there are times when I can find something at lowes or homo depot that I either cant just get locally or would have to travel way out of my way to get them.
I even go to Wallmart and Target from time to time usually for the same reasons.
but if Its just as easy for me to go Mom & pop I'd prefer to do that.
Oil? LOL dont do my own oil changes anymore. Havent for years.
The stuff is just too hard to get rid of around here. On the very rare occasion I do need oil I'll just pick up a quart just about anyplace but a gas station.
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Originally posted by lazs2
Wall mart is paying there employees more than the Napa store pays or the Kragen.
lazs
Just curious why you would care what a company pays its employees so long as you can get what you want?
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Originally posted by Maverick
You guys talking about the lunacy of copyright violations scaring vendors. How about the king of them. How many of you hear the old birthday song being sung at a commercial location? From what I was told some hemorhoid copyrighted the tune and now can demand royalties from any commercial venture that uses it. Don't know if it is actually true but it sure explains why the tune was dropped.
See now I think that some things once they have been around for a certain length of time Like say..100 years should be public domain. And that nobody should be allowed to hold sole copyright rights on it.
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In that case you'll have to wait until 2030 for the 75 year copyright on happy birthday to expire. Have fun holding your breath.
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That copyright ain't expiring as long as Disney has lawyers and can find congressmembers to bribe.
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Originally posted by Maverick
In that case you'll have to wait until 2030 for the 75 year copyright on happy birthday to expire. Have fun holding your breath.
Really? I thought it was alot older then that.
Either way. copyrights should expire after a set time and after such time should be public domain. And non copyrightable.
Good thing they didnt have copyrights back in the cave man days.
Imagine how much the family of the guy that invented the wheel would be worth right now LOL
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dred... I don't care what they pay the employees except for the tax base and opportunity for the kids to get work. I brought that up because everyone seems to think the big stores are paying the least.
lazs
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Originally posted by lazs2
dred... I don't care what they pay the employees except for the tax base and opportunity for the kids to get work. I brought that up because everyone seems to think the big stores are paying the least.
lazs
Ahhhh gottcha
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Of interest, Walmart employees make wages that put them under the poverty line, a cunning fiscal move that saves them not only the wages, but also relieves them of any obligation they might have to provide health care (considering as how their employees now qualify for state funded medical welfare).
Good business for them, not such a great situation for the taxpayer.
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Wall mart has health insurance available.
lazs